Interesting, I'll have to scour my Loveline archives to see if I have that episode recorded...I seem to remember hearing about it too. It was discussed a lot since Adam is a HUGE fan of the show (as well as the voice of death in most of the episodes).
I agree that you don't need most of the "higher-level" Word features in high school, for the most part. But, some people might, and also, things change. Just because you didn't, or I didn't, doesn't mean nobody ever will. Schools and kids are doing more and more with computers now, it only stands to reason that they will expect more out of kids' papers/presentations. I don't think "I didn't use it, so they can't use it" is a very good philosophy. I think it is the responsibility of schools to provide for students the programs they will encounter in the real world, so they at least have a good background in the program, whether they need to use all the fancy features or not.
Just curious...is this elementary school or something? Because once you get into high school and college, people will start knowing the difference between Word and Wordpad. Word is a very powerful word processor that can do virtually anything you need it to do, whereas Wordpad is basically Notepad with buttons. Wordpad works fine if you're just typing a plain ole paper, double-spaced and indented...and can even do some more advanced stuff too...but if you try to do anything really advanced then you're pretty limited.
Bottom line, that approach is fine for elem. school and (arguably) middle school, but once you get into high school and college I think you'd be doing them a dis-service...if only because most places they want to get a job at will use Word, and thus they will need to be familiar with it or risk losing the job to someone who is.
As evidenced by the fact that Barnes & Noble's page says "This item will be available on October 28. Place your order now and we will ship the item when it arrives. Your credit card will not be charged until your order ships."
I work at my college store too, and you're 100% right. Publishers won't even sell you a textbook by itself anymore a lot of the time. They only come with CDs/DVDs/online subscription cards in a lot of cases now. A prof wants this book, and when we order it it comes with all this crap that the professor probably doesn't need but the publisher won't sell it to us without. And of course it can't be returned without all the crap.
But nobody ever bothers to find out the facts before just bashing the bookstore for gouging the students, when our base markup on textbooks is 25%. I think it should be a little less personally, but it IS a business after all, and businesses make money. However, compare this to the markup on gifts and clothing, which is more like 70%. This is where bookstores make the REAL money! All those $39.95 sweatshirts? Our cost on those is probably just over $20. So pass the blame around:-P
Wasn't the bookstore open? Couldn't you have gone in to the store and found out the books for your class? At the bookstore at my school (which I also work at sometimes) we're open all summer, and the books for fall are on the shelves the whole time. All you need to do is come in with a pad of paper.
You forgot the publishing companies, who get the most out of it. I work at my college bookstore and the standard mark-up on books is 25% (although sometimes it is more, especially if the price is pre-printed on the book - we always charge the pre-printed price if there is one). So however high you think our prices are, the publishers charged US about 25% less than that. And you can be sure they make a lot more than 25% on a book.
Not only that, but the bookstore profits go to the college, so if store profits go down, you can bet tuition or fees will go up to compensate. It's a lose-lose for the students in the end. I think students are best served buying and selling their books directly to other students, but most are too lazy, and the bookstore is very convenient. Like I said, I work for the bookstore, but for this semester I bought all but $11 of my books online. Saved about 35% overall.
Whew good thing you used scientific evidence to refute his claims. For a minute there I was afraid you were just going to mock him for only using ESPN as a source.
I can understand why they don't want most of that...but banning NetBEUI?? WTF? That's the best way to windows share over a LAN...I guess they like having gigabit ethernet but not being able to share files over it (netbios also banned). Weird.
The way I see it, the reason you see more Windows exploits is because:
a) There are more people working to find exploits in Windows. b) There are more people to affect by finding a Windows exploit.
What would be the point of distributing a worm that used a Linux exploit? Relative to Windows, Linux has basically no userbase, so you wouldn't have the "strength in numbers" to cause any widespread damage. Bottom line - if you want to wreak havoc, you need to do it on Windows, just by the numbers alone.
But it still probably needs to reboot...I think what he was getting at was having XP be able to totally patch itself at any time and not disrupt him in any way if he's working on the computer. I don't think it can do this...
I downloaded it at work in about 3 seconds this afternoon. It's only about 600K (at least for Win 2000) and at home I had it in about 20 seconds. I wasn't infected, and may have patched already anyway (note the July 16 date on the patch).
I also posted this in the Maryland article, but I figured I may as well post it here too:
I live in North Dakota, and I recently saw an article about how the move toward the Diebold voting machines in the state has been put on hold because of the recent publication regarding the lack of security, etc. I think it's good that states are taking it slow and making sure it's done right, rather than just rolling out the first thing that comes along.
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Norm was the voice of death in the first episode he appeared in, but Adam took over after that.
Interesting, I'll have to scour my Loveline archives to see if I have that episode recorded...I seem to remember hearing about it too. It was discussed a lot since Adam is a HUGE fan of the show (as well as the voice of death in most of the episodes).
OK how about those of us who use Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer? Besides calling us stupid fools.
What about those of us who haven't "upgraded" from 2000 to XP??
Because there's not a mod category for "wrong"
October 15 is the announced lock-out date for older versions of the client.
I agree that you don't need most of the "higher-level" Word features in high school, for the most part. But, some people might, and also, things change. Just because you didn't, or I didn't, doesn't mean nobody ever will. Schools and kids are doing more and more with computers now, it only stands to reason that they will expect more out of kids' papers/presentations. I don't think "I didn't use it, so they can't use it" is a very good philosophy. I think it is the responsibility of schools to provide for students the programs they will encounter in the real world, so they at least have a good background in the program, whether they need to use all the fancy features or not.
Well....at the top it says "A Verisign Company"
I don't think you can cite that as "other" people doing it.
Just curious...is this elementary school or something? Because once you get into high school and college, people will start knowing the difference between Word and Wordpad. Word is a very powerful word processor that can do virtually anything you need it to do, whereas Wordpad is basically Notepad with buttons. Wordpad works fine if you're just typing a plain ole paper, double-spaced and indented...and can even do some more advanced stuff too...but if you try to do anything really advanced then you're pretty limited.
Bottom line, that approach is fine for elem. school and (arguably) middle school, but once you get into high school and college I think you'd be doing them a dis-service...if only because most places they want to get a job at will use Word, and thus they will need to be familiar with it or risk losing the job to someone who is.
That may work in XP, but not 2k. I was wrong about the XP part but it's not included in 2k.
Oops I guess XP does. I've only used 2k and I know it doesn't come with 2k.
You change change that screen. See http://www.google.com/options/defaults.html for details.
As evidenced by the fact that Barnes & Noble's page says "This item will be available on October 28. Place your order now and we will ship the item when it arrives. Your credit card will not be charged until your order ships."
Keyed into rooms and did what? Unplugged from the wall?
Yeah except there is no "msconfig" in win2000 or xp....
Now I'm not one to complain about positive moderation, but I was going more for funny than insightful there...oh well.
I work at my college store too, and you're 100% right. Publishers won't even sell you a textbook by itself anymore a lot of the time. They only come with CDs/DVDs/online subscription cards in a lot of cases now. A prof wants this book, and when we order it it comes with all this crap that the professor probably doesn't need but the publisher won't sell it to us without. And of course it can't be returned without all the crap.
:-P
But nobody ever bothers to find out the facts before just bashing the bookstore for gouging the students, when our base markup on textbooks is 25%. I think it should be a little less personally, but it IS a business after all, and businesses make money. However, compare this to the markup on gifts and clothing, which is more like 70%. This is where bookstores make the REAL money! All those $39.95 sweatshirts? Our cost on those is probably just over $20. So pass the blame around
Wasn't the bookstore open? Couldn't you have gone in to the store and found out the books for your class? At the bookstore at my school (which I also work at sometimes) we're open all summer, and the books for fall are on the shelves the whole time. All you need to do is come in with a pad of paper.
You forgot the publishing companies, who get the most out of it. I work at my college bookstore and the standard mark-up on books is 25% (although sometimes it is more, especially if the price is pre-printed on the book - we always charge the pre-printed price if there is one). So however high you think our prices are, the publishers charged US about 25% less than that. And you can be sure they make a lot more than 25% on a book.
Not only that, but the bookstore profits go to the college, so if store profits go down, you can bet tuition or fees will go up to compensate. It's a lose-lose for the students in the end. I think students are best served buying and selling their books directly to other students, but most are too lazy, and the bookstore is very convenient. Like I said, I work for the bookstore, but for this semester I bought all but $11 of my books online. Saved about 35% overall.
Whew good thing you used scientific evidence to refute his claims. For a minute there I was afraid you were just going to mock him for only using ESPN as a source.
I can understand why they don't want most of that...but banning NetBEUI?? WTF? That's the best way to windows share over a LAN...I guess they like having gigabit ethernet but not being able to share files over it (netbios also banned). Weird.
The way I see it, the reason you see more Windows exploits is because:
a) There are more people working to find exploits in Windows.
b) There are more people to affect by finding a Windows exploit.
What would be the point of distributing a worm that used a Linux exploit? Relative to Windows, Linux has basically no userbase, so you wouldn't have the "strength in numbers" to cause any widespread damage. Bottom line - if you want to wreak havoc, you need to do it on Windows, just by the numbers alone.
But it still probably needs to reboot...I think what he was getting at was having XP be able to totally patch itself at any time and not disrupt him in any way if he's working on the computer. I don't think it can do this...
I downloaded it at work in about 3 seconds this afternoon. It's only about 600K (at least for Win 2000) and at home I had it in about 20 seconds. I wasn't infected, and may have patched already anyway (note the July 16 date on the patch).
I also posted this in the Maryland article, but I figured I may as well post it here too:
I live in North Dakota, and I recently saw an article about how the move toward the Diebold voting machines in the state has been put on hold because of the recent publication regarding the lack of security, etc. I think it's good that states are taking it slow and making sure it's done right, rather than just rolling out the first thing that comes along.