Maybe it would be different if Clementi didn't know about webcams or if Ravi hid his webcam.. maybe they went over more detail about that in the trial, who knows, but I haven't heard anything that suggested it was hidden.... To many people who have webcams, which is most people with laptops these days, it's rather obvious that you wouldn't do something private (especially sexual in nature) in front of a webcam connected to a running computer with an internet connection
It wasn't hidden, he knew about the webcam, and he was a complete fucking idiot to not cover it up when he invited men over for trysts: after Ravi moved in and set up, Tyler noticed that,
Clementi set his desk at the foot of his bed, so that he faced the window. Ravi, to his right, pushed his desk against the side wall, so that his back was to Clementi and his computer screen faced the room. Clementi noticed that the webcam on top of Ravi's monitor was "pointed right at me." He said to Yang, "I feel like he's watching me watching him."
Note that this was long before any actual watching occurred. The dude was an idiot.
Also note that the comment about "he's watching me watching him" was made after Ravi moved in and set up the computer - long before any actual spying took place.
which was what Ravi used; it wasn't a 'lappy', left open and looking obvious, but a separate, unobtrusive and damned near invisible webcam--maybe you should get the details before spouting off
Well, shit, I'm sorry, I didn't read ALL FOURTEEN PAGES of the article. In fact, I didn't even notice that there was more to the article than the first page. Well, perhaps someone who:
seemed worried or defensive about computing. Ravi mocked his roommate for "asking if he should boot linux everytime he surfs internet."
should have been a little more aware of the fact that tech-savvie roomie has a webcam? Oh look, HE IS:
Clementi noticed that the webcam on top of Ravi's monitor was "pointed right at me." He said to Yang, "I feel like he's watching me watching him."
So tell me - did you get the details before spouting off? Because my half-cocked reply was closer to the truth than yours was. It wasn't an inconspicuous, "damned near invisible" webcam. Tyler knew of it, and even felt paranoid about it watching him. I mean, really?!!
at one point Clementi noticed its webcam suddenly glowing green. When he moved toward Ravi's desk, intending to turn the camera away, the light went out
IT HAD A LITTLE FUCKING LIGHT ON IT. Inconspicuous, my ass.
I never had anyone trying to surreptitiously tape one of my intimate moments.
I'm reasonably certain you've had to deal with a few people who didn't only because they never had a good opportunity to do so without being caught. There are a lot of horny people in the world and some of them will do just about whatever they can get away with. And if you have really had the good fortune of having not, you have now.
In fact, I'd even give a small chance that they did try something of the nature and you just never knew about it. And I don't know if by "intimate moments" you mean sex - it's certainly not limited to such activity. Whether you were fucking, or changing, or showering, or using the toilet, or they molested you while you were passed out from too much drinking, or - hell - while you were drugged on the dentist's chair, is somewhat irrelevant.
He videotaped it, talked about it, then SET UP THE CAM AGAIN for everyone to watch. You seemed to have forgotten that fact.
Except - that didn't work because at that point the roommate was wise to the plan and shut down the lappy before doing any down and dirty. Crisis averted.
Which, I might add, should be a little bit fucking obvious even if you're not gay or you don't know that your roommate is a fucking creep. If you know that someone else's camera is in your bedroom, you're a fucking idiot if you're in there fucking without being absolutely certain the fucking camera isn't watching you two fucking. Fuck!
Secondly, if someone was in the closet, bringing other men to a dorm room - one that isn't even private, I might add! - is going to make it very hard for you to stay in the closet.
Sharing a room doesn't mean you can record your roommates having sex.
No, it doesn't. But sharing a room doesn't mean you can kick your roommate out to have sex whenever you want to, either. Unless you have an unwritten sort of agreement that you'll both do this for each other now and then. But you don't have to if you don't want to. You could be a dick and say "no, I have a headache. I'm staying in my room tonight. Go screw off elsewhere."
By that logic, someone who rents a room in your house could set up a webcam in your bedroom or elsewhere in your house and record you
By that logic, they could set up their laptop in the room they were staying in. And their laptop might have a webcam. And if they are staying in your bedroom, you have problems.
And I might even suggest the obvious: cover the webcam with a piece of tape, ya moron. Some people live in paranoia of their own webcam being used to spy on them; this guy wasn't even apparently concerned that someone else's webcam was in his bedroom when he was having sex? WTF is wrong with him?
If the victim had been heterosexual he woud not have been a victim, Ravi wouldn't have gone for him.
...but when I am, I prefer Gay Sex!
I am not in the least bit convinced of this. If Ravi played the Peeping Tom when his gay roommate kicked him out so he could steam up the place, I don't see any reason to believe that Ravi would not do the same if his roommate was straight. Unless, of course, Ravi was also gay. Which he's not. He's just a dick who reacted poorly to his roommate having sexcapades in his dorm room. Which makes his roommate a bit of a dick too.
I see the facts that he is a straight dick or that his roommate was a bent dick as both being somewhat orthogonal to the actual problem, which is that two people were dicks to each other, and one of them jumped off a bridge.
That's actually very reasonable. If you kill someone who is operating machinery on which people are depending for their lives, it is quite resonable that you should be held accountable for endangering all of them too. If you shot the driver of a passing bus, do you really think you'd be charged with simple murder?
The logic was that you can't "cause" someone to commit suicide. They have to decide to do it. That is why you can't cause my wife to commit suicide.
That, and I don't have a wife.
The other logic was that, if you get punched in the face before someone's reached the point of suicide, you're less likely to continue harassing them. Which is why I flipped the analogy so that you get punched before my wife would even consider suicide, and why she never does.
The analogy works just as well if the punch in the face comes in the form of a restraining order, by the way.
By all the evidence he was pranking his roommate because he'd been kicked out of his shared dormroom so that his roommate could have sex. The whole gay-bashing bit just happened to be a convenient way to prank his roommate.
It's not at all like this has never happened where a straight roommate was spied on and humiliated by a roommate who wasn't happy with getting kicked out of his room.
No. Why should I? I like it here. Get over your delusion that you can tell people in first-world countries to live under second- or third-world conditions. I have the money, I have the space, and what right have you to tell me that I should learn to deal with rude assholes who think they're entitled to share it?
I can afford to live by myself. I do live by myself. I once had a roomate. He was a dick. I kicked him out. Now I live by myself again. End of story.
Now, what basis do you have for implying Ravi would have been uninterested in spying on the action had it instead been an attractive female coed steaming up his dorm room?
If this would have been fine if there were a female and Clementi, then obviously there's a problem.
Interesting that you should mention that.
You see, I'm reasonably confident that Ravi would have spied on his roommate even if the guy was banging hot chicks rather than gay men. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that, given the opportunity, he would have watched that video feed for more than just a few seconds.
I'd bet he has nothing against them. Unlike drag queens, Scottish men traditionally wore skirts because they're easier to fight in than other, more-restrictive clothing. And you probably don't need to be told what sort of other traditions exist about the Scottish and fighting. They're only slightly less notorious than the Irish.
Now lets say that, in your example, I am the person the husband committed adultery with. I know full well the husband is married, but don't care. And while that might make me an ass, that doesn't mean the wife has a right to invade my privacy.
Your privacy? You were in her bedroom. What makes you think you have privacy just because she's gone?!
Hell, even if there wasn't a camera, your ID could fall out of your wallet while you're in there doing the hokey pokey. Or a business card. Or a shade of lipstick that his wife never wears. Or that hideous scarf you wear that his wife wouldn't be caught dead in - and now that you've forgotten it, you won't be either (caught dead in it). Or any of a dozen other things that would give you away.
Granted, knowing you've been there is slightly different than watching you, but you can't expect to have privacy unless you're their with their knowledge and consent. For instance, if you needed to change clothes and did so in my bedroom, you would have an expectation that I not barge in and see you half-naked - if I knew you were in there doing that. If I didn't know that you're in there, or that you're changing, it would be unreasonable of you to expect me to not come in before you'd finished.
You have very little privacy from someone when you're in their bedroom. Now, if we were talking about their bathroom, yes, you would expect to have privacy there, but even that doesn't preclude them even knowing you'd been there.
It's discriminatory against bald people, and stupid people. But I repeat myself.
As we all know, stupid people go bald - there's just not enough information in there to force the hair out. Jokes which would normally pleasantly ruffle the hair of an intelligent person will just breeze right over the shiny pate of those who are mentally incapable of understanding or appreciating them. Hence, "whoosh".
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Maybe it would be different if Clementi didn't know about webcams or if Ravi hid his webcam.. maybe they went over more detail about that in the trial, who knows, but I haven't heard anything that suggested it was hidden. ... To many people who have webcams, which is most people with laptops these days, it's rather obvious that you wouldn't do something private (especially sexual in nature) in front of a webcam connected to a running computer with an internet connection
It wasn't hidden, he knew about the webcam, and he was a complete fucking idiot to not cover it up when he invited men over for trysts: after Ravi moved in and set up, Tyler noticed that,
Clementi set his desk at the foot of his bed, so that he faced the window. Ravi, to his right, pushed his desk against the side wall, so that his back was to Clementi and his computer screen faced the room. Clementi noticed that the webcam on top of Ravi's monitor was "pointed right at me." He said to Yang, "I feel like he's watching me watching him."
Note that this was long before any actual watching occurred. The dude was an idiot.
Also note that the comment about "he's watching me watching him" was made after Ravi moved in and set up the computer - long before any actual spying took place.
which was what Ravi used; it wasn't a 'lappy', left open and looking obvious, but a separate, unobtrusive and damned near invisible webcam--maybe you should get the details before spouting off
Well, shit, I'm sorry, I didn't read ALL FOURTEEN PAGES of the article. In fact, I didn't even notice that there was more to the article than the first page. Well, perhaps someone who:
seemed worried or defensive about computing. Ravi mocked his roommate for "asking if he should boot linux everytime he surfs internet."
should have been a little more aware of the fact that tech-savvie roomie has a webcam? Oh look, HE IS:
Clementi noticed that the webcam on top of Ravi's monitor was "pointed right at me." He said to Yang, "I feel like he's watching me watching him."
So tell me - did you get the details before spouting off? Because my half-cocked reply was closer to the truth than yours was. It wasn't an inconspicuous, "damned near invisible" webcam. Tyler knew of it, and even felt paranoid about it watching him. I mean, really?!!
at one point Clementi noticed its webcam suddenly glowing green. When he moved toward Ravi's desk, intending to turn the camera away, the light went out
IT HAD A LITTLE FUCKING LIGHT ON IT. Inconspicuous, my ass.
I never had anyone trying to surreptitiously tape one of my intimate moments.
I'm reasonably certain you've had to deal with a few people who didn't only because they never had a good opportunity to do so without being caught. There are a lot of horny people in the world and some of them will do just about whatever they can get away with. And if you have really had the good fortune of having not, you have now.
In fact, I'd even give a small chance that they did try something of the nature and you just never knew about it. And I don't know if by "intimate moments" you mean sex - it's certainly not limited to such activity. Whether you were fucking, or changing, or showering, or using the toilet, or they molested you while you were passed out from too much drinking, or - hell - while you were drugged on the dentist's chair, is somewhat irrelevant.
He videotaped it, talked about it, then SET UP THE CAM AGAIN for everyone to watch. You seemed to have forgotten that fact.
Except - that didn't work because at that point the roommate was wise to the plan and shut down the lappy before doing any down and dirty. Crisis averted.
Which, I might add, should be a little bit fucking obvious even if you're not gay or you don't know that your roommate is a fucking creep. If you know that someone else's camera is in your bedroom, you're a fucking idiot if you're in there fucking without being absolutely certain the fucking camera isn't watching you two fucking. Fuck!
THERE not THEIR, damn it.
First of all, AFAIK the guy wasn't in the closet.
Secondly, if someone was in the closet, bringing other men to a dorm room - one that isn't even private, I might add! - is going to make it very hard for you to stay in the closet.
Sharing a room doesn't mean you can record your roommates having sex.
No, it doesn't. But sharing a room doesn't mean you can kick your roommate out to have sex whenever you want to, either. Unless you have an unwritten sort of agreement that you'll both do this for each other now and then. But you don't have to if you don't want to. You could be a dick and say "no, I have a headache. I'm staying in my room tonight. Go screw off elsewhere."
By that logic, someone who rents a room in your house could set up a webcam in your bedroom or elsewhere in your house and record you
By that logic, they could set up their laptop in the room they were staying in. And their laptop might have a webcam. And if they are staying in your bedroom, you have problems.
And I might even suggest the obvious: cover the webcam with a piece of tape, ya moron. Some people live in paranoia of their own webcam being used to spy on them; this guy wasn't even apparently concerned that someone else's webcam was in his bedroom when he was having sex? WTF is wrong with him?
If the victim had been heterosexual he woud not have been a victim, Ravi wouldn't have gone for him.
...but when I am, I prefer Gay Sex!
I am not in the least bit convinced of this. If Ravi played the Peeping Tom when his gay roommate kicked him out so he could steam up the place, I don't see any reason to believe that Ravi would not do the same if his roommate was straight. Unless, of course, Ravi was also gay. Which he's not. He's just a dick who reacted poorly to his roommate having sexcapades in his dorm room. Which makes his roommate a bit of a dick too.
I see the facts that he is a straight dick or that his roommate was a bent dick as both being somewhat orthogonal to the actual problem, which is that two people were dicks to each other, and one of them jumped off a bridge.
Killing a cable car operator?? Seriously??
That's actually very reasonable. If you kill someone who is operating machinery on which people are depending for their lives, it is quite resonable that you should be held accountable for endangering all of them too. If you shot the driver of a passing bus, do you really think you'd be charged with simple murder?
The logic was that you can't "cause" someone to commit suicide. They have to decide to do it. That is why you can't cause my wife to commit suicide.
That, and I don't have a wife.
The other logic was that, if you get punched in the face before someone's reached the point of suicide, you're less likely to continue harassing them. Which is why I flipped the analogy so that you get punched before my wife would even consider suicide, and why she never does.
The analogy works just as well if the punch in the face comes in the form of a restraining order, by the way.
By all the evidence he was pranking his roommate because he'd been kicked out of his shared dormroom so that his roommate could have sex. The whole gay-bashing bit just happened to be a convenient way to prank his roommate.
It's not at all like this has never happened where a straight roommate was spied on and humiliated by a roommate who wasn't happy with getting kicked out of his room.
No. Why should I? I like it here. Get over your delusion that you can tell people in first-world countries to live under second- or third-world conditions. I have the money, I have the space, and what right have you to tell me that I should learn to deal with rude assholes who think they're entitled to share it?
I can afford to live by myself. I do live by myself. I once had a roomate. He was a dick. I kicked him out. Now I live by myself again. End of story.
What basis do you have for making this claim?
(a) he's straight and (b) he's a dick.
Now, what basis do you have for implying Ravi would have been uninterested in spying on the action had it instead been an attractive female coed steaming up his dorm room?
Can I make your wife kill herself, and then you'll punch me in the nose and we'll be square?
You could try, I'd punch you in the nose, and my wife wouldn't kill herself. See how that works?
A man at a bar repeatedly punches another man because he is wearing a skirt. This happens quite often in Scotland.
Except for the "repeatedly" part.
If this would have been fine if there were a female and Clementi, then obviously there's a problem.
Interesting that you should mention that.
You see, I'm reasonably confident that Ravi would have spied on his roommate even if the guy was banging hot chicks rather than gay men. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that, given the opportunity, he would have watched that video feed for more than just a few seconds.
There is no such thing as a crime "so egregious" as to push someone over the edge.
We even have an ancient analogy for this. It's exactly like punishing the straw that was "so heavy" as to break the camel's back.
I'd bet he has nothing against them. Unlike drag queens, Scottish men traditionally wore skirts because they're easier to fight in than other, more-restrictive clothing. And you probably don't need to be told what sort of other traditions exist about the Scottish and fighting. They're only slightly less notorious than the Irish.
Hell, they did the same thing with their jackets...
"That's what he said."
It could have been worse, he could have got the same punishment the other guy got...
Oh, you mean having his reputation utterly destroyed? He did. But he didn't kill himself...
You fucking idiot.
Now lets say that, in your example, I am the person the husband committed adultery with. I know full well the husband is married, but don't care. And while that might make me an ass, that doesn't mean the wife has a right to invade my privacy.
Your privacy? You were in her bedroom. What makes you think you have privacy just because she's gone?!
Hell, even if there wasn't a camera, your ID could fall out of your wallet while you're in there doing the hokey pokey. Or a business card. Or a shade of lipstick that his wife never wears. Or that hideous scarf you wear that his wife wouldn't be caught dead in - and now that you've forgotten it, you won't be either (caught dead in it). Or any of a dozen other things that would give you away.
Granted, knowing you've been there is slightly different than watching you, but you can't expect to have privacy unless you're their with their knowledge and consent. For instance, if you needed to change clothes and did so in my bedroom, you would have an expectation that I not barge in and see you half-naked - if I knew you were in there doing that. If I didn't know that you're in there, or that you're changing, it would be unreasonable of you to expect me to not come in before you'd finished.
You have very little privacy from someone when you're in their bedroom. Now, if we were talking about their bathroom, yes, you would expect to have privacy there, but even that doesn't preclude them even knowing you'd been there.
It's discriminatory against bald people, and stupid people. But I repeat myself.
As we all know, stupid people go bald - there's just not enough information in there to force the hair out. Jokes which would normally pleasantly ruffle the hair of an intelligent person will just breeze right over the shiny pate of those who are mentally incapable of understanding or appreciating them. Hence, "whoosh".
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Amazing.
I bet he could find at least two volunteers here for the BJs, as long as he's not hoping for women.
Is there any chemical California has not added to their list of carcinogenic compounds?
I'm pretty certain santorum isn't on it. (yet)