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Coca-Cola and Pepsi Change Recipe To Avoid Cancer Warning
jones_supa writes "California has added 4-methylimidazole (a caramel coloring) to the list of carcinogenic compounds that require an explicit warning when added to foodstuffs. Incidentally, this has entailed the big two cola producers to modify their recipe to decrease the amount of the substance — just enough to avoid the warning. The change to the recipe has already been introduced in California but will be rolled out across the U.S. to streamline manufacturing. The American Beverage Association noted that there is not enough evidence to show the coloring to cause cancer in humans."
Everybody knows that everything causes cancer in California.
California needs to just put out a warning saying that life has been linked to incidences of cancer.
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"But he noted that a consumer would have to drink more than 1,000 cans a day to reach the doses administered that have shown links to cancer in rodents."
The American Beverage Association also noted that California added the coloring to its list of carcinogens with no studies showing that it causes cancer in humans. It noted that the listing was based on a single study in lab mice and rats.
Yes, I too am in favor of having my food cause terminal diseases. Boo California for ensuring food safety.
Fuck CA.
Yeah! Fuck Canada!
The same 1000 cans argument can be made for aspartame as a sweetner, tail pipe exhaust, and smoking crack. What if you're that one person with a a genetic predisposition to get cancer from this substance? We should be doing what the EU has done for years- make manufacturers prove substances are safe for consumption before including them as ingredients.
Stay skeptical, my friends.
and the rest of the country
Its not just the country:
Last month my new headphones came with a warning "California law requires us to inform you that this product has been found to cause cancer".
I live in Canada.
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Yeah, stupid California. If only more states allowed public smoking and DDT use.
Is there any chemical California has not added to their list of carcinogenic compounds?
Yeah, fuck those hippies and their clean air.
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Did anyone else ever notice how much Ferengis look, sound and act like members of a certain real country on planet earth that is overflowing with and run by psychopaths?
Oy!
Emission laws may be restrictive but they are good for the Earth. That kind of problem is scientific evidence. This Cola stuff is not.
ddt scare was frautlent and has been proven so. coca cola on the other hand should be outlawed. Soda cause more death and disease in this country every year than tobacco could ever hope to achieve.
Now all Coke/Pepsi has to do is remove the toxic sugar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM and it'll be perfect. ;-)
The ingredient in question is only used for coloring the product and doesn't contribute anything at all to the taste. I can't see reduced levels as anything but a good thing if there is even a small risk that it is a carcinogen.
Fuck CA.
I live in the People's Republic of California, and I couldn't possibly agree with you more. This state is run by liberals who get their rocks off by telling other people how to run their lives. Not only that, the only part of the state that's mostly Democrat is the Pacific Coast, with almost all of the inland parts strongly Republican. However, most of the population is on or near the coast, so the rest of us suffer under the Tyranny of the Majority.
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Will Slurm be affected in any way, shape, or form? If so, and the New Slurm tastes horrible, can I hold out for a return of Slurm Classic?
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...it's Crystal Pepsi!!
Thankfully, most states still do....
And they should, it is a perfectly legal activity....
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can we get some real sugar again? Your HFCS sodas taste like shit.
I recently purchased a corded airbed pump. On the electrical cord is a label:
"This product contains lead, a substance known to the state of California to cause birth defects. Wash hands after handling."
Yep. There's lead-based solder ENCASED IN PLASTIC, but you should still wash your hands after touching the plastic.
...is also present in dark beers and roasted foods. It is one of many substances, like acrylamide, formed during browning. So, even if they avoid it in cola drinks, we can expect California warning labels on more foods and beverages. (California OEHHA proposed slapping a warning label on everything containing acrylamide about five years ago, but they got a lot of pushback on that one).
I don't have a problem with clean air. I like that cars need to run clean. I have a large problem with the way California enforces the emission laws. I should be free to modify my car any way I want so long as what come out of tailpipe falls withing the acceptable range. California believes that anything that doesn't have prior approval is illegal to put on your car, even if it couldn't have any effect on the emissions.
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So much more oppresive than the Tyranny of the Minority...
It's also interesting that California, cancer-paranoid as they are, still approved medical cannabis legislation, and famously so.
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Have there ever been a study done to show how many people who have or had got cancer did so because this one compound? It seems every month another substance gets added to this list, in 10 years we wont be able to eat anything because everything will cause cancer. I would be surprised if this compound has caused over 0.00001% of all cancer.
I just got back from a trip to SF and noticed signs in the airport that said something totally vague, like "Some stuff here may cause cancer." Um, what stuff? How bad is the risk? Should I leave? Will I be exposed by breathing the air or touching surfaces? Would wearing shoes and gloves protect me? Should I be wearing Nomex, Kevlar, or a biohazard suit? Gas mask? Where else should I go? Should I assume that anywhere without those signs is 100% safe? What if I was in a cancer-causing area and some jackass took the signs down? Then I'd be screwed, right?
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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It's an easy assumption to make. But wrong.
Look it up. Studies show either no increased cancer risk from cannabis use, or even a slightly protective (anti-cancer) effect.
Emphysema on the other hand...
I once worked in a retail store in Menlo Park, CA, and it seemed like every week we were being sent Prop 65 "this product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer" warning stickers for some product we'd been carrying for years that had suddenly made the list. So one day I took the extra stickers and put them on bottles of Dasani water in the Coke cooler, just to point out how ridiculous the whole thing was. No one noticed. I knew I should have put them on the Coke!
Man...I'm so tired of something changing in CA, and the rest of the country gets fscking stuck with it.
Could be a big contributing factor as to why CA was ranked as the most hated state in a recent survey I saw some where. Heck, surveys probably cause cancer too.
Alot more "Un-Nerdy" stories being posted lately since 'Taco left. Is a shift in content what drove him to leave?
I guess what happens in Vegas NOT ALWAYS STAYS IN VEGAS: If you get an Std. Just saying
They could have spun this to 'we care about our customers health' instead of ' we just want to avoid some stupid government label'.
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Was wondering why recently there was a yellow dot on my Pepsi can....heard it was for color alignment but perhaps it's for the modded recipe??
Poor libertarian... can't be an obnoxious cock to those of us who don't want to smell bad, have disgusting teeth and fingers, poor physical / sexual stamina and eventually die of lung cancer.
how many ounces in a full LoC?? I mean, thats a big building
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you think its liberal in calif? (disc: I live here)
I'd consider this, at best, a tie between conservatives and liberals.
but I agree, compared to the rest of the backward US, calif does seem to be labeled as liberal. its just not accurate.
I take liberal to mean progressive and I'm not seeing any significant progress in calif. not a lot is going backwards, at least; but as for *progress* - I don't see it anywhere in the US.
btw, if you don't like it, why are you staying? I find that odd; where people complain about where they live but then go on staying there like they're being forced, somehow. there are LOTS of red-states you can move to where the progress is intentionally held back. maybe you'd be more comfy there, since you think calif is *too* progressive?
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we have the same issue here in NY, we got a mostly democratically run NYC and albany, and the rest of it is all red, Yet we sufferbecause of NYCs bs plans and costs. A lot of us in the state not the island would love for NYC to be its own state.
the American Beverage Association is a trade organization that represents the beverage industry in the United States. Its members include producers and bottlers of soft drinks, bottled water, and other non-alcoholic beverages.
the American Beverage Association frankly has no idea at all if this chemical is hazardous, at what levels and under what conditions. they have published no known study. they have 25 lobbyists across seven firms and their purpose is to limit warning labels on their products regardless of the actual science.
to clarify, The Center For Science in the Public Interest (we like them. theyre good guys) concluded 4-methylimidazole is added as a caramel coloring in some dark beers and soy sauces. its bad. to further cut past the knee jerk spinjob article from OP, heres the release from CSPI:
http://www.cspinet.org/new/201102161.html
and a quote out of the article as to what precisely theyre targeting...
"Federal regulations distinguish among four types of caramel coloring, two of which are produced with ammonia and two without it. CSPI wants the Food and Drug Administration to prohibit the two made with ammonia. The type used in colas and other dark soft drinks is known as Caramel IV, or ammonia sulfite process caramel. Caramel III, which is produced with ammonia but not sulfites, is sometimes used in beer, soy sauce, and other foods. "
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did coca-cola get rid of the BPA yet?
1000 12 oz. cans of coke per day is 822 lbs of soda per day, which is 46 times the amount of water which should kill a 200 lb. person (LD50 of water is 90g/kg, the coke in a can of coke is 373g).
Kansas is considering a law that requires doctors to tell women seeking abortions that the procedure causes cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2366200/?tool=pubmed
note the PPM 1250 and 5000
from http://www.itwire.com/science-news/health/53314-coke-and-pepsi-new-formulas-have-less-cancer-causing-stuff?start=1
, “the FDA’s limit for 4-MEI in caramel coloring is 250 parts per million (ppm). That caramel would then be diluted when it is put in soda. The highest levels of 4-MEI found by CSPI were about 0.4 ppm,
So to even begin to enter the risk are, you would need to drink 1000 cans.
And they don't 'add it' tit comes naturally form the cooking of the caramel.
Just so people know, you get it in pretty much anything the browns.
As always, it's the dose that makes the poison;.
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it is a perfectly legal activity
Until a state passes a law that makes it illegal.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Second hand smoke has been scientifically proven to cause a number of respiratory ailments. I am all for personal civil liberties, but once your action impinges on my civil liberties, then government has every right to limit your action. I should be able to eat in a restaurant, wait for a train on a platform, etc. without having to worry that someone else's filthy habit has the possibility to affect my health. I remember traveling to the midwest, hell to Pennsylvania, and being absolutely abhorred that people can smoke in restaurants at rest areas. If you want to smoke, do it in your own home.
That article is alarmist and misleading. .4ppm... Which is about what you would get from any browning process.
A) Coca-coal doesn't 'add it'. It is created when caramel is made. BTW, Coca-cola doesn't make caramel, they buy it from suppliers.
B) a serving has
FDA say 250ppm is where the issue might begin. However, the studies regarding 4-MI see an effect in rats over 1250 ppm:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2366200/?tool=pubmed
And anyone who had a parody of the item they are allegedly looking into cannot be trusted. Clearly they are biased.
And why, exactly, makes you think the CSPI are the good guys? Because everything I read from them is always misleading, it is always biased, and it is always full of logical fallacy's. They are either following an agenda that falls under naturalist fallacies, or they are just incompetent.
The 4-MI levels in soda aren't even worth noting, but hey6 they can't get funding by being honest and reasonable.
Fuck. Them.
Which is in NO WAY an endorsement of ABA.
I mean, look at this:
"But the levels of 4-MI in the tested colas still may be causing thousands of cancers in the U.S. population."
False. There is no evidence of that at all. Unless there are people drinking 100's of cans of soda everyday for weeks on end.
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First off, lots of things that are "perfectly legal activities" when done in private where only consenting adults are exposed to them cease to be perfectly legal activities when they affect people other than adults voluntarily participating in the activity.
Secondly, California allows public smoking, it just prohibits most indoor workplaces (though there are some exceptions) from subjecting workers to tobacco smoke. In doing so, its rules are in line with those in the majority of US states. (There are some localities, notably Calabasas, in California with stronger smoking bans than the state has, but those are local rules, not state rules.)
Except spitting into my face isn't illegal.
I'm fine with smoking in public. Just please inhale all the tar/crap and don't exhale it into the face of someone walking by.
Liter of Cola?
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ddt scare was frautlent and has been proven so. coca cola on the other hand should be outlawed. Soda cause more death and disease in this country every year than tobacco could ever hope to achieve.
Freutian slip, I'm sure.
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Bad news, roasted coffee samples had 0.307 to 1.241 mg/kg of 4-MI
You need to look at the dose. It take 1000 cans to even get to the range where it would ahve a chance to casue canser igf you are predisposed.
Look at the numbers:
Studies in rats show effects at 1250 ppm, and fmakle rtas at 5000ppm had a higher risk.
Coca-Cola has .4 ppm
You can't even cross the point where its a risk at all.
So, no worries.
Of course, there is no evidence at all that this can, is, or has happened in humans..but the Rat/Mouse studies where pretty well done. I
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The fucking leave.
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If the state doesn't allow it, then it's not legal.
Really? that's your argument?
It kills a great many people who don't want to partake. But hey, god forbid we step on your constitution right to poison people~
Did you know the heart attacks in non smokers in the work place has been cut in half because you can no longer smoke there?
Of course you don't, that would require reading studies and being actually informed.
You know what else is legal, swing my fist around in public. Hey, kit's not my fault it hit someone , they could go somewhere else.
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Good thing your precious Republicans never get THEIR rocks off by telling other people how to run their lives...
I take liberal to mean progressive and I'm not seeing any significant progress in calif.
...since you think calif is *too* progressive?
Just because you conflate the terms "liberal" and "progressive" doesn't mean that it's correct. And, btw, the term "progressive" begs the question by assuming without evidence that their program will produce progress.
Why do I stay here? I like the climate, almost all of my friends and family are out here and the air is clean.
Don't put words in my mouth. Just because I dislike some of the policies the liberals here are forcing down our throats doesn't mean that I hate what you consider progress. Personally, I'd rather vote against politicians I dislike than leave the state and let them do what they want without opposition.
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so the rest of us suffer under the Tyranny of the Majority.
Where I come from, that's called a democracy son
I'm pretty sure the problem is that there's no evidence to support this nonsense.
Its not just Californians who are affected by the stupid crap California does. One good example is the California Air Resources Board. Because they insist on such strict emissions standards, especially on diesel engines (far stricter than is the norm in most of the world) and because car makers generally wont sell cars in the US that don't meet CARB rules (since they want to sell their cars in California), the US misses out on many of the cool cars that exist in Europe (especially the diesels)
Now I am not saying that if CARB disappeared, all these cars would magically come to the USA. But I bet if the CARB rules didn't exist, lots of car markers would be more inclined to re-consider bringing these cars stateside.
This is exactly the problem. We aren't sure which signs to give priority. Lots of things cause cancer, but there is a significant difference between smoking cigarettes, inhaling gasoline fumes, and caramel color.
On the other hand, I think it is reasonable to inform the public about what chemicals are used in an area (like a gas station) and to suggest that they limit their exposure. One of these times California will require a cancer warning label on something that has a powerful lobby (like the corn lobby) and the state is going to get sued hard.
There are bans on public smoking in 3 major cities in California already. You can be cited for smoking on the side walk or in a public park. And 2 more have put the issue up on the ballot for 2012.
Let me ask you this: given the choice, would you rather have cool cars or clean air? I grew up in LA during the '50s and '60s, and remember what the smog used to be like and I can assure you that it's much better now. Yes, cars cost more and so does gas, but the air is clean and people don't suffer from lung problems. If you'd like to see what things here would be like without the CARB, go down to Mexico City and try to take a deep breath.
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To put things in perspective, life style choices (poor diet, alcohol, smoking, overweight, lack of exercise, viruses etc.) & occupational exposures (e.g. hexavalent chromium, asbestos) cause 42% of cancers in the UK. However, the Center For Science In The Public Interest (CSPI) publication (that kicked all this off) claims 4-MeI might cause 0.008% of cancers (i.e. 8 times the Californian 1 in 100,000 action level) if everyone drank 12 fl oz of cola a day over 70 years.
If you take this seriously, you really should become an physically fit, teetotal, non-smoking, asexual vegetarian with an ideal BMI. Doing this could be as much as 5250 times more important that giving up cola.
Also, the predictions only work if the handful of very high dose animal experiments (that show carcinogenesis) are naively extrapolated to very low level human exposures... while assuming (without evidence) a strictly linear relationship between dose and cancer risk for 4-MeI i.e. a linear no-threshold response (LNT), ignoring other dose-risk relationships e.g. threshold (harmless) and hormesis (beneficial) responses at very low levels. Indeed, the CSPI admits that researchers are investigating if 4-MeI might reduce certain cancers by modifying hormones. Lastly, judging the toxicity of chemicals in humans from animal experiments is not straightforward, a massive dose of TCDD Dioxin kills lab rats stone dead but gives us humans a nasty case of acne (see Viktor Yushchenko). So all in all, just more evidence that people are rubbish at properly assessing risk when fear gets in the way.
Parkin et al., 2011. 16. The fraction of cancer attributable to lifestyle and environmental factors in the UK in 2010. Br J Cancer 105(S2), S77–S81.
Kaiser, J. 2003. HORMESIS: Sipping From a Poisoned Chalice. Science 302(5644), 376–379.
Think for a moment why colorings are added. Is it good public policy to allow this?
This is essentially false advertizing. We humans have evolved to associate various colors with some idea of "goodness", allowing us to get proper nutrition. These colors make us instinctively prefer manufactured products. This is bad for our health.
You might say "buyer beware", but that doesn't solve the problem. People suffer horrible health problems related to junkfood.
This is nothing but a politically motivated "threat" aka sodium cyclmate. I don't know of anyone who can drink more than 1,000 cans of coke a day without going into a diabetic coma.
If it did actually accomplish that, I guess nobody would argue.
The beef I have with this labeling craze is the same I have with many others: Inflation leading to disregard. If EVERYTHING has the damn label, it's just as good as if nothing did.
For reference, see the "are you sure" confirmation dialogues. Since they pop up for every stupid thing you might want to do, people brush them aside as well when they should REALLY ask themselves whether they're really sure.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Wait... they can't cause cancer in Canada?
How difficult is it to immigrate?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
While I can see how someone smoking can affect you in a confined public space like a bar or restaurant, care to tell me how a smoker in an open air public space affects you?
Chances are that the negative impact from the car exhaust on the road next to your house is a billion times worse than from all the smokers in your city.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Most restaurants are private property. If you don't like their atmosphere, it is proper not to go there. It is not proper to have your state send in a trooper to arrest the owner when he refuses to buckle under to no-smoking laws.
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"good for the Earth"
Would you be kind enough to take the actual meaning of the four words in that phrase, and tell me how you distort them to make your statement true, or even not silly?
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Just like me smashing your face against the curb is a perfectly legal activity?
How about I bring a portable diesel generator into your livingroom and just crank that shit out, right? That's perfectly fine, right? ...right?
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(Unfortunately, Joe Jackson's kind of a dick about cigarettes, inasmuch as he has a habit of going off on weird tinfoil-hat tangents about how their health dangers are imaginary and it's all a big scam. Otherwise a great singer and songwriter, though.)
Contrary to what you see here , implying california is without cause with wanting this label, here is an in vivo study on the effect of the aforementionned substance :
PUBMED article on rat study
Now I am not sure whether the panic is granted due to the amount spoken of which are order of magnitude greater than what we take in food, but caution is warranted.
Smoking in restaurants and other workplaces was not outlawed to protect consumers, or because of complaints by consumers.
In California, where smoking laws are relatively tough, the only workplaces that may permit smoking are those which are employee-owned.
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Actually, emissions from automotive exhausts are far cleaner than the effluent from a cigarette.
Mostly unrelated, as smell is a poor indicator of exhast, but I can tell when someone is smoking in another car, often several ahead of me, in slow traffic or at a stop light. The smell of exhaust from the cars doesn't even come close to covering it up.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Beer contains 4 ingredients: barley, hops, yeast, and water. If the "dark beer" you speak of is not naturally dark, then I regret to inform you that it is not beer.
I bought an 88-key m-audio midi controller and there was a huge sticker on the manual saying it causes cancer. I was like well wtf if this causes cancer why is it even for sale? is this some kind of weird ploy by the tobacco industry to make everything seem to cause cancer so the surgeon generals warnings go unnoticed?
Doesn't surprise me at all. Your nose got used to the exhaust fumes from driving around (or even living in the city) and you don't smell it anymore, while the cigarette smoke is a new scent and hence your nose reacts to it.
It's also the reason why smokers don't even know how bad they smell.
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Cool cars....easy choice.
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"this has entailed the big two cola producers to modify their recipe to decrease" They both use the same recipe? Or does nobody copy-edit anything anymore?