You stopped being a scientist and started being a shill decades ago. You're a fraud who sues people who disagree with you, and whine about being sued in return.
It is the Alarmist camp who is fading into oblivion while we real scientists will continue to gather data. Stand out of our way please.
You don't really know your history very well, do you?
The phrase "useful idiot" was coined by Stalin, in reference to people in the United States and Europe who were trying to help overthrow capitalism in favor of communism. They really didn't understand the issue very well either, just like AGW people don't.
In this context, AC (and no I don't approve of him hiding in that fashion) was using it to describe the views of the blind AGW supporters who have only been exposed to one side of the science (much as communism supporters only ever saw what Stalin wanted them to see). Hence you scream and yell and holler in support of AGW propaganda without having a true picture of the actual scientific climatalogical findings.
You seriously want to steal people's tax dollars and then refuse to give some back in the form of aid if they don't think "the right way"?
Leaving aside the fact that the federal government exists at the pleasure of the states, would you feel the same way if in 2020 President Cruz decided to deny state highway funds to any state that permitted, say, abortions? Or if in 2016 President Hillary denied welfare funds to any state whose senators/representatives supported a inquiry into Benghazi?
That's one of the most disgusting and hopefully not-well-thought-about comments I've seen in a while.
Yeah, skepticalscience.com is pretty much the least trustworthy and most non-authoritative site you could list. It's funded by Soros and various green organization who have financial interests in getting people to believe in AGW.
The estimates of mankind dwarfing natural sources were made long before we discovered literally thousands of new volcanoes underwater. I have no idea what difference those might make and I think precious little analysis as to their emissions has been done to date, but at least know that this AGW meme is based on out-of-date information.
We want to teach students how to think for themselves, not to repeat rote consensus. Those standards are nothing more than yet another attempt to beat one viewpoint into their skulls, much like the Church did during the Dark Ages.
Teach kids how to think and then get out of the way. Don't tell them what to think.
Even if every scientist around the planet agrees with them (they don't).
Even if climate models were incredibly accurate (they haven't been).
There have been so many documented flat out lies coming out of this administration ("you can keep your doctor!"), and such hyperbolic politicization of the issue ("deniers should be thrown into jail for crimes against humanity!"), and nonstop flat-out hysterical proclamations from the AGW crowd continually ratchet up ("the Arctic will be ice free in 2013!")--that nobody not already drinking the kool-aid believes them any more.
Let's fix the economy and stop spying on everybody around the planet--then maybe we'll get around to worrying about global warming.
Back in high school we spent a week covering creation myths--Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Indian, etc. This was in science class no less, by a teacher who to this day I have no clue what his personal beliefs were on the issue. It sparked a lot of interesting conversation. Nobody felt "attacked" or "threatened" or "pressured" in any way. Most of the kids there were Christian but not all, and we spent a lot of time discussing Hindu and Native American creation stories especially.
Discussing these in a rational, open setting like classroom is exactly the right place to do this, since that's how one is exposed to different ideas, different belief systems, different evidence. Having it at the start of Natural History class (basically focusing on the formation and evolution of the Earth) was the perfect place for it. The teacher referred back from time to time to the earlier discussion and I never once recall any judgmental pigeon-holing (of the type that would call any belief "religious bullshit") ever happening.
Referring to religious beliefs in this way is exactly why intolerance for others has increased and why society is becoming more riven. Most schools today are scared to death to approach the subject, and most parents and activists have chips on their shoulders just waiting for excuses to fly off the handle about it all.
My school was more better, and it's helped a lot in my understanding of where religious folks are coming from.
I used to be a strong supporter of the Libertarian Party and helped try to get them elected in several campaigns, but they eventually proved to be no different than the Democrats or the Republicans. Oh they talk good game, but when push came to shove and they had some actual power they did squat-all with it.
Many years ago the Libertarian Party won the majority of the city council of a mountain town here named Leadville. They had three of the five seats, a clear majority of the voters behind them, and two fairly unpopular remaining Council members who were stunned at how their buddies had been tossed out. Things looked pretty good for the LP there for a bit.
Bu they didn't do anything. They didn't roll back any taxes. They didn't introduce a newer, simpler property tax system or even try to get rid of the existing system. They didn't take the state to court over any of their mandates, nor did they take the Feds to court over their silliness. They didn't even open up the town meetings to open-carry of firearms (Colorado is a local-rule city, so laws like this could certainly be implemented). I think one of them eventually got caught in some kind of influence-peddling scandal, though that might have been up in Denver instead.
In short, they did nothing at all to show that they were any different than the Democrats or Republicans who had come before them.
They failed catastrophically when they had the chance to prove that they were different, and that was the end of my energetic support. I'll vote for them over most Democrats and occasionally against a Republican, but that's the only time.
Slashdot Mirror
Damn well said sir. Damn well said.
Ferret
If one read the article you'll see no questions or answering that reflect the headline at all.
Misleading and inaccurate. Have the AGW supporters got so little that they must actively lie now?
Ferret
No evidence either way as of yet I'm afraid.
Ferret
You disagree with the Citizen's United decision?
Wow....it was a straight up freedom of speech decision. Should have been 9 - 0 in favor.
Ferret
To be fair, Obama has had zero to do with any of that....he's reduced federal production and exploration
http://www.westernenergyallian...
The massive increase in production is due to private enterprise and mostly private land, nothing to do with the feds:
http://www.exxonmobilperspecti...
Ferret
....waste is inefficiency and I'm for cleaning up the leaks.
Ferret
Um....he provided facts.
You didn't.
Your move...put up or shut up.
Ferret
Well said sir.
Ferret
...if it's true, Mr. Mann.
You stopped being a scientist and started being a shill decades ago. You're a fraud who sues people who disagree with you, and whine about being sued in return.
It is the Alarmist camp who is fading into oblivion while we real scientists will continue to gather data. Stand out of our way please.
Ferret
....in this where something goes horribly wrong and we crash the planet into a new Ice Age......
Ferret
Why/how do you assume somebody is an "idiot" simply because they're not using resources the way you want?
Ferret
What a neat ship design!
Ferret
Nothing wrong with Florida that a few feet of global warming wouldn't fix...
Ferret
You don't really know your history very well, do you?
The phrase "useful idiot" was coined by Stalin, in reference to people in the United States and Europe who were trying to help overthrow capitalism in favor of communism. They really didn't understand the issue very well either, just like AGW people don't.
In this context, AC (and no I don't approve of him hiding in that fashion) was using it to describe the views of the blind AGW supporters who have only been exposed to one side of the science (much as communism supporters only ever saw what Stalin wanted them to see). Hence you scream and yell and holler in support of AGW propaganda without having a true picture of the actual scientific climatalogical findings.
Ferret
So far it would appear that only the AGW cultists are doing so. Shows how weak their argument is.
Ferret
Seriously?
No wonder you posted as a coward if your best is to set up a strawman and then insult somebody over it.
Coward.
Ferret
You seriously want to steal people's tax dollars and then refuse to give some back in the form of aid if they don't think "the right way"?
Leaving aside the fact that the federal government exists at the pleasure of the states, would you feel the same way if in 2020 President Cruz decided to deny state highway funds to any state that permitted, say, abortions? Or if in 2016 President Hillary denied welfare funds to any state whose senators/representatives supported a inquiry into Benghazi?
That's one of the most disgusting and hopefully not-well-thought-about comments I've seen in a while.
Ferret
Yeah, skepticalscience.com is pretty much the least trustworthy and most non-authoritative site you could list. It's funded by Soros and various green organization who have financial interests in getting people to believe in AGW.
The estimates of mankind dwarfing natural sources were made long before we discovered literally thousands of new volcanoes underwater. I have no idea what difference those might make and I think precious little analysis as to their emissions has been done to date, but at least know that this AGW meme is based on out-of-date information.
Ferret
They're not standards, they're propaganda.
We want to teach students how to think for themselves, not to repeat rote consensus. Those standards are nothing more than yet another attempt to beat one viewpoint into their skulls, much like the Church did during the Dark Ages.
Teach kids how to think and then get out of the way. Don't tell them what to think.
Ferrret.
...no credibility to these people any more.
Even if they're 100% right (they're not).
Even if every scientist around the planet agrees with them (they don't).
Even if climate models were incredibly accurate (they haven't been).
There have been so many documented flat out lies coming out of this administration ("you can keep your doctor!"), and such hyperbolic politicization of the issue ("deniers should be thrown into jail for crimes against humanity!"), and nonstop flat-out hysterical proclamations from the AGW crowd continually ratchet up ("the Arctic will be ice free in 2013!")--that nobody not already drinking the kool-aid believes them any more.
Let's fix the economy and stop spying on everybody around the planet--then maybe we'll get around to worrying about global warming.
Ferret
Kinda sounds like a syndrome or something...
Ferret
By your own answer you've shown why it's needed.
Back in high school we spent a week covering creation myths--Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Indian, etc. This was in science class no less, by a teacher who to this day I have no clue what his personal beliefs were on the issue. It sparked a lot of interesting conversation. Nobody felt "attacked" or "threatened" or "pressured" in any way. Most of the kids there were Christian but not all, and we spent a lot of time discussing Hindu and Native American creation stories especially.
Discussing these in a rational, open setting like classroom is exactly the right place to do this, since that's how one is exposed to different ideas, different belief systems, different evidence. Having it at the start of Natural History class (basically focusing on the formation and evolution of the Earth) was the perfect place for it. The teacher referred back from time to time to the earlier discussion and I never once recall any judgmental pigeon-holing (of the type that would call any belief "religious bullshit") ever happening.
Referring to religious beliefs in this way is exactly why intolerance for others has increased and why society is becoming more riven. Most schools today are scared to death to approach the subject, and most parents and activists have chips on their shoulders just waiting for excuses to fly off the handle about it all.
My school was more better, and it's helped a lot in my understanding of where religious folks are coming from.
Ferret
I used to be a strong supporter of the Libertarian Party and helped try to get them elected in several campaigns, but they eventually proved to be no different than the Democrats or the Republicans. Oh they talk good game, but when push came to shove and they had some actual power they did squat-all with it.
Many years ago the Libertarian Party won the majority of the city council of a mountain town here named Leadville. They had three of the five seats, a clear majority of the voters behind them, and two fairly unpopular remaining Council members who were stunned at how their buddies had been tossed out. Things looked pretty good for the LP there for a bit.
Bu they didn't do anything. They didn't roll back any taxes. They didn't introduce a newer, simpler property tax system or even try to get rid of the existing system. They didn't take the state to court over any of their mandates, nor did they take the Feds to court over their silliness. They didn't even open up the town meetings to open-carry of firearms (Colorado is a local-rule city, so laws like this could certainly be implemented). I think one of them eventually got caught in some kind of influence-peddling scandal, though that might have been up in Denver instead.
In short, they did nothing at all to show that they were any different than the Democrats or Republicans who had come before them.
They failed catastrophically when they had the chance to prove that they were different, and that was the end of my energetic support. I'll vote for them over most Democrats and occasionally against a Republican, but that's the only time.
Ferret
THIS.
Ferret
One strongly suspects you're willfully missing the point here...
Ferret