I use the FlexPro...only cost me $35 (yes, a far cry from the SRP of $399 on the web page). Looks like it's been discontinued though.
I like it--It was the best bet for me, since my parents can't touchtype (you can lower it back to a flat position) and I could adjust it for me when I write long email letters.
> Good. Actually, this is has been my best debate, > judging by the actual communication. Neither of > us seemed to miss any points. Since it appears > this is about over (this board will get closed > sooner or later, and we've about worked it to > death), I'll thank you and bid you goodbye.
I was surprised you revisited the topic:) So nice to be able to log in and track your own discussions.
Thank you for your point of views--it's difficult to carry on debates like this w/o people being offended.
I meant to hit preview, and instead hit submit.:) It doesn't look like URL's longer than a line get interpreted correctly--remove the spaces from the URLs to get teh correct page.
> Why do we have to end up anywhere? And if we > can't simply be destroyed, an omnipotent god > could certainly make something besides Heaven or > Hell, couldn't he?
Sure, he could. But then why? Reward those who obey him, punish those who don't...makes sense to me.
> As I said before, I'm not sure anyone, however > evil, deserves Hell.
Your definition of evil is different from what God sees as evil. To Him, it is totally unbearable. Think of something totally unbearable to you. That's what God thinks when somebody sins--any sin.
> Perfect => sinless, right? The Bible records a > couple places where Jesus sinned - Luke (?) > records an instance where as a child he wandered > off at church, and when his parents came back > looking for him, he gave a smart-alek responce.
The child you're referring to was actually Jesus, who went to the temple because it was where he could be with God. His exact response was, "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" This isn't a "smart-alek" response, imho. It was neither sarcastic nor in contempt of his parents. You can find this passage in the second chapter of Luke if you want to see for yourself
> He is also recorded as having told his disciples > to take (i.e. steal) a donkey.
He didn't steal the donkey. If you're referring to the beginning of Matthew 21 then you'll see that there is nothing that said the disciples stole the donkey. The disciples could've asked permissions, or not. It just doesn't say.
> I hate to say this, but I'm in this just to kill > time and becuase I enjoy taking part in > religious arguments.
Hey, I'm in this for the "debate" factor too. Don't worry, I'm not here to convert you. Just inform you to make more accurate judgements about what christianity really is. As long as you don't take it personally, then I won't either.
Ok, I'm going to start some serious religious ranting here b/c this is the only way I can explain it...desert the topic if you want.
...we have to end up somewhere. There's only Heaven or Hell in the afterlife. And since we've all sinned (ie. crossed that line) we deserve to end up in Hell. Now Jesus, the only "perfect" person to have ever been born died on the cross...the way it works is this: He didn't have to die, because he was without sin. But He did, making Him the ideal "sacrificial lamb" (previous to Him, people [ie. Jews] could only redeem themselves worthy with sacrifices), and in so doing made it possible for Man to live with God after death. That is, he died for our sin.
Now as to why Hell: God cannot bear sin. God is in Heaven. That means sinners (who haven't asked forgiveness yet) have to go somewhere else--that is, Hell.
> How can ANYTHING happen for eternity? That's > like saying you CAN reach infinity.
Think of the concept of space--to us, it will always be infinite in size (ie. we cannot prove that something can walk past the edge of it). Time, now long regarded as the 4th dimension is sorta like this. Just because it's always been there in our existence doesn't mean it has and always will. Eternity can be possible, simply because there is no way we can comprehend the full capacity of time.
> And even if I do go to hell, I'll just sit > around and laugh at the devil when he tries to > make me do something.
Why do people kill themselves? To end suffering. That means, death is preferable to suffering. Think of Hell as suffering, rather than death, and you'll see what I mean. Trust me--it won't be boring.
>I'll [...] raise an insurrection against the > devil
That would not be advisable...Satan is not greater than God.
Nope, I saw this one ok. It only happens sometimes. Other times, it's just a grey screen (but everything has loaded up). I just resize the screen to force things to regenerate and the page then appears fine.
> Why do you have to be Christian to get blanket > forgiveness? Why can't you ask Allah, or the > Goddess, or Zeus for forgiveness?
Because their religions are somewhat different on the concept of forgiveness. If you ask for forgiveness from a ancient Greek god, then you should expect whatever the ancient Greek religion entitles you to after you die. Similarly for Christianity--you have to practice the Christian acts of asking for forgiveness to get the "Heaven" thing.
> Second, why does anyone not forgiven get an > eternity in hell? That's mean, unfair and > unjust. Punishment should fit the crime, and I'm > not sure any crime deserves an eternity of > torture.
There isn't anybody perfect. We've all committed some wrong in our lives. Until all of it is forgiven, we cannot enter the presense of God (ie. Heaven).
The crime is that we've all failed (or sinned), in some way or another. As long as we continue to have this sin in our lives, we deserve a punishment (ie. Hell).
Ok, so it's about software and music piracy. Which is, in most circles, illegal. Unless you can admit that most of your MP3's are legal (hey, if you can, great. But don't speak for the majority of the population.)
Like I said, what most people consider private are not things that I consider to be private. It's only when people start hiding things, that's when curiousity sets in and others will try to look for it.
Also, if everybody shares information, it's suddenly not a big deal anymore. Think of your phone number. If you're like most people in urban centres, you're one of millions of names in the phone book. And hardly anyone cares about that. And now because there's some method of identifying who you are on the internet, you're worried?
As for tracking--could you fill in the rest of your sentence (as evidence of_______)? I can't think of anything that I personally do that can be used against me in some way. That's not to say that everybody has nothing to hide, just that most people don't, and the proponents of this kind of privacy is assuming that EVERYBODY should be appalled at these actions against privacy.
Ok, I think either I'm just a naive geek, or just one who doesn't care, but why would anybody care whether there's a id on a chip? Software, I can understand (especially if you're a pirater) but hardware? Same as for all the other privacy stuff...i couldn't care less about being tracked all over the place. As long as some guys in black suits don't cuff me while I'm standing in line at a supermarket, then I'm not worried. In most cases, it's those that either 1) have a lot of things to lose (like money, or possessions) that criminals can track and hunt down the rich. I don't think I have this, and the average person doesn't either.
2) have criminal activity to hide
Please enlighten me, b/c the pros (as described on the web page) seem to outweigh the cons.
I liked it...but it was pretty dark. I appreciated it for it's math stuff, but in terms of imagery, it's not exactly a "date flick". I tend to be more sensitive to this kind of stuff, so maybe it affects me more...I don't know. YMMV.
What you're saying is that because our taxes go towards the police for fighting crime, crime is now legal.
I don't think this is the best way of doing things either, but until people stop making illegal recordings of copyrighted music, the artists should be compensated somehow.
BTW, does anybody know if the US musicians/record companies get any of the money raised from the tax?
Why does everybody (well, ok, not everybody...just the tree-huggers) think that this is so inhumane?
1) whale was dead (many people have said this already) 2) no convenient way of getting rid of it 3) blowing up anything is funny, especially if it's organic matter weighing more than a Volvo.
It's no different than blowing up a steak from the supermarket.
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I use the FlexPro...only cost me $35 (yes, a far cry from the SRP of $399 on the web page). Looks like it's been discontinued though.
I like it--It was the best bet for me, since my parents can't touchtype (you can lower it back to a flat position) and I could adjust it for me when I write long email letters.
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> Good. Actually, this is has been my best debate,
:) So nice to be able to log in and track your own discussions.
> judging by the actual communication. Neither of
> us seemed to miss any points. Since it appears
> this is about over (this board will get closed
> sooner or later, and we've about worked it to
> death), I'll thank you and bid you goodbye.
I was surprised you revisited the topic
Thank you for your point of views--it's difficult to carry on debates like this w/o people being offended.
<tim><
I meant to hit preview, and instead hit submit. :)
It doesn't look like URL's longer than a line get interpreted correctly--remove the spaces from the URLs to get teh correct page.
<tim><
> Why do we have to end up anywhere? And if we
> can't simply be destroyed, an omnipotent god
> could certainly make something besides Heaven or
> Hell, couldn't he?
Sure, he could. But then why? Reward those who obey him, punish those who don't...makes sense to me.
> As I said before, I'm not sure anyone, however
> evil, deserves Hell.
Your definition of evil is different from what God sees as evil. To Him, it is totally unbearable. Think of something totally unbearable to you. That's what God thinks when somebody sins--any sin.
> Perfect => sinless, right? The Bible records a
> couple places where Jesus sinned - Luke (?)
> records an instance where as a child he wandered
> off at church, and when his parents came back
> looking for him, he gave a smart-alek responce.
The child you're referring to was actually Jesus, who went to the temple because it was where he could be with God. His exact response was, "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" This isn't a "smart-alek" response, imho. It was neither sarcastic nor in contempt of his parents. You can find this passage in the second chapter of Luke if you want to see for yourself
> He is also recorded as having told his disciples
> to take (i.e. steal) a donkey.
He didn't steal the donkey. If you're referring to the beginning of Matthew 21 then you'll see that there is nothing that said the disciples stole the donkey. The disciples could've asked permissions, or not. It just doesn't say.
> I hate to say this, but I'm in this just to kill
> time and becuase I enjoy taking part in
> religious arguments.
Hey, I'm in this for the "debate" factor too. Don't worry, I'm not here to convert you. Just inform you to make more accurate judgements about what christianity really is. As long as you don't take it personally, then I won't either.
Cheers,
<tim><
Ok, I'm going to start some serious religious ranting here b/c this is the only way I can explain it...desert the topic if you want.
...we have to end up somewhere. There's only Heaven or Hell in the afterlife. And since we've all sinned (ie. crossed that line) we deserve to end up in Hell. Now Jesus, the only "perfect" person to have ever been born died on the cross...the way it works is this: He didn't have to die, because he was without sin. But He did, making Him the ideal "sacrificial lamb" (previous to Him, people [ie. Jews] could only redeem themselves worthy with sacrifices), and in so doing made it possible for Man to live with God after death. That is, he died for our sin.
Now as to why Hell: God cannot bear sin. God is in Heaven. That means sinners (who haven't asked forgiveness yet) have to go somewhere else--that is, Hell.
Hope this helps straighten out a few things.
<tim><
> How can ANYTHING happen for eternity? That's
> like saying you CAN reach infinity.
Think of the concept of space--to us, it will always be infinite in size (ie. we cannot prove that something can walk past the edge of it). Time, now long regarded as the 4th dimension is sorta like this. Just because it's always been there in our existence doesn't mean it has and always will. Eternity can be possible, simply because there is no way we can comprehend the full capacity of time.
> And even if I do go to hell, I'll just sit
> around and laugh at the devil when he tries to
> make me do something.
Why do people kill themselves? To end suffering. That means, death is preferable to suffering. Think of Hell as suffering, rather than death, and you'll see what I mean. Trust me--it won't be boring.
>I'll [...] raise an insurrection against the
> devil
That would not be advisable...Satan is not greater than God.
<tim><
Nope, I saw this one ok. It only happens sometimes. Other times, it's just a grey screen (but everything has loaded up). I just resize the screen to force things to regenerate and the page then appears fine.
<tim><
> Why do you have to be Christian to get blanket
> forgiveness? Why can't you ask Allah, or the
> Goddess, or Zeus for forgiveness?
Because their religions are somewhat different on the concept of forgiveness. If you ask for forgiveness from a ancient Greek god, then you should expect whatever the ancient Greek religion entitles you to after you die. Similarly for Christianity--you have to practice the Christian acts of asking for forgiveness to get the "Heaven" thing.
> Second, why does anyone not forgiven get an
> eternity in hell? That's mean, unfair and
> unjust. Punishment should fit the crime, and I'm
> not sure any crime deserves an eternity of
> torture.
There isn't anybody perfect. We've all committed some wrong in our lives. Until all of it is forgiven, we cannot enter the presense of God (ie. Heaven).
The crime is that we've all failed (or sinned), in some way or another. As long as we continue to have this sin in our lives, we deserve a punishment (ie. Hell).
<tim><
I'd click on a message, and it wouldn't show the body of the messages...just links to the people who've replied to it.
Anyways, thanks for fixing.
<tim><
Like another poster said, Foxtrot has already done a wonderful job of this. Look back a couple days for the beginning of the story.
<tim><
Ok, so it's about software and music piracy. Which is, in most circles, illegal. Unless you can admit that most of your MP3's are legal (hey, if you can, great. But don't speak for the majority of the population.)
<tim><
Like I said, what most people consider private are not things that I consider to be private. It's only when people start hiding things, that's when curiousity sets in and others will try to look for it.
Also, if everybody shares information, it's suddenly not a big deal anymore. Think of your phone number. If you're like most people in urban centres, you're one of millions of names in the phone book. And hardly anyone cares about that. And now because there's some method of identifying who you are on the internet, you're worried?
As for tracking--could you fill in the rest of your sentence (as evidence of_______)? I can't think of anything that I personally do that can be used against me in some way. That's not to say that everybody has nothing to hide, just that most people don't, and the proponents of this kind of privacy is assuming that EVERYBODY should be appalled at these actions against privacy.
<tim><
Ok, I think either I'm just a naive geek, or just one who doesn't care, but why would anybody care whether there's a id on a chip? Software, I can understand (especially if you're a pirater) but hardware? Same as for all the other privacy stuff...i couldn't care less about being tracked all over the place. As long as some guys in black suits don't cuff me while I'm standing in line at a supermarket, then I'm not worried. In most cases, it's those that either
1) have a lot of things to lose (like money, or possessions) that criminals can track and hunt down the rich. I don't think I have this, and the average person doesn't either.
2) have criminal activity to hide
Please enlighten me, b/c the pros (as described on the web page) seem to outweigh the cons.
lt;tim><
I liked it...but it was pretty dark. I appreciated it for it's math stuff, but in terms of imagery, it's not exactly a "date flick". I tend to be more sensitive to this kind of stuff, so maybe it affects me more...I don't know. YMMV.
<tim><
What you're saying is that because our taxes go towards the police for fighting crime, crime is now legal.
I don't think this is the best way of doing things either, but until people stop making illegal recordings of copyrighted music, the artists should be compensated somehow.
BTW, does anybody know if the US musicians/record companies get any of the money raised from the tax?
<tim><
Why does everybody (well, ok, not everybody...just the tree-huggers) think that this is so inhumane?
1) whale was dead (many people have said this already)
2) no convenient way of getting rid of it
3) blowing up anything is funny, especially if it's organic matter weighing more than a Volvo.
It's no different than blowing up a steak from the supermarket.
<tim><