Umm. No but thanks for trying. Hitler came to power on a platform of destroying the Weimar Republic, and with a army of thugs were activly murdering and intimidating. But thanks for playing the Slashdot I can make a insane argument without really knowing anything about the Nazis at all.
Hitler ran on a platform that Freedom is not neccessary for the good of the Volk. Bush runs on a platform that Freedom is great for everyone.
I would highly suggest going and picking up Evan's first two volumes about the Third Reich.
But C# and.NET might open more doors for you. Java has done a good job catching up to new features in C#, so learning C# will help you with Java as well. There is a fairly strong market (trying to hire someone right now) for good C# people, and not a lot of canidates.
The start to being able to do that is to put strict term limits in place. No more then 2 terms for a House of Rep member, no more then 1 term for a senator...
Then you will start to see something happen. These guys who sit in the senate and the house for 20+ years are much more like dictators then "we the people." Ted Stevens and KKK Byrd are prime examples of this;.
Not usually (I had to pay taxes when I owned my own business).
Prices theoretically won't go up, because in reality all of the different taxes are already factored in. Remember that Businesses have to pay social security, corporate taxes, etc and then you have to pay income, capital, etc taxes.
That number ends up working out to be something akin to 32%. That's a pretty good sales tax rate.
That's what you don't get. It's not a slam dunk. It's not even close to a slam dunk. Not only have Clinton, Reagan and Bush used this authority, the FISA courts themselves have ruled that they are within bounds doing so.
I understand you guys hate Bush, that's been clear since day one, but try to understand that there are very valid reasons why Bush is doing this, and very valid justifications for the power of the presidency to do it...
Again, I challange you all, explain to me why the only program that actually did pick up on 9/11 suspects (Able Danger) plus appropriate permissions (in the form of a FISA ruling, plus traditions of the presidents doign exactly this when it is about foreign intellegence) is not a effective solution? It clearly is not illegal unless the USSC wants to step in.
I still read the Washington Post, and consider it a valid source just from the left instead of the right. Just because you disagree with the ideology of someone doesn't mean dismissing it out of hand....
Unless! of course, you don't want to accept it in the first place, then you are willing to put your own blinders on and ignore anything that you might not like....
A sales tax would do the same exact thing, in a fairer manner. Even better, it might just encourage Americans to save, which would be a very good thing.
So when you can't argue, you just call names? or did you not bother to read the article. If you did, you would have realized that it was Aldrich who was a American. Or that the scope involves intellegence gathering (which this is about) and agents of non american institutions (which Al Qaeda clearly qualifies as).
And I use to wonder why Slashdot got the reputation it has...
More to the point, Clinton actually went much much further then this currently goes. He used it in purely domestic areas . Not that I expect this to actually change anyone's mind. What is being brandied about has very little to do with thought and everything to do with emotion (typically hate and fear -- on both sides).
BTW, critics of this. How do you explain that the one program that actually might have been able to stop 9/11 (Able Danger) would be illegal under your incomplete reading of the law? The FISA court itself ruled that Bush's constitutional duties and rights trumped FISA when it came to intellegence gathering?
It's not just that, it's also that since the tax rate increases (and yes it does, even with tax loopholes for thoose who care to look) it makes it more difficult to climb the income latter. Not only do you have to pay more dollars (but you have more dollars coming in) you also have to pay a greater percentage of your income (because you earn more and are thus evil).
I think it is well past time to ditch the different taxation systems (income, property, inheritence, sales, capital) and replace them all with a single sales tax. That gets rid of this problem and also alliviates the massive problem with a competly wacked tax system that actually increases the difficulty of moving between the different classes.
I don't know much about the so called "FAIR Tax" although I have heard people say that it is similar to this idea. I dislike the flat tax because it unfairly impacts larger families (although I am sure the population nazis would love that).
But in general, why on earth do we maintain this system? It's not efficent, not effective, and benefits no one except politicans wanting to play social engineering!
Python is a great language, but it still has enough "isms" to make it hard to wrap your head around it. I will be the first to admit that Ruby also has several isms as well.
Bear in mind that this is coming from a long time Plone fan, who recently has had to give it up:
The reason why I think that Python is catching on where Ruby is not is:
Python had it's initial web framework that was going to change everything. Zope
Zope had a lot of really great ideas. The Object Store enabled a whole class of problems to be solved efficently. Unfortunitly once you start building larger applications (ala Plone) you discover that the entire approach does not scale and does not integrate well with each other.
Now we have a from the ground re-write of Zope, but Zope still requires learning python, and still is completly unusable with anything other then Zope.
While python does let you do several magical things, the syntax behind them can be rough.
There are still more Perl programmers then Python programmers. Ruby is closer in syntax to Perl
Note that I think that several of the reasons that Zope and python failed will also result in drawbacks from Ruby. Already you see a attitude from the ruby team that bashes integration of components for a DIY approach. Do it yourself doesn't scale.
No, actually. It involves calls that originate from or are terminated to the US. That means that the other line is somewhere in the big bad world beyond. It also only involves individuals that are already known as possible members of Al Qaeda. That means it is a international element. That is also in the original NYT piece.
Do you know what the techniques Hitler used to bring Nazi Germany down? You do? Good. Maybe you can point out the corner wardens to me... The Gestapo and the Secret police must be hiding somewhere near DIA which is after all shaped like a Swastika. The Brownshirts that killed all of their political enemies must be them scary fundamentalists right! And Moore's 9/11! Well that was just like Triumph of the Spirit....
Your arguments might carry more weight if you know anything about what you were posting.
I have a lot of friends in Iraq right now and they tell me that the Iraqi's are 100% convienced that the US already has air conditioned boxers, briefs, panties and bras... how else can they move around in that heat!
"Just being referenced in an F.B.I. file is not tantamount to being the subject of an investigation," said John Miller, a spokesman for the bureau."
Funny how everyone likes to ignore thoose lines. I have no doubt that people at the Earth Liberation Front talk to other people at Greenpeace all the time. That doesn't mean that they should be investigated. On the other hand, if one of the ELF people start giving Greenpeace money, I want to know how often they talked if ELF was already under investigation.
Ahh, but the flaw is even worse in yours. Just because Governments have had issues with genocide before doesn't mean that Bush using powers that clearly are approved via the judical system is illegal. Your choice of genocite is entire inappropriate here other then to try and spark a emotional flame in a arguemnt that would be better off with cool rational discussion.
Ahhh. Another one who has not read the article. One, according to FISA themselves, if the person on the other line is suspected to be linked to a foreign power, Bush's consitutional authority trumps FISA. It's linked in 4 other comments here, you can find it.
Also, if you read the article, the problem is about building a better model to catch people who want to do harm. Only in slashdot's collective perverted imagination does that include them (unless a few Al Qaeda decide to hit this article to find out if there are some technical details on how they do this... which by the way, does happen). To do that you need to have soft triggers. Softer triggers means more data. More data means that a warrent for monitoring is very impracticle.
I appreciate people's emotional response to this, but for once get past you Bush boogyman nightmares and realize that there is a very good reason that Bush, Clinton, Carter and Regean all used this authority.
So a german soilder in World War II could not be shot at or had his communication intercepted because we only declared war on the german government? If someone receives a international call from someone we think is linked to Al Qaeda I want to make damn sure his phone call is tapped. Wouldn't you? (That's rhetorical for anyone who wants to answer).
I think it's beyond question, though, that the President exceeded the authority that Congress believed it was granting with that resolution
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Umm. No but thanks for trying. Hitler came to power on a platform of destroying the Weimar Republic, and with a army of thugs were activly murdering and intimidating. But thanks for playing the Slashdot I can make a insane argument without really knowing anything about the Nazis at all.
Hitler ran on a platform that Freedom is not neccessary for the good of the Volk. Bush runs on a platform that Freedom is great for everyone.
I would highly suggest going and picking up Evan's first two volumes about the Third Reich.
But C# and .NET might open more doors for you. Java has done a good job catching up to new features in C#, so learning C# will help you with Java as well. There is a fairly strong market (trying to hire someone right now) for good C# people, and not a lot of canidates.
The start to being able to do that is to put strict term limits in place. No more then 2 terms for a House of Rep member, no more then 1 term for a senator...
Then you will start to see something happen. These guys who sit in the senate and the house for 20+ years are much more like dictators then "we the people." Ted Stevens and KKK Byrd are prime examples of this;.
Not usually (I had to pay taxes when I owned my own business).
Prices theoretically won't go up, because in reality all of the different taxes are already factored in. Remember that Businesses have to pay social security, corporate taxes, etc and then you have to pay income, capital, etc taxes.
That number ends up working out to be something akin to 32%. That's a pretty good sales tax rate.
That's what you don't get. It's not a slam dunk. It's not even close to a slam dunk. Not only have Clinton, Reagan and Bush used this authority, the FISA courts themselves have ruled that they are within bounds doing so.
I understand you guys hate Bush, that's been clear since day one, but try to understand that there are very valid reasons why Bush is doing this, and very valid justifications for the power of the presidency to do it...
Again, I challange you all, explain to me why the only program that actually did pick up on 9/11 suspects (Able Danger) plus appropriate permissions (in the form of a FISA ruling, plus traditions of the presidents doign exactly this when it is about foreign intellegence) is not a effective solution? It clearly is not illegal unless the USSC wants to step in.
I still read the Washington Post, and consider it a valid source just from the left instead of the right. Just because you disagree with the ideology of someone doesn't mean dismissing it out of hand....
Unless! of course, you don't want to accept it in the first place, then you are willing to put your own blinders on and ignore anything that you might not like....
A sales tax would do the same exact thing, in a fairer manner. Even better, it might just encourage Americans to save, which would be a very good thing.
So when you can't argue, you just call names? or did you not bother to read the article. If you did, you would have realized that it was Aldrich who was a American. Or that the scope involves intellegence gathering (which this is about) and agents of non american institutions (which Al Qaeda clearly qualifies as).
And I use to wonder why Slashdot got the reputation it has...
Please try and keep up:
- 7772r.htm
Take a look at this: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051222-122610
More to the point, Clinton actually went much much further then this currently goes. He used it in purely domestic areas . Not that I expect this to actually change anyone's mind. What is being brandied about has very little to do with thought and everything to do with emotion (typically hate and fear -- on both sides).
BTW, critics of this. How do you explain that the one program that actually might have been able to stop 9/11 (Able Danger) would be illegal under your incomplete reading of the law? The FISA court itself ruled that Bush's constitutional duties and rights trumped FISA when it came to intellegence gathering?
It's not just that, it's also that since the tax rate increases (and yes it does, even with tax loopholes for thoose who care to look) it makes it more difficult to climb the income latter. Not only do you have to pay more dollars (but you have more dollars coming in) you also have to pay a greater percentage of your income (because you earn more and are thus evil).
We disagree on the point, which is why I called it population nazism before... (Which btw, population control was a important element of nazism)
I think it is well past time to ditch the different taxation systems (income, property, inheritence, sales, capital) and replace them all with a single sales tax. That gets rid of this problem and also alliviates the massive problem with a competly wacked tax system that actually increases the difficulty of moving between the different classes.
I don't know much about the so called "FAIR Tax" although I have heard people say that it is similar to this idea. I dislike the flat tax because it unfairly impacts larger families (although I am sure the population nazis would love that).
But in general, why on earth do we maintain this system? It's not efficent, not effective, and benefits no one except politicans wanting to play social engineering!
Bear in mind that this is coming from a long time Plone fan, who recently has had to give it up:
The reason why I think that Python is catching on where Ruby is not is:
Note that I think that several of the reasons that Zope and python failed will also result in drawbacks from Ruby. Already you see a attitude from the ruby team that bashes integration of components for a DIY approach. Do it yourself doesn't scale.
Thank you for illustrating the falacy of moral equivilency ;-)
Frankly, that's not true. Study the Nazi's, study the Russians, study whomever you want. Movements that start in violence end in violence.
FISA also is the name of a court. There is a appelate court as well. And yes, as World War II proved, all available force also means intellgence.
Or did you think we just magically won at Midway?
No, actually. It involves calls that originate from or are terminated to the US. That means that the other line is somewhere in the big bad world beyond. It also only involves individuals that are already known as possible members of Al Qaeda. That means it is a international element. That is also in the original NYT piece.
Do you know what the techniques Hitler used to bring Nazi Germany down? You do? Good. Maybe you can point out the corner wardens to me... The Gestapo and the Secret police must be hiding somewhere near DIA which is after all shaped like a Swastika. The Brownshirts that killed all of their political enemies must be them scary fundamentalists right! And Moore's 9/11! Well that was just like Triumph of the Spirit....
Your arguments might carry more weight if you know anything about what you were posting.
I have a lot of friends in Iraq right now and they tell me that the Iraqi's are 100% convienced that the US already has air conditioned boxers, briefs, panties and bras... how else can they move around in that heat!
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
r y/19555/ for a good round up of facts rather.
Oh... you mean, you really didn't think this existed? Try looking at http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/ent
Or you can just type in all caps and pretend that you opinion is somehow magically true.
"Just being referenced in an F.B.I. file is not tantamount to being the subject of an investigation," said John Miller, a spokesman for the bureau."
Funny how everyone likes to ignore thoose lines. I have no doubt that people at the Earth Liberation Front talk to other people at Greenpeace all the time. That doesn't mean that they should be investigated. On the other hand, if one of the ELF people start giving Greenpeace money, I want to know how often they talked if ELF was already under investigation.
Ahh, but the flaw is even worse in yours. Just because Governments have had issues with genocide before doesn't mean that Bush using powers that clearly are approved via the judical system is illegal. Your choice of genocite is entire inappropriate here other then to try and spark a emotional flame in a arguemnt that would be better off with cool rational discussion.
Ahhh. Another one who has not read the article. One, according to FISA themselves, if the person on the other line is suspected to be linked to a foreign power, Bush's consitutional authority trumps FISA. It's linked in 4 other comments here, you can find it.
Also, if you read the article, the problem is about building a better model to catch people who want to do harm. Only in slashdot's collective perverted imagination does that include them (unless a few Al Qaeda decide to hit this article to find out if there are some technical details on how they do this... which by the way, does happen). To do that you need to have soft triggers. Softer triggers means more data. More data means that a warrent for monitoring is very impracticle.
I appreciate people's emotional response to this, but for once get past you Bush boogyman nightmares and realize that there is a very good reason that Bush, Clinton, Carter and Regean all used this authority.
So a german soilder in World War II could not be shot at or had his communication intercepted because we only declared war on the german government? If someone receives a international call from someone we think is linked to Al Qaeda I want to make damn sure his phone call is tapped. Wouldn't you? (That's rhetorical for anyone who wants to answer).
I think it's beyond question, though, that the President exceeded the authority that Congress believed it was granting with that resolution
I questioned it, so it's not beyond question.