It'll be like in that science fiction story (sorry, I cannot remember the author of the story, but it was in book one of an anthology that was published by Polaris, a division of White Wolf Publishing) where people convicted to die were required to donate their organs to health officials... they started changing stuff like parking tickets to get a death sentence!
They'll do that to DNA now! they're going to need our nuclei to copy their DNA strands, and they'll make it so if we breathe wrong, badmouth someone, or use Macintoshes we'll be convicted and they'll take our nuclei!
Join the "Save the Nuclei" movement now, before it's too late for humanity!!!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I have a 2.5 gig down in the basement that one day just decided one of the chips on it's controller board should get hot and it shouldn't run anymore."
Funny, I've had several Maxtor drives, the smallest an 800 MB, the largest a 17.2 GB, and the 800 didn't die until it had been lugged to 20 lan parties through road construction, been subject to my getting pissed at the computer for Build 112 of Windows Chicago Beta 1, and nearly 5 years of continuous use. I've got a 8.4 GB Maxtor drive in my primary workstation for/, and I've got a 17.2 GB drive in my DVD/MP3/TV computer in the entertainment center, and I don't ever shut off these computers. I went through a couple of Western Digital drives, a couple of NECs, and a Seagate before I stopped using other brands. I also don't like the whining noises and the "click of death" the western digitals get if you move them a very little while they are running. I had more of these die as a service tech...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If something embedded is that important, it's burned into ROM, and probably not even the EEPROM type, so that way it cannot be tampered with. "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
How can copy protection of data be maintained on hard disks and other media if the operating system has the ability to use partition types that encrypt? Wouldn't a layer in an OS kernel be able to circumvent a good portion of the measures if the data does not reach the drive in its original form?
Andre:
No, the DIRTY work is done in USER-SPACE and the file is written down with standard commands now. The XOR calculations originally proposed for the drive would have made the DRIVE do the DIRTY work.
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Interesting, so effectively one is not able to work with the data in advance before the hard disk handles it, requiring the hard disk to have some kind of partitioning that is designed in, or at least that's what it sounds like from what is being said here...
Looks like it's time to go get that 81GB Maxtor now before too much crap happens...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I work for a small but technically oriented company that unfortunately has to use Microsoft products for our workstations and servers and embedded products. We have lately come across this problem with Office 2000, and it's a downright pain. We don't like doing auth transactions like these through the Internet, for security reasons we call the registrar (for lack of a better term) and get it over with over the phone. We also fairly often upgrade computers (like, new comp, old one's parts turned into a test computer or something, with a license for an older full copy of an OS (Like NT 4 or Windows 95). The software people don't like it when we do this, it's a mess every time, and I'd frankly like them to well, trust us... We audit our computers very often, most of the time employees don't load anything except freeware stuff without asking, and the IS guy has a pretty good idea what is on the computers. Having to call in 25 times for 25 different installations of MS Office is just silly.
If there's a better way to do it, remember that I'm not the IS guy, so I'm not involved in the decisions...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"If you read gatt.org with suspicion, you should read wto.org with the same amount of suspicion."
But on first glance, one would not be reading gatt.org with suspicion. I don't like mass market companies that bend information or deceive in order to achieve profits. In response to the group Negativland, well, if you take something that is associated with another successful entity and take pieces of it without permission, don't be surprised when someone gets mad. It would have been more honest if the band U2 had been the group taking exception to Negativland's publication instead of a record label *cough*cartel*cough* doing it, but little guys do get stepped on by big guys when they get the attention of big guys, so if you don't call attention to yourself, you probably won't get burned at the stake.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"...and my big breasted honey knowing there are..."
Dude, what the hell are you doing here? If I were in your shoes I'd never touch *ahem* silicon again... I'd be too busy in extracurricular activites...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
This is all theory from my twisted mind, so don't automatically assume that this would work, but couldn't we defeat regional tracing, or tracking of any kind for that matter by having initial requests from clients be made through something that could be loosely termed a 'masquerading gateway ring'? I don't know if anyone already has a term for this, but the idea that I thought of while having a 101 Degrees Fahrenheit fever is that if a whole bunch of relatively high bandwidth computers, owned by the individuals who use the ring, have their masquerade and potentially TCP/IP stack rewritten so that instead of the owner's computer making a direct request it instead randomly picks an IP on the ring, sends the request, does NOT permanently log the request (and neither do any of the others, they only log for as long as is required for masq), to another computer on the ring, which decides at random whether or not to send the request itself or to forward it on to another random ring-member, and the final computer to decide to send the request sends it to the world, and waits for the answer which routes back through the forwarding computers until it reaches the original client. Basically, security through random hopping, none of the servers on the ring log to disk the directions to or from for the data, only in memory for the amount of time needed to perform the task, so no one can be permanently traced. Any node on the ring would not be able to tell if the computer it just talked to was the originator or not, and it would nullify things like regional targetting, traces, etc, so no one could do demographics.
I don't know if it is possible, but I'd like to see something like this.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
...they talk about how they can potentially deal with inertia too, so wow, increasing entropy in the Universe through a new means AND reducing inertia, at the same time! I bet that Viacom, the parent company to Paramount, is looking forward to throwing their bloodthirsty lawyers at web sites discussing this, because they are using Star Trek(tm)(r)(c) terms on the pages without paying royalties...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
How can copy protection of data be maintained on hard disks and other media if the operating system has the ability to use partition types that encrypt? Wouldn't a layer in an OS kernel be able to circumvent a good portion of the measures if the data does not reach the drive in its original form?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
It's one thing if someone puts up a banner ad on a site that is a misspelling of a company's site, it's quite another to build a page that has "World Trade Organization" at the top of the page and "World Trade Organization / GATT" in the header for the title. This could be interpreted as a group claiming false identity. If I were to somehow get a domain name that was the name of a company or organization and I put information on a site claiming to be that organization, I'd probably be convicted of fraud. I think that they can use the domain name IF the are willing to upfront claim who they are versus intentionally trying to convince people that this is the official site of the WTO. I don't know about anyone else, but if someone wants me to take their side in a cause they'd better be damn honest about everything upfront, else they will lose my support, and I will also try to convince others that they are a con. This is a perfect example.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... now that it's been announced, it'll take Rick Berman about 4 Star Trek: Voyager episodes to make a plot around "natural photonic beings" to conclude the revolution...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If you had this fuel, you could probably propel yourself with very little mass for fuel. You could then carry liquid rocket fuel in a plane-style lifting body to land on mars, which would be safer than parachuting, and reorient the craft to take off similar (but not identically, no tower) to a shuttle... "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
When did American companies completely stop trusting people? Obviously VCRs and cassette tapes didn't have this problem, neither did CDs really (of course the W.O.R.M. drive was exceedingly expensive back then). So what has happened? If one thinks about the logistics of piracy, if someone pirates something from a friend they probably weren't going to purchase it anyway, so while they have technically committed a crime, they really haven't hurt the producer, for the producer never would have had their money anyway. In my opinion, if something is sent out over the airwaves, and any ol' receiver will pick it up, it's fair use to record it and play it back later, on multiple devices. It's not fair use to take it and make a public exhibition of it, or to sell it, but how many people are going to do that, seriously? I don't, I doubt many others are planning on it either.
It looks like if this passes, many of us are going to stick with our older Super VHS decks for a long, long time, as well as our LaserDiscs and BetaMax tapes... I don't want to have to deal with corporate america trying to force another EULA down my throat.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
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...it was a short story, not more than ten pages long if I remember properly. I'll have to try to get the book back to look...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
It'll be like in that science fiction story (sorry, I cannot remember the author of the story, but it was in book one of an anthology that was published by Polaris, a division of White Wolf Publishing) where people convicted to die were required to donate their organs to health officials... they started changing stuff like parking tickets to get a death sentence!
They'll do that to DNA now! they're going to need our nuclei to copy their DNA strands, and they'll make it so if we breathe wrong, badmouth someone, or use Macintoshes we'll be convicted and they'll take our nuclei!
Join the "Save the Nuclei" movement now, before it's too late for humanity!!!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
[singing] Lifeforms, you tiny little lifeforms,
you precious little lifeforms... Where are you?
Data, "Star Trek: Generations"
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Maxtor drives just suck.
/, and I've got a 17.2 GB drive in my DVD/MP3/TV computer in the entertainment center, and I don't ever shut off these computers. I went through a couple of Western Digital drives, a couple of NECs, and a Seagate before I stopped using other brands. I also don't like the whining noises and the "click of death" the western digitals get if you move them a very little while they are running. I had more of these die as a service tech...
I have a 2.5 gig down in the basement that one day just decided one of the chips on it's controller board should get hot and it shouldn't run anymore."
Funny, I've had several Maxtor drives, the smallest an 800 MB, the largest a 17.2 GB, and the 800 didn't die until it had been lugged to 20 lan parties through road construction, been subject to my getting pissed at the computer for Build 112 of Windows Chicago Beta 1, and nearly 5 years of continuous use. I've got a 8.4 GB Maxtor drive in my primary workstation for
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
My question was something along those lines too, but I couldn't really figure out what he said to me... oh well...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
WHAT?! You don't THINK that you can TAKE someone SERIOUSLY who does this ALL THE TIME?! really...
WOOHOO!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If something embedded is that important, it's burned into ROM, and probably not even the EEPROM type, so that way it cannot be tampered with.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
From the feature:
Enforcement on Open Source platforms
by TWX_
How can copy protection of data be maintained on hard disks and other media if the operating system has the ability to use partition
types that encrypt? Wouldn't a layer in an OS kernel be able to circumvent a good portion of the
measures if the data does not reach the drive in its original form?
Andre:
No, the DIRTY work is done in USER-SPACE and the
file is written down with standard commands now. The XOR calculations
originally proposed for the drive would have made the DRIVE do the DIRTY work.
------
Interesting, so effectively one is not able to work with the data in advance before the hard disk handles it, requiring the hard disk to have some kind of partitioning that is designed in, or at least that's what it sounds like from what is being said here...
Looks like it's time to go get that 81GB Maxtor now before too much crap happens...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I work for a small but technically oriented company that unfortunately has to use Microsoft products for our workstations and servers and embedded products. We have lately come across this problem with Office 2000, and it's a downright pain. We don't like doing auth transactions like these through the Internet, for security reasons we call the registrar (for lack of a better term) and get it over with over the phone. We also fairly often upgrade computers (like, new comp, old one's parts turned into a test computer or something, with a license for an older full copy of an OS (Like NT 4 or Windows 95). The software people don't like it when we do this, it's a mess every time, and I'd frankly like them to well, trust us... We audit our computers very often, most of the time employees don't load anything except freeware stuff without asking, and the IS guy has a pretty good idea what is on the computers. Having to call in 25 times for 25 different installations of MS Office is just silly.
If there's a better way to do it, remember that I'm not the IS guy, so I'm not involved in the decisions...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
<grumble>the story submitter got to the pun before I could...<grumble>
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"If you read gatt.org with suspicion, you should read wto.org with the same amount of suspicion."
But on first glance, one would not be reading gatt.org with suspicion. I don't like mass market companies that bend information or deceive in order to achieve profits. In response to the group Negativland, well, if you take something that is associated with another successful entity and take pieces of it without permission, don't be surprised when someone gets mad. It would have been more honest if the band U2 had been the group taking exception to Negativland's publication instead of a record label *cough*cartel*cough* doing it, but little guys do get stepped on by big guys when they get the attention of big guys, so if you don't call attention to yourself, you probably won't get burned at the stake.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
It's on a geocities server... expect it to be slow; at least, geocities sites generally seem to be slow as far as I can tell...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"They're not silicon, they're real..."
silicon, as in a computer, not silicone, as in jelly to make breasts bigger...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"...and my big breasted honey knowing there are..."
Dude, what the hell are you doing here? If I were in your shoes I'd never touch *ahem* silicon again... I'd be too busy in extracurricular activites...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
This is all theory from my twisted mind, so don't automatically assume that this would work, but couldn't we defeat regional tracing, or tracking of any kind for that matter by having initial requests from clients be made through something that could be loosely termed a 'masquerading gateway ring'? I don't know if anyone already has a term for this, but the idea that I thought of while having a 101 Degrees Fahrenheit fever is that if a whole bunch of relatively high bandwidth computers, owned by the individuals who use the ring, have their masquerade and potentially TCP/IP stack rewritten so that instead of the owner's computer making a direct request it instead randomly picks an IP on the ring, sends the request, does NOT permanently log the request (and neither do any of the others, they only log for as long as is required for masq), to another computer on the ring, which decides at random whether or not to send the request itself or to forward it on to another random ring-member, and the final computer to decide to send the request sends it to the world, and waits for the answer which routes back through the forwarding computers until it reaches the original client. Basically, security through random hopping, none of the servers on the ring log to disk the directions to or from for the data, only in memory for the amount of time needed to perform the task, so no one can be permanently traced. Any node on the ring would not be able to tell if the computer it just talked to was the originator or not, and it would nullify things like regional targetting, traces, etc, so no one could do demographics.
I don't know if it is possible, but I'd like to see something like this.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Only if they steal the Aludium Q35 Exploding Space Modulator...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
...they talk about how they can potentially deal with inertia too, so wow, increasing entropy in the Universe through a new means AND reducing inertia, at the same time! I bet that Viacom, the parent company to Paramount, is looking forward to throwing their bloodthirsty lawyers at web sites discussing this, because they are using Star Trek(tm)(r)(c) terms on the pages without paying royalties...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
We can take a picture of the eclipse and update the cover of Bauhaus' album "The Sky's Gone Out"...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
How can copy protection of data be maintained on hard disks and other media if the operating system has the ability to use partition types that encrypt? Wouldn't a layer in an OS kernel be able to circumvent a good portion of the measures if the data does not reach the drive in its original form?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
It's one thing if someone puts up a banner ad on a site that is a misspelling of a company's site, it's quite another to build a page that has "World Trade Organization" at the top of the page and "World Trade Organization / GATT" in the header for the title. This could be interpreted as a group claiming false identity. If I were to somehow get a domain name that was the name of a company or organization and I put information on a site claiming to be that organization, I'd probably be convicted of fraud . I think that they can use the domain name IF the are willing to upfront claim who they are versus intentionally trying to convince people that this is the official site of the WTO. I don't know about anyone else, but if someone wants me to take their side in a cause they'd better be damn honest about everything upfront, else they will lose my support, and I will also try to convince others that they are a con. This is a perfect example.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"I know Unix!"
really? How'd they get that way? motorcycle accident with the gas cap? broken bicycle seat? only job available was to guard the Sultan's harem?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... now that it's been announced, it'll take Rick Berman about 4 Star Trek: Voyager episodes to make a plot around "natural photonic beings" to conclude the revolution...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If you had this fuel, you could probably propel yourself with very little mass for fuel. You could then carry liquid rocket fuel in a plane-style lifting body to land on mars, which would be safer than parachuting, and reorient the craft to take off similar (but not identically, no tower) to a shuttle...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
In the words of Slim Pickens...
"YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
When did American companies completely stop trusting people? Obviously VCRs and cassette tapes didn't have this problem, neither did CDs really (of course the W.O.R.M. drive was exceedingly expensive back then). So what has happened? If one thinks about the logistics of piracy, if someone pirates something from a friend they probably weren't going to purchase it anyway, so while they have technically committed a crime, they really haven't hurt the producer, for the producer never would have had their money anyway. In my opinion, if something is sent out over the airwaves, and any ol' receiver will pick it up, it's fair use to record it and play it back later, on multiple devices. It's not fair use to take it and make a public exhibition of it, or to sell it, but how many people are going to do that, seriously? I don't, I doubt many others are planning on it either.
It looks like if this passes, many of us are going to stick with our older Super VHS decks for a long, long time, as well as our LaserDiscs and BetaMax tapes... I don't want to have to deal with corporate america trying to force another EULA down my throat.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."