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Linux and Gnome Go to the Movies
brandonj writes "Looks like the new movie, Antitrust, will be using GNOME as their desktop in the movie. Here are screenshots and the Antitrust movie homepage is here. The movie will in theaters January 12." The website has a little bio for Maddog and Miguel.
it is a very strange site, but I really like Tim Robbins, so perhaps it'll be interesting...
2001-01-04 16:16:01 Gnome goes Hollywood! (articles,gnome) (rejected)
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Does anyone else think that it's rather odd that RSA data security seems to be sponsoring this movie?
If apple decided not to give them the computers for promotion like they do most movies then where else are they going to find CHEAP software?
:)
Cheap software that can easily be made to look like its doing something important and is also free of any weird legal entanglements. Who would've thought they'd choose *NIX?
Besides Linux has all those WMs that look so *high tech*.
FunOne
FunOne
I personally found it humorous that the movie's producers seem to be aiming for the geek market, but apparently ommitted a Linux version of the screen saver. Think someone will throw a fit about this? :)
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You know I was thinking the same damn thing. I have a feeling the producers are Evangelion fans. Heck look at the lead bad guy, he even has the same "style" glasses as me...er Gendou. :)
Call on God, but row AWAY from the rocks!
I know this is an offtopic tangent; can I run VMWare on NT, install and run Linux in VMWare, then install VMWare in that Linux, and then install and run windows in that VMWare? Etc?Maybe it's time for me to go home today...
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Why're some people automatically assuming that the GNOME screenshots are running Linux? Did GNOME suddenly stop running on any other un*x? The screenshots mentioned in the posting don't give any good indication of what the OS is. Could just as easily be a Sun box or Free/Open/NetBSD.
5.5 volts? What's the extra .5 volts for? Does a series protection diode in the power line so eat up the extra voltage?
Hay thar.
i wonder if the movie producers have ever seen Evangelion. I wonder if this is intentional, or if N?RV is just an easy "world power" acronym to come up with ;-)
Oh joy, more beautiful people portraying hackers.
Ever since the dashing Matthew Broderick hacked W.O.P.R., hollywood has just fawned all over them lovable nerds. When are we going to see some real computer geeks depicted the way they really look (besides the "Mr Potato Head! Back doors are NOT secrets" duo). For every dozen Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock flicks, there needs to be at least one "Revenge of the Nerds" to really nail reality of it.
And don't none of you purdee pierced gothy gen-y Linux dorks start emailing me pictures of your beautiful hairless chins, I believe you.
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How realistic the screen they show is, is usually up to the director. However, as the previous post said, the FX people who are in charge of providing the computer that does what the script says it does will invariablly use a Mac running something like Director (a sort of Power Point for more dynamic displays and cut-n-paste movies). The actors will have to interact with this machine the same way over and over through many reshoots of the same sceene, so you want something very... well, scripted... on the screen.
Let's take a solid example. Let's say that the person working on the screen is supposed to click on a link and then go to a shell window and run a command.
Take 1: Click on the link. Browser is sluggish for no obvious reason, ruins shot.
Take 2: Click on the link. Page comes up, click on text window to bring it to foregroud, but actor misses and brings wrong text window up. Ruins shot.
Take 3: Launch PC running GNOME out window and install Mac (with PC-like keyboard and monitor) running Director. Actor screws up line.
Takes 4-10: Actors get it right, but director want's additional coverage.
I hope this clears it up....
Its screenshots of Gnome, doctored up by a graphic designer and written into director-style animations, so all the actor needs to do to interact with it is hit a key to go to the next frame or animation sequence.
Actually, the computer industry is moving away from that practice and moving towards hacker doubles: CS majors who take the actor's place when he/she is at the keyboard. We already saw this in The Net... It *looks* like Sandra Bullock sitting in front of the computer, but in fact, it's Alan Cox.
He was wearing make-up. And a hat. Not the usual one. One Sandra Bullock might wear. Were you fooled too?
or just run vnc or exceed and run gnome on another machine.
treke
Check out this link to see how this movie is also going to involve RSA's secureID cards. This movie should rock. Good actors, good technology :)
Ian
My Macs all have NetBSD installed on them.
(Quadra 800, IIci, SE/30)
Hay thar.
" iF I EVER MeEt You, cAn I TWIST YoUr TITS? "
Geeze... And people wonder that there are so few female geeks?
Speaking of OSs in movies, BeIA is in Ahhnold's new movie. From BeNews,
;)
"... The fridge was shown twice during the movie, once in the beginning where Arnie tried to get some milk off the fridge and then he just
clicked some buttons on the touch screen and once near the end, when the "bad guys" went there to find Arnie, but they couldn't find him around. BUT, the IA
'betrayed' Arnie, because it was written on it his "Schedule of the Day", so they knew where to find him..."
Get the article here from BeNews
Yea, you don't care. Go ahead and -1 Offtopic it, see if I care
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Just a suggestion, but if a helix employee says Miguel is in it then they probably know what they are talking about ;) Seriously- from what I understand, he has a very, very small cameo. Additionally, you'll note that the IMDB notes suggest that only 12 people are in the movie. That's because IMDB notes are almost always very, very incomplete until the movie is released. So, while I love IMDB and your instinct to go there was a good one, it isn't the end all and be all, especially when the movie has not yet been released.
~luge
IAAL,BIANLY
Hmmm. I'm a dashing young computer geek (using GNOME to read /., no less).
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I'm also an Mac-using artist (FD Painter is too good to give up)
I guess this movie will be the perfect date flick for me and my hand!
arvind rulez
Goto http://www.antitrustthemovie.com/media/ There are some rooms you can move around inn...
'I sense much NT in you. NT leads to blue screen, blue screen leads to downtime, downtime leads to suffering.' -Uknown
Knowing our luck it will be GNOME in the standard configuration running a couple of terminal windows. They should really make it look nice, and have GIMP up and some other really cool Linux apps.
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Just because it's running GNOME doesn't necessarily mean its underlying OS must be Linux. It could just as easily be Solaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSD/OS, FreeBSD, HP-UX, or any other platform which GNOME runs on. Claiming it is Linux just by GNOME is highly erroneous.
I'm not sure I'd like that, I mean, my bank has enough trouble keeping my measly account straight without having errors flying across the screen every five minutes ;-)
OK, so 2.0.1 isn't so bad, hell, I'm even using it right now :-)
But seriously, folks, I don't mind these articles, as I (a Dane, and thus from Europe where many films never arrive...) like to know this stuff. It makes finding the right film at the local blockbuster so much easier - in six to eight months time ;-)
We're sysadmins, to us, data is protocol overhead.
ugghh.. thats horrible ;)
Actually, not all Windows code is written using Hungarian. I'm a Windows programmer by day, and refuse to use Hungarian. From what I've seen, a lot of Windows programmers simply adapt sample code taken from MSDN, and so they either get used to Hungarian or like it (!). Personally, I prefer to write code from scratch, using my own style.
As observed by J. M. Newcomer, languages that embed type information in the name (like early BASIC or FORTRAN) have either disappeared or changed. He also notes that problems occur when a variable's type is changed, since the name must be changed everywhere it is used. This is why we get the confusingly named wParam in Win32 window procedures (it's confusing because the w prefix implies it is a WORD type, whereas it is actually a LONG type).
This doesn't have anything much to do with GNOME, but I found all the Sun logos intruiging...
What does that tell you? It tells me that they're running GNOME on Solaris. Why is it that anytime you see GNOME or KDE or whatever on television, you always assume that Linux is running under it? Remember that GNOME runs on just about every UNIX. In this case, it's Solaris. So next time, don't get too excited and assume that it's Linux.
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I tried to post this one this morning - just the interviews part but as always was rejected. But I know what you mean; I went through the site and it doesn't credit them with anything. I was bewildered.. I think it's supposed to be some sort geek placement as marketing spin. The did enough research to realize their demographic was too clever to care what Bill Gates had to say and plugged "k3wl Underground Hacker" types, the prototypical 'old beard' and 'the kid'. There are other hip tech but unrelated things scattered through the site.
I have really big doubts about this movie. I haven't seen it yet, but I have a feeling it's going to be another over glorified script kiddy movie which likes to be trendy. Why did they have to have a "young hacker"? Doesn't that say anything right there that they're going for the same old hype?
As for the shots being Linux in the movie, I highly doubt this. There probably isn't any kind of operating system running in that sense and the monitors are just connected to a video deck which advances frames on director cues. I doubt Linux is ever functionally used in this movie at all, albeit a good deal of the movie may be about it.
Failing that they would have been asked for permission to feature their products gratis. Microsoft's absence implies express denial.
This is hardly surprising considering that this movie's badguy, like the badguy in 'Tomorrow Never Dies' could easily called 'Bill' with no change to the plot. Regardless of how you feel about him, a *lot* of people are uncomfortable with how much power this man really has in the world, and are wont to satirize him.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the Windows code in the screenshots? I.e., "GetDlgItemText(hDlg...)"
I wonder if this could be true? This article is an interview with a company that ported GNOME to Windoze, and is working on a KDE port!!!! http://www.linuxorbit.com/features/interview2.php3
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Rich
Seriously, that's as bad as watching someone solve calculus equations. I can just see myself yelling in the theater
"The limit goes to zero!"
"Take the second derivative!"
and so on.
... At least you can proudly say that it's not named "Gates Building" or something equally stupid. Our Computer Science building is actually kinda cool, it says "Gymnasium Building" in front. Apparently they built a new gym and left the beautiful all wood floor building for CS department.
I thought Hollywood North was where all the
trailer parks and strip clubs were?
Where's the beef?
What reason would an ad company have for promoting something other than the Macs they love? Unless they're specifically asked to use Windows screenshots (and the corporate people paying for the ads generally don't know the difference anyway), they'd rather show their Mac desktops.
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Hey TWM is alright. It's what I run on my Mac SE/30. Anything more than that just crowds anything useful off the screen. (let's see YOU run KDE or Gnome on a 512x348 display!)
Hay thar.
From what I gather, this movie is about a Gates/Jobs/Ellison type that is trying to take overe the world via corruption and murder. Why then, use Gnome in all of the screen shots? Shouldn't the hackers in the movie be using Gnome and KDE and all the heavies using Windows or Mac0SX?
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So, let me get this straight - the company whose founder is trying to take over the whole digital world (or so it seems from the trailers) is using Free Software to do it?!?! My God, what have we done?
I guess the prognosticators who said Red Hat would become the new Microsoft weren't that far off after all...
Right...
Wonder what all that code is on the wallpapers? It's real! It's a multi-threaded HTTP server written in Java from developer.java.sun.com. On the right side (on some image where the head is on the left) you can quite easily make out the comment "go back in wait queue if there's fewer than numHandler connections." - it's on lines 173-174 and the surroundings match too. In the large images one can also see many HTTP-texts on the right side.
Are they into Sun or what? I bet it's GNOME on Solaris...
I doubt, therefore I may be.
I found it entertaining that on an episode of "Angel" they were using what was clearly an iBook, but there was a sticky note on the back of it covering the Apple logo. I guess Apple didn't kick in their endorsement fee for that episode.
Thath's becuase to to their GPL, they don't have the right to take any credit for their appearences.
Finder of the any key.
we prefer to use "pro-suspicious"
The Rating is "some violence and brief language" - either there's lots of legalese or small words.
We can't wait for the prequel, "Free to Innovate!"
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
does anyone else find it interesting that video interviews of leaders of the open source and linux/unix movements are being show in quicktime?
"yeah bill, i've got my interview on the web!" - "where, mig?" - "right here, but damn hold on, gotta install windows first."
riiiight...
http://kered.org
John "Maddog" Hall
Miguel de Icaza
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Finding God in a Dog
The AntiTrust movie's website has an interview with everybody's favourite linux guy Joh "Maddog" Hall with questions like "What is Linux and what does it do? " and "What is open source?" Check it out, it is interesting watching and can only be good for getting the word out there.
If, by saying thanks, you mean watching a TV show or movie that we would otherwise find boring just because it features Linux, then you are correct.
Is it neat to hear that Linux has made it into a visible role in the entertainment industry? Sure. Is it enough to make me devote an hour of my time every week? Sorry -- I got over the "Whoa! They're using Linux." thrill long ago.
I'm guessing that the producers of JP didn't mind getting a little price break by plugging the machines they used to produce the special effects, or maybe they just felt like showing them off -- it's not as if anyone who might need an SGI didn't know about them already.
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Besides, unless you have one of those Nielsen boxes in your home, it's not like anyone knows or cares what you're watching anyway. you may as wewll sit in your bathroom repeating "use Linux" over and over.
Rich
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last i checked, Vmware checks to see if other instances of itself are running , and won't start if there is another Vmware session running
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Anybody know what they used in hackers. It sort of looked like fsn in that directories were represented by towers(buildings). This was when they were hacking the gibson. bob
Do you mean that you've never been so insult-ed? If so, then you really need to get out more. No offense, but if a comment about how American cars are crappy, and that nobody in their right mind would buy a Cadillac (if you've got that much money, buy something, *anything* German) offends you, then you've obviously been living in a bubble all your life. Save your indignation for times when it is called for!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
In Goldeneye 007 for the N64 the computer guy logs into the systems as root, this is no Windows machine, I guess you could create a root account in windows, but we'll assume they didn't. I don't know if there is anything like this in the movie.
On a related note (sorta), this is the funniest Linux-MS flame war I've ever seen, found on the movie's web-site in the forums section.
This reminds me of a movie I watched recently (forget the title). Anyway, they tried to give the look of windows on thier system, it didn't quite look like it, but the thing that really gave it away that it wasn't windows was the X pointer.
> Won't it be strange to see Gnome running on a Mac?
Gnome is running on my Mac (iBook) constantly. Doesn't look strange to me.
(Except for "You've Got Mail" but that movie doesn't count)
Except at the beginning of the movie where they introduce the charaters or something, I forget exactly what was going on. They were trying to go for the Windows look, but the pointer looked like an X pointer too me, it was red, probably from an IRIX machine.
You fell for a guy who bought a Cadillac? And you *knew* that it was an extension of his personality? What was he, 70? Oh, I see, its one of those "modern" relationships...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
The size of the program is not too important if it is designed correctly -- then it consists of several essentially independent modules, each of manageable size.
"Has anyone else noticed the Windows coding in the screenshot?" No, not if you don't count the other 600 posters who have already mentioned it, I guess...
-Legion
Woohoo, call the relatives. Seriously, who cares? I don't see why it's such a big deal that Gnome was in a movie. It's just not that exciting, and it's certainly not going to affect you at all. I hope...
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To add some extra creepiness, it could well be... you guessed it, Windows.
Not to mention that the trailer is in quicktime - so those of us running linux can't see the trailer either.
Am I the only one who noticed that their site ROUTINELY crashes Netscape for Linux? I tried it under Netscape 4.76 for Linux and was unable to get the main page (the one past the spiffy little splash screen) to display; the browser kept hanging.
Isn't it a wee bit ironic that a movie clearly aimed (at least partially) at geeks should have a Web site clearly tested only under proprietary OSes?
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
"This is UNIX. I know this."
Your comment would be funny, except its not. According to the second part of the quote, the girl apparently already knew UNIX, thus the movie says nothing about its intuitiveness. I hate being anal-retentive, but your oversight more or less ruins the joke. (I am dead serious here)
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Good points! However, for scenes like: Actor sits in front of a terminal and writes code while camera pans around, sitting someone down at a real terminal, opening up an editor (ok, if you used vim you'd have to hit "a" for them :) and having them look intense and type while the cameraman wanders around them wouldn't be too bad. Depends on the movie I guess... I'll be going to the movie, and I guess we'll see then :)
Socrates said in book 10 of the Republic: ... when I said that painting and drawing, and imitation in general, when doing their own proper work, are far removed from truth, and the companions and friends and associates of a principle within us which is equally removed from reason, and that they have no true or healthy aim.
In other words, Hollywood is showing us a flick about a field about which they have very little knowledge, for one reason only: to make money. They believe that the subject matter is popular, so they try to capitalize.
To support this point, look at a line from the movie's website, about the protagonist: He's about to launch a start-up company with his friend Teddy . Hasn't Hollywood missed the recent dot-com bust? Or maybe they're trying to revive people's dream of the American (high-tech) dream???
Veni, vidi, vici.
I thought I was crazy during the previews for this Movie. I remember catching a quick glimpse of Ghome.
This is weird because the majority of all movies that I see, they are using either Macintoshes or some sort of clone when they have a computer. I can't think of any movie I've seen where they have used Windows. (Except for "You've Got Mail" but that movie doesn't count)
"I know Unix!"
really? How'd they get that way? motorcycle accident with the gas cap? broken bicycle seat? only job available was to guard the Sultan's harem?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I ain't been this excited since the Fat Boys starred in The Disorderlies and they featured an Amiga 1000 on screen!!!
Of course, it turns out that the Amiga 1000's 5.5v keyboard is explosive when wet, if movies are to be believed.
Seriously, they actually have acting roles in the movie? I figured maybe tops they were called on the phone so they could use them as "consultants".
Do you know where this is mentioned anywhere else?
It takes a Mac to wirelessly hack into a martian mothership and plant a system disabling virus.
That's where I picked it up in '94. Of course, it'll take a bit of searching for it. I believe the binary was named 'fsn'.
-Vel
SGI also did a plug in the new "Lost in Space" movie as well, IIRC. Of course, that one was a bit more obvious to being an advert.
OK I admit I was fooled. I just found a reference that Alan made to being the body double in his journal but I lost the URL...
I have never seen someone attack someone over something so stupid. What geek troupe, you never fell for a girl in a hot car who just happens to be a programmer etc.? This is the one by product of geekdom. People whose social skills are the equivalent of os2 warp, running on a dx2 33. Lay off the chick boys, she knows shit you scared little boys will never know.
This gnome thing is good, but the code displayed behind in the 3rd gnome screenshot is windows api code! You can clearly see the line "GetDlgItemText(hWnd...".
Plus, how many of the "vacant" Windows/Mac audience would know what Gnome and Linux is, even if they do see it in the movie. I can't see this helping Linux at all. It'll just be something that the small minority of users who run Gnome will either groan or cheer about.
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We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
- Ministry
But from those screenshots, it's a little tough to tell if it's gnome or kde2. There are few distinguishing features in those blurry shots, and it looks similar enough to how I have my kde2 desktop set up that I could easily make that argument...
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
Yeah! Lets just pirate the movie and watch it at home!
>>> Sarcasm mdoe off
Look at the third picture down. That is a GNOME looking dialog box, but the source code in the background is definitely for a Windows application. GetDlgItemText? Hungarian? Yep, Windows alright.
You tell me how this code is easier to read than this code.
I show these examples to a lot of people (mostly casual coders) and not one tells me that Microsoft's official Hungarian style is easier to read.
I will admit that a simple prefix makes things easier to read, but stuff like rgbsyHash is garbage.
Need to save space? use wm2 :)
http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/
There was another even more different WM I saw recently, where you have one main window at a time, with mini-windows for your non-focused ones. I don't think I could have gotten used to it though.
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actually, from the previews on TV, I wonder if the movie is trying to play on Microsoft sterotypes? Note that Tim Robbins has a distinctly Gates-ian wardrobe, haircut, and position as ultraCEO of a worldwide monopoly... also the premise of the movie is that a giant megacorp (monopoly) has fingers into every home and abuses that access. Also throw in some anti-Gates egomaniac accusations (imported from Larry Ellison), and of course a VERY suggestive name for the flick...
assuming this is correct, no wonder they use Gnome! I wonder if the producer/director/writers read Slashdot?
Don't blame me - I voted for Howard Dean. http://dean2004.blogspot.com
I don't quite understand what you just said... Either way, I didn't mean any offense, it was just an anti-american car joke.
Maybe I should be less subtle.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Jamos' mom is so stupid. She tried to put the leftovers in the trash on the computer screen. She still hasn't figured out how to work the mouse or type. She is fat but not as fat as Mz. Lester who is so fat she could jump in the grand canyon and get stuck.
he should have used diff at the command line...
Eh...
No no no no! Both goodguys and badguys use both KDE and GNOME. But the truly bad guys try to start a flamewar by mentioning them in that way! :)
Heh. Nice one. ;-)
Good point, however, someone else already pointed out that their treatment of linux is a bit different than other films... that is, they actually mention it!
I haven't had a chance to research the movie much, but maybe the director is a linux (well, unix/gnome) buff and thought "hey, it'd be cool to use this in a movie instead of that obviously fake stuff everyone else has!". A minor point to most people, but it does (or could) raise the film up a bit more in the minds of geeks like us.
Even if they are doctored images, why are they doctored to look like the real thing, instead of the bastardizations that are normally seen, with 2" fonts and big flashing access denie messages? Seems to me if they were going to fake it they could make it look a lot cooler than the default gnome desktop...
Just great another movies about the media's portrayal of hax0rs. Level 9 which is another lame hax0r show uses what seems to be Windowsmaker and references the word script kiddies. I hope no one takes these shows and movies serious, else after the movie we'll see a flurry of AOL retards wanting to be '1337'
Redhat Spoof (script kiddiesh too)
360 degrees of Karma
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0218817
I see no reference to Miguel or John Hall.
If they're in it, they're uncredited cameos.
Mission Impossible #1 used Netscape for most of the
computer screen shots.
You've Got Mail had the typist reading their mail
out loud to themselves.
Jurassic Park #1 used VR flythoughs on a Silicon
Graphics with Connection Machines in the background.
War Games had speaking computer terminals.
Original Star Trek has a feminine speaking computer. However, Spock always seems to be looking
into a oscilloscope hood for readouts.
2001: Space Oddessy was most prescient. They had
video monitor graphics before computer graphics images was invented. The best at the time was stoking lines on an oscilloscope display.
Won't it be strange to see Gnome running on a Mac?
Remember Hackers where everyone was using a Mac? Or The Net where every computer must have had a 3D card and a T3? Hollywood is so full of shit.
Hungarian notation is ugly on an aesthetic level. This alone however is not enough to condemn it's usage.
There are however, better ways for a programer to find out the type of a variable or the definition of a function, namely just run ctags on all your code, and then use an editor that supports tag-based navigation (vim and emacs do, off the top of my head). This allows you to effortlessly jump to the thing's original spot o' definition, and back to where you were. I dare say this is easier to use (no decoding xyLDsTRdyQvariable_name anymore)... ;-)
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The link is here. (See the last paragraph at the bottom of the page).
It is too bad that the movie looks horribly contrived, poorly acted and scripted, etc, etc. It is "The Net Part II, The Boy"... looks lame. I'll wait until I find the DVD lying on the ground, then I'll have a coaster. Other than that, I'll pass.
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While you have a valid point about product placement, the original poster's point about choosing an OS based on movies or tv shows still stands, IMO. Yep, Gateway has a strong brand identity and placing it on tv shows and movies probably works as well as Coca-Cola or McDonald's, but...
This is kind of a different animal, isn't it? If there were redhat logos or some other readily identifiable image to create an advert 'impression', then yeah, I would probably agree. But this is a glimpse of a desktop that probably only people who are already familiar with will recognize. I don't think it's the same thing as having Kramer carry around a bucket of KFC.
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
Actually, the application she was using was an old IrisGL thing that some nut at sgi wrote to visualize a filesystem in 3D. I think that is also ran primarily on the OLD Crimson line, as a demonstration (before the Indigo2 came out). The height of the 3D bars represented how much space a directory tree occupied, and children of the directory were accessible from the top of the directory 'bar'. I'd give the link, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
Just like how the Mac boomed after "Independence Day" (Jeff Goldblum's character used a Mac laptop the entire movie)? (it didn't help mac a shred, in case you didn't know)
They even made Mac commercials on how it was in the movie. It didn't help.
Gnome in a movie really doesn't mean squat, because those that don't know what Linux or Gnome is, aren't going to all of a sudden realize it after this movie. Plus, people don't look at movies for computing advice...
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Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
The other repliers are all correct WRT it wasn't linux, it was IRIX, probably running on a Crimson (was the indy available then?). The program was called fsn and you can run it if you have a machine running IRIX 4.0.1 through 5.3.
It's interesting, becuase the childrens' interaction with the computer system got a lot of space in the book (proportionally way more than, what, 30 seconds or so in the movie). They actually had "screenshots" (in a sort of ncurses-ish way) in there to show what the kids were doing. Pretty interesting. (of course as a whole the book was a lot better than the movie but isn't that always the case?)
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actually it was "fsn" on an IRIX box
renders your file-system as 3d columns, where the ehight of the column has something to do with the size of the file/directory. You fly around in the fs and can click on things.
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Oh man, I hope I never acutally pay to see a movie where I watch someone code. Oh crap, he didn't terminate his statement, the killer is going to get him now......
I don't hate to admit it, I don't have to. I hate it. It's a personal preference thing - some (very few) like it, the majority don't. In fact, I've yet to see the source to a GPL'ed program which uses Hungarian Notation. Counter examples welcome.
Mr Torvalds' personal perference can be found in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle:
C is a Spartan language, and so should your naming be. Unlike Modula-2 and Pascal programmers, C programmers do not use cute names like ThisVariableIsATemporaryCounter. A C programmer would call that variable "tmp", which is much easier to write, and not the least more difficult to understand.
Encoding the type of a function into the name (so-called Hungarian notation) is brain damaged - the compiler knows the types anyway and can check those, and it only confuses the programmer. No wonder MicroSoft makes buggy programs.
--- Hot Shot City is particularly good.
To me it looks like the configuration of Gnome used in that movie, is an ugly inefficient out of the box type configuration.
Which shows that the characters aren't *that* l337.
This isn't any different than selling a distribution. GNOME is free software, no one has to pay anything. If they modified the code, they probably have to release that (I'm not sure if any modifications would be considered "in house" or not).
Here's a link to an MPEG trailer:
ftp://jk1.net/pub/antitrust.mpg
This picture makes it look like Scott McNealy of Sun makes a cameo as well.
Somebody please, tell this machine I'm not a machine.
Anyone know what 'skullbocks' are? I'm assuming I'm just not hip/tech enough to know what this means. ;-)
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
Wow. That will have a huge impact on Gnome usership, I'm sure.
Has anyone checked out the special features page on antitrust's website? Now I gotta go see this movie.
Movies cost 9.50 in Manhattan and already I use GNOME. Before I lay down a ten spot, I have to see images off something I dont stare at all day.
Or, I could just watch the DivX;)
Never underestimate a broke Linux user.
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In the file comparison screenshot, there's Windows code in the background. GetDlgItemText()? Hmf.
Oh, no. What have I done? What am I doing? What will I do?
Well, I'm not too sure about them using GNOME as their desktop, but if they are, they must like developing Windows applications under Unix. See the "GetDlgItemText" in there?
- vir sine vestibus
Not just movies and TV. Print adverts as well. Whenever there's an ad for some kind of computer related product (DSL, webpage, etc), and the ad company decides to use a 'screenshot', most of the time it's an Mac screenshot. This is because most of the design companies use Macs for their designing.
Everyone knows that most people use Windows, so you'd think they'd use a Windows theme...
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When I was at Thinking Machines, they took the entire company to see Jurassic Park. What was more interesting to us was when the ubergeek bragged about networking together 8 Connection Machines (actually, they were just the cabinets, no processors; I don't remember, but they were probably running the random & pleasing blinkenlights hack that was floating around).
I'd suspect that you're kinda wrong about this one. Computer makers (I'm talking mostly hardware here) pour big bucks into television for product placement. Every computer on ER has a Gateway logo on it. Every time someone on that show is putting something into a box, it's got cow spots. Drew Carrey hauls an i-book around with him on his shows. Guess what... It's not an accident. Someone must think that it's worth the money.
On the other hand, graphic designers love macs. Pretty much every (screen shot|simulated screen shot|I want this to look high tech) graphic you see in print ads has MacOS widgets in it. You even see this in ads for MS products sometimes. Overall, I'd that that that hasn't convinced all that many people to switch from windows.
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No, but this definately puts to end the desktop wars!! This of it! GNOME got into the movies!!! Hahaha.. KDE doesn't stand a chance anymore...
(Humor impaired need not bother.)
I doubt, therefore I may be.
I have a feeling the writers are anime fans.
Call on God, but row AWAY from the rocks!
Ever notice how it's always Macs being used on TV and the movies, even if the outside is usually an x86 PC?
(P.S. please don't ruin this by mentioning that you CAN run GNOME on Windows now -- thank you)
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...found elsewhere....
like here:
ftp://jk1.net/pub/antitrust.mpg
>by looking at a 3rd party GUI tool running on linux and immediately identified it as unix
Actually, if I remember correctly, the system was running IRIX (a UNIX that runs on SGI systems), not linux (which was still in relative infancy in 1993, when Jurassic Park came out).
Still, it probably confused a heck of a lot of people who DID know UNIX, and didn't recognize the gui.
For those of you who don't remember, the televsion show Level 9 has been using Enlightenment on its futuristic-looking consoles since the show began, but it hasn't helped ratings too much. We may like seeing our egos massaged on tv when they use our stuff, but we're not willing to do our part to say thanks, it seems. I only hope the boxoffice sales for this new venture reflect a wiser assessment of our community.
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Will somebody please explain to me what this movie has to do with Open Source, and why there are biographies of John Hall and Miguel de Icaza, on the site? Is this movie modeled on real events or something? That site is just incoherent.
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- Monty Python meets the Matrix
I know Unix!
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Not to put too blunt of a point on it, but --This doesn't mean squat. In the early 1990's the Amiga community rallied around all of the movies/tv shows (Wayne's World 2, Sea Quest, Babylon 5, etc...) that either featured Amigas/Video Toasters or used them in their production. The newsgroups were *ripe* with uninformed comments like: "Ooooo, the world will finally see that Amiga is better." "Oh won't those Mac/Windows users be jealous!" "I bet C= got a lot of money for that---We're Saved!!!" A lot of damn good it did them, huh? The world doesn't care what OS/Window manager is used in a movie. Heck the masses (read, anyone that doesn't normally read Slashdot) could care less if the computer is running a real OS or if it is just a conventient, if fictious, plot device. Having Unix & Gnome (or is it actually Linux & Gnome?) prominently featured in this movie will amount to absolutely nothing.
Warning: rant starting
Tim Robbins was great in The Shawshank Redemption and all, but I have a hard time believing that idiot could run a neighborhood reading group, let alone be an Evil Corporate Execitive. In the scenes shown during the previews, he does everything short of mustache twirling to make sure you know he is a bad guy.
Just once, it would be nice to see a high-tech thriller that is not completely built around the Baby Boom Generation's irrational fear of computers, corporations, and/or suburban life.
What these Hollywood dicks fail to see is that normal Americans, especially young people who go to a lot of movies, don't fear technology. At all. Even if some nefarious Evil CEO(TM) wanted to sneak a camera into my PC, how would an actual hacker kid react? "Yay! Free camera! I bet I can hack this!"
Out here in the real world, corporations don't give a shit about who you are our what you are doing. They only care about what they can sell you and how much you will pay for it.
Every year, Hollywood makes another crop of movies to tell us that the Star Chambers of Wall Street are out to destroy us... but most of us know that Corporation is the river by which wealth and prosperity flow to us. Without corporations, there would be no Hollywood productions to complain about them, and no customers with enough money to go to the movies. So shut the hell up, Tim Robbins. Nobody cares about what frightens you.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
On the contrary, I believe this means Linux is still NOT mainstream.
You can use GNOME because who the hell outside of a small 5percent of the computer world has ever seen it?
says to me they wanted something possibly with a windows-esque look taht is fresh and different. Just one possible viewpoint but a pretty decent one... anyways
Jeremy
Or, heck, a version of the trailer that isn't in Quicktime? (not that they can't be found elsewhere, I suppose..)
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Come on folks, anyone who has seen "Hackers" and "Independence Day" knows that 1337 h4xx0rs use Macs. Hell, they can even hack into alien motherships (due to the convenient Firewire ports placed in all alien fighter ships), uploading the dreaded "Jolly Roger" code (written in AppleScript) into the system (which presumably runs Mac OSX Server).
They chose Linux because it's very developer-friendly, so that they can easily code the big window with giant red letters that says "ACCESS DENIED". (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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Like so many other films these days (Sixth Day, for instance), this one was filmed, at least in part, in Vancouver. The huge toy-like scultures of computer parts and the cyllindrical building were all filmed on campus at the University of British Columbia.
:-)
Chalk up another point for Hollywood North.
New movie...
Heavy UNIX ties...
Gnome Desktop...
and a trailer in a format that can't be played on UNIX.
Maybe they're just trying to make a point...
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The Amiga community used to go gaga over TV shows/movies that either featured Amigas, or used Amigas in their production. SeaQuest, Babylon 5, and WaynesWorld 2 are 3 big ones that had the community all hyped up: "ooo the world will see that this is the best platform now." "Ooooh, won't those Mac/Windows users be jealous!" "ooo, Commodore is probably getting a lot of money for this -- We're SAVED!" Gee, where is that community now? It doesn't mean diddly-squat, people.
This doesn't have anything much to do with GNOME, but I found all the Sun logos intruiging...
Sun has something to do with Gnome. Eventually you will be able to use it on Slowaris. Don't think it's supported yet though.
If you are even mildly currious you can find out more Here
Does this mean that RMS will go ape crazy on their asses for not GPL'ing the movie because it includes GNOME (and GPL'ed code)?
End the insanity!
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you think they would have chose a middle grownd. would be funny if the trailer was in windows media. its still funny that anyone running anything other than Mac or Windows still can't see the trailer. If they really knew anything about the antitrust they would use real media.
ahh, its hopeless the whole world is already brain washed... time to move to mars.
This has been said before about earlier movies, but NO movie director would put a real computer system in front of actors. Its screenshots of Gnome, doctored up by a graphic designer and written into director-style animations, so all the actor needs to do to interact with it is hit a key to go to the next frame or animation sequence.
Goddamn fucking thing won't work with Windows!!
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Usually in films it is the big commercial offerings that get this sort of product placement, and the Directors don't mind, because expensive things are sexy status symbols (I fell for my last boyfriend because fo his car, so it is probably a bad mistake to make ;).
But for Linux, it is important that it try and be sexy to appeal to the vacant audience that Windows and Macintosh so succesfully manages. When it gets sexy enough, lots more people should start using it. People are stupid that way ;)
--Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The
Actually, she was referring to the SGI Indigo box that she was on, not the Mac beside it.
IIRC, that was the fusion directory surfer app that she was using.
-Vel
fuck this shit.
I hate to run this for you, but you can run VMWare under windows 2000. Then put Linux on VMWare, and then run GNOME on the VMWare Linux. Or even better, port XFree86 to Win 2000,and then run GNOME on it.... :-)
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Let's see. The movie is being put out, in part, by RSA Security Systems; the script involves a dashing young computer geek with an artist girlfriend; and the GNOME shots, with a possible Miguel cameo, get the Slashdot crowd.
Do you think they may be aiming for a certain demographic? Hm?
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The link has an interview with Jon Hall about Linux and open source in the special features section. His responses are in quicktime format. This seem odd to anyone?
...Why are the downloads (screen savers - the background stuff is trivial) only for Mac and Windoze? It just would have made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside if they also had a Linux/Unix download section too. But why remember the *nix users, when Gnome/Linux (or some other Unix flavor)/Open Source are the selling points of the film. Sigh.
Maybe you have noticed in the 3rd screenshot that in the background there is Windows C code (at least, as I recall, GetDlgItemText and a variable called hDlg look suspicious)... looks like they've screwed it up... which means, whoever did it can't be a true geek :)
I went to see a movie last night (Miss Congeniality, very funny) and they showed the trailer for Antitrust. One of the guys who is standing around the computer watching the press conference is wearing a "code poet" shirt from Thinkgeek.
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I guess they only figured out that Linux was cool after they tried to forbid Free DVD software...? They _are_ part of the MPAA. Too bad the target audience won't be able to view this movie once it's kicked out of the bioses. Dehh.
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I saw the trailer for Antitrust the last time I was in the theater, and I immediately noticed the telltale Gnome foot in the bottom left screen. After going to the website and seeing the bio on John Hall, I realized that this had the potential to be a halfway decent geek movie like Sneakers, and not total crap like The Net or Hackers. The trailer can be viewed (Quicktime, high-speed connection needed) here
Mike.
--Ask a silly person, get a silly answer.
Remember that the dollars you give the studio when you go to the theatre are being used to lobby for laws like the DMCA, wage lawsuits like MPAA vs. Eric Corley, and lobby the FCC on copy-controls for digital broadcasts (just to name a few of the more well-known examples of the ways the MPAA members are attempting to limit your freedom).
Let's not give these pricks the chance to use our own money against us.
-Isaac
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
A number of us have been looking forward to this movie for almost a year!
You see, it was filmed on the campus of the University of Britich Columbia in Vancouver, BC, Canada. It was quite entertaining watching them film it. We all got a good laugh over the giant monitor and keyboard sticking out of the ground by one of the arts buildings.
As well, the large white building with the glowing "Computer Science Department" sign is actually our CS department! Unfortunately they didn't leave that nice glowing sign. =)
Anyhow, it sounds like a typical lame movie plot line, but who knows, it could actually turn out to be cool!
We're definately going to see it when it comes out, and will be playing "spot the UBC building" through the entire movie.
Cool to see Gnome was used in it too! I only wish we actually HAD linux machines available for student use.... well, we will in about 2 months, but that's another story. =)
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Since most movies, nowadays, are all into "corporate sponsorship" (read: Selling Out), I was just wondering if someone from the linux community actually paid to have a linux based X-client as part of the movie?
hmmmm?
RedHat should pay Fox to load Gnome up on Dana Scully's laptop with custom themes for GTK and Sawfish and then make those themes available either on Fox's home page or RedHat's (Or both.) It'd be some killer advertising, IMHO.
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Yeah i remember that line, its funny though, the girl in jurrassic park identified unix by looking at a 3rd party GUI tool running on linux and immediately identified it as unix. She was then able to immediately use that application to achieve tasks that the systems designers couldnt do 5 minutes earlier, seems all unix apps are intuitive after all.
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I hope Bill Gates sues the pants off those clowns.
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hmm... I'll have to go check out this movie now.
The good guys use KDE, the bad guys use GNOME.
It is obvious from the trailers of this movie that the people behind it were Linux and/or Mac zealots. The lack of BeOS zealots (which would also make for a more neutral anti-MS OS) is due to the fact that they don't have to be jealous of ANYONE ELSE's operating system.
;-)
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