Most of the time. But interestingly, you don't often see fast horizontal pans in Cinema movies because they look like crap due to the slow framerate. Check out the scene in Matrix 2 where the camera pans over all the Smiths. The scene looks really, really weird.
So yeah, you're right, of course, movies are 24 fps. That doesn't mean that they always manage to fool the eye:-)
I agree. I simply can't watch TV anymore. Watching TV just feels as if I was slowly killing myself, in a really, really painful way. Even YouTube is better than most of the crap that is on TV, and those things I actually want to watch (I admit, I do like 24), I download because it's just easier than trying to watch it on TV.
The Internet and game consoles have replaced TV for me.
Yes, they added options to consoles that weren't there before, they took chances. And when it comes to the internal hardware Sega and Sony were quite willing to innovate and take risks.
I thought we were talking about innovations, not about taking risks. That's not the same thing.
Nintendo is a very risk averse company, especially in NTSC U/C territory.
True, but see above, being risk averse does not mean that you aren't innovative. Quite the opposite, in fact. The biggest risk for Nintendo is to stagnate.
Ah, true, there was a Mario remake on the GB (Super Mario Deluxe) and two on the GBA (SMB 2 and 3). I forgot about those.
Super Mario World, however, was not remade. It's the SNES version with some very small changes (Luigi controls different, and I guess the graphics were adapted to the smaller resolution).
Same applies to Mario 64 on the DS. While there are some changes to the N64 version, it's not really a remake.
Now, do I have to go through the VC remakes and the spinoffs' remakes, or will you just accept as fact that Nintendo makes a lot of remakes?
No. Again, re-releasing a game on the VC does not a remake make.
I didn't say it was a bad thing, or a problem, or that I had issues with it. I was just replying to someobdy claiming that "Zelda isn't exactly feeling it's roots lately either."
Zelda is the most consistent of all Nintendo franchises. In fact, pretty much each game is the same story again and again, with a new, reborn Link (apart from some games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening).
As a matter of fact, I would wager that Zelda's whole universe - there haven't been any actual sequels since the NES days, to my knowledge
I thinkt he Link in Majora's Mask is the same as the one in Ocarina of Time, and I think the one from Link's Awakening is the same as the one in A Link to the Past, but I might be wrong. So those could possibly be considered sequels. Although again, I could be wrong.
Also, Wind Waker and the DS one seem to be related.
Well, Apple fanboys ARE stupid when it comes to what they get for the price asked, atleast over here in Sweden. And I'm talking computers now, not telephones, music players or network equipment, thought I would never buy an iPod either.
Yeah. Buying what is the best tool for your particular job is so stupid. Do you realize how ironic it is to call Apple customers "fanboys," while also calling them "stupid" for choosing Apple and claiming that you "would never buy an iPod"? Who's the fanboy here?
Well, Apple was involved since they thought it was the iPhone's fault. Whether or not it ended up that the iPhone actually was included is unclear (even though it seems likely).
Uh huh. Because you've never made a mistake or misdiagnosed a problem when something is broken and your entire customer base is screaming at you to fix it.
I never gave interviews on national media about it.
I agree with you, except for one thing: how the hell did an IT issue at a university turn into a national news story after a few days of debugging with quotes from the techies involved? There's nothing wrong with what they did from a tech side. They thought it was the iPhone. No problem, it was the logical conclusion at that time. But how did the media get a hold of this? Who thought it was a good idea to let the media interview the techies?
Updating my P990i is an absolute pain in the ass. I can't even do it on my Mac. Well, better than the P800, I guess. To update the firmware on this one, you had to go to a shop, and they'd delete all the data on your phone.
Yeah, I can see how you're confused, because all the news outlets reporting about how the iPhone destroyed Duke's network did not bother to report that it was all made-up crap.
Cisco worked closely with Duke and Apple to identify the source of this problem, which was caused by a Cisco-based network issue. Cisco has provided a fix that has been applied to Duke's network and there have been no recurrences of the problem since.
Maybe at least/. could bother to retract the story?
Nah, who cares, it's just your usualy weekly Apple bashing.
No. I said I don't have time to play through 100-hour epics anymore. I didn't say simple games were better, just that I play them, and I don't play many complex games anymore. It's not better or worse, but for me, having more simple games is a good thing.
So Grand epics are bad now?
No, see above. They are not bad, I just don't have time to play them, so I'm happy with getting more simple games.
Frankly, after living though a decade of games where the only story was in the manual, i've taken quite a likening to modern games.
Good for you. Or actually, bad for you, because it seems investing tens of millions of dollars into these games isn't sustainable for most publishers:-)
The wii is an interesting system, but its focus on simple games feels so boring to me. I want my adventures, my dramas, my action packed blockbusters. I want games that try to be art, that tell complex plots, that keep me remembering them for years after the fact. I just don't see alot of that on the wii. It feels like a giant step back for the industry.
There are not a lot of games on the Wii, yet, at all. And obviously, the epic games don't appear during the beginning of a system's lifetime. I think the Wii will get its fair share of epic games, but obviously, there will be less of them if developers invest more money in casual games. As I said, I'm fine with that, because I don't have time to play through all those epic games.
Come on. There's nothing wrong with Sega or Sony. They've done great things for console gaming. But are you seriously claiming that Sega and Sony are more innovative than Nintendo, and trying to prove it with that list? You found five innovative things from Sega, among them a web browser and an ethernet connector? Eight things from Sony, among them a the innovation of including two analog sticks instead of one, running Linux on a console (twice), and a camera?
Maybe you're right. Maybe Sega and Sony were more innovative than Nintendo, despite being in the business for half as long. Unfortunately, your list most certainly doesn't show any of these innovations.
So except for the plot and all the graphics it's the same game? That seems a stretch...
Well yeah, there are also some new items, but apart from that, the gameplay, the graphic style, the kind of puzzles you solve, the concept of overworld/dungeons and reaching new powers to reach new areas, and so on, that's all straight from Zelda 64.
If the Wii comes to completely dominate the industry, there's a good chance a lot of really first-rate, complicated, serious games will never be released, in favor of hundreds of Wii sports clones.
You say that as if it was a bad thing. I love Wii Sports and I'd gladly buy version 2 or a few well-made clones, yet I don't have time to play through dozens of FF-type games each year. I'd be happy if that change occured.
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I think this is one of these weird posts from the past. Probably some kind of /. wormhole or something?
You're just asking for it, huh? Okay: HEDWIG DIES!!! :-)
What the heck is "high art"?
No, they don't. They may choose from a number of predefined outcomes, but in the end, the outcomes are controlled by the writer.
Most of the time. But interestingly, you don't often see fast horizontal pans in Cinema movies because they look like crap due to the slow framerate. Check out the scene in Matrix 2 where the camera pans over all the Smiths. The scene looks really, really weird.
So yeah, you're right, of course, movies are 24 fps. That doesn't mean that they always manage to fool the eye :-)
I agree. I simply can't watch TV anymore. Watching TV just feels as if I was slowly killing myself, in a really, really painful way. Even YouTube is better than most of the crap that is on TV, and those things I actually want to watch (I admit, I do like 24), I download because it's just easier than trying to watch it on TV.
The Internet and game consoles have replaced TV for me.
Damn, you stole my comment :-)
I agree. Kids who play Wii Tennis while sitting down? Unheard of! Until now, of course.
I thought we were talking about innovations, not about taking risks. That's not the same thing.
Nintendo is a very risk averse company, especially in NTSC U/C territory.True, but see above, being risk averse does not mean that you aren't innovative. Quite the opposite, in fact. The biggest risk for Nintendo is to stagnate.
No :-)
The first Zelda, Zelda 2, and A Link to the Past were remade on GBA, and Ocarina of Time was remade on Gamecube. Then, they re-remade Ocarina, Zelda, and Zelda 2 along with Majora's Mask on the Gamecube. Then, we got those re-remade, again, on Wii's Virtual Console.These games were not remakes. None of them. Nintendo released the exact same old versions on new consoles. They didn't remake them.
Mario? Well, SMB was remade on GB Color, and then re-remade on GBA.Ah, true, there was a Mario remake on the GB (Super Mario Deluxe) and two on the GBA (SMB 2 and 3). I forgot about those.
Super Mario World, however, was not remade. It's the SNES version with some very small changes (Luigi controls different, and I guess the graphics were adapted to the smaller resolution).
Same applies to Mario 64 on the DS. While there are some changes to the N64 version, it's not really a remake.
Now, do I have to go through the VC remakes and the spinoffs' remakes, or will you just accept as fact that Nintendo makes a lot of remakes?No. Again, re-releasing a game on the VC does not a remake make.
I didn't say it was a bad thing, or a problem, or that I had issues with it. I was just replying to someobdy claiming that "Zelda isn't exactly feeling it's roots lately either."
Zelda is the most consistent of all Nintendo franchises. In fact, pretty much each game is the same story again and again, with a new, reborn Link (apart from some games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening).
As a matter of fact, I would wager that Zelda's whole universe - there haven't been any actual sequels since the NES days, to my knowledgeI thinkt he Link in Majora's Mask is the same as the one in Ocarina of Time, and I think the one from Link's Awakening is the same as the one in A Link to the Past, but I might be wrong. So those could possibly be considered sequels. Although again, I could be wrong.
Also, Wind Waker and the DS one seem to be related.
Yeah. Buying what is the best tool for your particular job is so stupid. Do you realize how ironic it is to call Apple customers "fanboys," while also calling them "stupid" for choosing Apple and claiming that you "would never buy an iPod"? Who's the fanboy here?
Well, Apple was involved since they thought it was the iPhone's fault. Whether or not it ended up that the iPhone actually was included is unclear (even though it seems likely).
I never gave interviews on national media about it.
I agree with you, except for one thing: how the hell did an IT issue at a university turn into a national news story after a few days of debugging with quotes from the techies involved? There's nothing wrong with what they did from a tech side. They thought it was the iPhone. No problem, it was the logical conclusion at that time. But how did the media get a hold of this? Who thought it was a good idea to let the media interview the techies?
I stand corrected :-)
Updating my P990i is an absolute pain in the ass. I can't even do it on my Mac. Well, better than the P800, I guess. To update the firmware on this one, you had to go to a shop, and they'd delete all the data on your phone.
Because then nobody would ever program a device.
Yeah, I can see how you're confused, because all the news outlets reporting about how the iPhone destroyed Duke's network did not bother to report that it was all made-up crap.
Last week:
This week:
Maybe at least /. could bother to retract the story?
Nah, who cares, it's just your usualy weekly Apple bashing.
no one buys the Wii for the Wii itself, they buy it for the games...
Uh, yeah, that is obvious. Why are you telling me that?
No. I said I don't have time to play through 100-hour epics anymore. I didn't say simple games were better, just that I play them, and I don't play many complex games anymore. It's not better or worse, but for me, having more simple games is a good thing.
So Grand epics are bad now?No, see above. They are not bad, I just don't have time to play them, so I'm happy with getting more simple games.
Frankly, after living though a decade of games where the only story was in the manual, i've taken quite a likening to modern games.Good for you. Or actually, bad for you, because it seems investing tens of millions of dollars into these games isn't sustainable for most publishers :-)
The wii is an interesting system, but its focus on simple games feels so boring to me. I want my adventures, my dramas, my action packed blockbusters. I want games that try to be art, that tell complex plots, that keep me remembering them for years after the fact. I just don't see alot of that on the wii. It feels like a giant step back for the industry.There are not a lot of games on the Wii, yet, at all. And obviously, the epic games don't appear during the beginning of a system's lifetime. I think the Wii will get its fair share of epic games, but obviously, there will be less of them if developers invest more money in casual games. As I said, I'm fine with that, because I don't have time to play through all those epic games.
Come on. There's nothing wrong with Sega or Sony. They've done great things for console gaming. But are you seriously claiming that Sega and Sony are more innovative than Nintendo, and trying to prove it with that list? You found five innovative things from Sega, among them a web browser and an ethernet connector? Eight things from Sony, among them a the innovation of including two analog sticks instead of one, running Linux on a console (twice), and a camera?
Maybe you're right. Maybe Sega and Sony were more innovative than Nintendo, despite being in the business for half as long. Unfortunately, your list most certainly doesn't show any of these innovations.
Well yeah, there are also some new items, but apart from that, the gameplay, the graphic style, the kind of puzzles you solve, the concept of overworld/dungeons and reaching new powers to reach new areas, and so on, that's all straight from Zelda 64.
Wii Power Glove :-)
Thousands of "the Wii is just a fad, [PS3|360] will win this war in the end" comments disagree with you.
You say that as if it was a bad thing. I love Wii Sports and I'd gladly buy version 2 or a few well-made clones, yet I don't have time to play through dozens of FF-type games each year. I'd be happy if that change occured.