Older VME bus systems, like the Sun 4/260, were made of sturdy enough materials, enough to faciliate sexual intercourse of even the most vigerious nature.
I don't see that possible in a cardboard case. The crushing action and an AGP card in the butt i'd imagine, for most, would be a serious turn off.
I can actually see this as being useful for design and layout, esp in cases where someone wanted to design their own case in fiberglass, wood, or other non stock material. A cardboard cutout of exactly what you want with accurate specificiations would be most valuable.
Not to speak of using a decent primer and a flex adheasive paint and actually having something ultra light weight as a display model.
While any form of media backup is better then none, why settle for one standard?
Everyone here seems to be speaking of analog video tape, and DVD/CD media, but no one seem to have brought up good old fassioned 4mm/8mm backup tape. The figures I get quoted for 4mm tape (unknown accuracy) 100 backups and a shelf life of 30 years (10 years tested).
Assuming VCD, the downloads lately have been about 430megs/42min of video... so roughly 615megs/hr.. this would be 440gigs of data.
A DDS-4 4mm tape will store roughly 20gigs of data uncompressed @ $10 per tape, or roughly 33 hours per tape, 22 tapes for 440gigs.
Media cost about $220, drive cost... $414. Media cost about 50cents per gig
Compair to cheepo DVD @ roughly $2.00 per disk 42cents per gig Or CD media @ roughly.25cents / disk (roughly 39 cents per gig) ------
Why would one even consider spending more money on 4mm tape for example? With 4mm tape at least you have the physical equilivent of 4 4.7meg DVDs per tape or the equilivent of 31cds. You have the ability 5 / 10 years down the road to copy your data to another format by swaping out what is presently roughly 22 tapes to another decent realativly low cost archival format.
More data per unit = less swapping = less time to convert over to the next backup.
VCD was used as a convienent example, your this figure will go up or down depending on the choice of encoding.
DVD-R is a nice development, but it's yet to prove itself as a viable archival format, IMHO.
I don't honestly have the archivial figures, but i'd imagine that it would indeed be a solid 10 years. I remember sys-admins often reccomended DVD-r over CD-r as the cost of 10 year archival media for CD-r was 5 year, where DVD-r was 10, but I honesty don't know for sure.
But I do know this... You can copy DVD without (much) loss, and this process can be automated to duplicate faster then real time. While I presently don't know of a resorce for a multi-disk DVD-r drive, it's clear that the cost to create one would be lower then any other, "taped" standard.
I wonder if anyone has ever attempted the "I own it on _______ (insert out of date format of your choice) and thus I should be entitled to download this mp3 of that song" defense
In concept, it's a very good defence. You bought it, you *should* have a license for it. However, the RIAA disagress with that, based under the assumption that the end user could get something better then they purchaced.
In fact I'm not in posession of a turntable of any kind right now
Well, that would be a damn good reason for you not to beable to get a good vinyl rip. As far as not knowing how to do it, that's no excuse. Just about all operating systems offer some form of recording device... i've used cooledit under windows my self as it had a few extra features. It's filtering out the extra noise that's the pain in the butt.
As far as owning one, it's reccomended, considering they are dirt cheep at goodwill.
I bought mine for about $10.00... it needed a new needle and stylus as well, most of them at goodwill are either among the missing or bad. Starting price at RatShack is pretty cheep, and they also have full cartrages with needles... I think mine was like $20 or so. If you have a traditional Amp that has phono inputs and tape outputs, this will do just dandy. Otherwise $24.00 what ratshack charges, though i've also observed you can get stand alone amps / recievers at goodwill for about that price as well.
In my case, it was a $30.00 investment (turn table & cartrage) , but I do have vinyl that just can't be replaced, not even on P2P networks. The sound is brillent, and my backups are most acceptable.
Why should you do this? Well gives you more tracks to share on p2p!
Shockingly enough, vinyl was a decent standard for audio, with the only issue that it degrades per each play, and costs to operate in the form of replacement needles. When you hear a first generation copy of the Allen Parson's Project - I robot you'll see what I mean. If you don't believe me, search kazza with the terms, "vinyl rip".
I fully agree that people by their very nature are not thieves. Itunes is providing a service that people are willing to pay for, and this I think is terrific?
Metalica pointed out one valuable thing back in their napster argument, the fact that end users have the ability to make (almost) perfect digital copies of their music, why would they buy the CD.
Why indeed
Given that people are not thieves, and any old joe can copy a CD... Why not actually legalize the private trading of music, and people who want to actually *support* the respective bands can send in money to get the offical label to put on their CD-r, offical case, and perhaps even a bumper sticker or a t-shirt.
Ye' old record store could even distrubute and provide facilities to this end. It seems like the perfect way, to me, to merge the new and old business models.
What the track.99 Want the offical cd $15.00 Want a home brew solution but offical fly leaf and label? who knows?
It's nice to see research regarding a disease that "KILLS HUMANS WELL" put in the public domain, research that should be in the world's best interest to be public domain, and not nessicarly the IP property of specific companies. If only the same logic was applied to AIDS back in the 80's.
I'm all for people making a profit from research, but it becomes immoral to put the bottom line above human life in order to profit.
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Phase one of possible legalization of pot in america is not complete, this being it's legalization for medial purposes. I'm only familar with some aspects of Canada's pot program, like for example legal to grew if you have a license, unlike western america where you can get a perscription for it, but you can't buy it.
But reducing marijuana posession to a ticketable offence is reasonable in my minds eye. Less reason to invade someone's privacy, and don't have extreem cases like the Eggleston in tacoma [http://goldwingtom.com/ourtake/eggleston.html]. Given that some regions do permit it for medical use, there is legit reasons why you might have it about. But how this connects to terrorism is beyond me.
But as far as canada carring more about libraries then we do, they probally do, it's one of the nice things about visiting that nation. How this relates to terrorism is beyond me as... anyone who's only means of communicating an idea is terror is not going to be the type of person who visits a library! If we had trully inteligent terrorists, the body count would be much higher!
the front of software patents and IP, I tend to divide rights into those that are inherent, and those that are granted. Inherent rights are those that cannot be taken away: the right to travel, the right to work, the right to property, the right to learn, the right to think or believe as you choose..
Why have granted rights? Well, a country with inherent rights and much charity doesn't need granted rights -- but I have yet to see that happen.
You feel that politics, IP laws, and patent infringement is denying our access to 90% of the mater in the universe, and because our respective nations grant us rights to much in the way of matter in the universe. Interesting theory, I imagine the RIAA and MPAA have something to do with this, the fact that they both feel they have exclusive rights to distrubute matter.
I agree it would be nice if we were able to gain access to matter for just a small monthly fee, and have the right to compress our matter as we choose.
based on our current understanding of the universe there are
1. Things that matter 2. Things that don't matter 3. Things that are mattering
We need to determine wether or not this missing mater matters, or does not matter. If it indeed does matter or is matering, we have a bunch of confused astrometers on our hands.
So what you are saying is of hollywood would actually put their bucks into talent, in the form of writers, actors, directors, and actually come out with material worth paying for, rather then trying to lobby for more restrictions on how we go for entertainment.
That trick never works --Rocky the flying squirel
Or, are you saying that putting these heavy restrictions on what can only be described as *recording devices* only hurts students of theater/movie production, and that only through experimentation do we have any hope of achieving an inovative idea.
They bought the vinyl They bought the 8-track for their car They bought the cassette cause the 8-track broke They bought the CD cause their new car only has a CD player
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How many times do you have to buy it before you own it? I'd say a serious kickback if your old media broke,esp if it was a 8-track!
Dude, you must have a sucky pre-amp. Most users of record players who complain about sucky sound don't realize that you need to adapt vinyl output to line level so your sound card can accept it. Otherwise, get a new needle.
From a moral perspective, I agree with you, but alas the RIAA does not. You can create a backup for your own use, but you can't for example, claim that a mp3 ripped from a CD is your backup. While you can argue about which is the superior format, you can't argue that CD can be done with low loss.
If this was all that was needed, then joe blow could go into their local flea market and buy crappy scratched up vinyl at 10 cents a pop and claim they have a license to a duplicate CD.
Now, if you hunted kazza for vinyl rips, they would be hard pressed to prove you didn't do it your self. They do exist actually. There are atleast a few people that think it's important to preserve music. That's why it's always imporant when you rip, label it properly!
I have NO problems creating backup CDs of my legacy vinyl that sound pretty damn good. In many cases, I have no choice as alot of it is out of print and not available on CD.
Now I have no moral issues with someone who actually bought the vinyl, tape, 8track, whatever... someone who I personaly consider to have a legit license to a particular album getting a backup elsewhere in the event their media is warn. I esp have no moralistic issues for 8track as you can't buy the players new anymore, and chances are the sucker broke cause there was no disclaimer about proper player maintance.
Great! In other news, RIAA proposes a tax on candles stating that, "wax cylinders are are of the earliest recording technoligies, and we are in danger of loosing valuable dollars with this presently unrestricted technology". Also on record, "Candles can be used to create recordings with very low technology, and we can't allow this." This form of piracy has the record companies scared as they tend to burn well destroying all evidence.
RIAA also plans to sue a little girl in Beaverton Oregon for recording, "Mary had a Little Lamb".
.... Like pull the damn thing out, roots and all. No expense of chemical agents, no breeding of resistant weed species
With the exception of the fact that they require some form of engery to operate that impacts the enviroment in someway. Unless you are on solar power, the robot would be powered by some form of engery, wether it be combustion or electrical based. With the exception of robot hydrolics / lubercants which might possibly contaminate the soil.
Not that I don't agree with you, I would say targeting weeds and pulling them is a good idea, but requires a much more sturdy device then one which rolls around and shoots a spray. I'm willing to lay odds that halling out weeds is going to be more mass then grams of fluid per plant required to kill a target.
To resolve the problem of using something *toxic* to humans, why not go for a more elegent approach. Cook the weed, in the ground. Assuming chemical combustion, use waste heat to generate steam, steam the weed nice and toasty. Still grams of fluid per weed, but hey. Or Microwave the weed, cook it till it's dead! Don't know how many watts it would take to cook one, but resolves the issue of having to hall out and dispose of this organic waste, and in theory doesn't leave anything trully toxic in the ground.
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Older VME bus systems, like the Sun 4/260, were made of sturdy enough materials, enough to faciliate sexual intercourse of even the most vigerious nature.
I don't see that possible in a cardboard case. The crushing action and an AGP card in the butt i'd imagine, for most, would be a serious turn off.
Aluminum foil?
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Metalic paint?
Wire mesh?
There are a number of ways to resolve that issue, but so long as you are not shipping with a power supply, it's not an electrical device
I can actually see this as being useful for design and layout, esp in cases where someone wanted to design their own case in fiberglass, wood, or other non stock material. A cardboard cutout of exactly what you want with accurate specificiations would be most valuable.
Not to speak of using a decent primer and a flex adheasive paint and actually having something ultra light weight as a display model.
While any form of media backup is better then none, why settle for one standard?
.25cents / disk (roughly 39 cents per gig)
Everyone here seems to be speaking of analog video tape, and DVD/CD media, but no one seem to have brought up good old fassioned 4mm/8mm backup tape. The figures I get quoted for 4mm tape (unknown accuracy) 100 backups and a shelf life of 30 years (10 years tested).
Assuming VCD, the downloads lately have been about 430megs/42min of video... so roughly 615megs/hr.. this would be 440gigs of data.
A DDS-4 4mm tape will store roughly 20gigs of data uncompressed @ $10 per tape, or roughly 33 hours per tape, 22 tapes for 440gigs.
Media cost about $220, drive cost... $414.
Media cost about 50cents per gig
Compair to cheepo DVD @ roughly $2.00 per disk
42cents per gig
Or CD media @ roughly
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Why would one even consider spending more money on 4mm tape for example? With 4mm tape at least you have the physical equilivent of 4 4.7meg DVDs per tape or the equilivent of 31cds. You have the ability 5 / 10 years down the road to copy your data to another format by swaping out what is presently roughly 22 tapes to another decent realativly low cost archival format.
More data per unit = less swapping = less time to convert over to the next backup.
VCD was used as a convienent example, your this figure will go up or down depending on the choice of encoding.
As in perhaps a "Kitchen Sync" found for the amiga video toaster circa late 1980s?
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I honestly don't know the cost of time base correctors, but this was a spiffy option in the 20th century.
I don't honestly have the archivial figures, but i'd imagine that it would indeed be a solid 10 years. I remember sys-admins often reccomended DVD-r over CD-r as the cost of 10 year archival media for CD-r was 5 year, where DVD-r was 10, but I honesty don't know for sure.
But I do know this... You can copy DVD without (much) loss, and this process can be automated to duplicate faster then real time. While I presently don't know of a resorce for a multi-disk DVD-r drive, it's clear that the cost to create one would be lower then any other, "taped" standard.
In concept, it's a very good defence. You bought it, you *should* have a license for it. However, the RIAA disagress with that, based under the assumption that the end user could get something better then they purchaced.
Well, that would be a damn good reason for you not to beable to get a good vinyl rip. As far as not knowing how to do it, that's no excuse. Just about all operating systems offer some form of recording device... i've used cooledit under windows my self as it had a few extra features. It's filtering out the extra noise that's the pain in the butt.
As far as owning one, it's reccomended, considering they are dirt cheep at goodwill.
I bought mine for about $10.00... it needed a new needle and stylus as well, most of them at goodwill are either among the missing or bad. Starting price at RatShack is pretty cheep, and they also have full cartrages with needles... I think mine was like $20 or so. If you have a traditional Amp that has phono inputs and tape outputs, this will do just dandy. Otherwise $24.00 what ratshack charges, though i've also observed you can get stand alone amps / recievers at goodwill for about that price as well.
In my case, it was a $30.00 investment (turn table & cartrage) , but I do have vinyl that just can't be replaced, not even on P2P networks. The sound is brillent, and my backups are most acceptable.
Why should you do this? Well gives you more tracks to share on p2p!
Shockingly enough, vinyl was a decent standard for audio, with the only issue that it degrades per each play, and costs to operate in the form of replacement needles. When you hear a first generation copy of the Allen Parson's Project - I robot you'll see what I mean. If you don't believe me, search kazza with the terms, "vinyl rip".
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I fully agree that people by their very nature are not thieves. Itunes is providing a service that people are willing to pay for, and this I think is terrific?
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Metalica pointed out one valuable thing back in their napster argument, the fact that end users have the ability to make (almost) perfect digital copies of their music, why would they buy the CD.
Why indeed
Given that people are not thieves, and any old joe can copy a CD... Why not actually legalize the private trading of music, and people who want to actually *support* the respective bands can send in money to get the offical label to put on their CD-r, offical case, and perhaps even a bumper sticker or a t-shirt.
Ye' old record store could even distrubute and provide facilities to this end. It seems like the perfect way, to me, to merge the new and old business models.
What the track
Want the offical cd $15.00
Want a home brew solution but offical fly leaf and label? who knows?
It's nice to see research regarding a disease that "KILLS HUMANS WELL" put in the public domain, research that should be in the world's best interest to be public domain, and not nessicarly the IP property of specific companies. If only the same logic was applied to AIDS back in the 80's.
I'm all for people making a profit from research, but it becomes immoral to put the bottom line above human life in order to profit.
See Australia. See Australia broadband. See per month bandwidth caps and their fees for additional useage.
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Phase one of possible legalization of pot in america is not complete, this being it's legalization for medial purposes. I'm only familar with some aspects of Canada's pot program, like for example legal to grew if you have a license, unlike western america where you can get a perscription for it, but you can't buy it.
But reducing marijuana posession to a ticketable offence is reasonable in my minds eye. Less reason to invade someone's privacy, and don't have extreem cases like the Eggleston in tacoma [http://goldwingtom.com/ourtake/eggleston.html]. Given that some regions do permit it for medical use, there is legit reasons why you might have it about. But how this connects to terrorism is beyond me.
But as far as canada carring more about libraries then we do, they probally do, it's one of the nice things about visiting that nation. How this relates to terrorism is beyond me as... anyone who's only means of communicating an idea is terror is not going to be the type of person who visits a library! If we had trully inteligent terrorists, the body count would be much higher!
You feel that politics, IP laws, and patent infringement is denying our access to 90% of the mater in the universe, and because our respective nations grant us rights to much in the way of matter in the universe. Interesting theory, I imagine the RIAA and MPAA have something to do with this, the fact that they both feel they have exclusive rights to distrubute matter.
I agree it would be nice if we were able to gain access to matter for just a small monthly fee, and have the right to compress our matter as we choose.
based on our current understanding of the universe there are
1. Things that matter
2. Things that don't matter
3. Things that are mattering
We need to determine wether or not this missing mater matters, or does not matter. If it indeed does matter or is matering, we have a bunch of confused astrometers on our hands.
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So what you are saying is of hollywood would actually put their bucks into talent, in the form of writers, actors, directors, and actually come out with material worth paying for, rather then trying to lobby for more restrictions on how we go for entertainment.
That trick never works --Rocky the flying squirel
Or, are you saying that putting these heavy restrictions on what can only be described as *recording devices* only hurts students of theater/movie production, and that only through experimentation do we have any hope of achieving an inovative idea.
Now now the riaa can complain about online piracy and online terrorism too!
Valuable point, claim you worship .ogg
When was the last time you saw a linux user want AOL?
I know of people slightly older then my self.
They bought the vinyl
They bought the 8-track for their car
They bought the cassette cause the 8-track broke
They bought the CD cause their new car only has a CD player
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How many times do you have to buy it before you own it? I'd say a serious kickback if your old media broke,esp if it was a 8-track!
I don't think it's possible to underestimate the technical power of an organization that can't seem to get their website back up.
Dude, you must have a sucky pre-amp. Most users of record players who complain about sucky sound don't realize that you need to adapt vinyl output to line level so your sound card can accept it. Otherwise, get a new needle.
From a moral perspective, I agree with you, but alas the RIAA does not. You can create a backup for your own use, but you can't for example, claim that a mp3 ripped from a CD is your backup. While you can argue about which is the superior format, you can't argue that CD can be done with low loss.
If this was all that was needed, then joe blow could go into their local flea market and buy crappy scratched up vinyl at 10 cents a pop and claim they have a license to a duplicate CD.
Now, if you hunted kazza for vinyl rips, they would be hard pressed to prove you didn't do it your self. They do exist actually. There are atleast a few people that think it's important to preserve music. That's why it's always imporant when you rip, label it properly!
I have NO problems creating backup CDs of my legacy vinyl that sound pretty damn good. In many cases, I have no choice as alot of it is out of print and not available on CD.
Now I have no moral issues with someone who actually bought the vinyl, tape, 8track, whatever... someone who I personaly consider to have a legit license to a particular album getting a backup elsewhere in the event their media is warn. I esp have no moralistic issues for 8track as you can't buy the players new anymore, and chances are the sucker broke cause there was no disclaimer about proper player maintance.
Excuse me while I listen to peter murphy on vinyl
Great! In other news, RIAA proposes a tax on candles stating that, "wax cylinders are are of the earliest recording technoligies, and we are in danger of loosing valuable dollars with this presently unrestricted technology". Also on record, "Candles can be used to create recordings with very low technology, and we can't allow this." This form of piracy has the record companies scared as they tend to burn well destroying all evidence.
RIAA also plans to sue a little girl in Beaverton Oregon for recording, "Mary had a Little Lamb".
With the exception of the fact that they require some form of engery to operate that impacts the enviroment in someway. Unless you are on solar power, the robot would be powered by some form of engery, wether it be combustion or electrical based. With the exception of robot hydrolics / lubercants which might possibly contaminate the soil.
Not that I don't agree with you, I would say targeting weeds and pulling them is a good idea, but requires a much more sturdy device then one which rolls around and shoots a spray. I'm willing to lay odds that halling out weeds is going to be more mass then grams of fluid per plant required to kill a target.
To resolve the problem of using something *toxic* to humans, why not go for a more elegent approach. Cook the weed, in the ground. Assuming chemical combustion, use waste heat to generate steam, steam the weed nice and toasty. Still grams of fluid per weed, but hey. Or Microwave the weed, cook it till it's dead! Don't know how many watts it would take to cook one, but resolves the issue of having to hall out and dispose of this organic waste, and in theory doesn't leave anything trully toxic in the ground.