PC vs. Macintosh VHS vs. Beta Windows vs. OS/2 Linux vs. Hurd
Gee, if Linux has now become the inferior technology... it's gonna DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!
Boy, there is an asinine statement... the winners in all those battles won because they were the superior product.
PCs -- cheaper and more open VHS -- cheaper and more open Windows -- actually had working device drivers Linux -- well see, but the word momentum comes to mind.
Hurd is Object Oriented, unlike Linux, so it may be a superior system in the long run.
Huh? Why would you say something like that? I mean I can see arguing microkernel v. monolithic kernel archetectures, but saying an OS is better than another due to its programming methodology?
Besides in the words of John Maynard Keynes, in the long run, we're all dead.
Likewise I both agree and disagree with what you posted.
First of all, I think a portfolio of the stocks you listed (not that all of them were ever listed as companies, Atari for example) would have done pretty well. There are enough winners on the list to take care of the underperformers. Granted, putting your whole wad into one of them woudl be risky, but thats true today and someone who does that deserves whatever they get.
Ever read about the late 60's and early 70's when the so called "Nifty 50" (the majority of them, technology stocks) lead the market to all time highs and were thought unstoppable?
Hmmm... The nifty 50 I'm thinking of had companies like PepsiCo, McDonalds, Phillip Morris, Avon, Coca-Cola, Polaroid, etc.. Granted, I belive IBM and AT&T were in there too, but the Goldman Sachs Ecommerce Index, it ain't.
I choose to invest in companies that have proven they can perform and thrive in tough markets and have great oportunity for growth well into the future.
Good strategy... Warren Buffet would approve. I agree as well.
The internet is a fool's market right now, and the majority of the fools will get burned.
Hard to say... you only need one or two winners of MS or Oracle like proportions to make up for quite a few tankers.
There used to be a day when companies were valued based on their actual performance. Amazon suceeded in corrupting that definition so that it included their future performance
Oh really? When I was studying finance I learned that the value of a stock should be equal to the sum of a series of expected dividends plus the expected price of the stock when you sell it, all of which should be adjusted for the time value of money. In other words, stock values always have and always will reflect the future projected performance of a company. Amazon didn't invent this.
It seems that IBM is about the only tech company that's valued anywhere near the levels it's revenue would reflect if it were in any other industry.
That's like a utility company complaining that their stock would be valued higher if they were only in the media business or something.. silly..
I mostly liked everything else he had to say, but due to the order of teh question, i was set off by him. Build a company. Get the sales. Get the PROFITS. Then you'll get your valuation. Any other order is just insane.
Hey, if you so damn much smarter than the market, you should short the stock. You should make a killing when the stock goes in the tank, right? Or are you just shooting your mouth off?
Don't you people know what patients are? Why back in my day we didn't have these DVDs and VCRs, if you wanted to watch a movie again you waited for it to be re-released in the theatres... I'm telling you ever since these "talkies" came out the cinema has been going downhill anyway....
So why do they put this on crap like "Razorblade Romance" by Him and "My Private War" by Philip Boa & The Voodoo Club, that no one in their right mind would want to copy in the first place?
How do they justify thousands of dollars for W2K when their largest competitor (in the server arena in particular) isn't charging ANYTHING!
Um, maybe 'cause a) Windows doesn't run on Sparc and b) Solaris on x86 (at least last time I checked which was a while ago), was, well, lacking in many ways (device drivers, speed, applications...)
Great... I'll post my CV here sometime as well, but more to the point..
Hence, it is totally possible they'll get sucked into the latest tulip mania (or PenguinMania TM) and buy shares in LinuxOne. And get taken to the cleaners.
Great... that's the way things are supposed to work. Why is everyone getting excited about this?
All LinuxOne has done is take someone else's product, rip their name out of it and slap their own sticker on it. Why use a cheap knock-off when you can own the original, made by a company that is committed to serving the community?
Well, if they're smart, they'll sell it cheaper than Red Hat / Mandrake. They could make a killing just selling the same stuff cheaper and letting RH / Mandrake do the development....
The market, in the long run, given perfect access at no cost in real time to all information, will choose the most profitable distro over other, not as profitable, distros.
The market doesn't give a shit about profitability, if anything increased competition will force profits down if anything else.
But then again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Come back and post after you've read an introductory economics text. I can recommend one for you if you want.
(And to this crap like that post get marked insightful...)
I'll take corporations over government any day of the week. Corporations do not steal 40% of may paycheck. Corporations have very easy to identitify and largely sympathetic goals. Corportations do not engage in touchy-feely social engineering.
Hopefully the FTC does their job and stays the hell out of the way of this.
Dumbed down people spend more money than those who think for themselves.
Can you back this up with statistics (say some sor of correlation between IQ and discretionary spending or such?), or is this typical captialism-bashing?
I agree, the people who are running this thing have the common sense of a large carrot if they didn't think they were going to get the hell sued out of the them post haste.
Maybe if they weren't trying to make money off ads on their pages they would have more of a case but as it is they are just signal stealing and trying to make a buck.
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PC vs. Macintosh
VHS vs. Beta
Windows vs. OS/2
Linux vs. Hurd
Gee, if Linux has now become the inferior technology... it's gonna DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!
Boy, there is an asinine statement... the winners in all those battles won because they were the superior product.
PCs -- cheaper and more open
VHS -- cheaper and more open
Windows -- actually had working device drivers
Linux -- well see, but the word momentum comes to mind.
Hurd is Object Oriented, unlike Linux, so it may be a superior system in the long run.
Huh? Why would you say something like that? I mean I can see arguing microkernel v. monolithic kernel archetectures, but saying an OS is better than another due to its programming methodology?
Besides in the words of John Maynard Keynes, in the long run, we're all dead.
In short, where is my "extra" $100 going?
First, I'm sure Dell doesn't pay near $100 for Win9x licenses.
Second, I'm sure that the tech support cost if where the difference goes.
I guess support really is the only place to make money with free software...
However, the support calls should be way fewer with the stability of Linux....
Yeah, but the interface is more confusing for most people, so it probably comes out even.
..I needed something to do with that huge pile of Alphas I had just sitting in the corner gathering dust...
The "Bio of a space tyrant" series is good,
Good for the stuff that Anthony puts out, kind of the equivalent of a b-movie.
Not sure you'd recommend this to a 13 year old girl... I mean the guy rapes his wife a knifepoint in one of the books.
Yeah, I forgot to put the risk premium in there... what can I say, its been a few years...
I will also grant that the formula is kind of useless for companies that don't issue dividends and have no plans to do so. As for this:
The question is -- are these high-flyers sufficiently discounted to make the risk worthwhile?
Well, thats the big question, isn't it?
Likewise I both agree and disagree with what you posted.
First of all, I think a portfolio of the stocks you listed (not that all of them were ever listed as companies, Atari for example) would have done pretty well. There are enough winners on the list to take care of the underperformers. Granted, putting your whole wad into one of them woudl be risky, but thats true today and someone who does that deserves whatever they get.
Ever read about the late 60's and early 70's when the so called "Nifty 50" (the majority of them, technology stocks) lead the market to all time highs and were thought unstoppable?
Hmmm... The nifty 50 I'm thinking of had companies like PepsiCo, McDonalds, Phillip Morris, Avon, Coca-Cola, Polaroid, etc.. Granted, I belive IBM and AT&T were in there too, but the Goldman Sachs Ecommerce Index, it ain't.
I choose to invest in companies that have proven they can perform and thrive in tough markets and have great oportunity for growth well into the future.
Good strategy... Warren Buffet would approve. I agree as well.
The internet is a fool's market right now, and the majority of the fools will get burned.
Hard to say... you only need one or two winners of MS or Oracle like proportions to make up for quite a few tankers.
There used to be a day when companies were valued based on their actual performance. Amazon suceeded in corrupting that definition so that it included their future performance
Oh really? When I was studying finance I learned that the value of a stock should be equal to the sum of a series of expected dividends plus the expected price of the stock when you sell it, all of which should be adjusted for the time value of money. In other words, stock values always have and always will reflect the future projected performance of a company. Amazon didn't invent this.
It seems that IBM is about the only tech company that's valued anywhere near the levels it's revenue would reflect if it were in any other industry.
That's like a utility company complaining that their stock would be valued higher if they were only in the media business or something.. silly..
I mostly liked everything else he had to say, but due to the order of teh question, i was set off by him. Build a company. Get the sales. Get the PROFITS. Then you'll get your valuation. Any other order is just insane.
Hey, if you so damn much smarter than the market, you should short the stock. You should make a killing when the stock goes in the tank, right? Or are you just shooting your mouth off?
Indeed! Can you customise IE5? Can you change routines, add options, ... with IE5? Nope!
Does IE5 crash my box every 10 minutes? Nope!
They should concentrate on the stability problems before adding on all these other unnecessary bells and whistles.
...they brought a dump truck full of money and dumped it in front of us. What are we, stupid?
Look up in the sky... its a bird... its a plane, no its Take-a-quote-out-of-context guy!
Fight spam: insist on the source! Can you imagine eating something that didn't come with an ingredient list?
Sure, do it every time I eat at a resturant...
Maybe you need to find a better motto...
($500/minute at 1-900-micro$oft, or free on usenet).
Right, and there is no free MS help on usenet. Nope. None at all.
FUD FUD FUD
CNN didn't write the article dumb ass, of course if you had read it you would have known that.
Don't you people know what patients are? Why back in my day we didn't have these DVDs and VCRs, if you wanted to watch a movie again you waited for it to be re-released in the theatres... I'm telling you ever since these "talkies" came out the cinema has been going downhill anyway....
So why do they put this on crap like "Razorblade Romance" by Him and "My Private War" by Philip Boa & The Voodoo Club, that no one in their right mind would want to copy in the first place?
How do they justify thousands of dollars for W2K when their largest competitor (in the server arena in particular) isn't charging ANYTHING!
Um, maybe 'cause a) Windows doesn't run on Sparc and b) Solaris on x86 (at least last time I checked which was a while ago), was, well, lacking in many ways (device drivers, speed, applications...)
Great... I'll post my CV here sometime as well, but more to the point..
Hence, it is totally possible they'll get sucked into the latest tulip mania (or PenguinMania TM) and buy shares in LinuxOne. And get taken to the cleaners.
Great... that's the way things are supposed to work. Why is everyone getting excited about this?
Stuff that matters...
All LinuxOne has done is take someone else's product, rip their name out of it and slap their own sticker on it. Why use a cheap knock-off when you can own the original, made by a company that is committed to serving the community?
Well, if they're smart, they'll sell it cheaper than Red Hat / Mandrake. They could make a killing just selling the same stuff cheaper and letting RH / Mandrake do the development....
The market, in the long run, given perfect access at no cost in real time to all information, will choose the most profitable distro over other, not as profitable, distros.
The market doesn't give a shit about profitability, if anything increased competition will force profits down if anything else.
But then again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Come back and post after you've read an introductory economics text. I can recommend one for you if you want.
(And to this crap like that post get marked insightful...)
I'll take corporations over government any day of the week. Corporations do not steal 40% of may paycheck. Corporations have very easy to identitify and largely sympathetic goals. Corportations do not engage in touchy-feely social engineering.
Hopefully the FTC does their job and stays the hell out of the way of this.
Dumbed down people spend more money than those who think for themselves.
Can you back this up with statistics (say some sor of correlation between IQ and discretionary spending or such?), or is this typical captialism-bashing?
I agree, the people who are running this thing have the common sense of a large carrot if they didn't think they were going to get the hell sued out of the them post haste.
Maybe if they weren't trying to make money off ads on their pages they would have more of a case but as it is they are just signal stealing and trying to make a buck.