Yeah that is true but it is a weird way to say it. Just give us the actual estimated GW savings. Or if you want a comparison, say "equal to 50 large nuclear power plants" (or medium or coal plants or whatever is accurate).
Ok, I did not know about the the Book of Ice (about:Iceweasel in Debian Iceweasel):
And thus the beast grew powerful, and fire and thunder swept the land. But Mammon stirred in their hearts, and the beast Foundered, and its Corpse arose, and commanded "thou shalt not fly in my name." And the blazes shall freeze cold, and the souls of the followers of Mammon shall learn to tremble in the face of ice as they did before the fire.
The twins of Mammon quarrelled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied. And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.
What do you mean what am I talking about? I am saying the Xorg folks do not need "a kick in the rear" from Mir or anyone else, they already got up off their rears and started Wayland, which has a very different approach from X. They are more aware than most of the problems of X and they aim to fix that with Wayland.
> Are you even aware what the problems with X.org are?
In general, it has over 20 years of backward compatibility cruft that no one uses anymore, and they end up having to implement the new ways of doing things in completely roundabout ways. The compositor is a separate program stuck off to the side for example.
Wayland was designed by the Xorg people to provide a very straightforward way of doing the things a modern-style graphics stack needs to do, and without any historical stuff like built-in fonts or drawing primitives.
> The X.org folks need a kick in the rear. No, they do not. They are well aware of the problems of X (it certainly has problems, though I still rather like it), which is why they created Wayland. Even if you somehow think Wayland is not enough of a change (dunno why anyone would think that...), Mir sure as hell will not change things or drive innovation or anything like that. It is all the same basic ideas as Wayland, but with a different license, a CLA, and controlled by one company. And it will be able to use Android drivers later, but Wayland could do that too (not that it will necessarily).
Dunno about the younger guys, but Keith was an X dev way back in the day. And by back in the day I mean 1988. At least a few of the other devs where from the XFree era...
Have you paid any attention to Linux graphics in, I don't know, the past year or so? Missed the whole Wayland thing, did you? Missed the part of this where all the X/Wayland devs are basically yelling "Why did start reimplementing Wayland late, with slight variations?"
The comments from e.g. Dave Airlie, Kristian Høgsberg, Daniel Stone are even better, IMO, since they are Xorg/Wayland guys. Though Aaron is certainly a graphics guy, just at a higher level on the stack.
>Or still burning coal? Less coal all the time. Natural Gas has its issues for sure, and not a long term solution, but it is better than coal, and it has been really doing a number on coal.
>For us to do that, we have to take the maintenance of these plants out of the hands of potential Homer Simpsons. What? Homer doesn't even do maintenance. And he is, you know, a comedic cartoon character. Why would you think that a power plant would keep on, or even hire a person as incompetent as him? What does The Simpsons have to do with real life at all?
>Have we yet covered the Southwest with solar panels? No
>The tech seems ripe. The cost has been getting better and better. It isn't quite ready to totally take off with the current economics, though it probably would be if we factored in more "externalities"
Slashdot Mirror
>slashdot....where multiplication is +5 insightful.
I know, right?
It links to an .edu, ieee, and arxiv. It is not an advertisement, troll
Yeah that is true but it is a weird way to say it. Just give us the actual estimated GW savings. Or if you want a comparison, say "equal to 50 large nuclear power plants" (or medium or coal plants or whatever is accurate).
>the total output of fifty 1 GW power plants
Soooo... 50 GW?
Use Debian testing (about to become Stable), and use multiarch. Never worry about 32bit vs 64bit again
You want to use NIS, be my guest
Go cry about it somewhere else
Fuck that noise! That thing will get in the way of my napping!
Yeah, I am running Aurora branch. Couple more releases and it should show up.
Ok, I did not know about the the Book of Ice (about:Iceweasel in Debian Iceweasel):
And thus the beast grew powerful, and fire and thunder swept the land. But Mammon stirred in their hearts, and the beast Foundered, and its Corpse arose, and commanded "thou shalt not fly in my name." And the blazes shall freeze cold, and the souls of the followers of Mammon shall learn to tremble in the face of ice as they did before the fire.
from The Book of Ice, 10:13
ahahahaha!
Agreed.
I like the new verse:
The twins of Mammon quarrelled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast
abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied.
And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.
from The Book of Mozilla, 15:1
Quite certain he means SWF
>But... but... why do we care?
Exactly. Windows and Mac users can keep their OS. I have no desire to see everyone or even a large percentage using Linux
interesting, thanks!
What do you mean what am I talking about? I am saying the Xorg folks do not need "a kick in the rear" from Mir or anyone else, they already got up off their rears and started Wayland, which has a very different approach from X. They are more aware than most of the problems of X and they aim to fix that with Wayland.
> Are you even aware what the problems with X.org are?
In general, it has over 20 years of backward compatibility cruft that no one uses anymore, and they end up having to implement the new ways of doing things in completely roundabout ways. The compositor is a separate program stuck off to the side for example.
Wayland was designed by the Xorg people to provide a very straightforward way of doing the things a modern-style graphics stack needs to do, and without any historical stuff like built-in fonts or drawing primitives.
You have that backwards, son.
> The X.org folks need a kick in the rear.
No, they do not. They are well aware of the problems of X (it certainly has problems, though I still rather like it), which is why they created Wayland. Even if you somehow think Wayland is not enough of a change (dunno why anyone would think that...), Mir sure as hell will not change things or drive innovation or anything like that. It is all the same basic ideas as Wayland, but with a different license, a CLA, and controlled by one company. And it will be able to use Android drivers later, but Wayland could do that too (not that it will necessarily).
Dunno about the younger guys, but Keith was an X dev way back in the day. And by back in the day I mean 1988.
At least a few of the other devs where from the XFree era...
Have you paid any attention to Linux graphics in, I don't know, the past year or so? Missed the whole Wayland thing, did you? Missed the part of this where all the X/Wayland devs are basically yelling "Why did start reimplementing Wayland late, with slight variations?"
>"here today gone tomorrow" guys
except for the fact that they are largely all the people that have been driving X development for years and years...
The comments from e.g. Dave Airlie, Kristian Høgsberg, Daniel Stone are even better, IMO, since they are Xorg/Wayland guys. Though Aaron is certainly a graphics guy, just at a higher level on the stack.
Done that. Boring, next!
>Honestly, it seems like the 'analyst' pulled the number straight out of his ass even by financial analyst standards.
Came in here to say this.
Keybindings aside, emacs is a better system.
There are: http://irecusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IREC-Solar-Market-Trends-Report-June-2011-web.pdf (PDF)
See figure 2, on page 6
>Or still burning coal?
Less coal all the time. Natural Gas has its issues for sure, and not a long term solution, but it is better than coal, and it has been really doing a number on coal.
>For us to do that, we have to take the maintenance of these plants out of the hands of potential Homer Simpsons.
What? Homer doesn't even do maintenance. And he is, you know, a comedic cartoon character. Why would you think that a power plant would keep on, or even hire a person as incompetent as him? What does The Simpsons have to do with real life at all?
>Have we yet covered the Southwest with solar panels?
No
>The tech seems ripe.
The cost has been getting better and better. It isn't quite ready to totally take off with the current economics, though it probably would be if we factored in more "externalities"