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Gecko May Drop the Blink Tag

AmiMoJo writes "It looks like Mozilla are finally going to remove the much hated blink tag from the Gecko rendering engine that powers Firefox. Work to remove support for the tag, which was always non-standard and is not supported by the most popular HTML layout engines WebKit and Blink (Chrome, Safari, Opera, Android), is progressing and should show up in a future version of the browser." A comment attached to the discussion of this (not completed) move points out the odd possibility that Google's new Blink rendering engine may feature the blink tag via CSS animation, which would be "hilarious/awesome."

138 comments

  1. Will feature the hosts tag instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So your hosts file troll will blinked to death!

  2. Re:Bed-wetting momma's-boys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but I sleep at the shallow end

  3. no problem by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Informative

    HTML5 allows blink functionality to be done via CSS3 animations, so they can never take the away from us!

    1. Re:no problem by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But It's appropriate for it to be in CSS, It's a style of display that has to syntax. I wish they'd remove bold and italic too.

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    2. Re:no problem by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      sure, but at least that makes it more difficult. However, for the unfortunate souls that are using blink-tag enabled browsers... blink was much easier for me to use. Suckers.

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    3. Re:no problem by hackula · · Score: 2

      And last I checked a few months ago (don't ask), IE still allows the 'marquee' tag, which might be even "better" than 'blink'. (In case anyone does not remember it, 'marquee' is the one that scrolls all child DOM elements across the screen horizontally like a carnival ride.)

    4. Re:no problem by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      And last I checked a few months ago (don't ask), IE still allows the 'marquee' tag, which might be even "better" than 'blink'. (In case anyone does not remember it, 'marquee' is the one that scrolls all child DOM elements across the screen horizontally like a carnival ride.)

      Marquee is also supported by WebKit and Blink.

    5. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because no one ever uses bold or italic anymore.

      Sigh. You should leave your mom's basement at least once in a while.

    6. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you haven’t looked at a mass market, popular book in a while. The GP is correct that bold and italics are dead. Put down your Tolkien (and his racist Eurocentric bias) and pick-up some more modern fiction like Meyer. You’ll learn just how out of touch you are if you really think bold and italic are needed for typesetting.

    7. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Marquee always baffled BE speakers. In the UK, a marquee is a big tent. The sideways-scrolling effect is known as a "marching display".

    8. Re:no problem by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps I understand content and display separation.

      b is a grotesque a tag as blink, both belong in CSS. They are about display, not content.

      the tag to use for b is or span with a descriptive class, if you feel strong is not relevant to your context.

      the place where this is more obvious is with the i tag, it can mean emphasis, quite, or a title.

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    9. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can add CSS3-animation-based blinking for <blink> to your stylesheet.

    10. Re:no problem by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      But It's appropriate for it to be in CSS, It's a style of display that has to syntax. I wish they'd remove bold and italic too.

      They already have. They have replaced the bold with strong and italic with em as the replacements are also relevant to if the text is being read allowed by a screen reader too by changing the tone or inflection.

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    11. Re:no problem by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Someone uses blink still? I honestly don't see what the big deal is myself. Or is it just part of a crusade to remove all parts of the web that the designers personally dislike?

    12. Re:no problem by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of that, and a time.will hopefully come when b and i are removed.

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    13. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the 'b' and 'i' tags are in the HTML5 standard as semantic elements. Not as bold and italic per se, but with the default styles of bold and italic.

    14. Re:no problem by tyrione · · Score: 1

      I guess you haven’t looked at a mass market, popular book in a while. The GP is correct that bold and italics are dead. Put down your Tolkien (and his racist Eurocentric bias) and pick-up some more modern fiction like Meyer. You’ll learn just how out of touch you are if you really think bold and italic are needed for typesetting.

      From the nearly one thousand hardbound books I own, including mass market Horror, Sci-Fi and Fantasy, to Textbooks, non-fiction the use of Bold and Italics is alive and well. The Chicago Manual of Style is also alive and well. I leave it to the author of any work to determine its best use for the context intended, and to expect ridicule for it's often misuse.

    15. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it can mean emphasis, quite, or a title.

      Quite what? Are you trying to prove that no one uses italic any longer because you are incapable of writing a coherent sentence? Just because you don't understand when to use a concept doesn't mean that it shouldn't be used.

    16. Re:no problem by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      not grotesque at all, the appearance is often part of the intended content. In fine literature, there are examples of times the author uses italics or bold face or even a horizontal rule for a purpose; it is not for web designer dweebs following fashion of the moment to dictate or control that.

    17. Re:no problem by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I leave it to the author of any work to determine its best use for the context intended, and to expect ridicule for it's often misuse.

      Speaking of expecting ridicule...

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    18. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it about centering that makes the semi-technical HTML cabal so irrational? They've also successfully fought against a a "float: center." I don't understand why my coworkers have such a large fear about centered objects.

    19. Re:no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already in CSS, as "text-decoration: blink;". The linked bug proposes dropping support for that too.

    20. Re:no problem by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      It should be tagged by It's purpose, and then appearance described in CSS.

      your argument could apply to blink.

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  4. How is Blink the most popular? by thestudio_bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is Blink one of the most popular HTML layout engines?

    Is being used yet?

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    1. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      No, but it will be for Chrome 28. Even if only 10% of Chrome users upgrade right away, that will still be over 3 million people using the Blink renderer.

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    2. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It will auto update every user.

    3. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't chrome require every user to always be running the current version of itself? At the very least the auto update is the default setting.

    4. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't always auto upgrade until you launch it.

    5. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by guttentag · · Score: 4, Funny

      How is Blink one of the most popular HTML layout engines?

      I think what they meant is that people who have no concept of HTML layout have a tendency to overcompensate for this shortcoming by using the BLINK tag as a replacement for all other more-subtle and more-refined embellishments (B, I, U, P, BR, etc.), and they use it with such gusto that use of the tag indicates a subscription to the Blink "School" of layout theory ("more blink equals more better" and so forth) which is treated as a layout engine unto itself, however crude it may be. Many adherents of the Blink School evolved to the Flash school during the AOLic period, but as Blink is so much simpler to implement, it serves as a common denominator and suggests that these simplest developers outnumber all other developers combined. This makes their "layout engine" the most popular, in much the same way that people who do not know how to drive set the popular rules of the road through their ignorance of the actual rules simply by outnumbering everyone else.

      I feel there has been a great disturbance in the Blink School, as though millions of dancing animated hamsters suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly stationary but not silenced.

    6. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by HaZardman27 · · Score: 2

      Sorry, that should be over 30 million people (Google claims over 300 million people are using Chrome).

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    7. Re:How is Blink the most popular? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      And you're connected.....

      I launch Chrome very infrequently (I just close the lid on my laptop, so it's still "running" for several days and/or weeks). Sometimes I launch Chrome even when I'm not connected to the Internet.......as a developer, I use a browser beyond just to browse the Internet....

      So, I've actually been a couple of versions behind on Chrome (not on purpose, but it happens). It eventually corrects itself, but it's possible to be behind a few versions.

  5. Blink doesn't support blink? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    How ironic.

    1. Re:Blink doesn't support blink? by tepples · · Score: 2

      And Chrome had less chrome (window decorations, controls, and everything else other than the page content) than other browsers had when it came out. Only after Chrome came out did other major browser publishers think to hide the menu bar and overlap the title bar with tabs by default. Is Google trying to shoot for an irony streak?

    2. Re:Blink doesn't support blink? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      IE7 hid menus by default 2 years before Chrome existed. You just mean Firefox started playing "me too!" after Chrome did it.

    3. Re:Blink doesn't support blink? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Well, let's hope they don't name their next feature "page".

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    4. Re:Blink doesn't support blink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IE7 hid menus by default 2 years before Chrome existed. ...

      No it didn't - fresh install of IE7 onto windows XP was a fucking mess - at least three lines of menus, icons, and selective text - used to take a good 5 minutes to clear that lot up

  6. Schrödinger is not amused by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

    How are we supposed to now write Erwin Schrödinger's famous thought experiment in only one line now?

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  7. Use CSS by DERoss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since CSS 1 and still in CSS 2.1, blink has been a recognized value of the text-decoration property. For accessibility, browsers should blink slowly so as not to trigger epilepsy events in susceptible individuals.

    1. Re:Use CSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For accessibility, browsers should blink slowly so as not to trigger epilepsy events in susceptible individuals.

      <script src="epilepsy_party.js"></script>

    2. Re:Use CSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This. How can people not know this has existed since forever as a CSS property?
      It is madness I tell you.

      No wonder the web tech is sitting in the 1500s, nobody knows what the hell the features are.

      Might as well post this and destroy the sites speed further, a very useful thing in CSS that gets rid of the need for ID Abuse.
      http://css-tricks.com/how-nth-child-works/
      Actually, I won't link it since the site is slow as hell already, only the worthy will copy and paste or bother to right click and go.
      Good luck, Arthur.
      Actually this site loads quickly and is more detailed
      Nth Child expressions
      Most useful thing in CSS for selection.

      I wonder what other features people don't know about.
      So many new and older things that get obscured by "hey check this new useless feature out, DRM for HTML5" and other fun stuff.

    3. Re:Use CSS by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I knew about this when I was still building websites and that was something like... ten years ago. Jesus.

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    4. Re:Use CSS by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Mostly because it has became as big of a mess as Perl Regular Expressions. HTML is well on it's way to becoming line noise.

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    5. Re:Use CSS by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

      Those of us who have done web tech since the 1990s know full well that knowing the CSS properties has had damn little value.

      Until fairly recently, what had value was knowing which of the CSS standards actually worked in the real world. Which meant keeping an eye on the blighted Microsoft browser versions, and waiting until the ones that were not standards compliant dropped below the level of significance for a web site's intended audience.

      For the most part, now we can all use the standard CSS and those web developers who know their subject and have enough experience behind them to do a good job of it are doing so. There is still the matter of sorting out best practices: the standards provide a nice toolkit, but cannot provide any real world guidance in when to use the screwdriver when the hammer is the better choice. The community of web developers is working through that now.

      Good standards have been Out There for a long time, but it is only recently that the browsers that held the Web captive to their non-standard crappy ways have lost their dominant influence. I am looking at you, Microsoft. You have held back the world in pursuit of your own profits since the 1990s, but no more. Firefox's success fixed that; now even Microsoft is forced to recognize that to be competitive today, you have to be playing by the same rules as everyone else. Otherwise, Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are going to eat your lunch.

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    6. Re:Use CSS by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is an optional part of CSS, and not supported by WebKit or Blink.

  8. We're almost done by GhigoRenzulli · · Score: 0

    Now they must drop support for Comic Sans font and ugly stupid animated GIFs, then the transition from HTML 1.0 to 2.0 will be definitive.

  9. Geocities by symes · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the blink of an eye all that old Geocities goodness will be wiped away from the eyes of the unsuspecting.

    1. Re:Geocities by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the blink of an eye all that old Geocities goodness will be wiped away from the eyes of the unsuspecting.

      How? They're not adding a <tasteful> tag.

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    2. Re:Geocities by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Omg, geocities is STILL around?

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    3. Re:Geocities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original was cruelly taken from us in 2009, but mirrors for much of the content still exists. See, e.g., Reocities. The Internet Archive was one of the organizations that attempted to save the content for posterity. Why? Because even though there was a lot of dreck, much of the content was interesting, and original. It also only existed on Geocities (e.g. Killing King Abacus, which now also exists elsewhere).

      And even the dreck was worth saving. For the same reason that the Library of Congress is archiving Twitter. Because historians can use this to examine our time.

      Yes, Geocities allowed many (including myself) to put up a website without any knowledge of good design or taste. However, without this free webspace, allowing me (and others) to express myself (themselves), I might have instead gone and shot up my school or something. Which would you prefer?

      (Geocities still exists in Japan. However, Yahoo Japan is basically independent of the rest of Yahoo, so that shouldn't be a surprise.)

    4. Re:Geocities by lgw · · Score: 2

      Sadly, no, outside the wayback machine. There were some good reference sites there that were really fast (since no one else still used them).

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    5. Re:Geocities by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      I might have instead gone and shot up my school or something. Which would you prefer?

      Or you could have done both, as some of the recent gun-totin' mad killah geeks have done. Remember the Asian dude who killed 30+ at virgina tech?

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  10. They are changing the tag - not dropping it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since Blink will add the blink tab, Gecko will change the blink tab to a gecko tab.

    1. Re:They are changing the tag - not dropping it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the browser can be even more obscure, living in the jungle on its own.

    2. Re:They are changing the tag - not dropping it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should change it to a "webkit" tag.

  11. So, "the end of days" ? by fire4ever · · Score: 5, Informative

    In older versions when typing "about:mozilla" we can read:

    "And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days."

    1. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by kav2k · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up! Actually true.

    2. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      If you didn't know about this little Easter egg, you're a clueless newb.

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    3. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by Randle_Revar · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      I like the new verse:

      The twins of Mammon quarrelled. Their warring plunged the world into a new darkness, and the beast
      abhorred the darkness. So it began to move swiftly, and grew more powerful, and went forth and multiplied.
      And the beasts brought fire and light to the darkness.

      from The Book of Mozilla, 15:1

    4. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      Ok, I did not know about the the Book of Ice (about:Iceweasel in Debian Iceweasel):

      And thus the beast grew powerful, and fire and thunder swept the land. But Mammon stirred in their hearts, and the beast Foundered, and its Corpse arose, and commanded "thou shalt not fly in my name." And the blazes shall freeze cold, and the souls of the followers of Mammon shall learn to tremble in the face of ice as they did before the fire.

      from The Book of Ice, 10:13

      ahahahaha!

    5. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww. I still got an old version:

      Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers
      grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the
      fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own
      image as promised by the
      sacred words, and spoke
        of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was
      naught but a follower.

      from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9
      (10th Edition)

    6. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by kav2k · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between knowing and remembering. Especially remembering the first version of it.
      And my comment was due to the fact that the original comment was at -1 and I had no mod points.

    7. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sincerely hope you managed to type that up out of memory. Because I could have... :(

    8. Re:So, "the end of days" ? by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I am running Aurora branch. Couple more releases and it should show up.

  12. It's a sad day... by hobarrera · · Score: 1

    It's a sad day for web developer all around the world.

    1. Re:It's a sad day... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Let's not go all emo here. We've work to do.

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    2. Re:It's a sad day... by F.+Lynx+Pardinus · · Score: 2

      It's a sad day for web developer all around the world.

      I had to blink away the tears.

    3. Re:It's a sad day... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Only those without souls call it work. We all know that what the customer wants will make us cry ourselves to sleep every night....

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

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  13. Marquee still works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks to politburo we still have marquee tag, and it works with WebKit too!

  14. CSS already supports it. by dackroyd · · Score: 2

    Fiddle is here http://jsfiddle.net/Danack/3pFUS/

    @-webkit-keyframes blink {
                    from { opacity: 1.0; }
                    to { opacity: 0.0; }
                    0% { opacity: 1.0; }
                    50% { opacity: 0.0; }
                    100% { opacity: 1.0; }
            } .blink {
            -webkit-animation-name: blink;
            -webkit-animation-iteration-count: infinite;
            -webkit-animation-timing-function: steps(1);
            -webkit-animation-duration: 1s;
            }

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    1. Re:CSS already supports it. by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      The above did not work for me in FireFox 19.0.2.

    2. Re:CSS already supports it. by dackroyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well this might - be really I'm not sure I _want_ this to work. http://jsfiddle.net/Danack/3pFUS/6/

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    3. Re:CSS already supports it. by istartedi · · Score: 1

      It looks like the web has gone from high school to new professional and skipped college.

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    4. Re:CSS already supports it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this reminds me of the time 10 years ago that a client ticked me off with repeated change requests on their website to "make it more flashy" so I created a "dynamic html" version that used javascript and css to wrap the entire page in one huge blinking marquee.

      Purely for my own amusement, of course. The client's webpage got a flash intro.

    5. Re:CSS already supports it. by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Yep that works in Firefox. So there is the new blink tag ;).

    6. Re:CSS already supports it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... Actually, CSS has supported it since almost forever.

      Seriously--you never heard of text-decoration:blink;?

    7. Re:CSS already supports it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that works in IE 10 now too. Stupid webkit vendor prefixes... (same with 'transform' btw, never understood why they didn't un-prefix that one long ago)

    8. Re:CSS already supports it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course -webkit-prefixed properties don't work in Firefox. That's the whole point of those stupid prefixes.

    9. Re:CSS already supports it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well this might - be really I'm not sure I _want_ this to work. http://jsfiddle.net/Danack/3pFUS/6/

      It workedforabit and then stopped (opera) - another win for opera I think.

  15. Ruh roh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hope it doesn't make my engshaming picture of Lou Montulli, the inventory, less valuable! :) http://engshaming.tumblr.com/image/30050495135

  16. about:config browser.blink_allowed by X0563511 · · Score: 0

    You've been able to disable the blink tag for ages anyway.

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  17. Sample code for animating opacity by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    How are we supposed to now write Erwin Schrödinger's famous thought experiment in only one line now?

    Another user mentioned CSS3 animations, and there exists sample CSS3 code for animating opacity.

    1. Re:Sample code for animating opacity by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      I don't know the Schrödinger one liner. But I have kept this link in my Favorites / Weirdly Cunning bookmark bin for about two decades now, as when it is appropriate, it is always very appropriate: The Schroedinger Cat Epic Poem.

      It would please me to see someone post the HTML code for the blinkin one line Schrödinger. It may also have a place in my Favorites / Weirdly Cunning bookmark bin.

      And an additional request: if it be not too far Off Topic--- and I think it not be so--- a discussion by those knowledgeable about anglicization of German names (esp, Schrödinger vs Schroedinger) would be interesting at this point. Provided it was kept short. And appropriately amusing.

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    2. Re:Sample code for animating opacity by dirkjan · · Score: 1

      Here you go: not exactly the HTML, but that would actually not kill the cat:

      http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030427

    3. Re:Sample code for animating opacity by TWX · · Score: 1

      *grin* I'm glad that someone else got the reference...

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  18. How about rapid Gif's? by onyxruby · · Score: 0

    Gif's that animate in less than a second are the modern blink tag and just as bloody annoying. I'm looking at you Gawker properties with your obsession with Gif's that animate in less than and are /very/ distracting. It's the same bloody problem in a different bloody package, and it's pretty bloody annoying. Thankfully I can block them when I see them with ad block plus...

  19. Marquee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, what of marquee? Oh, for the days when one could *combine* blink and marquee... the web is dying.

  20. Netscape Navigator Legacy? by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 0

    Is this just a tribute or leftover from Firefox's previous life as Netscape Navigator? It seems they were the first browser to include blink.

    1. Re:Netscape Navigator Legacy? by frisket · · Score: 2

      It was first announced for Mosaic 2.5b2 and Netscape B09 in October 1994 (thread "HTML"). I criticised it for putting cuteness above all else, and Marc Andreesen justified it by claiming "professional" content providers wanted it, which I disputed, and then it got messy.

  21. And North Korea Prepared to Drop Nukes On South by interval1066 · · Score: 0

    Must be a slow news day.

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    1. Re:And North Korea Prepared to Drop Nukes On South by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody gives a fuck because nobody believe they will do it.

    2. Re:And North Korea Prepared to Drop Nukes On South by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and Pyongyang and the NK military bases would be reduced to craters within the hour.

  22. Trident (Internet Explorer) is the most popular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...rendering engine on the desktop. It was wishful thinking of the author to omit it. In fact, it's actually gaining market share at the moment.

  23. Article Typo by um.yup. · · Score: 0

    It should read "It looks like Mozilla is..." Mozilla is a single corporation, and, thus, should have a single verb.

    1. Re:Article Typo by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      I think it's a British English vs. American English thing. Since it's a corporation, it consists of a group of people, so they use the word "are" to account for that. In American English, it's proper grammar to say "The Miami Heat are going to win the championship this year". Because the Miami Heat is an organization of people. In the same sense, since Mozilla is an organization of people, the British use "are".

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  24. Even without html5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already ran into an otherwise reasonably sane-looking website that recreated blink with div and a bit of javascript.

    And then there's animated gifs.

    It all means that web"design" is not nearly often enough about the actual content.

  25. Isn't this going to break MySpace? by tippe · · Score: 2

    I suppose I should be happy they aren't removing support for rendering tasteless backgrounds and crappy fonts... My ugly MySpace page is safe. For now.

  26. Blink's tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor Clarice Ferguson! Her tag is gone.

  27. Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah this is *totally* news worth of the front page...
    After 12 years, I'm out.

    1. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      liar

    2. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gone in a blink.

  28. Re:no problem (Marquee) by markzip · · Score: 4, Funny
    Somewhere in the Wayback Machine there is a page I coded in 1997. It featured

    marquee

    nested inside

    blink

    . And I did it because the client's kid thought it was cool. I bet he's sorry to see it go, I know I am. ;-)

  29. The title bar, specifically by tepples · · Score: 1

    hide the menu bar and overlap the title bar with tabs

    IE7 hid menus by default 2 years before Chrome existed.

    But did either IE or Firefox take advantage of the space in the title bar before Chrome came out? Chrome's innovation was not only no menu bar (which IE had already done, as you point out) but also no title bar.

    1. Re:The title bar, specifically by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      Under window managers like DWM, no window has a title bar. Ever. Rendering decorations to windows is the window managers job, not the application's job. Otherwise you get inconsistency.

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  30. Misplaced hate by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

    It looks like Mozilla are finally going to remove the much hated blink tag

    I do not hate the blink tag. I hate the web developers.

    Otherwise, I think the blink tag spurred the whole generation of web developers. Just look at all the so-called "Web 2.0" crap. Whether it is <blink> or jQuery's animations for every however tiny P.O.S., the end result is the same: unusable mess.

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  31. Re:no problem (Marquee) by flimflammer · · Score: 2

    Man, that brings me back... I remember back in the mid 90s putting small sprite animated gifs of running characters into marquee tags so it would look like one character was chasing the other in forum sigs...

  32. I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In one web application a form has to be completed within 10 minutes. I have a bit of javascript that puts a message the top of the screen when there are 90 seconds to go, and then makes it blink when there are only 30 seconds left. I don't pretend that it is pretty, but it can bring the user back to a task that they got part way through before being distracted.

    Just because something can be used to create monstrosities does not mean that it should be banned. If that were the case, then ban .jpg on the grounds of what used to be found at goatse.cx

    1. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in god's name is that website you are describing? I think it's a prefect example of why NOT to allow blinking.

    2. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by reSonans · · Score: 1

      I have a bit of javascript that puts a message the top of the screen when there are 90 seconds to go, and then makes it blink when there are only 30 seconds left.

      Why not use a countdown timer? I would argue this is more useful to someone who has to submit a form within a certain timeframe. The real-world equivalent of blink in this situation is someone standing next to you yelling, "Hurry up! Hurry up! Hurry up!"

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    3. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Maow · · Score: 2

      In one web application a form has to be completed within 10 minutes. I have a bit of javascript that puts a message the top of the screen when there are 90 seconds to go, and then makes it blink when there are only 30 seconds left. I don't pretend that it is pretty, but it can bring the user back to a task that they got part way through before being distracted.

      Just because something can be used to create monstrosities does not mean that it should be banned. If that were the case, then ban .jpg on the grounds of what used to be found at goatse.cx

      I'll have to agree 100%. Yours seems like an entirely reasonable usage case for the blink tag. I would hope they'd keep it in the rendering engine and we can just leave pages that abuse the feature, as we do for so many other abused features.

      I have a page that simulates a Bash terminal in which the client watches as commands are typed into a Bash terminal and the results are fetched via AJAX.

      The cursor blinks slowly, just as it would in a real terminal.

      It was a PITA to get characters "typed" slowly with some randomness since JS doesn't have a blocking sleep/wait function. I don't care to have to go in there and update the code.

    4. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      Why not use a countdown timer?

      There is a countdown timer, discrete in a corner somewhere. It gets bigger + more words and in a red font at 90 seconds, flashes at 30. The users say that it is useful. If they don't allow javascript it just tells them the time by which they have to be done.

    5. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the front end of the nuclear football is coded in HTML/Javascript now?

      Seriously - I'm curious as to what task would be so important that you would go to such lengths to get the user to complete a form

    6. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so I replied to wrong post - I know about this now - where is delete - imagine the above post has been moved up one

    7. Re:I admit to using text-decoration: blink; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a PITA to get characters "typed" slowly with some randomness since JS doesn't have a blocking sleep/wait function.

      Just write your code in continuation-passing style and use setTimeout.

  33. Removal of the blink tag will harm my workflow by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    As part of my workflow, I have to induce seizures in people who approach my desk for help instead of submitting a request ticket. Without the blink tag, I will have to show them youtube clips of pokemon.

  34. Just for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'm going to embed this Pokemon video on every page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denn%C5%8D_Senshi_Porygon

  35. The Doctor is a Gecko developer now? by gblues · · Score: 2

    Don't .
    <blink></blink> and you're dead.

    (I am so, so sorry)

  36. this is retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of all the stupid user-hostile horseshit that has been implemented in browsers over the years, THIS is what makes someone think "gee, maybe this is really more trouble than it's worth?" The blink tag. Because clearly, the blink tag tracks the user, eats up tons of CPU time and bandwidth, loads ads from random servers, installs malware, and downloads kiddy porn.

  37. That's not irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Irony is when there's a black fly in your chardonnay. (A white one is not, however, ironic.)

    1. Re:That's not irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that like a death row pardon that is two minutes too late?

    2. Re:That's not irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, or like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife, or even, believe it or not, like a no-smoking sign on your cigarette break.

  38. work is progressing? by belmolis · · Score: 1

    What on earth does it mean to say that "work is progressing" to remove the tag? I've never looked at the code, but I would think that you could disable it with a simple change in one place: either remove the keyword from the parser so it is never recognized, or make it a no-op once it is. Why would getting rid of the tag be complicated enough to take a while and exhibit "progress"?

    1. Re:work is progressing? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      that probably means gecko is just as much spaghetti code as the netscape code base they discarded back in the days for being too complicated to work on.

  39. Blink can be tasteful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But only when used as a reference to an old movie:
    http://www.prairiecon.com/nonexistantpage

  40. Decorations and client area on the same row by tepples · · Score: 1

    Under window managers like DWM

    This window manager appears to be ported only to X11, not to the native window system of Windows or the native window system of Mac OS X. And even in an environment that uses X11, the proper way I can see for to overlap the "title bar" would be for the application to specify through a hint that a non-rectangular client area is preferred, and then the window manager would tell the application where the window manager is placing decorations, so that the application can place its controls in the part of the client area not occupied by decorations. Do any window managers for X11 support behavior like this?

  41. The experiment is finally complete by montulli · · Score: 1

    As the originator of the blink experiment I am happy to announce that after 19 years the time has finally come. We are officially stopping the blinking and will announce the result of the experiment after fully analyzing all the data. We thank all of you who have participated and especially those of you who have left comments and feedback. I don't want to spoil the final announcement, but early results point to a generally negative reception. (As well as several deaths) I am happy to announce that the popup window and marquee tag experiment will continue indefinitely. :lou

  42. Blink as CSS by houbou · · Score: 1

    Simple, it's a form of animation, so blink as CSS make sense.

    for example:

    // enable default foreground background blink div {
    blink: true;
    color: white;
    background-color: black;
    }

    or set the color of blink as a list

    div {
    blink: orange, green, blue
    }

    or not only you set the list, but you give them transition proportion (blink speed, larger number = longer stay in that color)
    div {
    blink: orange, 1, green 2, blue: 1
    }

    or
    blink: url(image1), 10, url(image2), 20
    This is where you use images to blink.

  43. Re:no problem (Marquee) by nametaken · · Score: 1

    Oh god, those things you did to GeoCities and MySpace... you owe us all an apology!

  44. Re:no problem (Marquee) by markzip · · Score: 1

    Tripod, mate, Tripod

    And yes, I apologize.

    Unreservedly.

    But it was a long time ago. And besides, the bitch is dead.

  45. Layout issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ***** OMG! How will conspiracy theory sites get your attention now? ****

  46. BLINK tag essential to National Security by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    Secret plans for incursion epinova alien energy device for thought control hidden in cosmic background static of FM broadcast, later in vertical blanking interval of analog television broadcast. Digital realm unaffected until development of Mosaic when secret browser code inserted to extend all color palettes +1 past base two boundaries to create an subvisible 'hyngry hyppo' color (the 17th, 257th, 65537th and 16777217th palette index) whose boundary is perceivable by the subconscious mind. Diagrams and simple directives cloaked in transparent interval of BLINK tag.

    Mission for alien conquest of human race cancelled due to budget cuts and general unsuitability of pixelated thought processes of humans reared in the digital age. Technology passed by alien operatives secretly to the Gobymynt in exchange for a ride off the planet.

    BLINK subsequently relegated to 'kitsch' status by unsuspecting nerd culture and its use in web design has been generally defecated.

    Disclosure of BLINK mission a limited hang out to provide cover for epinova deployment into specification for CCSS (cascading cascading style sheets). Under this progressive regime (CSS, CCSS, CCCSS etc) style is expected to overtake content by 2015, with content completely defecated by 2020.

    Covert intelligence insiders will also recall another alien epinova plot which peaked in the late 70s and early 80s, introduction of the hated and feared 'eiplady' device.

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    <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
  47. No blink in Blink? by the_arrow · · Score: 1

    So the Blink engine has no blink support?

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