There is no proof of your interpretation whatsoever. It's not in the Bill Joy quote. It is a hinted interpretation by the writer of the article -- should the writer of the article really be considered an authoritative judge of Bill Joy's psychology?
Quoted words straight out of Bill Joy's mouth:
"I was going through the books and found out there are only about 2,000 movies in history in which there's critical consensus that they're really good," he told me. "So I bought 600 of them."
This, told to a reporter interviewing him on the subject of nanotech risk mitigation, suggests a parallel line of reasoning. I seriously doubt Mr Joy just flew off on a tangent about how he happened to have chosen the 600 movies in his basement. No, they were talking about reducing the possibility of bad outcomes. YOUR interpretation, which totally ignores context, is far less plausible.
I think it's funny how people have taken the "intrinsic divide" as some sort of fact when it is just a theory, one that hasn't really been tested well either.. The reason Dr. Mori is doing his projects is to test that fact.
It doesn't matter if people "know" something, and that it is common knowledge. If that knowledge isn't fully tested, then it may not be true.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that the "Uncanny Valley" might not exist and that people just think they don't like glassy-eyed photo-realistic too-close-to-the-real-thing renditions of humans? It seems to me that the "intrinsic divide" is the observation, and the specifics of the causation of that divide are what are unclearly mapped.
The developers have changed Americas Army recently to include realistic "death drops." It is actually VERY creapy to watch someone shot in the head snap back and collapse and then roll down a hill. It really makes you not want to play anymore.
That's one thing I've always liked about America's Army. The developers are constantly pushing to move the game towards realism. It keeps away the "haha! you sux0rz, you n00b!" bunnyhopping jerkweeds you find in games like CounterStrike. Usually I can't play for more than about 45 minutes before I need to go do something else less stressful. This is as it should be because, ultimately, what they're simulating isn't a game. I think it's been an instructive tool for showing some of these kids that it isn't like it is in movies.
Where do you live? I saw the last pic with the palm trees and became unbearably homesick for somewhere I've never been:)
Just a wild guess, but judging by the web address under his name in the.sg domain, I'd say probably Singapore. Certainly fits the palm trees and places-where-venus-transit-was-visible requirements.
I'm not especially careful with my address and I get a bucketful of junk everyday, but so? procmail zaps quite a lot of it and I spend about sixty seconds every morning deleting the rest, before looking at any message bodies at all. I'd spend more than sixty seconds/day to achieve significantly better filtering, so this is good enough for me. Getting a UCE is not like taking a bullet; it's more like a mosquito landing on your arm. Slap it dead and forget it ever existed.
That SPAM solution is a classic case of Your Mileage May Vary. I personally don't even bother to delete spam, I get so little of it. My girlfriend, who's address is a fairly common name at a.edu domain, gets about two hundred a day. At those volumes, you're getting another one every few minutes. It's most definitely NOT like a mosquito, it's a CLOUD of them!
Sure, the Tartars catapulted bodies of plague victims during a seige in the 1300s. But throwing a plague victim's body is a far cry from knowing that the vector is flea-ridden rats and using the rodents instead.
Actually, it's more the fleas than anything else, so launching a flea-ridden human is better than a rat. The fleas start leaving the victim as soon as he dies, but enough usually remain in the clothing to be dangerous. The true advantage of a man vs. rat is that no one is likely to bother to try and clean up the rat body, whereas a human corpse they'll be dragging it away as soon as they can-- all the while being bitten by plague fleas...
That secret is actually quite sophmoric. Most pros do not do this, only ones that aren't really good enough so they cover all their bases.
This is true, but I don't think he was saying taking hundreds of pictures indiscriminately is the way to get a few good shots. I think it was implicit (though, admittedly, not necessarily obvious) that one should be choosing one's shots rather than firing off the camera at every turn. The real wisdom is to choose your shots and not just take one picture.
Oh, HONESTLY. All right then, substitute the words 'how should society protect itself' for 'how do you run a world' - it makes no difference to my original argument.
It's just a small semantic thing, but the two questions aren't the same thing. The latter could be taken to assume that the answer is to devise some way of "running the world". I indeed understood that the gist of your question was more along the lines of the former; I simply found it interesting that when I considered the root of the problem, I found the direction of the solution to be the exact opposite of the wording of your original question. To wit. Q: "How do we run such a world full of WMDs?" , A: "By somehow convincing anyone with WMDs that it's not their world to run." It's really the only way such a situation can end without mass death.
Your theory falls apart when you realize that topics like germs and disease carriers and how they spread infections are relatively new.
It's not necessary to understand germ theory to figure out that launching plague victims via trebuchet into a besieged city might be a good way to end the siege faster. My caveman/rat theory was admittedly an exagerration; it was never meant to be taken literally. My point was that biological/germ warfare likely came about as soon as someone put two and two together and dumped a rotting carcass in the other tribe's watering hole.
Bill Joy is apparently a compulsive risk-mitigator. From the NYT article:
"Joy is a film buff, and he recently outfitted his basement with a spectacular home entertainment system. He also happens to be a bibliophile, so he bought three handbooks -- ''Halliwell's Film Guide,'' Pauline Kael's ''5001 Nights at the Movies'' and the ''Time Out Film Guide'' -- to compare reviews. ''I was going through the books and found out there are only about 2,000 movies in history in which there's critical consensus that they're really good,'' he told me. ''So I bought 600 of them.'' No bad movies, fewer possible bad outcomes."
I find it interesting that he finds the possibility of seeing a bad movie so abhorrent that he only bought movies that there was positive critical consensus on. That's just plain weird. Who trusts film critics anyway? Is he so sure of those film geeks opinions that he'd base his entertainment solely on their discretion?
For germ warfare is not new. In fact it is over two hundred years old.
Biological warfare is a lot more than 200 years old. I'd wager that man was throwng dead rats into enemy caves as soon as he figured out that dead rats carried disease.
I'm hoping that event will be Time Travel. It's high time we understood the true nature of space time and figured out how to control the fourth dimension.
Time is an illusion employed by the consciousness in order to prevent having to deal with everything at once. Every instant in time is simply part of an already extant continuum. It's like a story in a book: the story is already there, but you haven't read the pages ahead yet. Some think this brings up the whole fate vs. free will debate, but actually it renders both points of view irrelevant as neither view "the future" as a static thing.
This is, of course, all just philosophy, suitable for discussion or spreading over the garden to promote growth.
Barring medical breakthroughs, AIDS will kill every one of the 40 million people currently infected with it.
Minor technical nit: One cannot be infected with AIDS. One is infected with HIV. AIDS is a syndrome generally associated with HIV infection, but HIV infection is not a surefire predictor of AIDS.
The whole point of the race is to see how well non-government groups solve these problems and to gain new insight on how to use technology.
Just getting something that works makes them winners.
Huh? Define "something that works". None of them completed the course so you obviously mean something less than that. A robot that manages to get out of the starting area? One that doesn't flip over on the second turn? I'd say none of them are winners, but now they have valuable experience. Don't devalue the future achievements of real winners by awarding the title to people just for showing up. Like the other poster said, you make it sound like the Special Olympics.
Parent was right--child porn creators and users forfeit their rights. It doesn't matter whose socio/religious/cultural values one is holding. Same is true for whites supremacists and other various hate groups; when the views expressed by someone are universally, irrefutably, unquestionably harmful to other people, that person should not have the right to speak.
Denying rights without due process is a Bad Thing. This means that someone, somewhere, is sitting in judgement of another person's words with no responsibility to do the job fairly.
BTW, the "views" of a hate group cannot in any way be "harmful". Actions, yes. Voiced opinions, no. The power of free expression isn't that people can say inoffensive things in public, it's that one can stand on a street corner and say things nobody wants to hear.
Yeah, the Hogs were crazy. I was an 05G (the buddy fuckers).
Heh. One of those bastard COMSEC guys, eh? I heard they rolled you guys into 97G...
The 05H barracks at Devens had a big ass pig painted by the CQ desk.
Hah! I heard about that! I went to the F8 school (Tactical Intel Analysis) at Devens and used to hang out with those poor 05H slobs. Fun thing to do to Dit-Dahs while drinking: lightly tap the tabletop in an irregular pattern, slowly getting louder and louder. They won't notice at first, but soon they'll start twitching, trying to decode the morse code that isn't there and type it on a typewriter that's not in front of them.
They had nice looking chicks though.
What was the deal with that? They were pretty hot when I was there too. I was there in '88. You?
The military write everything in caps. Goes back to the days when they only had teleprinters which could only do caps.
A funnt thing happened to me once in the military regarding the ALL CAPS thing. I was a 98C - SIGINT Analyst. Most of what I dealt with was typewritten hardcopy from either Voice Intercept/Translators (98G) or Morse Code Interceptors (05H). The morse code intercept guys would type everything in caps. First thing they'd do upon sitting down was hit the CAPS LOCK. I once asked one of them if he could type lowercase for me because it made it easier to differentiate letters and numbers. He said "Nope. We always do uppercase." I asked him why, and he said "'cause it comes in as uppercase."* I never asked again.
There seems to be a mistake in your comment, let me correct it for you [i]If only that were true. On the scale of bad things that [/i]the US does to others[i], the Abu Ghraib incidents are such small potatoes that, 10 years from now, you won't be able to find any significant number of people who'll cite the Abu Ghraib torture as even one of the top ten reasons they hate the US.[/i]
No, that's not a mistake. Take a look around, man. Man's inhumanity to man is not the sole province of the US, nor is the US even a leading contender in the race. The fact that it happens all over the world with such dismal frequency is a major part of the reason Abu Ghraib will be nearly forgotten in 10 years.
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Quoted words straight out of Bill Joy's mouth:
"I was going through the books and found out there are only about 2,000 movies in history in which there's critical consensus that they're really good," he told me. "So I bought 600 of them."
This, told to a reporter interviewing him on the subject of nanotech risk mitigation, suggests a parallel line of reasoning. I seriously doubt Mr Joy just flew off on a tangent about how he happened to have chosen the 600 movies in his basement. No, they were talking about reducing the possibility of bad outcomes. YOUR interpretation, which totally ignores context, is far less plausible.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that the "Uncanny Valley" might not exist and that people just think they don't like glassy-eyed photo-realistic too-close-to-the-real-thing renditions of humans? It seems to me that the "intrinsic divide" is the observation, and the specifics of the causation of that divide are what are unclearly mapped.
That's one thing I've always liked about America's Army. The developers are constantly pushing to move the game towards realism. It keeps away the "haha! you sux0rz, you n00b!" bunnyhopping jerkweeds you find in games like CounterStrike. Usually I can't play for more than about 45 minutes before I need to go do something else less stressful. This is as it should be because, ultimately, what they're simulating isn't a game. I think it's been an instructive tool for showing some of these kids that it isn't like it is in movies.
Welcome to my poor man's experience of the Venus Transit of 2004, from the far eastern island of Singapore.
I didn't RTFA, you insensitive clod! :)
Just a wild guess, but judging by the web address under his name in the .sg domain, I'd say probably Singapore. Certainly fits the palm trees and places-where-venus-transit-was-visible requirements.
That SPAM solution is a classic case of Your Mileage May Vary. I personally don't even bother to delete spam, I get so little of it. My girlfriend, who's address is a fairly common name at a .edu domain, gets about two hundred a day. At those volumes, you're getting another one every few minutes. It's most definitely NOT like a mosquito, it's a CLOUD of them!
Yeah, but he used a view camera. Anyone who's ever had to buy film for a view camera tends to think along the lines of "plan better, take fewer".
Actually, it's more the fleas than anything else, so launching a flea-ridden human is better than a rat. The fleas start leaving the victim as soon as he dies, but enough usually remain in the clothing to be dangerous. The true advantage of a man vs. rat is that no one is likely to bother to try and clean up the rat body, whereas a human corpse they'll be dragging it away as soon as they can-- all the while being bitten by plague fleas...
This is true, but I don't think he was saying taking hundreds of pictures indiscriminately is the way to get a few good shots. I think it was implicit (though, admittedly, not necessarily obvious) that one should be choosing one's shots rather than firing off the camera at every turn. The real wisdom is to choose your shots and not just take one picture.
It's just a small semantic thing, but the two questions aren't the same thing. The latter could be taken to assume that the answer is to devise some way of "running the world". I indeed understood that the gist of your question was more along the lines of the former; I simply found it interesting that when I considered the root of the problem, I found the direction of the solution to be the exact opposite of the wording of your original question. To wit. Q: "How do we run such a world full of WMDs?" , A: "By somehow convincing anyone with WMDs that it's not their world to run." It's really the only way such a situation can end without mass death.
It's not necessary to understand germ theory to figure out that launching plague victims via trebuchet into a besieged city might be a good way to end the siege faster. My caveman/rat theory was admittedly an exagerration; it was never meant to be taken literally. My point was that biological/germ warfare likely came about as soon as someone put two and two together and dumped a rotting carcass in the other tribe's watering hole.
I find it interesting that he finds the possibility of seeing a bad movie so abhorrent that he only bought movies that there was positive critical consensus on. That's just plain weird. Who trusts film critics anyway? Is he so sure of those film geeks opinions that he'd base his entertainment solely on their discretion?
Biological warfare is a lot more than 200 years old. I'd wager that man was throwng dead rats into enemy caves as soon as he figured out that dead rats carried disease.
Time is an illusion employed by the consciousness in order to prevent having to deal with everything at once. Every instant in time is simply part of an already extant continuum. It's like a story in a book: the story is already there, but you haven't read the pages ahead yet. Some think this brings up the whole fate vs. free will debate, but actually it renders both points of view irrelevant as neither view "the future" as a static thing.
This is, of course, all just philosophy, suitable for discussion or spreading over the garden to promote growth.
Let me try again:
"Is someone seriously suggesting that Gore Vidal is equal to James Watson on the subject of genetics and mutation?"
Hyperbole content of the above aside, I think the problem stems from the very idea that someone should be deciding how the world is to be run.
Minor technical nit: One cannot be infected with AIDS. One is infected with HIV. AIDS is a syndrome generally associated with HIV infection, but HIV infection is not a surefire predictor of AIDS.
This possibility has been dealt with at length in the novel, "Kalki" by Gore Vidal.
Are you seriously citing fiction by Gore Vidal as a reference on the subject?
Just getting something that works makes them winners.
Huh? Define "something that works". None of them completed the course so you obviously mean something less than that. A robot that manages to get out of the starting area? One that doesn't flip over on the second turn? I'd say none of them are winners, but now they have valuable experience. Don't devalue the future achievements of real winners by awarding the title to people just for showing up. Like the other poster said, you make it sound like the Special Olympics.
Denying rights without due process is a Bad Thing. This means that someone, somewhere, is sitting in judgement of another person's words with no responsibility to do the job fairly.
BTW, the "views" of a hate group cannot in any way be "harmful". Actions, yes. Voiced opinions, no. The power of free expression isn't that people can say inoffensive things in public, it's that one can stand on a street corner and say things nobody wants to hear.
No. It's always been 300 miles in 10 hours. If someone said 60mph, their math was very, very wrong.
Heh. One of those bastard COMSEC guys, eh? I heard they rolled you guys into 97G...
The 05H barracks at Devens had a big ass pig painted by the CQ desk.
Hah! I heard about that! I went to the F8 school (Tactical Intel Analysis) at Devens and used to hang out with those poor 05H slobs. Fun thing to do to Dit-Dahs while drinking: lightly tap the tabletop in an irregular pattern, slowly getting louder and louder. They won't notice at first, but soon they'll start twitching, trying to decode the morse code that isn't there and type it on a typewriter that's not in front of them.
They had nice looking chicks though.
What was the deal with that? They were pretty hot when I was there too. I was there in '88. You?
A funnt thing happened to me once in the military regarding the ALL CAPS thing. I was a 98C - SIGINT Analyst. Most of what I dealt with was typewritten hardcopy from either Voice Intercept/Translators (98G) or Morse Code Interceptors (05H). The morse code intercept guys would type everything in caps. First thing they'd do upon sitting down was hit the CAPS LOCK. I once asked one of them if he could type lowercase for me because it made it easier to differentiate letters and numbers. He said "Nope. We always do uppercase." I asked him why, and he said "'cause it comes in as uppercase."* I never asked again.
* morse code is just letters-- it has no case.
I totally can't wait to see how you employ the cannon that fires heads of cabbage. That episode totally ruled!
No, that's not a mistake. Take a look around, man. Man's inhumanity to man is not the sole province of the US, nor is the US even a leading contender in the race. The fact that it happens all over the world with such dismal frequency is a major part of the reason Abu Ghraib will be nearly forgotten in 10 years.