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mattyrobinson69 writes "According to The Register, 'The RIAA wants your fingerprints.' They've teamed up with VeriTouch, who say 'In practical terms, VeriTouch's breakthrough in anti-piracy technology means that no delivered content to a customer may be copied, shared or otherwise distributed because each file is uniquely locked by the customer's live fingerprint scan.'" No details, but the article talks about a locked-down "wireless media player" to prevent such passing around.
how this will work with porn movies...
now playdough is going to become illegal under the DMCA because it's a circumvention tool :)
Yeah right...
Having your music locked to you instead of your computer almost sounds fair. I did say almost...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/16/gummi_bear s_defeat_fingerprint_sensors/
they just don't get it do they?
Locked down devices have no future. Witness Sony getting its but handed to it by apple, after years of walkmen, by making intentionally defective products
and I'll say it again:
If I can hear it, I can copy it.
These companies who are selling technology "solutions" to the piracy problem are like snake-oil salesmen selling cures to old ladies. It might make them feel better, but it doesn't make a damn bit of real difference.
---- El diablo esta en mis pantalones! Mire, mire!
Because we all know how terrible it is to let a friend borrow your movie or music. Jesus h christ.
The image is a dream, the beauty is real. Can you see the difference?
This is The RIAA's dream. Everyone has to buy new... it's no longer possible to sell your music or give it to your little brother.
However, the principle buyers of music, PCKs (Poor College Kids), won't bite because they sell their crappy cd's and buy used ones that they think they will like.
Disclaimer: I am a PCK.
You have to ask if mugshots are to follow. DNA sample to buy a CD ? This does tend to confirm that the music industry considers there customers criminals and feels they should be treated as such.
I can allready see the boost in music sales this will bring.
RIAA asked for it. They got it...
/me gives RIAA the finger
Happy now?
they'll have to make do with my middle finger. Hope that's okay.
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This will go over like a lead balloon.
I love these wacky ideas they come up with, they're so unbelieveable implausible. It's nice to know that they're wasting a fuckton of money on R&D for thie type of crap though.
Because I'm getting in the latex finger/thumb print business.
-- $G
If this goes mainstream, I won't buy another piece of music. Not another dime....
Hear that, RIAA? If my idea goes mainstream, how does UNEMPLOYMENT sound??????? I can tell ya, it SUCKS!!!!!!!
This kind of non effective piracy control reminds me of "1984". This is not going to work. I wonder if I could send RIAA a "fingerprint" of my ass crack.
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
The real question is what if they can individually mark the music you purchase, and hold you liable if that music shows up on the net?
Cash is going the way of the dodo. I imagine there will be some degree of outcry to this in general, but already almost everyone's using check cards, ATM cards, and what have you and the music industry just may decide to stop allowing the purchase of music with cash, effectively eliminating anonymous purchasing.
Copy protection is inherently breakable if you allow the person to play the music back. The same is not true for watermarking, and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to go this direction in the long run.
...has to say it:
I'm a parapalegic, you inses....
Oh, you get the idea....
Probably a violation of RIAA, but you can always copy your fingerprints using that red wax stuff that comes with certain types of cheese, not forgetting plain ordinary sellotape.
Does lending music to a friend not constitute as fare use?
What about when you die, if you have a sizeable music library (such could be considered an asset) how will your family be given access to it?
They are wasting their time.
Burn Bright or Fade Away
No, this will only succeed if the RIAA is prepared to start shooting offenders. Or slightly less drastically, paying Congress to force people by law to buy such hobbled devices. In any case, it still won't work because people will develop biometric hacks, such as breathing on the fingerprint reader to reactivate the previous fingerprints: Voila! You're in. Sorry RIAA, you will lose every time.
They're watching old Mission Impossible episodes and reselling the technology to the bloated RIAA.
I think that I'll corner the market on the A-team technology, start filing patents and help with the war against proper audio distribution.
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Is there a psychological term related to getting your stories rejected on slashdot?
No one is going to go for this. Now you have to buy a proprietary player AND keep all your music on it?
The big 5 are digging their own grave.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
They really want your DNA in the long run... so be careful where you aim. :)
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
Mod chips in 3... 2.... 1...
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Crushing dreams at the speed of sarcasm
Makes me wonder if the RIAA will have some way to verify that it's actually a fingerprint they're getting. Simplest circumvention method I can think of is to lock the file with a random ubiquitous object (i.e. paper clip) and then anyone can unlock it with the same object.
If i can HEAR it, I can RIP it.
however, anal probing may be more successful.
hummm... how hard can it be to add a USB connector to a dildo.
Quick! I have to fill a patent before someone stole my idea.
well, it's certainly good to know that if someone kills me or takes off my arm they still won't be able to get my music.
Seriously, someone who anally rapes you when you play their "music"?
I really can't comprehend how a bunch of people sat together in a room and were like, "oh yeah, people are gonna love this, this is a great idea!". How detached from reality can they be?
Enough people are already paranoid about use of fingerprints, etc, but apparantly there are enough sheep for companies to make money.
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WHOOOHAHAAAHAAAA Americans are allowed to have guns, but gloves are slowly becoming a capital crime hahahahaha.
It's not just their president we have to laugh at. Oh dear... do I have to appologize now or is it to late and is the invasion of my country already being planned ?
I want to lend a movie or CD to a friend? Do I have to be with them to scan my fingerprint every 15 minutes to keep the movie or song going? This seems to be going a bit beyond copy protection and into restricting my use of what belongs to me. Lots of people argue that they purchased the CD or the movie and should be allowed to copy it or back it up. Thats a pretty grey area. But I should be able to give my CD's and movies to whoever I want. If I want to go sell a bunch of old movies on eBay, do I have to file with the MPAA for a fingerprint change? Like the title of a motor vehicle? This is pretty invasive.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Reading between the lines here is an implication that music will be sold on a "single user license" basis. Note that this differs from a "single seat license" since the right to enjoy content will be granted to the individual, not the stereo, the household, office, or other potentially multi-user location.
Would couples need to scan both sets of fingerprints? Families?
Oh, and never mind your right to privacy...
"Imagine if wagon-wheel manufacturers had
criminalized the tire."
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This may sound really stupid, but what happens if one takes a razor blade and cuts off their finger prints? I've done this to myself before, it doesn't hurt and leaves your finger smooth, free of unique prints, pink, and sensitive.
On another note, I'd think that the public wouldn't buy into this one and just wait for another wireless media player. Something like this will scare the public as well.
And here's a clickable link to the gummy bear fooling finger print scanners thing. Come on people, monkeys can be tought basic HTML.
If you are going to do something this complex you are going to have to close the analog hole. Next thing you will have to have the speakers surgically implanted into your ears...so that you can only hear input from an "approved" device.
Ahh...crap I better shut up giving them ideas.
*runs to patent the idea*
McK
This is perfect! I've always wanted to pay more for something because it comes with some sort of arcane and pointless feature that decreases functionality! It's like they read my mind! I don't even pirate music, the rewards vs. time invested for me just doesn't work out (apparently, no one else with a computer likes the music I look for). However it's measures like this that would drive me to rip&burn my way through anything i ever might want. Yes let's not even get into the fact that fingerprints change, and I've no faith in fingerprint scanners to begin with, and when you couple that with a cheap piece of crap stuck on to a portable player.. I'm sure it'll work just fine. Even after I wind up with a few new scars across my fingerpads, I'm SURE it won't accidentally lock me out of my own music! Oh and I bet if that DID happen the RIAA would gladly and with all due haste remedy the situation with a new copy of those now-locked songs for me.
... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about.
I'd like to see this technology used extensively. Only then, when it's absolutely ridiculous, can there be the kind of angry, widespread non-cooperation that can bring down or properly declaw (regulate) the RIAA.
Things are bad now, but they're not bad enough to spark a revolt against the RIAA. They don't realize it, but they're bringing about their own doom.
-Jem
...especially for this guy.
> VeriTouch's breakthrough in anti-piracy technology means that no delivered content to a customer may be copied, shared or otherwise distributed because each file is uniquely locked by the customer's live fingerprint scan.
That would be great! I hope they completely lock the music down. They should also implement a LoJack system that detects potential piracy and alerts the DOJ, whose jackbooted thugs swoop down for the arrest.
Please, hasten the destruction of your industry. The faster that happens, the faster you will be replaced by a more open, fair, democratic online sales/distribution system.
The RIAA recently announced the addition of Mr. 3 of 5 to it's board of directors. In a statement Jack Valenti welcomed the newest addition to it's board and said his mission was to better integrate consumers and media while fighting music piracy. 3 of 5, according to industry insiders is advocating the discontinuance of MP3 and CD audio formats in favor of using of a DRM restricted biomechanical implant that would allow individuals to wirelessly download and play audio directly through the implants interface through neural pathways. The RIAA's own consumer audio download service "AudioCollective" is said to be in the works which will provide the online retail and DRM mechanism for this new device. Both Congress and the FDA are rumored to be strongly in support of this new technological development which they hope will prove a boon to the US economy and help stimulate a slowdown of growth in the research and technology sectors. In addition the FBI is said to be in talks with the RIAA in regards to extending the functionality to include law enforcement uses.
From the linked article: "iVue: a wireless media player that allows content producers to lock down media files with biometric security. This week Veritouch announced that it had demonstrated the device to the RIAA and MPAA.
"In practical terms, VeriTouch's breakthrough in anti-piracy technology means that no delivered content to a customer may be copied, shared or otherwise distributed because each file is uniquely locked by the customer's live fingerprint scan," claims the company."
Now just who is going to buy this, a player that you can't let your mom or girlfriend (ok, that's not a problem for Slashdotters) or colleague borrow, that you can't use if your hand's in a cast or even in a glove (nobody plays MP3s on cold days?)?
And worse: how do you purchase tunes? Presumably, you'll have to present your fingerprint on purchase so it can be matched to the fingerprint when played. So will the media player lock you into purchasing only from merchants that process your fingerprint? How will you play free music -- like the legal live band recording at archive.org?
Perhaps it will also play fingerprint unencumbered music, but then what's the point?Why go to the extra trouble to purchase from a fingerprinting vendor, which at least will probably require hooking the player to your PC, providing the fingerprint, transmitting the stored fingerprint from the media player through the PC using some proprietary mechanism like an Active-X control?
again, who will want to pay extra to deal with having to provide a fingerprint?
The answer: no one.
So will it be legally mandated, or are the big record companies planning to stop selling CDs and sell only encrypted, DRM'd music? It has to be one of the two, or else this product has no market.
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I haven't bought a CD for at least three years, stopped downloading and quit listening to the radio. If I need music I use my own drum machine and play my own guitar, which doubles as a bass when EQ'ed just so. If I can't use the computer to download or listen (DRM) to music at least I can use it as a multitrack recorder.
Rather than buying things with your money, tell suppliers, of whatever, how good or shitty their products or means of distribution are with it. You'll be suprized how much money you'll save.
Got willpower?
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Let me save you from having to read this (and the next 15) articles on this type of subject:
Some Company You Never Heard Of Invents Magic Copy-Protection
WebMasterJoe writes "According to YoureAllPirates.com, the RIAA is planning to switch to a new format [com.com] which will be "easy to use, and impossible to circumvent" by means of scanning your brain and the brains of your fifty closest friends to determine if anybody is attempting to duplicate, distribute, or remember any of the content, and if anybody is stealing the music, the device will emit a small cloud of sarin. The device will be included on all new consumer electronics and will require Microsoft Windows XP. The RIAA hopes to begin the switch in 2007."
Nice idea, but it will never work (Score: 2, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward
As long as I can plug the stereo line out into the line in on my computer, I'll still be able to make a copy!
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But What About Linux? (Score: 4, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward
Well, I only use Linux because everything about it is better than that BSOD OS, and they better make a free open-source version for Linux or else I'm going to continue to not buy any more CD's!
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Wash, rinse, repeat...
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No way.
Average people aren't going to like that. Sure, maybe on a door lock for their own house or car, but your Internet-compatible music device? No way.
The market for finger print devices will always be for people to protect their property and privacy, not to participate in the protection of giant media companies' dollars.
This kinda reminds of of the idea that the more you punish a child, the stricter you get, that sometimes it just makes them rebel even more. I understand this is their billion-dollar industry, but can't they see every step they take is doing so little good, and that they'd try a different philosophy?
I know nothing
Carbine? Is that a cross between a car and a combine harvester? Maybe you can use a toe. They have prints too. They're just like fingers, only you stand on them or something.
Stick Men
The RIAA is very excited about their newly discovered way to stifle fair-use and beat down consumer rights.
They seemed to have forgotten that two years ago Finger Print scanners were tricked by then a little known Japanese cyptogropher named Tsutomu Matsumoto. This pretty much stalled adoption of finger-print scanners indefinetely since supporters were unable to prove they could outsmart his meddling.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1991517.stm [BBC.UK]
I'm sure those who want to will find an even easier way of defeating it on a hardware/software level rather than resorting to copying finger-prints. But still you think the RIAA themselves would follow security news.
Something intelligent here.
How to break the cycle?
Method 1 - the stupid method - rant about basic issues of copyright like whether it should exist at all. insult the RIAA/MPAA and accuse them of being worse than hitler and thus antagonizing the situation more. talk about the loophole technology of the week, be it freenet or the MIT 'on demand' system or bittorrent or whatever while giving a "substantial noninfringing uses" wink wink.
Method 2 - the reasonable method - foster a culture that respects copyrights and really and truly frowns upon piracy. rational behaviour leads to being able to enter into sane dialog with rightsholders about the future of intellectual property in a digital age, including looking at which areas of IPR are out of date or need revision. the culture of respect and no-tolerance-for-pirates allows for a wider range of useful services to be deployed that are now possible thanks to new technology. everybody wins.
I suppose I owe the RIAA a micropayment just for the use of that quote.
Watching these "innovations" the RIAA and MPAA are continually coming up with are akin to watching the painful machinations of a dying animal as it struggles to stand when the wise owls watching from high above know it never will.
Litigation is the last bastion of an outdated business model... until the voyages into the simply fantastic. The RIAA is missing the fundamental engineering tennet of K.I.S.S. If I have to do a backflip through a small steel hoop and flip a quarter into a bottle across the room to hear the latest Oakenfold track I paid for and downloaded, I won't pay for it any longer. I'll surf over to the BBC and listen to Pete Tong instead. If downloading music online brings a lawsuit to my doorstep, I won't download music online.
However, if I don't hear the Oakenfold track and I don't download the song, they have driven me away from their own product effectively into the hands of a competitor's product. If Toyota wants a DNA test before I can buy a Prius, I'll happly drive a Civic Hybrid all day long.
The RIAA has spoiled child syndrome in that they think we, the consumers who work for the money to purchase the product, have an unconditional love for them. While I have an unconditional love for music, I do not have an unconditional love for a specific artist or song. If I can't hear Oakey, Digweed will do. If I can't hear Digweed, KCRW will do. If I can't hear KCRW, FriskyRadio.com will do. An onward. I have no allegiance to the RIAA and neither do most consumers.
While the Slashdot crowd cries "what abou the 90% of people that are dumb and follow the pack??? we know OGG but they don't! They don't even know the EFF!" They will all be fine. The RIAA is undoing them already. Who is going to buy a hundred CDs for one song when you can buy an iPod for $400 and download 99 cent tracks you can burn for the car? The fire is lit, it's catching, and all those talentless middle manageres will quickly find themselves looking to diversify once the hammer really drops on ubiquitous computing.
Until then, they are wasting money dancing in circles and pissing people off and neither is a positive way to run a business. They're only saving grace can be if the government litigated a music purchase line into the tax code. The RIAA would be safe then, but the government's a little busy bleeding itself to death right now, so I think the RIAA is all alone, dying in the middle of the forest as the other animals watch.
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Another handy thing this'd kill would be those pesky used music stores. And heck, who knows, if they can lock it to your fingerprint, maybe they'll make you rent music instead of buying it someday.
Or am I just being paranoid?
It's funny -- you can lock down a player all you want, but not the output. Nothing stops you from running a standard audio cable from the output (headpone or speaker jack) of the DRM'd device into the input of an unrestricted device, thereby allowing you to copy the music.
Sure it's analog (unless you use S/PDIF), and there will be a slight reduction in quality, but it will definitely be a useable recording.
Yet another DRM technology defeated by a simply workaround.
-Jem
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I would never give my fingerprint to a BANK let alone to play some music.
..... right.....
Yeah this is going to catch on
What is next, implanted devices that will prevent you from seeing or hearing content you are not licensed for ( or that the government doesn't think is acceptable ) ?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I really don't understand all the money they are investing in these technologies. In the end, there will ALWAYS be a way to copy static media.
.1% risk they might have to pay $1000.
I mean, worst cast, I just chop off the wires on my headphones, stick them into a high qualitiy digitizer/sound card and press record.
For video's, you could effectively do the same thing by running the SVIDEO out into the SVIDEO in on your video card, or if they figure out a way to block that using macrovision II, some bright person out there will just alergator clip the leads going to RGB guns in a television and redigitize the signal on the fly, converting it back into a useful TV signal, or just digitizing it straight to a file.
I mean, in the end, a good ol' cam corder and microphone will do the job in a pinch.
The only thing they are doing is wasting money.
The only solution to this problem which is passive is to make there be some reason for people to WANT to pay for some reason -- which for static media probably isn't possible.
The only active solution I can think of is to do what the UK does -- drive around in signal snooping vans and try to pick up missing watermarking signals in the intercepted video, or videos of substandard quality being played. Somehow I doubt the ACLU would stay quiet about such an "invasion of privacy".
Suing everyone in sight is probably the only practical thing that will ever make any difference at all... Fear is the only other motivator you really have. So far they're doing that, but they'll have to expand their efforts by 10x-100x before it really makes a dent. People just arn't afraid of a
Software should help people, bring people together, make stuff easier to do. It should not restrict us, seperate us, and make things harder to accomplish.
i love it when the RIAA does shit like htis publically
they're like the evil villian in the top hat w/ the handlebar mustache trying to get the girl on the train tracks killed and every single time they do shit like this they cement that image into the minds of everyone they come in contact with...
the more hated the better, people wont' stand for not being able to play their music WITHOUT A FUCKING FINGERPRINT SCAN FIRST ahahaha hell they might as well have you verify every single song individually (fun while driving i'm sure) and have a lil webcam that broadcasts live spy video of you wehrever you are back to RIAA Headquarters so they can invidiually charge all the people within earshot (maybe they'll switch to retina scans/facial recognition to make this easily debited from your bank)
The slump in sales this would create if it was forced as a standard would no doubt be blamed on P2P/Mp3s
I used a remote control. Or perhaps i HACKED IT, just like how EVERYTHING digital can get hacked. Learn, RIAA, and stop making digital securities: lower your @#@$ing prices and give the artist a better cut.
They can have my fingerprints.
On second thought, I'll just give them the finger.
I can't wait until I cut my finger by accident, leaving a scar and changing the print pattern.
"Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
you never had any privacy
More rubbish imo.
Hey Regans Dead. Maggie will be upset. Hmm. news.
You might hate his music, but George Michael has released his LAST store CD release. Everything from now on will be available online only! This is a huge step forward for the artists themselves.
Bands like U2 and Aerosmith need to follow suit, drop their labels, do all their own production (which they do anyway) and sell their songs themselves. The day of the middle man making money off of the talent needs to come to a close. Our rights as consumers and fans are being infringed. The artists are the ones that need to step up.
Lars if you're listening, drop Electra and start doing it all yourselves. Control your own distribution!
Peace
... Me, I use a remote control for my cd-player... *sigh* better start going to the gym now...
There is never, ever, any need for MS Comic Sans
What about people pirating and selling fake thumbs?
--Manuel
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it takes to develop matrix/terminator style armageddon machines
something tells me the warchest at the heart of the beast is rather large
Is the day i absolutely refuse to buy any more music.
You know, I honestly hope they impliment this so that piracy can't take place, and no matter if you hear it over MTV or a mp3 or public radio you have to pay to listen each time.
Then the public in general will finally realise what a big joke the music industry is and revolt.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
They should fix the CRAPPY radio stations in the US. I can spin the dial and not hear a single note most of the time. Its all sheepdip: 30seconds of low quality samples glued together or some pointless self promotion "oh how I love your station" break.
And its all cowbells, explosions or other earsplitting audio assaults. Here is a hint:
Have them play LOTS of music, a few NON INTRUSIVE ads that dont hurt my ears, and some more music.
Let the DJ talk ONLY if there is a national emergency and we need to go to the shelters.
And not through a stupid stupid reverb box like all of them do. ALL of them! ITs the same guy!
"THIS IS STATION WXYZKPRP GIVING YOU THE BEST MUSIC ON THE WHOLE PLANET ONLY I AM NOT PLAYING MUSIC ANYMORE BECAUSE I AM TOO STUPID TO OPERATE THESE NEW COMPUTERS AND WHY CANT I HAVE MY VINYL BACK? I AM GOING TO TALK IN THIS REALLY DEEP VOICE AS LONG AS I POSSIBLE CAN UNTIL I CAN GET THIS MACHINE TO SPIT OUT ANOTHER SONG. THIS STATION IS NUMBER ONE IN ITS REGION.....
...and then mock them mercilessly.
But seriously though folks:
1) Nobody would bother to buy one of these, there's no upside. We've got CD's today. We've got dozens if not hundres of choices that are far less restrictive.
2) If nobody will buy one, then they won't make one.
I can only conclude that this story is probably a fake, perhaps spread by the RIAA to see what the reaction of people is likely to be.
Some 5 years ago I stopped buying from RIAA con sorte. I have bought some CD's since, but they are made by independents and sold only at concerts, in a pub, etc. I do not give CD's (or, for that matter, DVD's) as presents.
RIAA has made themselves irrelevant to me. I do not worry to much over their antics, as the world will spin quite well with or without them. Sure, put fingerprint detectors on CD-players. I'll buy that cheap Chinese CD/MP3/... player without Big Brother. Or I'll use a PC. Or I'll do... whatever has to be done not to play their game.
Game Over, RIAA. Enjoy the twilight, while it lasts.
--frank[at]unternet.org
the average music listener isn't going to go for such a draconian scheme. Were they to force people to fingerprint themselves every time, nobody would listen.
The RIAA never ceases to floor me with their lame attempts at control.
Watching a few different news shows in the past, I became aware of people that are born with a rare skin disease that renders them without fingerprints for life. As you can well guess, it's a major pain to exist in our society without fingerprints for identification.
What about these people? Will they have to resort to some other sort of fair use tactic just to listen to music they've paid for?
A little googling turned up that these people with out fingerprints can still be identified, but what a pain!
(http://www.scafo.org/library/130102.html)
I can say for sure, that I won't be purchasing one of these new devices.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will
One thing about your statement, S/PDIF is digital and caries the digitized audio part of a file unchanged, if the audio signal contains some form of watermark it won't be filtered by the interface. If the DRM is contained in the file headers or metadata it won't be found at the other end of the cable since S/PDIF only carries the audio part of a signal and apply it's own headers which are only present during the transfer. Therefore, it depends on how the DRM works for an S/PDIF transfer to result in a DRM free file..
Being as I DJ for pleasure I buy 100% of my music on 12" Vinyls.
;)
Greasy fingerprints can really ruin a good record
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Just because they both end with the same letters doesn't mean the GNAA has anything to do with the RIAA.
At least I hope not. I sincerely hope not. Although it would explain a lot....
Is it worth it for me?
At a certain time, one just have to ask it, how badly do you want it?.
When I passed those teenage years, music became less important to me, I still enjoy it. But when you have past those hormone racing days, I'd just say thanks, but no thanks.
No doubt the attitude towards obtaining music or how to treat it, is a problems.(Music? that's something you download, for free, on the internet). But they(the music industry) have had years now to tackle this. And all they have done is, are making enemys of those who love it most, by rejecting the technology these people have grown up with. But that is besides the point.
These days, I'd rather do without it(the music) rather than have to deal with annoying protection schemes.
Like the copy protection on DVD's that allows me to play it on my monitor, but refuses to play it when a TV is connected to my NVIDIA card's S-VHS output. I did have a laserdisc in the old days, but I don't watch many movies these days so I figured that my PC would do for a DVD player, but no.
Of course if their sales fail on this new media, they will just blame pirates, instead of a bad product, like a normal business would. Crybabies, I have no sympathy at all.
I don't even give that cashier over at Best Buy my zip code when he/she asks for it so you know darn well the chances of me buying any device that needs my fingerprints, dna or mothers maiden name for me to use it isn't going to be purchased any time this side of the end of time.
Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
You walk into the music shop.
You: I'd like to buy the latest... err.. Eminem single, please. Erm. As a present, you know. For my little brother.
Sales assistant: Certainly, if I can just take your fingerprint...
You: Fingerprint? I didn't know it was a crime to buy Eminem records. Yet. Although I'm sure somebody's working on it.
Sales assistant: No, no, it's just to stop other people from using it.
You: No, no, you don't understand. It isn't for me. It's a present.
Sales assistant: Sorry, we need a fingerprint.
You: He lives five hundred miles away.
Sales assistant: We can sell you a voucher? Or maybe you could get him to send his finger to you?
What the hell makes the RIAA think people are going to eat this up? It just makes listening to RIAA music more annoying.
Making listening to legally purchased music more difficult and annoying is not going to stop people from illegally downloading RIAA tunes. If anything it'll turn more people to illegal downloading and buying from non-RIAA lables.
-Derick
If the watermark in a region that is not audible then adding even less random noise to obscure the watermark is also not audible.
"This is The RIAA's dream. Everyone has to buy new... it's no longer possible to sell your music or give it to your little brother. "
Well considering I'm not buying RIAA music. How are they going to stop me? If it's some music I created as a musician (and hence the copyright holder). How are they going to stop me? If I bought a used CD. How are they going to stop me?
" RIAA asked for it. They got it... /me gives RIAA the finger "
Is that the same one you used in the porn and LinuxToday story?
Fuck Them
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Now every time I lose a finger I'll have to re-buy my entire music collection.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Of course those who once who said the USSR would last forever now say its fall was fore-ordained and Reagan had little to do it. And the Eurotrash will still hate him for saving them from a political system they always secretly admired more than their mediocre, bourgeoisie democracies. But the truth is winning out, even as they wonder down in Berkeley and in Paris why the former-Warsaw Pact countries follow Washington instead of Brussels.
Music recordings that cannot be played back!
You don't get to listen to it, but you can possess a copy. The RIAA values ownership of the music much more than anything about the music itself. I see nonplayable recordings a perfect fit for their "mine, mine, mine" mentality.
They're the people who can't consistently keep their website on the air. I doubt that there is anyone on their payroll that subscribes to BugTraq or Full Disclosure.
Ironic, since they started out as a technical standards organization.
Tech Public Policy stuff
How on earth is this breakthrough technology? finger-print scanners are old news, sticking one on an mp3-player is irrelevant as much as it is bad PR. These people really dont get it do they? if you can hear it you can copy it full stop! I think the technology industry is taking the RIAA for a ride "sure sure this will stop them for sure, we'll put some program on a CD (ok so we know that the shift key will stop it but man this is going to make us rich!.. for 2 months)" now its finger-print scanning, tomorrow its iris, whatever, just aslong is i can get some of this action! ive got an idea to stop pirates with erm err encrypted headphones! yeah i can sell that :)
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Uhm, nothing in the press release I'm assuming this article was based on suggests that the RIAA endorses this product or is even considering it, just that the company demoed it for the RIAA.
I hope this isn't a trend, "Hey we've got a large audience of people who hate the RIAA! Let's publish articles that suggest they are up to devious tactics, even when we have absolutely no proof that they are. Our readers will love that! Our ads will get more clicks! Everyone's happy!"
Regards,
Tim
Not an RIAA fan
We're not going to see such totally locked-down portable media players for a long time. Why? These things have to be *cheap.*
Though the iPod has created a huge range into (under) which players can be priced (yeah, thanks Apple), there are still extremely cheap players that provided all necessary functions, for $100-$150. Unless this media player is *cheap,* as in $50 or less, no one's going to go for it. They'll choose the well-established Rio or Dell or whatever in favor of the RIAA-locked player.
> > If I can hear it, I can copy it.
;-)
;-(
> Aha! That's the solution: make it impossible to hear!
Now we know why the RIAA is forcing Britney Spears on us.
Oh wait. I mean:
Until the point that there's a chip in your head (okay, even at that point if people are adventurous enough), you can still copy the decoded music that's travelling in the air. But with audio coming out as encrypted in the air and decoded on a chip in the brain, parents will truly have good reason to call the music their children listen to noise.
Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
I wonder how this will play when persons without the use of their hands (ie: lost limbs in war, accidents, etc.) take it to the supreme court?
Disabled person: "Your Honor, I lost both arms defending this country in wartime. I can no longer purchase nor listen to music because the RIAA is discriminating against me!"
RIAA Lawyer: "Your Honor, we aren't discriminating against this poor handicapped person! We want his/her money as much as any other person! It's not our fault the plaintiff doesn't have the use of a fingerprint! Can't you see that this diabled person is really a music pirate trying to cicumvent our CD protections and threatens our very livelyhood, as well as the next payment on our new Mercedes?"
Judge: "I find the RIAA guilty of violating the Disability Rights Laws of this land and hereby fine the RIAA $6 billion dollars and sentence all RIAA members to listen to 4 hours of The Backstreet Boys each day for the next 8 years. Additionaly, a way for disabled persons to buy and listen to music will be provided immediately!"
And, what will the Movie Industry require us to do to watch a pRon movie? Inject a sperm sample (for a DNA fingerprint) into the hole on the side of the video player in order to watch the movie????
"All great technologies of their time got their boost from porn (VHS, internet, etc)"
Slashdot
actually its simpler
while (true)
# 10 produce(media);
# 20 pirate(media);
# 30 lockdown(media); abilities--;
# 40 break_lock;
# 50 goto 30;
no that is not any known progr, langu.
Why is everyone worried about the fingerprint things?
About two hours after they release encrypted music using this scheme there will be an open source decryption utility that will crack such music and allow it to be used on any player or computer you want.
Like some one else said the company pushing this is looking to make a quick buck off of people that don't know technology and don't know any better.
of us with out thumbs. Insensitive Bastards!!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
Begin Stuff
==> Error Stack overflow
How many times does this organization have to shoot itself in the foot before it dies?
I worked at a place that required finger prints as a confirmation that employees weren't checking in / out for eachother. After a few years the system got so bad that you could check in with the wrong finger, with someone else's finger, with toes, with an elbow... I've even signed in using a warm hot dog.
In short, the real-world performance of these systems is still greatly up in the air, and is by no means a solution to security problems. The idea of etching a fingerprint photograph onto a PCB and into a gummy bear is ingenious, but somehow I doubt that after a few years of being kicked around any of these systems will be sensitive enough to tell if you took a picture of a fingerprint or of the president's head.
The ______ Agenda
Actively supporting those (labels,locals independants) who are not evil,such as Magnatune, is more effective than simply not buying from the RIAA and friends.
So, my choice is either to purchace an expensive new proprietary player and then buy music that is severely limited in how I can use it, else use the hardware I have now and download from the net? Huh, pay lots of money and screw myself, or go the free route and live a happy life. Why am I always confronted with choices like this?
... and the littlest chair was just right!
Next fairy tale, please?
The only way they are getting my fingerprints is when the ink them from my cold, dead fingers.
Or, even simpler, pay some kid $20 to buy the a CD. Cash sale. Minor cannot be held to contract. It is not illegal for someone to purchase unrestricted merchandise for some one else. It is not yet illegal to resell discs. Police can't do much of anything.
Just like most security systems, this will tend to protect the innocent who probably would not significantly violate copyright and are probably not the one that the RIAA cares about. However, unlike many security systems, I see little that protects the innocent from those who would desire to circumvent the system.
I mean, this system encourages the criminal element to target the unsuspecting, and the RIAA doesn't care because all it wants to do is file bogus lawsuits and net a few thousands dollars in extortion fees.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
But all your crap is going to reduce the amount of media I purchase by about 99%.
The very idea of fingerprint authorization to buy/listen to music is preposterous. Do they really think people are so desparate to buy their schlop that they would put up with this? It's easier than this to buy FIREARMS!
I have to believe that with all those dollars, *someone* in the music biz must have half a brain and realize this. Why, then, would they propose such a scheme?
The only reason I can think of is to make whatever they are really planning seem totally reasonable by comparison.
I bet McDonald's came out with an extra large size for their combo meals for the same reason. "Going Large" doesn't seem too excessive next to that EXTRA large...
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That article has to be a fake: What happens when you die? to my son I leave my right hand... What happens when you sell your cd collection to the local secondhand shop.. what happens when your sittin round with friends and it comes time to change the music.. I have to get up every time ? what happens if your working away from home? does your wife have to wait untill you get back from your trip... Oh wait there is the latex finger, well I suppose you can ensure she doesn't miss you too much... what would be the score with DJ's ? Job security ??? who comes up with these idea's the articles a fake isnt it ? isn't it? unless.. 1)impliment finger print scheme 2)Kill music sales entirely 3)Everybody pirates everything 4)Sue everybody for copyright infringement Profit!
Blarney Quality Restaurant, Plants
Scene 1:
...How much is that shotgun?
Roommate: Hey, the CD's over and the party's dying. Get up off the floor and put another one on.
You: Ngguh.
Roommate: You've got to. It's your fault for getting smashed by 11.
You: Nnnnuuuuuuuh.
Roommate: Dude, that cute girl in red has been giving me looks all night. You have to keep the party going.
You: Nnnnuh. Nuhhhhhhhh.
Roommate: Allright, we'll do this the hard way. Give me your hand. Guh! Damn you're heavy. Guh! Ok, over to the stereo! And no grunting in protest.
Roommate: Phew. I knew we should have just played MP3's.
Scene 2:
Employee: Welcome to Walmart! How can I help you?
Customer: I'd like to buy a copy of "Vespertine" by Bjork.
Employee: Ok. I need your fingerprint and 3 forms of ID. There will be a 4 day waiting period while we burn an individualized copy.
Customer: What?
Employee: We do all of this for your convienience.
Customer: That doesn't make any sense.
Employee: See, right here on the label of the sample box. It says "For your convienience, this recording is individually traced."
Customer:
Employee: Fourty-nine ninty five, with your super-saver card.
Customer: Deal. [turns gun on Employee] Now give me that CD.
Employee: Sure thing.
Scene 3:
[Scene 3 has been lost. The woman delivering scene 3 to the studios struck a telephone pole while trying to get approved by her biometric car stereo. But on the bright side, none of the medics stole any of her CDs.]
The ______ Agenda
And still, the analog hole remains wide open. Plug player into your line-in port, rip to mp3, download it to your iPod, send to your friends, post it on Kazaa, and enjoy.
How do you think mp3's of vinyl releases end up online? Granted, it takes longer because it's harder to do, but it eventually gets there.
As long as you can listen to it, there's simply no way to prevent it from being duplicated. But we all knew that already.
The RIAA needs to come back to reality. They are taking the whole online music sharing problem way too far...Adding a biometric check to allow me to listen to a couple tunes? GET REAL! If it goes that far I'll just stop listening to music, or will just listen to the radio. There is no way this will catch on...there is just too many privacy concerns.
I've had bowel movements more informative than that discussion page.
So all that's left is method 1.
Incidentally, anyone who uses terms like IP (intellectual property), just has an axe to grind. There's no such thing as IP in any code of law. There's copyright law, trademark law, patent law, and trade secret law; but these things are completely unrelated. IP is term invented by monopolists who want to confuse stupid people, so that they don't know what their actual rights are with respect to things like software, music, and technology.
You know, people aren't going to like this crap they keep trying to shove through. It's going to get to the point where there are going to be huge record company acts like Madonna and Britney Spears, and then there are going to be other acts who couldn't give a damn about them all, and who make music for other reasons than gigantic shitpiles of money. It's already happening. Ultimately, in this situation, I think heart may win out because good music requires heart. (Not Heart the band. :) )
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
...that was used to hold down shift in order to circumvent their last silly attempt at copy protection?
Unless technology provides any useful upside for the consumer, it's not going to pan out. This technology could be used as a basis for global authentication, making tedium like PGP keys a thing of the past. Instead, the makers concentrate on protecting content providers.
Think small.
I don't have much to say about this new RIAA initiative. Except, everyone, think about the kind of world the corporations are evidently planning for us. It is easy to imagine a day when I am biometrically linked to everything I might see, hear, use, smell, eat, taste, excrete so that a small fee passes for the privilege of engaging in any activity to which some corporate entity has a lawful stake, be it via patent, copyright or license fee. We will all become nothing but a slimy biological link between various corporate money repositories.
It's not a pretty picture to most people I hope. Some kind of collective disengagement from the corporate agenda (I don't mean to pick on any person here - the corporate agenda is an emergent phenomenon dependent on but not reducible to the motives of individuals) is worth thinking about.
Just to be safe I left my ass print on the front windows of the RIAA headquerters.
So, anyone with a brain takes a piece of paper with a printed "fingerprint", and everyone uses the same fingerprint. Unless they Force you to thumbscan AT THE REGISTER with someone verifying your thumb.. its easily circumvented. Hell, who would really verify? you just wear the "public print" taped to your thumb when you buy the cd. Cashier's could give a crap.
meh
we can get fingerprint images from a bit torrent and print them out using a laser printer, then roll a juicy gummy bear over them to make them usable?
Good - his government was a major sponsor of world terrorism. May his soul burn in hell...
Oh well, what the hell...
But you can always capture the actual sound with a microphone, unless the RIAA gets the government to ban normal ears and mandates use of an encrypted direct-injection model.
Customers wont buy it. If the record companies want to fool themselves that this will end piracy, its their money to spend. Fools and their money will be soon parted. If this hastens the demise of the music monopoly, hallelujah!
So now people will have to send digital photographs of their fingerprint together with digital content, so people could reproduce it Tsutomu Matsumoto style:
"His more interesting experiment involves latent fingerprints. He takes a fingerprint left on a piece of glass, enhances it with a cyanoacrylate adhesive, and then photographs it with a digital camera. Using PhotoShop, he improves the contrast and prints the fingerprint onto a transparency sheet. Then, he takes a photo-sensitive printed-circuit board (PCB) and uses the fingerprint transparency to etch the fingerprint into the copper, making it three-dimensional. (You can find photo-sensitive PCBs, along with instructions for use, in most electronics hobby shops.) Finally, he makes a gelatin finger using the print on the PCB. This also fools fingerprint detectors about 80% of the time."
I wonder how long before the first universal fingerprint starts circulating like proprietary software activation codes do today.
In practical terms, VeriTouch's breakthrough in anti-piracy technology means that no delivered content to a customer may be copied, shared or otherwise distributed because each file is uniquely locked by the customer's live fingerprint scan.
Let me guess... Those geniuses from VeriTouch haven't read this 1998 essay by Bruce Schneier, have they? So... They have finally invented a working copy-prevention technique. Bravo. I've been waiting for literally decades. Have they also invented a lossless compression of random data by any chance? Because it would be great if they had. It would make my network faster. Also, I would like a pony. My God, what a waste of time...
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
*puts on tinfoil hat*
...
I'd love to see how they're going to stop me from running a cable from the headphone jack to the audio input of my sound card. Proprietary headphones? Then I'll tear the fuckers apart and wire the speakers direct.
Not to mention, the price will be higher, and nobody will buy it anyway.
DIVX IS DEAD! LONG LIVE DIVX!
This is very insightful. Very insightful indeed. Do I have to remind the 1769 history of 13 years old Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756-1791) and the Miserere by Gregorio Allegri in Sistine Chapel? I don't think so. I believe everyone here remembers how this one of the unquestionably most significant and influential composers in history, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, was the first person who has literally circumvented the copy-protection of Sistine Chapel with nothing more but bare ears and his pure genius. Please let me quote Wikipedia:
It is worth repeating: If I can hear it, I can copy it. Amen. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart himself has proved it in the age of 13. Could we really need any better proof? Could there even be any better proof? Please keep in mind that there is more complexity and beauty in every minute of Allegri's Miserere than in the whole content produced by RIAA in any year. Let us not forget this very important fact.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Because they are afraid to lose 60% of their customers to tell them to piss off?
im sorry, that math doesnt add up. RIAA, you failed this exam.
actual comic genius
It was supposed to read:
Because they are afaid to lose (less than) 20% of their sales revenue, they are willing to implement restrictions that will cause (more than) 60% of their customers to tell them to piss off?
...the more of your former customers will slip through your fingers.
Fucking nazi scum. What's next, blood samples when you buy the CDs? A lien on your firstborn?
Even if this does make it to marketplace (and I very much doubt it will) it will die a slow, twisty death as its proponents tell us how much better it is and the rest of us stick with existing hardware.
How will this work with existing hardware, by the way? Are you going to force a new format down our throats? MD, DCC, DAT, all miserable failures. DVD-A and SACD are gaining a tiny amount of ground, but I don't see much of a future for either apart from extreme "golden ears" audiophile applications. That tells me that most people are happy with CD quality audio, so you won't be able to sell them the new format on the basis of enhanced quality.
So will this product have a tag line like, "The same music you already paid for on CD, but with fewer playback and copying options than ever!"
You people just don't get it anymore. Why won't someone put the RIAA out of our misery? Please?
The more intrusive scheme RIAA can concoct, the more people will resort to the alternative, whether it's "legal" or not. It's a privacy issue. I seriously doubt that even a "good" person who listens to "decent" music and pay for the priviledge likes the fact that RIAA gets his/her listening habit. And oh, what happens when, say, one accidentally burns one's thumb during cooking?
One thing RIAA forgets is that there are millions of unprotected music out there, enough for one to listen in one's lifetime. Then, there is that annoying "only one unprotected copy released to P2P breaks the dam and flood all with copies".
What happens if, in some freak accident, your biometric identifier finger is severed and misplaced -- do you have to purchase all of your music all over again?
reference this post.
p.s. I also eat babies, and try to convince people to not listen to popular music.
lose != loose
Fingerprint sensors are not the most durable things. PORTABLE music players are often used and abused in a rugged environment. Wonder how these two will work together.
The additional hardware will also cost additional money. How will this be passed on to the consumer? Will the consumer pay for the "novelty" of these devices?
Pressing the "play" button Finding Nemo for the 12th time in the last three days, Daddy really got fed up with this lunacy.
It will also spell disaster for those people who buy DVD libraries together aka the custody battle: who gets which DVD, news at eleven!
If 1 person can make it 2 people can break it. This is almost as good as "encoding dvds". That lasted really long. THe reason they are loosing money is they are wasting money on all these stupid schemes. The record company is loosing money yet all these companies making mp3 players are making a damn fortune. You win some you loose some.
If you can play it out of your system, and get the needed "noise" out of your speakers...What's wrong with analog? You won't miss much. (BTW, most people old enough figure out how to copy music on a computer have lost much of their hearing, anyway. And, will never hear the difference.) You can bypass the digital layer protection, and not lose much. (Or, maybe loose all the caltrops that the industry puts in the way of what sound be "fair use", as long as you don't give > 2^+inf copies to your friends.
That's the way it went with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation tapes along the way.
And, god-forbid the exclusively digital days, where you will have to use multiple mics on your speakers to re-attain an approximation of the sound quality. But, this will be in reach of those well-enough off to buy a PC.
If you read the originating companies (there's two of them) PR, they state only that they have "demonstrated it to" the RIAA. That's very different, and shouldn't be taken to be an endorsement by them. My guess is that what this amounts to is they called up the RIAA and said "we have a brand new DRM system that will solve all your problems!!! Do you want us to come and show you?", and the RIAA said "sure, we'd love to take a look".
That the best they can now say in a press release is that they "demonstrated it to" the RIAA makes me think that the reception was lukewarm. I guess we'll have to wait and see. The RIAA have certainly supported dumb ideas before, but at this point I don't see any evidence they're actually backing this one.
This shoulda been a reply but owell...
All this talk about protection methods led people to sony and cd's, then to tying peoples names to music files so if they were uploaded to the net they would know who did it...well not true, you can easily re-encode music via your sound card, line out goes to line in and a viola drm free 100% perfect copy that can be compressed in your favorite format and uploaded at will.
Take a look a the long history of "secured" content that no one would buy, and how many of those are still around today?
Perhaps people have said this too many times in similar discussions, but if you think the RIAA and its member companies are being ridiculous (which is my position), don't buy their music.
Where my position might differ is on the subject of file sharing. I think the only thing that will ever get the attention of the publishing industry (book, CD, DVD manufacturers and distributors, etc.) and politicians is an honest boycott, and this would have to include file swapping.
When I read an article like this one, my first impression is that these people are out of their #*(@ing minds. Require finger prints in order to listen to music? Is this an April fool's joke? My calendar must be wrong. It is only the incredible demand for these people's products that makes such a plan remotely conceivable.
An actual boycott of RIAA/MPAA products would send this message: we don't want your products if you are going to engage in this type of sleazy business practice; change your ways or you won't get our custom. Swapping files says (to people with a completely skewed world view) people really want our product, and if we lock it up tightly enough, we can get more business.
For the pity's sake, people, this is not quashing of political dissent; it's not banning controversial books or manipulating the stock market. We're not talking about politicians lying for personal gain. This is music.
It's important, it's part of our culture, and we're talking about the livelihood and creative freedom of musical artists; but we're not talking about life or death (yet), and I think we could do a lot of good, perhaps even help to bring about copyright reform by simply saying, "RIAA, Fuck You!"
-Philip
We're wanted men. I have the death sentence in 12 systems!
When it comes out simply do not buy this shit. The only reason why the RIAA is around to do this stuff is because people are buying their stuff, if no one buys their stuff then they go away/bankrupt.
3dinfo@maficstudios.com
Now, if you think that I'm gonna take off my gloves at -40C just so that the RIAA can prevent me from lending my player to my Girlfriend, I've got an ice plant in the arctic to sell you.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
A conflict of interest for Sony, as they have a record label too.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Everyone will buy it, when no alternatives exist. How many DVD players out there can skip through the non skippable previews on some DVDs? What's the technical reason for that inability, there isn't one.
It will eventually be government mandated like HDTV recorders not recording in HD...
Did this a while back. Went in talking financing, worked the deal to get the price low knowing they would attempt to make it back on the contract.
At signing, paid the debt in full. No questions asked at all. We counted the money, I left with the car.
Never underestimate the power of cash to sway a car salesman.
Blogging because I can...
You dont have a whole lot of choices - either accept their payment terms or umm get out...
I agree 100%. The increasing proliferation of ownership of every facet of life by some corporate entity is a new form of feudalism. Corporations will own the rights to the physical and mental processes required to do all the things that we enjoy or need. Essentially we will have to pay for the privilege of existing in their world from one moment to the next.
On MacHall It's spans over about three strips, so make sure you view all of them. The cd player prods him and asks him analyzes his DNA.
Sig: I stole this sig.
...Its just that we insolent bastards won't give it to them.
I had a dream last night: How much Crack would it take to have "A bunch of pipe hittin' Niggaz"* to go medieval on the RIAA's asses?
I'd kick in $100...
Think we could set up a paypal donation account?
I'd bet we would even get a few artists to kick in; especially if they could pick out people for 'special attention'.
* Not tryin to be racial or anythin' but Tarintino's line kinda puts thru the feelin I had in mind. White boys like to break kneecaps with tire irons too. Especially of assholes who run monopolies, like the RIAA, MPAA, and hell, while we're at it, M$ too.
.. I was going to say he was hallucinating in some Drug-induced stupor, but you were much nicer.
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
The RIAA, artists, distributors, and the entire music industry should just stick to what works, and what has already been proven.
Just stick to producing country music, and that feel-good gospel stuff as well.
Nobody is going to copy that.
Heres another great idea, this time from the milk industry.
.. arnt doing this already ??
Add a use by date to the CD, so that after say a week or 2, the music is no longer interesting.
Wait a minute
...would shit himself.
Now the RIAA wants to discriminate against physcially challenged individuals? What will the RIAA be required to do for people without hands, fingers, eyes, etc.?
but then I realized it was not... the RIAA has repeatedly gotten away with crap like this for one reason and one reason only: 99% of Americans are clueless automatons that don't care what they have to do to get the latest Britney or Jessica or Christina album for their clueless automaton 10-year-old kid. Most of these clueless automatons wouldn't know what an acoustic guitar was if you smashed one over their heads, and certainly have no idea that non-RIAA bands exist. They only listen to what their friends listen to, which is, incidentally, what MTV tells them to listen to. They all drive the same SUV and all live in the same suburban McHouse (or McMansion for those who are too stupid not to get overextended to buy a house made of sawdust and glue). They all wear the same clothes and go to the same movies and eat the same food, because that's what the TV told them to wear, see, and eat. They don't have appreciation for things that are well-made, nor for culture (except pop-culture), talent, or charisma. They only know that their clueless automaton of a kid wants the next Britney album, so paying the water bill might have to wait. They all live paycheck to paycheck because they're too stupid to stick to a budget, and they are all too busy working overtime to keep their jobs for the same reason, which is why MTV is raising their children in loco parentis, and why children bring small arsenals to school and mow down 40 of their classmates. I personally know at least two clueless automatons, I'll call them cow-irkers for now, who live in these giant McMansions, but don't even have a mattress for their kids to sleep on. They get pissed off if anyone other than they get overtime hours, and are always selling something on the ad-board in the kitchen adjacent to cube-land because they were too eager with the credit card and realized they couldn't buy food unless they got rid of their new-fangled widget they saw an ad for on MTV. In the relentless pursuit of material nirvana, the clueless automatons will accept anything they must accept in order to stay one step ahead of their neighbors at 125 Fancy Subdivision Circle, including having to be fingerprinted in order to get permission to listen to music[sic] that the RIAA and MTV told them to listen to.
Electra= Warner Bros= AOL= Turner
Peace
There will always be a market for machines that don't comply... people who will convert digitally locked files into analog and back to digital sans locks... There are so many ways to circumvent the technologies that the corporate Bozos keep pushing around the circus tent, that I can't even imaging why they are spending so much time and energy to lock down that which cannot be locked down.
I have close friend who is an ex-spook... security expert. She laughs at people who live in Japanese Summer houses, who spend the national deby installing steel vault doors on their abodes, forgettingt that the walls are all made of paper. In effect, looking for high tech solutions to low tech problems... and all those problems which have absolutely nothing to do with tech (like greed, power-lust, control freakiness, and a millitaristic mindset...) This is a total and pointless waste. The truth is, until these people produce value, they can expect to watch their net worth sinking into the sunset...
Genda
Now when your ipod gets seized on the street, they will also take your fingers.
I can only think that this is a deliberate attempt to kill off the purchase of the 'hardware' ie. physical media, and replace it with a pay per play system, so you won't ever own the music, but can purchase it online every time you want to play it for a nominal fee.
Don't go to a brothel if you want to buy broth
The RIAA can't have my fingerprints, I'm Canadian. God, I love being Canadian!
- Gives the RIAA the f^ng^r!
A perfect audio compression algorithm would remove exactly everything you don't hear. Since watermarks cannot be heared, an ideal audio compressor would therefore just remove them.
Although a perfect audio compressor doesn't exist (and probably won't ever), this shows that all watermark mechanisms are inherently fragile on improved audio compression algorithms. That is, algorithms which weren't developed with the intent of removing watermarks, but just with the intent of saving memory/bandwidth.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
This is precisely why mainstream music sucks so much. All the corporate BS...all the money thrown at marketing, advertising, image consultants, legal teams...this isn't what music is supposed to be about. Music is supposed to be someone who sits down and uses their talent to make sound that touches the soul of the listener...whether it be by drowning their brain in pounding beats and droning synthesizers, or soothing the heart with quiet piano and a sultry voice. This generation has lost the true meaning of what music is all about. It's okay though...if things continue the way they're going, the big producers won't be able to make any money because we will get so sick of hearing their crap and putting up with the copy protection death squads, and the real artists, who derive their motivation and emotion from actually having to work every day and live real lives will start exchanging their music in small groups and forums for free...just for the sake of enjoying other people's creations. Then music will right back the way it started.
Bollywood is gearing up to sell mp3s as by the time RIAA figures out what is the way to follow we'll all have learned hindi.
This is paranoid. The reason there is still paper money is because its too expensive to covert all of society at once (and that there are so many poor countries in the world wherer eating is a problem)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
about the laundry angle. It was late, during one of their: "we won't go home until we sell 100 cars" deals.
More in my journal... (OT, and all that)
Blogging because I can...
Someone is set up us the finger.
What you say?
Please kindly remove your finger with the sharpest knife available and send it to RIAA. Remember, our license means that if you play, listen to or even hear any of our music in a mall or on the radio, your first born belongs to us too.
I can understand that this sort of thing gets everyone's feathers in a conceptual ruffle, but really all we need to do is wait. There have been many different posts pointing out the pointlessness of any system for media copyproofing, so what's really going on here is that some clever (and probably rich) geeks are taking the music industry for on really long ride.
"Sure. Modern computers will let you copy protect your revenue stream... It'll just take us... Umm... 6 months to write the system!"
And why not indeed? It's just another case of the usual total disconnect between marketing promise and techincal understanding, except *this* time it's the techs taking advantage.
The music industry has hated copying at least since tape was the medium of choice for "piracy", it's just that someone has noticed this great market nieche in a really large, really paranoid industry. Milk 'em for all they're worth, I say; especially if they're going to be as pesky as they are.
Jaye.
Joe consumer will not stand for this for one bit.
The Gov. in Ontario was going to to do this for Wellfair cheques and they had to backpaddle in under 24Hours after it became public.
Let them build the units but charge the for the disposal fee when they can't sell them!
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
So while I would agree with you that there are many people out there who want to see cash go away we aren't there yet and, unless the economy and infrastructure canges radically, we never will be.
unfortunately, what percentage of software out there was actually designed with this ideal in mind?
(well, 5.8*10^12 lines of open source code on sourceforge, 9.6*10^15 lines of code in longhorn... you do the math)
being an idealist is very frustrating in an un-ideal world...
Just paste 'em over the buttons so they always read the same "fingerprint" pattern no matter what (or who) causes the button click. Sounds like the perfect open product design project :-)
Ok, I'm joking, but seriously, do these people never think of how to defeat their technology?
Welcome to the net of 1000 lies. Upgrades are scheduled soon that should bring us to the 10,000 lies mark.
7 June 2004 After reading 400+ postings on the release of VeriTouch's iVue Personal Media Player, I thought it would be useful to provide some factual information about our product to Slashdot readers. As the inventor of the iVue, and a musician since the age of 9 when I got my first drum practice pad, my goal in developing our device was to first and foremost protect the rights of creative artists working in the film and music industries. VeriTouch's vision goes back to the Sony Walkman, which I first witnessed being used by one of the MASH television stars in San Francisco around 1979. It was hard to believe the quality of the sound coming out of those earbuds, and it totally blew my mind that this tiny device was pumping it out! The iVue project has taken almost four years to complete, and we hope to bring to users worldwide an unparalleled power computing device that can offer stunning quality playback of first-run entertainment media delivered wirelessly. The Register news story had some erroneous information in it. To begin with, no one has access to, or can retrieve any user's fingerprint information. In fact, fingerprint information doesn't truly exist anywhere, just cryptographic keys that manage the security of delivered media files to the player. The headline "RIAA wants your fingerprints", then, is not based in fact and it is a shame that this got published. VeriTouch has labored to ensure that at all costs, the customer's privacy is assured and that no private information (especially biometric) can ever be conflagrated. In fact, the customer is empowered in this delivery because they can encrypt and lock any file or data that is stored on the iVue! That means that if it is left on the seat of a cab, no matter because no one but the owner can unlock and use the player. We are simply doing away with passwords by making it possible to simply "push the button", and unlock music, videos, video games and other entertainment content that is delivered. Microsoft, Apple Computer, Real Networks and many others have and enforce DRM technology in the delivery of entertainment media. VeriTouch is doing the very same thing with a novel and decidedly different approach. The fingerprint authentication takes place locally on the individual user's device, and is used to unlock content that is ordered from wireless service providers and delivered to the player for viewing or listening. Yes, the content is encrypted and can only be played back by the customer who has paid for it. Different users can register on the same device, if required, just like any other user account with its own permissions and privileges. To summarize, the iVue protects recorded works by ensuring that original content in the studio can be locked, and that distribution of it can be managed so that artistic IP does not end up on file-sharing networks, or illegal copies manufactured and sold. First-run distribution of newly released movies, music and video games can be enabled with the system by virtue of its strong security. Having the security onboard will not, in our view, detract at all from the user's experience in purchasing and downloading digital entertainment via wireless distribution providers.
Gary E. Brant, CEO VeriTouch Ltd.
Sony got sued by the MPAA for selling VCR's in the US. Although they eventually won in the Supreme Court, maybe they didn't want to get sued again (this time by the RIAA).
I think their main reason is that they also own a music division which they must have felt would be endangered by MP3's.
....but many years ago I knew a guy who used to watch Top of the Pops (on BBC1) with the sound turned off, just to look at the Spice Girls and their ilk.
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