Not so long ago a group of System Admins did a test that happened to prove your assumptions were totally wrong and fabricated with regards to the other free OS out there.
Do you remember that they tested these OS's out of the box?
1. Linux
2. Win2k
3. FreeBSD.
Guess which one came last? Yep FreeBSD.
In all fairness this was an out of the box test, which BSD sucks at. This does add to TCO if you have tweak just to get this going. Anyway, where is your proof about your statements? Ahhhh you have none.
Here is the link to an interesting article that did the comparison, hopefully you can comprehend it:
You know this is aimed at you, someone who cannot understand that the computing world benefits from more than one OS. Luckily most FreeBSD users I know do not carry the same chip on their shoulder as you so eloquently do, that is all you managed to prove.
What defines a Linux server (bearing in mind that the upcoming IDC estimates will make a distinction between a server that is also being used as a workstation, versus a dedicated server)?
I can understand AT&T position on this, you share the network resources with others. If my memory is correct DSL is quite different.
I'll test this "filtering" in a couple of days (DNS updates going on).
If you read the link Slashdot kindly provided for you you will notice this:
Looks as though they updated that part about servers, all I could find was this:
" (b) FTP/HTTP Service Setup. Customer should be aware that when using the Service to access the Internet or any other online network or service, there are certain applications, such as FTP (File Transfer Protocol) server or HTTP (Hyper Text Transfer Protocol) server, which may be used to allow other Service users and Internet users to gain access to Customer's computer. If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security measures. Neither AT&T nor @Home Network shall have any liability whatsoever for any claims, losses, actions, damages, suits or proceedings resulting from, arising out of or otherwise relating to the use of such applications by Customer, including without limitation, damages resulting from others accessing Customer's computer. "
So they do not mind you running the services, just that you are responsible for your security.
For reference:
http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id =7 92&category_id=54
Even remotely technical people seem to know about MSFT's big push with WMA and most seem to want to avoid it. One bad thing, I have seen sites satarting to carry WMA.
Do not forget too, that the owners of MP3 want people to convert to MP3pro. This does make the future a little less certain.
People will generally go for what is easily otainable, right now that is MP3.
What worries me is if this is just the beginning in a wave of attacks.
As everyone notices is that it is being directed against the following:
Microsoft users using e-mail.
Microsoft servers on the Internet.
Sircam is annoying to say the least as that attacks lack of security on the Windows platform and the lack of knowledge of plenty of Windows users.
Code Red mk1 and mk2 attack the lack of security on IIS (patch is available, MS patches known to cause other issues, we hear it) and then spread like wildfire.
StarTux
PS Microsoft is not very proffesional in its conduct IMHO. Its not all about money and power, its about providing the best possible software/service for your customers...
Going to a technical job fair this weekend. Luckily I know a bit (not everything there is to know yet, if knowing everything is ever possible) about running Apache.
Maybe we'll see a rise in demand for experienced *nix and GNU/Linux users...
But one thing to be scared of...If you hold your point up fully then you could be arrested for a lot more things then you can imagine (especially in the UK where a lot of old laws are still in the law books...). Indeed I was informed by a police officer in the UK that you would probably break laws merely walking down the street.
I am not was not intending my post to say, "go ahead and break laws you disagree with".
One other difference I tried to make clear, MSFT was convicted, Dmitry *has not been*. Big difference their. You're meant to be innocent until proven guilty. I was not clear enough in my post obviously.
This is a hypothetical situation that may happen if MSFT achieved what they are setting out to do:
Husband: "Oh look honey, according to the news the Internet got hacked again and according to our bank statement $1000 dollars got withdrawn by an account in Siberia".
Wife: "Oh my love, this is just our modern world, guess we could call the bank and see if this is covered".
Husband: "Yes dear, as that IT consultant said on TV, the software is so complex those engineers over at Microsoft could not possibly cover every base with their QA. I am sure if they saw this they would have stopped shipment!".
Don't think that is much different from the current virus excuses.
MSFT broke the law and should be punished, yes. Why should they get away with breaking a law?
Anyone who compares this to the Dmitry case need to get bonked on the head, hard. They are two totally seperate things. (Whilst I have your attention, free Dmitry!).
MSFT have never learned one thing:
If you are a monopoly you have to act differently, a few too many complaints backed with evidence and you are in the sh*t. MSFT are going to get what they deserve by the law. Its going to be up to the judge.
XP should be delayed and investigated, no doubt about that. As eeveryone knows, this OS is aimed at trying to wrest control of the Internet and then suction money out of its hapless victims. Talk about an Internet Vampire.
Small shops originally were the market, none of these Dell's and Gateway's were really around, but in an average town you had plenty of independant computer stores. This is where the desktop PC revolution had its roots.
Guess what? Lots of independent stores I have been to recently have much more knowledge of Linux than they did even two years, so thats where the demand is (and contrary to belief a lot of people will never buy via mail order for a variety of reasons) too.
Best to remind everyone, Linux desktop is at the stage the server was two years ago, a grass roots level campaign. Right now its too early for the big Dell's to support it (apart from in the server space).
Matt
PS KDE2 and Gnome are sweet! Of course, I would say that:-).
Reminds me of a New Zealander who I used to have on the same Rugby team as me...
He had a story about how there was a rumor concerning an old house that had a beer buried within its walls.
This remained occupied for about 25 years or so, and when it finally became abandoned a whole group of friends went off to this house to see if the rumors were true. After digging through the crumbling walls they did indeed find it to be true, a bottle of beer was indeed their. Now the unbelievable happened, they opened the beer and each took a sip, and each kept saying how disgusting it was, but they continued until they were totally rat a*sed and the bottle ran dry...
Not surprised one of them made this contraption for cooling beer!
That at anytime we could have a big one hit us...And we have no defence against it. Apart from maybe warning us fairly early that times are about to get *very* hard...
Certainly strange...But you will notice that the thread is kind of short. Maybe they only do this on short threads that have the potential to be much bigger....
Try as many as you can until you find the one that suits your style.
Your question was worded badly. I personally like SuSE, but I have friends who like Mandrake, Redhat, Debian and others whose names I do not even remember.
Guess what? They are all happy with what they have, if they ever get upset with a distro they move onto another one.
Slashdot Mirror
Not so long ago a group of System Admins did a test that happened to prove your assumptions were totally wrong and fabricated with regards to the other free OS out there.
1 08 q/0108q.htm
Do you remember that they tested these OS's out of the box?
1. Linux
2. Win2k
3. FreeBSD.
Guess which one came last? Yep FreeBSD.
In all fairness this was an out of the box test, which BSD sucks at. This does add to TCO if you have tweak just to get this going. Anyway, where is your proof about your statements? Ahhhh you have none.
Here is the link to an interesting article that did the comparison, hopefully you can comprehend it:
http://www.sysadminmag.com/articles/2001/0108/0
You know this is aimed at you, someone who cannot understand that the computing world benefits from more than one OS. Luckily most FreeBSD users I know do not carry the same chip on their shoulder as you so eloquently do, that is all you managed to prove.
StarTux
Ack,
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Confusing, but if you look here:
http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_i
What defines a Linux server (bearing in mind that the upcoming IDC estimates will make a distinction between a server that is also being used as a workstation, versus a dedicated server)?
I can understand AT&T position on this, you share the network resources with others. If my memory is correct DSL is quite different.
StarTux
I'll test this "filtering" in a couple of days (DNS updates going on).
d =7 92&category_id=54
If you read the link Slashdot kindly provided for you you will notice this:
Looks as though they updated that part about servers, all I could find was this:
" (b) FTP/HTTP Service Setup. Customer should be aware that when using the Service to access the Internet or any other online network or service, there are certain applications, such as FTP (File Transfer Protocol) server or HTTP (Hyper Text Transfer Protocol) server, which may be used to allow other Service users and Internet users to gain access to Customer's computer. If Customer chooses to run such applications, Customer should take the appropriate security measures. Neither AT&T nor @Home Network shall have any liability whatsoever for any claims, losses, actions, damages, suits or proceedings resulting from, arising out of or otherwise relating to the use of such applications by Customer, including without limitation, damages resulting from others accessing Customer's computer. "
So they do not mind you running the services, just that you are responsible for your security.
For reference:
http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_i
http://help.broadband.att.com/subagreelease.jsp
StarTux
Need this silly law to be dropped, or re-written.
Its bad enough for Linux to be fighting against a bona fide monopoly, but when you throw in the DMCA it could make it next to impossible.
Working on projects outside of the US would alleviate this, for now.
StarTux
Yeah that was a pretty crappy test (we have to ask why?).
I prefer Pepsi by the way....:-)
One thing I have garnered:
Even remotely technical people seem to know about MSFT's big push with WMA and most seem to want to avoid it. One bad thing, I have seen sites satarting to carry WMA.
Do not forget too, that the owners of MP3 want people to convert to MP3pro. This does make the future a little less certain.
People will generally go for what is easily otainable, right now that is MP3.
StarTux
What worries me is if this is just the beginning in a wave of attacks.
As everyone notices is that it is being directed against the following:
Microsoft users using e-mail.
Microsoft servers on the Internet.
Sircam is annoying to say the least as that attacks lack of security on the Windows platform and the lack of knowledge of plenty of Windows users.
Code Red mk1 and mk2 attack the lack of security on IIS (patch is available, MS patches known to cause other issues, we hear it) and then spread like wildfire.
StarTux
PS Microsoft is not very proffesional in its conduct IMHO. Its not all about money and power, its about providing the best possible software/service for your customers...
Going to a technical job fair this weekend. Luckily I know a bit (not everything there is to know yet, if knowing everything is ever possible) about running Apache.
:-).
Maybe we'll see a rise in demand for experienced *nix and GNU/Linux users...
We'll see
StarTux
Maybe,
But is not intentional, nor does the Linux kernel contain a different version of what vmware does.
StarTux
You have a point...
But one thing to be scared of...If you hold your point up fully then you could be arrested for a lot more things then you can imagine (especially in the UK where a lot of old laws are still in the law books...). Indeed I was informed by a police officer in the UK that you would probably break laws merely walking down the street.
I am not was not intending my post to say, "go ahead and break laws you disagree with".
One other difference I tried to make clear, MSFT was convicted, Dmitry *has not been*. Big difference their. You're meant to be innocent until proven guilty. I was not clear enough in my post obviously.
This is a hypothetical situation that may happen if MSFT achieved what they are setting out to do:
Husband: "Oh look honey, according to the news the Internet got hacked again and according to our bank statement $1000 dollars got withdrawn by an account in Siberia".
Wife: "Oh my love, this is just our modern world, guess we could call the bank and see if this is covered".
Husband: "Yes dear, as that IT consultant said on TV, the software is so complex those engineers over at Microsoft could not possibly cover every base with their QA. I am sure if they saw this they would have stopped shipment!".
Don't think that is much different from the current virus excuses.
Matt
MSFT broke the law and should be punished, yes. Why should they get away with breaking a law?
Anyone who compares this to the Dmitry case need to get bonked on the head, hard. They are two totally seperate things. (Whilst I have your attention, free Dmitry!).
MSFT have never learned one thing:
If you are a monopoly you have to act differently, a few too many complaints backed with evidence and you are in the sh*t. MSFT are going to get what they deserve by the law. Its going to be up to the judge.
XP should be delayed and investigated, no doubt about that. As eeveryone knows, this OS is aimed at trying to wrest control of the Internet and then suction money out of its hapless victims. Talk about an Internet Vampire.
Matt
Have not bought a Win CD in 2 years.
But have purchased Linux distro's at least 3 times this year (at $70 a pop, then throw in some Linux games, you get the drift).
windows has slowed down, if not frozen.
StarTux
Everyone seems to forget one thing.
:-).
Small shops originally were the market, none of these Dell's and Gateway's were really around, but in an average town you had plenty of independant computer stores. This is where the desktop PC revolution had its roots.
Guess what? Lots of independent stores I have been to recently have much more knowledge of Linux than they did even two years, so thats where the demand is (and contrary to belief a lot of people will never buy via mail order for a variety of reasons) too.
Best to remind everyone, Linux desktop is at the stage the server was two years ago, a grass roots level campaign. Right now its too early for the big Dell's to support it (apart from in the server space).
Matt
PS KDE2 and Gnome are sweet! Of course, I would say that
Reminds me of a New Zealander who I used to have on the same Rugby team as me...
He had a story about how there was a rumor concerning an old house that had a beer buried within its walls.
This remained occupied for about 25 years or so, and when it finally became abandoned a whole group of friends went off to this house to see if the rumors were true. After digging through the crumbling walls they did indeed find it to be true, a bottle of beer was indeed their. Now the unbelievable happened, they opened the beer and each took a sip, and each kept saying how disgusting it was, but they continued until they were totally rat a*sed and the bottle ran dry...
Not surprised one of them made this contraption for cooling beer!
Matt
Nope, but they have Jonah Lomu!
So when the main plaintiff pulls out (Adobe) the Justice department can continue?
This is too strange? And really absurd...Maybe the efforts should foucs somewhat on the leaders of two countries, Russia and USA.
As someone already mentioned, if this was reversed all hell may have broken loose...
StarTux
That at anytime we could have a big one hit us...And we have no defence against it. Apart from maybe warning us fairly early that times are about to get *very* hard...
StarTux
Nice point...
But no-one has actually read who the layoffs affect, as it said non-technical...
Always worry a little more when its technical staff that end up being laid off...
StarTux
Might be worth checking out, has alot of great articles on there.
:-).
But no-one seems to mention it much, which is unfortunate.
http://portal.suse.de/en/
Check it out
StarTux
Because I remember seeing some security flaws in the 1x versions not so long ago.
:-).
.0 releases anyway?
Plus more eyes are on the 2x sources than the 1x.
Have not even gone into a feature list, you can do that yourself mon ami
This is a problem with 3x, which is pretty darn new. Who trusts
StarTux
Check this...
- 05 -31-002-20-SC
George Tirebiter and then Porgy Tirebiter?
Is this some family feud?
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001
Certainly strange...But you will notice that the thread is kind of short. Maybe they only do this on short threads that have the potential to be much bigger....
For not releasing the GNU/Linux client alongside the Windows version :-).
StarTux
Try as many as you can until you find the one that suits your style.
Your question was worded badly. I personally like SuSE, but I have friends who like Mandrake, Redhat, Debian and others whose names I do not even remember.
Guess what? They are all happy with what they have, if they ever get upset with a distro they move onto another one.
StarTux
Actually...
"A Penguin on an Iceberg:.