Well they would if Adobe had not patented it, but if they had not patented it then where would Adobe be now? Its the only "proffessional" tool used because no-one can make anything too similer out of fear of being sued.
Adobe suck just for what they started with Dmitry, I'll never ever forgive them for that and can go broke for all I care.
MSFT will not admit to any potential problem until they have a fix ready, which is bad as someone will get to know before the admins find out. Also, it makes MSFT look good, "heres a problem, here's a patch". Instead of, "heres a problem, patch within 3 months".
Script kiddies aren't really to be as feared as much as that guy who knows his protocols and systems so well as to be able to figure out new ways into a system and to own it, then go onto the next machine...
Oh do not forget that children are our hope for the future and if they are too educated they may make good desicions based on good judgement, the bad Corp's certainly do not want that, as they will want to know about politics, know what Freedom is and stands for and why the war of Independence was fought, and finally, what the Constitution really stands for.
In fact to beta test the modules this was the only way I can get them to work. Although the plane maker one will not load with the demo as it needs "cockpit:standard:aoa".
Not bad, actually it seems like a lot of fun. Especially with lots of planes already available. Just wish setting up joysticks on Linux didn't suck so much.
Played it too, thought differently. Guess thats apples and oranges:). Its says joysticks are optional, I beg to differ though.
The eye candy is actually a lot better than MSFTFS 2000, which is something I did not expect.
One thing that does stand out is the fully "rendered" Mars, check his website on flying on Mars. I followed some links and found that you can orbit Earth also, not bad.
StarTux
PS Turn indicators on cars as they turn, well not accurate for California I guess:). Take your time, there is a lot in their.
Go to x-plane.com and work it out instead of whining here:).
Really, X-plane had a lot before FU and did it better and to greater detail, however the price tag was $200.
Just go to www.x-plane.com I was totally amazed by the detail. I fail to see what why you cannot find anything amazing in x-plane. Maybe its because its going to be ported to Linux?
Let me guess, are you in the Bay Area? Housing here is nuts, cannot see how it can be sustained as people are taking pay cuts or moving out.
I'd be careful about mentioning other jobs, there really isn't a whole lot out there and he may try and trump you on this alone.
But he will know all about housing and probably listen to your plan, I mean you could well be an experiment to see how it goes (as suggested by others).
Just for the hell of it I tried the tool that they proivide to test for it.
Well it would not run, as it said that this exploit does not work with IP addresses with 0 in it, weird.
Plus you need permission to write to the/bin directory, normally only root can do this. And if someone is running as root they may have many more problems than just this trojan.
Just seems a spin to "ready" the Linux market for their anti-virus ware IMHO.
And it nothing much to do with SuSE getting this investment.
Written by Charles Homs, a senior analyst at Forrester Research in Amsterdam:
"People were looking at potential alternatives: 'What happens if Microsoft splits up? Maybe there's new hope for Linux.' Now that we know that's not going to happen, or at least extremely unlikely, that means less interest in Linux,".
How does he know? This judge is a consumer orientated judge who may in fact be a lot harder on Microsoft than Jackson was. I don't agree with a breakup, but maybe for MS they might get something a lot worse.
Why don't let Mandrake and Redhat die too? Actually Mandrake is based off of Redhat, why need both? SuSE was based off of Slackware...
Getting funding in this environment is not easy as you have to prove your product is worth it. This is what SuSE have done, only trouble with SuSE is their marketing sucks, unlike Redhat.
SuSE have in fact done more for Open Source than you'd realise...And really, if you think just having one less large distro would effect the profit margins of Mandrake and Redhat in this economic environment?
Its much more to do with the current economic downturn than with too many distro's. I base this on the fact that I worked for a Linux company (and got laid off) and see other industries struggling just as much, if not more.
StarTux
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"If that includes web browsing, I disagree. Sadly, most of the technical benefits of Linux are cancelled out of the horrible web browsing software available for it. The Linux kernel beats Windows in any test imaginable, but in browser tests IE 5 walks over everthing else by a wide margin. Sure, you *can* browse with Opera or Navigator, but only if you're willing to accept that you won't be able to view a good number of sites correctly. (You can take the idealistic "I don't want to see those sites anyway" road, but not everyone does."
Actually you are wrong, ever try Konqueror or Mozilla? Pretty darned nice. Its the lack of education on the part of Web Designers when they optimize for IE, instead of Any Browser:
www.anybrowser.org
www.penguinfriendly.org
Two sites that are trying there bext to stem the slow tide of IE specific sites.
The worst offenders are commercial sites of all places.
But if they use their Internet connection for mainly educational purposes then I cannot see them having that many issues, if any at all. In fact most sites run perfectly well (never had Flash lock me out due to it being old! Had it lock out on some werid 3D stuff though).
In fact some IE sites may just lock you out based upon the fact you're not running IE, even though Konqueror/Mozilla may well render the page correctly.
Really your issues are purely FUD and are hardly based in the real world to any large extent. Right now I am using Konqueror.
This is great that a school has done this. Hopefully more will follow, then finally the owners and designers will have to think about providing support for Linux. Support for Linux basically means good web design anyway.
In the beginning Freedom first arose amongst the Greeks, but she was not fully fledged and was young and naive. She eventually left the minds of Humankind until she gently entered the minds of some Knights in 1215, who then put the seeds of Democracy into written Law at Runnymede. However, she was not content with this and yearned for a place and a time when Humankind would be of Free thought and Will.
Eventually, some bright scientific minds working in a large English colony on an Eastern Coast of a large land mass started to think up great and wonderful ideals, likes of which She had only ever dreamed of! Events took their stride and a land based upon the greatest of human Ideals became a reality: Thus the United States of America came into existence:
With it she bought these values unto the Land:
Freedom
Justice
And the Free Pursuit of Happiness
She thought her job was done and so went off to Europe, where her work was even more hard. But after almost two hundred years she thought her job was done. Little did She know, for one so Old, that her job is never done. A new threat emerged after the great battle of the years 1939-1945 and the Cold War years of 1945-1991. Little did she know that what was made to protect the small person in his pursuit of Happiness would turn into something so perverted that it would threaten his very rightful right to Happiness and reward. And it came through a system She thought would suit the Freedom of the individual from exploitation; The Law. The DMCA as it became known, was bought forth by a Monopoly of studio's to help keep them in their lofty position, free to carve up the World into regions to maximise profit.
She is always an eternal optimist and has to rely on others to know the Rules of Tyranny:
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
- Frederick Douglass, civil rights activist, Aug. 4, 1857
Any power that can be abused will be abused.
- Tyranny Law #1
Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it.
- Tyranny Law #2
If people don't resist the abuses to others, they will have no one to resist the abuses to themselves, and tyranny will prevail.
- Tyranny Law #3"
Are we to enter a new Dark Age?
These are Churchill's words during the Battle of Britain:
"if we can stand up to him [Hitler] all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age..."
This new Dark Age maybe thus:
" if we can stand up to them [DMCA et al] all the World may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age..."
Protracted and extended by Ignorance of the populace, they will work their lives, but something will be missing. Real Freedom, of expression and of Thought. These were now being patented and protected through Software patents, how long till they patented expressions and thoughts? Or is this already so?
Yet there is a Glimmer of hope, a hope small but visible. In small houses and apartments around the Western around people, men and women are worrying and thinking of things to do. Knowledge is there to be shared, to help Humankind ascend the mountain of Higher Being.
Just leave it to work itself out...Just like people iun the US thought Hitler was good, you know he kind of kept those Communists at bay. Never mind the fact that he wanted a nice living area for his master race
Unfortuantly most large corps by their nature think bottom line all the time. A Prof. may well be very annoying, but you cannot martyr him, so how about a pesky Russian? Oh yeah, thats ideal. His Government needs cash, so we can ignore it. Oh yeah the mainstream media will not touch this.
If you are an idealist maybe you need this:
http://www.despair.com/pessimistmug.html
A few doses of that and you're going to be back on track my friend.
"and guess what? Linux is great -- that is if, and only if, you have perfect hardware and perfect setup and a standalone system. The minute that something is out-of-spec, linux goes AWOL and the poor desktop user is SOL because they don't know the difference between KDE and dd. OTOH, I've plopped in the install CD for W2K, filled in a few simple details, walked away, came back 30 minutes later and had a system up-and-running without any problems. Sure back in the day of WinNT4 (I humbly agree that Win9X was a POS, but don't get me started on why those existed and why customers demanded Win98SE and WinME...) there were a bunch of problems, but I have had very few problems installing windows 2000 systems (and *zero* on reputable machines (i.e. Dell), well there was that 1 problem, traced to a defective HD)... And secondly, as soon as the user wants to do something new with their system, they're SOL again, not only because installing isn't as simple as "click here to download, run setup.exe and you're installed" (albiet lately in linux it has gotten a LOT better), but also because the apps simply aren't out there.
Oh BTW --"
-Yawn- I'll give you that hardware in certain conditions, but you know the reason, why even mention it.
If you know what you are doing network installs of Linux are totally easy. Be even easier following Largo's way.
"To recap, simply, I like linux. I think that it has a lot of potential but it simply isn't anywhere close enough yet to be a mainstream system."
I tire of this, if you were a user I would be polite...Nahhh I will remain polite. What exactly do you mean by mainstream? Desktop? If KDE 2.2 was pre-loaded then you'd be wrong. If you have used it and tried it then you'd know you were wrong. In fact, KDE 2.1.1 is and was pretty much ready. "anywhere near"...Is a bad statement to make, 2 -3 years ago I would have agreed.
"Remember this, and the fact that it's manhours spent with linux as well. I hate to be the harbinger of news here, but windows is much easier to use, period."
The article above suggests otherwise, and if you get someone who is unfamilier with computers then you'd get a different reflection. Then you would realise, all OS's are hard to use.
"There's no debate about that one, and with XP it just gets easier."
Are you scared of debate? Yes life gets easier with XP as it takes your decisions away, not as popular move as you think. An OS is their to provide a layer between the hardware and the user. Applications are there to provide varied functions, from e-mail and word processing, to multimedia. Funny thing is, XP covers all this when it does not need to.
"Try putting your mother down in front of a linux machine, and then do the same with a windows machine."
Oh man, you really do churn out the same FUD. You are placing someone who has had training on Windows and probably been using it for a number of years, so how they run things without thinking at a high level. Now you put them in front of Linux and its not the same, "GNU Not Unix", well GNU/Linux not Unix and GNU/Linux Certainly Not Windows.
The real test is to place someone with no experience of computers, you will see them struggle on both.
"There is a reason why windows is used on 90% of desktops, and why Microsoft is the software giant that they are (reasons beyond the typical slashdottery about squishing competition and cheating and crap), more than just "being in the right place at the right time".. It's because, for better or worse, they have the best set of software products out there. Office and Windows are extremely successful because they're good, and people like them and use them a lot. That's a fact, hard to dispute."
Easy to dispute, go to the root cause. Windows was the only Operating System you could buy from most manufacturers. Why? People were scared about IBM, as IBM had been a monopoly. So...The people who made decisions on what to put on their networks, or to suggest for employee's to use Microsoft products as that is what most wanted to stantardise on, and yes indeed the only alternative was IBM's O/S 2 Warp. Thinking that a Monolopy (they have been convicted as being one, this was upheld) crushing opposition through illegal ways a crap reason? Its not the only and final reason, but its a pretty damned important one. With no viable opposition, or alternative applications would naturally flock to Windows. Why spend lots of money developing an application for Windows 3.1? Hardly no-one would ever buy it. This is the simple reasoning.
2 years sysadmin only takes you to 1999, not to 1989-1991 time frame, this is the period of change over. I saw it happening...No one back then had a crystal ball and would see how bad things would get. Trust me, they are bad. One reason for the tech market doing so badly is that there is nothing signficantly new out there, XP is nothing new enough, why should anyone upgrade and I think you'll it not doing anywhere near as well as Microsoft are hoping (I maybe wrong though of course).
"I don't think that linux will make it as a mainstream OS anytime soon, or at least until most of the linux users (BTW, I think that part of the reason of linux non-acceptability is because of the typical i-love-linux-and-hate-windoze attitude and immaturity, not everyone, but just enough are immature and slander and swear and yell and scream and kick and fuss and act like children to give linux a bad name. Don't believe me? read our very own CmdrTaco. I think that he made some really good points there, the thermostat in hell must have broken that day...:> ) are part of the reason."
What CmdrTaco pointed out was not that original I saw an article that pointed out that two kids were giggling at his Laptop that happened to be running Windows, when he asked them were giggling at it turned out to be because they thought windows "sucked" and that Linux was better. Well they were acting like children, because that is what they were. But the author did have a point to point out.
"Oh well. I think that until linux users give up theI-want-everything-for-free-as-in-beer-as-my-god -gi ven-right (what IS UP with that slashdot auto-spacing-long-lines-because-they-must-be-evil- and-would-confuse-the-reader-so-we-have-to-insert- spaces??-) mentality and start paying for things again (yes, I know a lot of linux users pay for distros, but VERY FEW do compared to the manhours put in to develop and sustain it, and VERY FEW do compared to the number of people who USE it.. Actually, it costs more to put out a distro because of the costs of the bandwidth that you must provide to allow people to download the thing) s"
You do get the odd impression that most will not pay for anything, but thats a few and its their right as a free citizen. But a lot will come into Linux willing to pay for apps that are worth the money.
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Me me me, better than working at Kinko's :).
Well they would if Adobe had not patented it, but if they had not patented it then where would Adobe be now? Its the only "proffessional" tool used because no-one can make anything too similer out of fear of being sued.
Adobe suck just for what they started with Dmitry, I'll never ever forgive them for that and can go broke for all I care.
Matt
MSFT will not admit to any potential problem until they have a fix ready, which is bad as someone will get to know before the admins find out. Also, it makes MSFT look good, "heres a problem, here's a patch". Instead of, "heres a problem, patch within 3 months".
Script kiddies aren't really to be as feared as much as that guy who knows his protocols and systems so well as to be able to figure out new ways into a system and to own it, then go onto the next machine...
StarTux
Oh do not forget that children are our hope for the future and if they are too educated they may make good desicions based on good judgement, the bad Corp's certainly do not want that, as they will want to know about politics, know what Freedom is and stands for and why the war of Independence was fought, and finally, what the Constitution really stands for.
Matt
Tried the demo, 48 meg download but its worth it.
In fact to beta test the modules this was the only way I can get them to work. Although the plane maker one will not load with the demo as it needs "cockpit:standard:aoa".
Not bad, actually it seems like a lot of fun. Especially with lots of planes already available. Just wish setting up joysticks on Linux didn't suck so much.
StarTux
Played it too, thought differently. Guess thats apples and oranges :). Its says joysticks are optional, I beg to differ though.
:). Take your time, there is a lot in their.
The eye candy is actually a lot better than MSFTFS 2000, which is something I did not expect.
One thing that does stand out is the fully "rendered" Mars, check his website on flying on Mars. I followed some links and found that you can orbit Earth also, not bad.
StarTux
PS Turn indicators on cars as they turn, well not accurate for California I guess
Go to x-plane.com and work it out instead of whining here :).
Really, X-plane had a lot before FU and did it better and to greater detail, however the price tag was $200.
Just go to www.x-plane.com I was totally amazed by the detail. I fail to see what why you cannot find anything amazing in x-plane. Maybe its because its going to be ported to Linux?
StarTux
Let me guess, are you in the Bay Area? Housing here is nuts, cannot see how it can be sustained as people are taking pay cuts or moving out.
I'd be careful about mentioning other jobs, there really isn't a whole lot out there and he may try and trump you on this alone.
But he will know all about housing and probably listen to your plan, I mean you could well be an experiment to see how it goes (as suggested by others).
Matt
Just for the hell of it I tried the tool that they proivide to test for it.
/bin directory, normally only root can do this. And if someone is running as root they may have many more problems than just this trojan.
Well it would not run, as it said that this exploit does not work with IP addresses with 0 in it, weird.
Plus you need permission to write to the
Just seems a spin to "ready" the Linux market for their anti-virus ware IMHO.
StarTux
Well its easy enough to say all this about filters, but with the DMCA can one legally actually do this, at least in the States?
Bullshit...
Its an open standard that every distro can follow.
And yet you can still offer unique services that are only present on your distro.
Well thats the theory.
StarTux
And it nothing much to do with SuSE getting this investment.
Written by Charles Homs, a senior analyst at Forrester Research in Amsterdam:
"People were looking at potential alternatives: 'What happens if Microsoft splits up? Maybe there's new hope for Linux.' Now that we know that's not going to happen, or at least extremely unlikely, that means less interest in Linux,".
How does he know? This judge is a consumer orientated judge who may in fact be a lot harder on Microsoft than Jackson was. I don't agree with a breakup, but maybe for MS they might get something a lot worse.
Analysts....
StarTux
Easy,
Aim and support the LSB. Linux Standards Base. That way when your app's are aimed at this it will work on all LSB compliant distro's.
Look here:
http://www.linuxbase.org/
StarTux
Why don't let Mandrake and Redhat die too? Actually Mandrake is based off of Redhat, why need both? SuSE was based off of Slackware...
Getting funding in this environment is not easy as you have to prove your product is worth it. This is what SuSE have done, only trouble with SuSE is their marketing sucks, unlike Redhat.
SuSE have in fact done more for Open Source than you'd realise...And really, if you think just having one less large distro would effect the profit margins of Mandrake and Redhat in this economic environment?
Its much more to do with the current economic downturn than with too many distro's. I base this on the fact that I worked for a Linux company (and got laid off) and see other industries struggling just as much, if not more.
StarTux
When it has *not* been hacked!
StarTux
"If that includes web browsing, I disagree. Sadly, most of the technical benefits of Linux are cancelled out of the horrible web browsing software available for it. The Linux kernel beats Windows in any test imaginable, but in browser tests IE 5 walks over everthing else by a wide margin. Sure, you *can* browse with Opera or Navigator, but only if you're willing to accept that you won't be able to view a good number of sites correctly. (You can take the idealistic "I don't want to see those sites anyway" road, but not everyone does."
Actually you are wrong, ever try Konqueror or Mozilla? Pretty darned nice. Its the lack of education on the part of Web Designers when they optimize for IE, instead of Any Browser:
www.anybrowser.org
www.penguinfriendly.org
Two sites that are trying there bext to stem the slow tide of IE specific sites.
StarTux
Who will be left if Covad and Home went?
Pacbell?
That sucks! Why is broadband failing, that is a question.
StarTux
The worst offenders are commercial sites of all places.
But if they use their Internet connection for mainly educational purposes then I cannot see them having that many issues, if any at all. In fact most sites run perfectly well (never had Flash lock me out due to it being old! Had it lock out on some werid 3D stuff though).
In fact some IE sites may just lock you out based upon the fact you're not running IE, even though Konqueror/Mozilla may well render the page correctly.
Really your issues are purely FUD and are hardly based in the real world to any large extent. Right now I am using Konqueror.
This is great that a school has done this. Hopefully more will follow, then finally the owners and designers will have to think about providing support for Linux. Support for Linux basically means good web design anyway.
StarTux
In the beginning Freedom first arose amongst the Greeks, but she was not fully fledged and was young and naive. She eventually left the minds of Humankind until she gently entered the minds of some Knights in 1215, who then put the seeds of Democracy into written Law at Runnymede. However, she was not content with this and yearned for a place and a time when Humankind would be of Free thought and Will.
Eventually, some bright scientific minds working in a large English colony on an Eastern Coast of a large land mass started to think up great and wonderful ideals, likes of which She had only ever dreamed of! Events took their stride and a land based upon the greatest of human Ideals became a reality: Thus the United States of America came into existence:
With it she bought these values unto the Land:
Freedom
Justice
And the Free Pursuit of Happiness
She thought her job was done and so went off to Europe, where her work was even more hard. But after almost two hundred years she thought her job was done. Little did She know, for one so Old, that her job is never done. A new threat emerged after the great battle of the years 1939-1945 and the Cold War years of 1945-1991. Little did she know that what was made to protect the small person in his pursuit of Happiness would turn into something so perverted that it would threaten his very rightful right to Happiness and reward. And it came through a system She thought would suit the Freedom of the individual from exploitation; The Law. The DMCA as it became known, was bought forth by a Monopoly of studio's to help keep them in their lofty position, free to carve up the World into regions to maximise profit.
She is always an eternal optimist and has to rely on others to know the Rules of Tyranny:
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
- Frederick Douglass, civil rights activist, Aug. 4, 1857
Any power that can be abused will be abused.
- Tyranny Law #1
Abuse always expands to fill the limits of resistance to it.
- Tyranny Law #2
If people don't resist the abuses to others, they will have no one to resist the abuses to themselves, and tyranny will prevail.
- Tyranny Law #3"
Are we to enter a new Dark Age?
These are Churchill's words during the Battle of Britain:
"if we can stand up to him [Hitler] all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age..."
This new Dark Age maybe thus:
" if we can stand up to them [DMCA et al] all the World may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age..."
Protracted and extended by Ignorance of the populace, they will work their lives, but something will be missing. Real Freedom, of expression and of Thought. These were now being patented and protected through Software patents, how long till they patented expressions and thoughts? Or is this already so?
Yet there is a Glimmer of hope, a hope small but visible. In small houses and apartments around the Western around people, men and women are worrying and thinking of things to do. Knowledge is there to be shared, to help Humankind ascend the mountain of Higher Being.
StarTux
Yep,
Just leave it to work itself out...Just like people iun the US thought Hitler was good, you know he kind of kept those Communists at bay. Never mind the fact that he wanted a nice living area for his master race
Unfortuantly most large corps by their nature think bottom line all the time. A Prof. may well be very annoying, but you cannot martyr him, so how about a pesky Russian? Oh yeah, thats ideal. His Government needs cash, so we can ignore it. Oh yeah the mainstream media will not touch this.
If you are an idealist maybe you need this:
http://www.despair.com/pessimistmug.html
A few doses of that and you're going to be back on track my friend.
StarTux
Its not a full release yet, so why even place them on a player.
Yes its that simple.
Matt
Do you think its going to become more popular? Or is it doomed to fail by the wayside and dies off?
StarTux
"and guess what? Linux is great -- that is if, and only if, you have perfect hardware and perfect setup and a standalone system. The minute that something is out-of-spec, linux goes AWOL and the poor desktop user is SOL because they don't know the difference between KDE and dd. OTOH, I've plopped in the install CD for W2K, filled in a few simple details, walked away, came back 30 minutes later and had a system up-and-running without any problems. Sure back in the day of WinNT4 (I humbly agree that Win9X was a POS, but don't get me started on why those existed and why customers demanded Win98SE and WinME...) there were a bunch of problems, but I have had very few problems installing windows 2000 systems (and *zero* on reputable machines (i.e. Dell), well there was that 1 problem, traced to a defective HD)... And secondly, as soon as the user wants to do something new with their system, they're SOL again, not only because installing isn't as simple as "click here to download, run setup.exe and you're installed" (albiet lately in linux it has gotten a LOT better), but also because the apps simply aren't out there.
d -gi ven-right (what IS UP with that slashdot auto-spacing-long-lines-because-they-must-be-evil- and-would-confuse-the-reader-so-we-have-to-insert- spaces??-) mentality and start paying for things again (yes, I know a lot of linux users pay for distros, but VERY FEW do compared to the manhours put in to develop and sustain it, and VERY FEW do compared to the number of people who USE it.. Actually, it costs more to put out a distro because of the costs of the bandwidth that you must provide to allow people to download the thing) s"
Oh BTW --"
-Yawn- I'll give you that hardware in certain conditions, but you know the reason, why even mention it.
If you know what you are doing network installs of Linux are totally easy. Be even easier following Largo's way.
"To recap, simply, I like linux. I think that it has a lot of potential but it simply isn't anywhere close enough yet to be a mainstream system."
I tire of this, if you were a user I would be polite...Nahhh I will remain polite. What exactly do you mean by mainstream? Desktop? If KDE 2.2 was pre-loaded then you'd be wrong. If you have used it and tried it then you'd know you were wrong. In fact, KDE 2.1.1 is and was pretty much ready. "anywhere near"...Is a bad statement to make, 2 -3 years ago I would have agreed.
"Remember this, and the fact that it's manhours spent with linux as well. I hate to be the harbinger of news here, but windows is much easier to use, period."
The article above suggests otherwise, and if you get someone who is unfamilier with computers then you'd get a different reflection. Then you would realise, all OS's are hard to use.
"There's no debate about that one, and with XP it just gets easier."
Are you scared of debate? Yes life gets easier with XP as it takes your decisions away, not as popular move as you think. An OS is their to provide a layer between the hardware and the user. Applications are there to provide varied functions, from e-mail and word processing, to multimedia. Funny thing is, XP covers all this when it does not need to.
"Try putting your mother down in front of a linux machine, and then do the same with a windows machine."
Oh man, you really do churn out the same FUD. You are placing someone who has had training on Windows and probably been using it for a number of years, so how they run things without thinking at a high level. Now you put them in front of Linux and its not the same, "GNU Not Unix", well GNU/Linux not Unix and GNU/Linux Certainly Not Windows.
The real test is to place someone with no experience of computers, you will see them struggle on both.
"There is a reason why windows is used on 90% of desktops, and why Microsoft is the software giant that they are (reasons beyond the typical slashdottery about squishing competition and cheating and crap), more than just "being in the right place at the right time".. It's because, for better or worse, they have the best set of software products out there. Office and Windows are extremely successful because they're good, and people like them and use them a lot. That's a fact, hard to dispute."
Easy to dispute, go to the root cause. Windows was the only Operating System you could buy from most manufacturers. Why? People were scared about IBM, as IBM had been a monopoly. So...The people who made decisions on what to put on their networks, or to suggest for employee's to use Microsoft products as that is what most wanted to stantardise on, and yes indeed the only alternative was IBM's O/S 2 Warp. Thinking that a Monolopy (they have been convicted as being one, this was upheld) crushing opposition through illegal ways a crap reason? Its not the only and final reason, but its a pretty damned important one. With no viable opposition, or alternative applications would naturally flock to Windows. Why spend lots of money developing an application for Windows 3.1? Hardly no-one would ever buy it. This is the simple reasoning.
2 years sysadmin only takes you to 1999, not to 1989-1991 time frame, this is the period of change over. I saw it happening...No one back then had a crystal ball and would see how bad things would get. Trust me, they are bad. One reason for the tech market doing so badly is that there is nothing signficantly new out there, XP is nothing new enough, why should anyone upgrade and I think you'll it not doing anywhere near as well as Microsoft are hoping (I maybe wrong though of course).
"I don't think that linux will make it as a mainstream OS anytime soon, or at least until most of the linux users (BTW, I think that part of the reason of linux non-acceptability is because of the typical i-love-linux-and-hate-windoze attitude and immaturity, not everyone, but just enough are immature and slander and swear and yell and scream and kick and fuss and act like children to give linux a bad name. Don't believe me? read our very own CmdrTaco. I think that he made some really good points there, the thermostat in hell must have broken that day...:> ) are part of the reason."
What CmdrTaco pointed out was not that original I saw an article that pointed out that two kids were giggling at his Laptop that happened to be running Windows, when he asked them were giggling at it turned out to be because they thought windows "sucked" and that Linux was better. Well they were acting like children, because that is what they were. But the author did have a point to point out.
"Oh well. I think that until linux users give up theI-want-everything-for-free-as-in-beer-as-my-go
You do get the odd impression that most will not pay for anything, but thats a few and its their right as a free citizen. But a lot will come into Linux willing to pay for apps that are worth the money.
StarTux
Thanks for the correction.
Guess thats what I get for multitasking.
StarTux
Maybe as a large complimation?
You have seen the ones:
1000 Game complimation
As the PS2 uses DVD you might well be able to do this (or similer) and have a menu at the beginning that lets you choose which game to play.
Would that be a problem?
StarTux