1) Depth Perception. Only good to about 18 feet. 2) Focus. Ever hear of a fixed focus camera? Should be able to stay in focus unless you get really really close (at which point a camera wont matter now will it?)
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The eden mobo has TV out, built in sound, video, network and a 800mhz processor soldered on the board in a form factor smaller than the xbox mobo. With a stereo Y cable it plugs right into your stereo inputs.
Did I mention the thing comes with 16-32 megs of IDE flash?
It's immoral because we all know how MS does business.
There used to be a company across the street from the one I worked at called netchameleon. They used to make PPP and TCP/IP stacks for dos, windows 3.1, and other operating systems. The majority of their business came from ISP bundles of their stack/PPP dialer.
Then MS decided it would be cool to include PPP in 95. Sales dropped, people got laid off.
Another good example is netscape. And another one is BEOS
I'm sure there's a lot more companies to add to that list.
The biggest bitch people have with M$ products isn't so much the fact that they push other companies out with these practices, it's the inferior quality of this shit they shlep out.
Remember when OOB Used to make the 95 TCP/IP stack implode?
So is that enough ranting to justify my comment on why it's morally wrong to develop xbox on linux? No strawmen here, just facts.
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I'd rather "feed the beast" than stoop lower than them, stealing games under the guise of some techno-freedom fighter sabotaging the Goliath.
Have you read the *nix on xbox docs yet?
I'd rather support a company that doesn't require me to VOID my warrenty by installing some 3rd party chip just to get linux or pirated games to run. If you want to run linux FINE but it's pretty obvious M$ doesn't want it on their hardware. Try sending a modded xbox back to M$ and see what happens.
Here is the condensed version on xbox on linux...
1. Install mod chip 2. turn on xbox 3. when the title screen appears UNPLUG THE HARD DRIVE WITH THE POWER ON (that blew me away) 4. Plug the drive into a PC 5. 6......
One of these eden systems, you just put it together and load linux. No BS at all.
I'm not saying you can't go out and buy an xbox for linux, i'm just saying if you're not welcomed in their sandbox, DONT PLAY THERE!
As far as emulation=piracy, well that's another debate for another day, but I think playing 3 player rampart over the net is a blast. (Not to mention atari games arcade division is dead)
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3d accelerator?
Ok tack on the extra 70 bucks you saved on a mod chip and there you go.
As far as debugging the hardware, well you gotta mod that xbox to run linux while the eden requires no modification at all. I think you would end up spending more time dicking with the xbox than you would with the eden.
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So should I fuck that VD ridden hooker with track marks runnin up and down her arm "Because I can?"
At some point anyone, not just programmers have to ask themselves, "Is this morally good for the world?" I digress that xbox linux isn't.
Your best bet would be to look for local music magazines, get some press in those, play lots of shows, and get noticed by the big guns in the industry.
A good place to start if you're in the bay area is Zero Magazine http://www.zeromag.com (shameless plug) We handle all the indi music for the bay area and then some. If you have any shows around here coming up, just submit a story to us and we'll post it (ala/.) Who knows? Maybe our paper rag editor in chief larry will give you some press in the real rag.
--toq
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And don't give me the line about how every xbox sale is a loss to microsoft. A sale is a sale on a quarterly earnings report, which is all the stockholders care about anyways.
For less than the price of an xbox you can get a really nice little motherboard Via technologies is putting out now for $130 or less.
http://www.via.com.tw/en/Products/eden.jsp
Now sure it doesn't have a 10 gig hard drive ($20 bucks?) or a dvd drive (+$40) or ram (128 +$20) or a case (+20) but so far for an Eden based system we're at $200, far less than the $270 you would expect to pay for a modded xbox.
Since UltraHLE i've never bought a console system. Why? If I put that $200 into my system, in a couple of years someone will write an emulator that can play it.
If you really want M$ to lose money, figure out a way around their copy protection, write an emulator, and watch how fast ISO images of the games start floating around IRC and p2p networks. Don't feed the beast by buying another xbox please!
where i'll pay 10 dollars for cracker jack wont have enough money to drive my car back
Lets build the giants a stadium let the panhandlers sleep on the street
cause it's 1 2 3 strikes your out......
Fuck it, Its 4:30, cartoons are on.
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That was the best rebute you had to my comment? 9 words? Someone failed debate.
I'm sick of dumbshits saying GWB is great
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The economy sucks, most people I know are out of work, 911.
Yesterday I went to go visit some friends up in San Francisco. I was appalled at the number of large office spaces availiable for lease along the 101. Entire business parks empty. It was an amazingly traffic free drive on the way home down the 280 during what would have been bumper to bumper during the boom.
GWB reminds me of the construction people in my neighborhood. They don't understand the importance of dumping money into the tech sector. They forget that during the boom that EVERYONE had money and was spending it on everything.
As far as GWB being a great president, well we could have had Saddam Hussain as president when 911 happened, all he would have had to say was Lets kick butt and instant popularity in the polls. Satan could have said Lets Kick butt and the pope would have rallied behind him. Sure you think i'm kidding? Think back to 911, when GWB said he wasn't going to put up with terrorism. Didn't you think what a cool guy?
I think GWB is a liar! I think he lied to win the election, he's lying about the impact 911 had on our economy, he's lying that we can't catch usama. 27 million dollar reward and nobody has turned the guy in yet? I mean cmon folks get real here, if I was some starving Al Quaida soldier fuck my religion, gimme the money! I think GWB is trying to get as many young americans into the army as possible to lock us in a huge war so he stays in office. We have no business fucking with Hussain in Iraq either, GWB's daddy already carpet bombed the place in the 90's, we kicked his ass so hard that he now allows UN weapon inspectors to make sure he isn't building weapons of mass destruction.
We should be focusing on rebuilding our economy and the twin towers, not bombs.
After a year and a half of not working, eating ramen noodles to pay the mortgage and watching a lot of my friends in the same predicement, i'm beginning to suspect that 911 was just a ploy by GWB to gain popularity. Yeah I know it sounds sick, but we're talking about a president who's father was in the CIA, and did some suspicous things when it came to the election.
Another thing bothering me, is what happened to all the 911 relief funds? I have inlaws in NYC that had inlaws that died. They've gotten jack shit from anyone. My guess is it went to the GWB bomb building fund.
Mod me down if you like, this is honestly how I feel about things. I think times really suck now and I wish Clinton was still president. Hey the man liked cigars, I can relate to that (wink wink nod nod say no more)
Now on top of fucking the economy to fund his war, lying to the public at any chance he can, and letting the RIAA fuck us on our personal rights, he wants to take more away from me? Fuck no! I won't stand for it. Even though my vote didn't make a difference in the last election there is no way GWB is going to be able to pull that florida crap a second time. I will vote his ass out and I would urge any slashdotters in a similiar situation to go do the same. Fuck GWB he's a joke!
Now that i've said all these nasty comments about GWB I can expect a knock at the door from the FBI, because he wants my first ammendment rights too.
Has anyone seen the new nullsoft streaming video format? Opinions can be non-objective but in my opinion it rocks anything MS, Apple, or real have to offer.
So how does this tie into the whole AOL story? Well, some of you may or may not know nullsoft was bought out by time warner AOL some time ago. Now in addition to the MP3 technology nullsoft has a streaming format ready to go. Nullsoft has sort of become a PARC for AOL.
Just a interesting side note I wanted to point out.
He mentions ten, but forgets kali and kahn (sorry no link) Kali was the first commercial IPX tcp wrapper. Duke nukem, doom, descent were all played over kali.
Also to note, dwango. The thresh sponsored dial up doom networking service.
Then onto Ultima Online for the first graphical mmorpg.
Many older citizens and citizens without any computer training and experience will likely become confused by the new computerized voting devices.
Remember Florida? THose were on paper ballots. Usually ballots have small, 8pt text on them. Compare that to an LCD screen using large fonts, help files, I think the old folks will be ok.
Clearly, in a situation such as this, current paper voting mechanisims are much more accurate and reliable. Furthermore, if voting is to be computerized, we're leaving ourselves vulnerable to all sorts of hacking and digital manipulation of the ballots
Well, digital you can go back and correct your mistakes. Again, lets not forget Florida's divits. As with hacking, well, ballots can be counterfieted at a crooked print shop a lot easier than most modern encryption schemes can be broken.
I, for one, do not want to trust my country's elections to the likes of Microsoft of Red Hat.
Who says they have to be trusted? Just use BSD problem solved!
I don't want to leave my house. Why can't I vote over the internet?
Just mail me my username/password, i'll go to whatever website you want me to go to and vote. I'm sure 1/2 the/. population agree's with me. Are you listening politicians?
person try and pitch yahoo calendar over exchange.
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dubs of live Grateful Dead concerts.
While a lot of people (deadheads) may argue this, I think part of the bands immense popularity was due to their decision to allow this type of taping.
The tape always had background noise, without the clean room effect of a studio. The thing was, you could hear conversations, people talking, laughing, tripping, cheering having a good time so the bootleg would MAKE you want to be there.
I tip my glass to Jerry Garcia in heaven. I will always love your tunes you magical bard you!
Last thing you want is to make this place resemble an office. I live in the bay area, we got about 20 game houses now. The ones that look like offices don't do nearly as well as the ones that look like a dim lit nightclub.
Try and make the place look as close to a nightclub as possible. Stay away from flouresent lighting. Use track lighting or blacklights.
Theme the place out to look like the games you will be featuring. Counterstrike? How about some plastic replica's of m16's hanging on the camoflague painted walls. Everquest? How about a suite of armor and shields hanging from the wall.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN OFFICE! Use flat tables, no partitions so everyone can see one another.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that ATI can push the envelope of 3D graphics.
They've been in business since the dawn of the x86 age. They always made solid cards.
Around the time of the stealth64 ATI lost its edge because they didn't see the potential for the consumer gaming market. (Stealth64 was the hot gaming card back in the doom days, ask thresh) Despite companies like 3dfx releasing the voodoo1 and Creative releasing the VLB 3D blaster, it was years before ATI came out with a graphics chip with even rudimentary 3D support.
Nvidia, a new company only took couple of chip revisions before they were able to match 3dfx's performance. It's no surprise that a company like ATI with years of 2D behind them would be able to quickly beat out the new top dog Nvidia.
Kudo's and good job ATI. Now if you could only price these new cards in a reasonable range, let's say less than $200, you could definetly become the new king.
If I remember right, fletch 2 took place in thibideux louisiana. I'm not shocked that life is going to imitate art!
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I'm holding a 16bit mach64 card in my hands, just for effect...
ATI has been around as long as i've been playing with PC's. Slow and steady wins the race.
Sorry that was all I could think of at the moment. My heart goes out to all the people getting laid off from this. Someone got really rich off of your hard work, while you struggled for them, now they sit confortably driving some nice cars. Sorry VC's and exec's of the internet age, most of you are real assholes!
Right now the way things are going, it reminds me of the victorian age when railways were first coming about. All this money was poured into the rail systems of europe (watch this on discovery yesterday) and it was managed by crooks that were chased out of the US. (This one paticular guy i'm thinkin of had a wife and 4 mistresses!)
It's not a lot different now. Sure we have fancy computers and slashdot, but to get there we had to put some really crooked people in charge of our money. Some of them did right, a lot of them did wrong.
I'm goin off base here, but I just wanted the people getting laid off, i'll say a prayer for you and your families. Cause I know what it's like to get laid off.
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Hey I just thought of something else...
Over time the price of the xbox won't drop that much while the price of pc hardware drops dramatically.
So 6 months down the road, you will be able to buy an even better computer for that $200 than you could an xbox.
1) Depth Perception.
Only good to about 18 feet.
2) Focus.
Ever hear of a fixed focus camera? Should be able to stay in focus unless you get really really close (at which point a camera wont matter now will it?)
The eden mobo has TV out, built in sound, video, network and a 800mhz processor soldered on the board in a form factor smaller than the xbox mobo. With a stereo Y cable it plugs right into your stereo inputs.
Did I mention the thing comes with 16-32 megs of IDE flash?
It's immoral because we all know how MS does business.
There used to be a company across the street from the one I worked at called netchameleon. They used to make PPP and TCP/IP stacks for dos, windows 3.1, and other operating systems. The majority of their business came from ISP bundles of their stack/PPP dialer.
Then MS decided it would be cool to include PPP in 95. Sales dropped, people got laid off.
Another good example is netscape.
And another one is BEOS
I'm sure there's a lot more companies to add to that list.
The biggest bitch people have with M$ products isn't so much the fact that they push other companies out with these practices, it's the inferior quality of this shit they shlep out.
Remember when
OOB
Used to make the 95 TCP/IP stack implode?
So is that enough ranting to justify my comment on why it's morally wrong to develop xbox on linux? No strawmen here, just facts.
I'd rather "feed the beast" than stoop lower than them, stealing games under the guise of some techno-freedom fighter sabotaging the Goliath.
Have you read the *nix on xbox docs yet?
I'd rather support a company that doesn't require me to VOID my warrenty by installing some 3rd party chip just to get linux or pirated games to run. If you want to run linux FINE but it's pretty obvious M$ doesn't want it on their hardware. Try sending a modded xbox back to M$ and see what happens.
Here is the condensed version on xbox on linux...
1. Install mod chip
2. turn on xbox
3. when the title screen appears UNPLUG THE HARD DRIVE WITH THE POWER ON (that blew me away)
4. Plug the drive into a PC
5.
6......
One of these eden systems, you just put it together and load linux. No BS at all.
I'm not saying you can't go out and buy an xbox for linux, i'm just saying if you're not welcomed in their sandbox, DONT PLAY THERE!
As far as emulation=piracy, well that's another debate for another day, but I think playing 3 player rampart over the net is a blast. (Not to mention atari games arcade division is dead)
3d accelerator?
Ok tack on the extra 70 bucks you saved on a mod chip and there you go.
As far as debugging the hardware, well you gotta mod that xbox to run linux while the eden requires no modification at all. I think you would end up spending more time dicking with the xbox than you would with the eden.
So should I fuck that VD ridden hooker with track marks runnin up and down her arm "Because I can?"
At some point anyone, not just programmers have to ask themselves, "Is this morally good for the world?" I digress that xbox linux isn't.
Hi!
/.) Who knows? Maybe our paper rag editor in chief larry will give you some press in the real rag.
Your best bet would be to look for local music magazines, get some press in those, play lots of shows, and get noticed by the big guns in the industry.
A good place to start if you're in the bay area is Zero Magazine http://www.zeromag.com (shameless plug) We handle all the indi music for the bay area and then some. If you have any shows around here coming up, just submit a story to us and we'll post it (ala
--toq
And don't give me the line about how every xbox sale is a loss to microsoft. A sale is a sale on a quarterly earnings report, which is all the stockholders care about anyways.
For less than the price of an xbox you can get a really nice little motherboard Via technologies is putting out now for $130 or less.
http://www.via.com.tw/en/Products/eden.jsp
Now sure it doesn't have a 10 gig hard drive ($20 bucks?) or a dvd drive (+$40) or ram (128 +$20) or a case (+20) but so far for an Eden based system we're at $200, far less than the $270 you would expect to pay for a modded xbox.
Since UltraHLE i've never bought a console system. Why? If I put that $200 into my system, in a couple of years someone will write an emulator that can play it.
If you really want M$ to lose money, figure out a way around their copy protection, write an emulator, and watch how fast ISO images of the games start floating around IRC and p2p networks. Don't feed the beast by buying another xbox please!
--toq
take me out to the crowds
......
where i'll pay 10 dollars for cracker jack
wont have enough money to drive my car back
Lets build the giants a stadium
let the panhandlers sleep on the street
cause it's 1 2 3 strikes your out
Fuck it, Its 4:30, cartoons are on.
That was the best rebute you had to my comment? 9 words? Someone failed debate.
The economy sucks, most people I know are out of work, 911.
Yesterday I went to go visit some friends up in San Francisco. I was appalled at the
number of large office spaces availiable for lease along the 101. Entire business parks empty. It was an amazingly traffic free drive on the way home down the 280 during what would have been bumper to bumper during the boom.
GWB reminds me of the construction people in my neighborhood. They don't understand the importance of dumping money into the tech sector. They forget that during the boom that EVERYONE had money and was spending it on
everything.
As far as GWB being a great president, well we could have had Saddam Hussain as president when 911 happened, all he would have had to say was Lets kick butt and instant popularity in the polls. Satan could
have said Lets Kick butt and the pope would have rallied behind him. Sure you think i'm kidding? Think back to 911, when GWB said he wasn't going to put up with terrorism. Didn't you think what a cool guy?
I think GWB is a liar! I think he lied to win the election, he's lying about the impact 911 had on our economy, he's lying that we can't catch usama. 27
million dollar reward and nobody has turned the guy in yet? I mean cmon folks get real here, if I was some starving Al Quaida soldier fuck my religion, gimme the money! I think GWB is trying to get as many young
americans into the army as possible to lock us in a huge war so he stays in office. We have no business fucking with Hussain in Iraq either, GWB's daddy already carpet bombed the place in the 90's, we kicked his ass so hard
that he now allows UN weapon inspectors to make sure he isn't building weapons of mass destruction.
We should be focusing on rebuilding our economy and the twin towers, not bombs.
After a year and a half of not working, eating ramen noodles to pay the mortgage and watching a lot of my friends in the same predicement, i'm beginning to suspect that 911 was just a ploy by GWB to gain popularity. Yeah
I know it sounds sick, but we're talking about a president who's father was in the CIA, and did some suspicous things when it came to the election.
Another thing bothering me, is what happened to all the 911 relief funds? I have inlaws in NYC that had inlaws that died. They've gotten jack shit from anyone. My guess is it went to the GWB bomb building
fund.
Mod me down if you like, this is honestly how I feel about things. I think times really suck now and I wish Clinton was still president. Hey the man liked cigars, I can relate to that (wink wink nod nod say no more)
Now on top of fucking the economy to fund his war, lying to the public at any chance he can, and letting the RIAA fuck us on our personal rights, he wants to take more away from me? Fuck no! I won't stand for it. Even
though my vote didn't make a difference in the last election there is no way GWB is going to be able to pull that florida crap a second time. I will vote his ass out and I would urge any slashdotters in a similiar situation
to go do the same. Fuck GWB he's a joke!
Now that i've said all these nasty comments about GWB I can expect a knock at the door from the FBI, because he wants my first ammendment rights too.
Has anyone seen the new nullsoft streaming video format? Opinions can be non-objective but in my opinion it rocks anything MS, Apple, or real have to offer.
So how does this tie into the whole AOL story? Well, some of you may or may not know nullsoft was bought out by time warner AOL some time ago. Now in addition to the MP3 technology nullsoft has a streaming format ready to go. Nullsoft has sort of become a PARC for AOL.
Just a interesting side note I wanted to point out.
Dude forget about the radio station! Did you check out the parent posters sig? NineNine. Free porn. Period. [ninenine.com]
Free pr0n w00t!
This funny comment brought to you by the number 9 and.
--toqer
Few things missing..
He mentions ten, but forgets kali and kahn (sorry no link) Kali was the first commercial IPX tcp wrapper. Duke nukem, doom, descent were all played over kali.
Also to note, dwango. The thresh sponsored dial up doom networking service.
Then onto Ultima Online for the first graphical mmorpg.
Too much missing for my taste.
ddos, ppl stealin mail, yeah yeah so what? I have faith it could be implemented securly, just nobody wants to do it.
for ddos, get a REALLY big server on a REALLY big internet connection. Run a non bloat os like BSD or QNX.
For mail stealing, well thats tougher, but i'm sure constituants would gladly hire voter registrars to go around to verify ppl for voting. Non issue.
Other than that, private/public keys and it's a secure system. Whats the holdup? I haven't seen a legitimate answer to my parent post yet.
Many older citizens and citizens without any computer training and experience will likely become confused by the new computerized voting devices.
Remember Florida? THose were on paper ballots. Usually ballots have small, 8pt text on them. Compare that to an LCD screen using large fonts, help files, I think the old folks will be ok.
Clearly, in a situation such as this, current paper voting mechanisims are much more accurate and reliable. Furthermore, if voting is to be computerized, we're leaving ourselves vulnerable to all sorts of hacking and digital manipulation of the ballots
Well, digital you can go back and correct your mistakes. Again, lets not forget Florida's divits. As with hacking, well, ballots can be counterfieted at a crooked print shop a lot easier than most modern encryption schemes can be broken.
I, for one, do not want to trust my country's elections to the likes of Microsoft of Red Hat.
Who says they have to be trusted? Just use BSD problem solved!
I don't want to leave my house. Why can't I vote over the internet?
/. population agree's with me. Are you listening politicians?
Just mail me my username/password, i'll go to whatever website you want me to go to and vote. I'm sure 1/2 the
person try and pitch yahoo calendar over exchange.
dubs of live Grateful Dead concerts.
While a lot of people (deadheads) may argue this, I think part of the bands immense popularity was due to their decision to allow this type of taping.
The tape always had background noise, without the clean room effect of a studio. The thing was, you could hear conversations, people talking, laughing, tripping, cheering having a good time so the bootleg would MAKE you want to be there.
I tip my glass to Jerry Garcia in heaven. I will always love your tunes you magical bard you!
MY GOD NO FUCKING CUBICLE WALLS!
Last thing you want is to make this place resemble an office. I live in the bay area, we got about 20 game houses now. The ones that look like offices don't do nearly as well as the ones that look like a dim lit nightclub.
Try and make the place look as close to a nightclub as possible. Stay away from flouresent lighting. Use track lighting or blacklights.
Theme the place out to look like the games you will be featuring. Counterstrike? How about some plastic replica's of m16's hanging on the camoflague painted walls. Everquest? How about a suite of armor and shields hanging from the wall.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN OFFICE! Use flat tables, no partitions so everyone can see one another.
Thank you.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that ATI can push the envelope of 3D graphics.
They've been in business since the dawn of the x86 age. They always made solid cards.
Around the time of the stealth64 ATI lost its edge because they didn't see the potential for the consumer gaming market. (Stealth64 was the hot gaming card back in the doom days, ask thresh) Despite companies like 3dfx releasing the voodoo1 and Creative releasing the VLB 3D blaster, it was years before ATI came out with a graphics chip with even rudimentary 3D support.
Nvidia, a new company only took couple of chip revisions before they were able to match 3dfx's performance. It's no surprise that a company like ATI with years of 2D behind them would be able to quickly beat out the new top dog Nvidia.
Kudo's and good job ATI. Now if you could only price these new cards in a reasonable range, let's say less than $200, you could definetly become the new king.
If you add 1200 to 8500 you come up with 9700. Will the next radeon model number be 10900?
If I remember right, fletch 2 took place in thibideux louisiana. I'm not shocked that life is going to imitate art!
I'm holding a 16bit mach64 card in my hands, just for effect...
ATI has been around as long as i've been playing with PC's. Slow and steady wins the race.
Sorry that was all I could think of at the moment. My heart goes out to all the people getting laid off from this. Someone got really rich off of your hard work, while you struggled for them, now they sit confortably driving some nice cars. Sorry VC's and exec's of the internet age, most of you are real assholes!
Right now the way things are going, it reminds me of the victorian age when railways were first coming about. All this money was poured into the rail systems of europe (watch this on discovery yesterday) and it was managed by crooks that were chased out of the US. (This one paticular guy i'm thinkin of had a wife and 4 mistresses!)
It's not a lot different now. Sure we have fancy computers and slashdot, but to get there we had to put some really crooked people in charge of our money. Some of them did right, a lot of them did wrong.
I'm goin off base here, but I just wanted the people getting laid off, i'll say a prayer for you and your families. Cause I know what it's like to get laid off.
Yours Truly
--Toq