So how far, in reality, are we from having the whole OSX either open-sourced, or cloned?
A couple of my friends and I have been talking for a while about making an open-source OSX replacement, but I'm the best programmer in the group and I still suck horribly. Still, if one can be made for Win2K, why not OSX?
I can assure you, neither of my IRC channels that have fservs have bots from compromised hosts. I wouldn't stand for it anyway. I'd rather my bandwidth be legitimately bought and paid for (or donated as the case may be).
Thirded! And when I move in the coming months I'll be able to go to Burger King without having to walk a fucking mile to get there (or drop $3 on fucking bus fare). Pity they dropped the jalapeño poppers from the menu.:(
I liked some of the older mags, COMPUTE!, couple other mags, hell earlier issues of PC Computing either, they had typeins... then by 1996, they were just ads for ads...
Dollar General isn't exactly in the same league as WAL*MART. WAL*MART is a full size "discount department store", while Dollar General is a much smaller "five and ten". They overlap, but they're quite different. I don't think WAL*MART has anything to worry about from them. Though, around here where WAL*MART is on the outskirts of the city and there's several Dollar Generals within the city, Dollar General could eat up a little of their business - again, because five-and-tens and discount department stores have *some* overlap. But most of what WAL*MART sells you won't find at Dollar General.
High technology is overrated. Not that I'm a luddite or anything but in a lot of these cases all the technology does is cause more confusion. We've had mechanical voting machines for years and no one's ever complained that they were too hard to use. I mean how hard is it? You pull a lever under the name of the person you're voting for, and when you're done you pull a lever that releases the curtain and registers the vote. No electronics to be seen. We still use them because they Just Work.
You confuse Java and Javascript. Javascript comes from Netscape, not Sun, and it's certainly open source for the Netscape implementation (GPL even!). So "whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?"
Fully agree with you there. Though if I had kids, I might keep a computer and a moron box in my own room in case I want to watch something not appropriate for the kids late at night while they're down, I'd never think of putting either thing in their rooms. They would have to watch TV and use the computer with their parents' eyes on them. I don't believe in arbitrary limits myself but you do have to set some kind of limit. There's just stuff that's not good to expose a budding young mind to.
Meanwhile...
I'm liberal enough that a movie where good and evil were clearly delineated would fall in my list of movies I'd show to someone possibly as young as 9 (when I saw Batman '89), or worst 11 (when I saw Terminator 2). Even at those ages I clearly knew "This is wrong, don't do it" or "This is right, do it". I still crash on unfamiliar situations but who doesn't?
And of course, I don't believe in buying the latest and greatest tech just for the sake of keeping up with the Joneses. What a bloody waste of money.
And remember, most BASIC programming examples, if they don't assume generic BASIC, assume a Microsoft BASIC of some sort (CBM BASIC, FPBASIC, GW-BASIC etc.)
Anything's possible if you toss enough brain power at it.
I for one would like to see a win9x clone that runs on FreeDOS, but I don't have the technical knowhow to pull it off. On the other hand ReactOS is an OS unto itself that's Windows-compatible and perhaps pieces of that could be hacked to sit on top of FreeDOS?
I started to work on a BSD-licensed DOS clone but only got as far as part of the userland. (This included a buggy but fairly complete replacement for COMMAND.COM, and a few of the less important tools.)
I'd go back to it if I knew how the heck I'd pull off writing a kernel when I can't even clone a simple system, like CP/M! (and if I can't clone CP/M I can't clone DOS since DOS uses a superset of CP/M APIs) But what's left of the project, it's up on sf as rmfdos, but it's not very useful atm.
I've used FreeDOS in dosemu on Linux for years to run legacy DOS apps on Linux, if that's what you mean. Works like a charm for anything shy of Windows 3.x... and I think you can run Windows 3.0 in 8086 mode too.
I have a 1.5/384 business ADSL line. Downlink's comparable to T1. Depending on what you use 'net for, it MAY be enough... but nowadays 1.5 Mbps either way isn't enough for most purposes...
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So how far, in reality, are we from having the whole OSX either open-sourced, or cloned?
A couple of my friends and I have been talking for a while about making an open-source OSX replacement, but I'm the best programmer in the group and I still suck horribly. Still, if one can be made for Win2K, why not OSX?
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I can assure you, neither of my IRC channels that have fservs have bots from compromised hosts. I wouldn't stand for it anyway. I'd rather my bandwidth be legitimately bought and paid for (or donated as the case may be).
-uso.
In Niagara Falls it's often late October to sometime into May.
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Thirded! And when I move in the coming months I'll be able to go to Burger King without having to walk a fucking mile to get there (or drop $3 on fucking bus fare). Pity they dropped the jalapeño poppers from the menu. :(
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I liked some of the older mags, COMPUTE!, couple other mags, hell earlier issues of PC Computing either, they had typeins... then by 1996, they were just ads for ads...
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I call my personal build Allizom Icefox.
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GEM wasn't just for the Atari, and the original sources have continued to evolve and continue to run fine on a stock PC. 16-bit though.
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Dollar General isn't exactly in the same league as WAL*MART. WAL*MART is a full size "discount department store", while Dollar General is a much smaller "five and ten". They overlap, but they're quite different. I don't think WAL*MART has anything to worry about from them. Though, around here where WAL*MART is on the outskirts of the city and there's several Dollar Generals within the city, Dollar General could eat up a little of their business - again, because five-and-tens and discount department stores have *some* overlap. But most of what WAL*MART sells you won't find at Dollar General.
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High technology is overrated. Not that I'm a luddite or anything but in a lot of these cases all the technology does is cause more confusion. We've had mechanical voting machines for years and no one's ever complained that they were too hard to use. I mean how hard is it? You pull a lever under the name of the person you're voting for, and when you're done you pull a lever that releases the curtain and registers the vote. No electronics to be seen. We still use them because they Just Work.
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I'm referring to the C64 and PC ports, not RBT, which I was well aware of.
These versions have prominent "Mountain Dew" signs instead of a "Root Beer" or "Budweiser" sign.
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You confuse Java and Javascript. Javascript comes from Netscape, not Sun, and it's certainly open source for the Netscape implementation (GPL even!). So "whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?"
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"I am now lying"
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...or Mountain Dew Tapper on home systems.
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Left hand, right hand. So which division's telling the truth? Both? Neither?
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Fully agree with you there. Though if I had kids, I might keep a computer and a moron box in my own room in case I want to watch something not appropriate for the kids late at night while they're down, I'd never think of putting either thing in their rooms. They would have to watch TV and use the computer with their parents' eyes on them. I don't believe in arbitrary limits myself but you do have to set some kind of limit. There's just stuff that's not good to expose a budding young mind to.
Meanwhile...
I'm liberal enough that a movie where good and evil were clearly delineated would fall in my list of movies I'd show to someone possibly as young as 9 (when I saw Batman '89), or worst 11 (when I saw Terminator 2). Even at those ages I clearly knew "This is wrong, don't do it" or "This is right, do it". I still crash on unfamiliar situations but who doesn't?
And of course, I don't believe in buying the latest and greatest tech just for the sake of keeping up with the Joneses. What a bloody waste of money.
-uso.
And remember, most BASIC programming examples, if they don't assume generic BASIC, assume a Microsoft BASIC of some sort (CBM BASIC, FPBASIC, GW-BASIC etc.)
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I agree but there's a lot of poseur geeks out there like that...
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What about the geeks who use Linux because it's not mainstream? What will they use now? Dragonfly?
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Then where did the remastered original edition clips in Empire of Dreams come from?
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Doesn't he even have a 50.1% share in Disney?
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Anything's possible if you toss enough brain power at it.
I for one would like to see a win9x clone that runs on FreeDOS, but I don't have the technical knowhow to pull it off. On the other hand ReactOS is an OS unto itself that's Windows-compatible and perhaps pieces of that could be hacked to sit on top of FreeDOS?
Why? WYNAUT!
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I started to work on a BSD-licensed DOS clone but only got as far as part of the userland. (This included a buggy but fairly complete replacement for COMMAND.COM, and a few of the less important tools.)
I'd go back to it if I knew how the heck I'd pull off writing a kernel when I can't even clone a simple system, like CP/M! (and if I can't clone CP/M I can't clone DOS since DOS uses a superset of CP/M APIs) But what's left of the project, it's up on sf as rmfdos, but it's not very useful atm.
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Why not? But you'll need a 386 for that, and a copy of CWSDPMI.
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I've used FreeDOS in dosemu on Linux for years to run legacy DOS apps on Linux, if that's what you mean. Works like a charm for anything shy of Windows 3.x ... and I think you can run Windows 3.0 in 8086 mode too.
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I have a 1.5/384 business ADSL line. Downlink's comparable to T1. Depending on what you use 'net for, it MAY be enough... but nowadays 1.5 Mbps either way isn't enough for most purposes...
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