Don't bother playing it, it's crap. It is nothing like what we were led to believe over the decade... it morphed into a piece of shit with Halo-knockoff controls and health-regeneration system. Sad too... many of the older trailers, from closer to 2000, were fucking awesome.
I agree. If the Debian project wants to cause these possible security problems for stupid trademark/naming issues, then the least they can do is push an update to fix this for all affected users. As it is, they're causing a potential serious security problem for many of their users... and yet, actively doing nothing at all to eliminate the chance of Debian machines getting owned by malicious package installs. I would say that this is a pretty big mistake, on the level of the SSL certificate problem several years ago... but potentially much worse because the people within Debian itself knew the consequences and what could happen by forcing the changing of a major third-party repo after so many years.
Yes, we are special. How many giraffe civilizations are there? Which manatee invented the internet, I'd like to meet him... Animals don't even drink beer.
I have a cat that likes craft beer. Just try to give me a Busch or Budweiser, I wouldn't want to drink that shit either unless I was desperate or only wanted to get drunk.
What if you absolutely *need* to install the latest system updates for whatever reason just to be able to play some of the latest games? Good luck with that expensive brick; I guess what was out at release time will continue to work at least...
I have had a personal Sony boycott for many years, and somewhat of a boycott on Microsoft for a little less. I avoid certain Microsoft products depending on product type--I started boycotting their operating systems and most PC software (ie. Office), but not their Xbox consoles and games (and certain PC games--primarily Flight Simulator). It looks like Microsoft's setting me up for an all-out boycott... it's almost as if they're competing to get me to *not* buy their shit. Well, it's working: fuck you both, Sony *and* Microsoft.
I actually agree with them on this one. This malware wasn't as bad as the recent disclosure of Google's involvement in a top-secret U.S. Government mass surveillance program that has been going on for several years now.
A Windows 7/8 desktop is faster and consumes less resources than a Linux desktop (for fair comparison, we should look at modern full-feature DEs such as KDE, GNOME or Unity).
I am on a machine with an AMD Athlon 64 3800+ dual core processor and, if I really wanted to, I could pick a 64-bit Linux distribution and run it. In fact, for a while I was running a 64-bit OS, but in the interest of conserving memory (since I ended up choosing to run what could be considered a "full-featured" or "bloated" Linux distro--openSUSE with KDE4) I decided to switch back to 32-bit to conserve memory.
Would you care to tell me how the hell I could get 64-bit Windows 7/8 to run on this thing at all, without an upgrade to a bare minimum of 2 GB RAM? And I should point out that 2 GB is the max that this machine can handle in the first place. I should also mention that I have run both Windows 7 and Windows 8 on this system in the past briefly, and 1GB is simply inadequate for it.
Windows most definitely does *not* have lower system requirements than Linux, and that remains true even when talking about the most heavyweight of distributions. I should also add that it is almost always the web browser (not necessarily the distribution itself) that brings my system on its knees; I make heavy use of browsers with dozens of tabs open, but even just opening a browser with no tabs really eats into memory these days. Chrome, Firefox--they're both bloated pigs. Add a single Gmail or Google Voice tab and you've got a hell of a memory hog.
The GP makes some good points. I'm not sure that 'black humor' or 'funny' are really good words to describe such a scenario. How do you personally find the concept of a man with blood, semen and disease dripping from his severely injured anus...
I'm sorry, but I couldn't read any further than that without first taking a break to laugh my ass off. I'm confused; was that truly intended to be serious, or funny? Or both?
But seriously, the thought of going back to IE after the horrors of IE6 and basically all of what Microsoft did to fuck up the entire web in the past--no thanks. I also can't go without NoScript, Adblock, DoNotTrackMe, and various other extensions; I'm not sure what the state of add-ons is in IE these days (in the past, it was mostly limited to spware toolbars...), but really it doesn't even matter any more. Microsoft has to find some way to get me on their OS again before I'll ever use their browser again--and even then, I would probably only run it once to download another browser. Say, that reminds me... has that insane file downloading bug where IE keeps fetching the same corrupt file without attempting to actually get the rest of it downloaded fixed yet? (Okay, okay--enough pokes at the browser now, I'll stop...)
IE 10 is "modern" and "tolerable"? Which version--desktop or Metro?
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I tried and failed yet again to get a full KDE desktop up and running. The directions I used--a page on the FreeBSD site found through a web search--simply said "pkg_add -r kde4". Nope, nothing. Did it actually install X.org? Didn't seem so, so I logged back in as root and did that. Logged back out and in again as my user, and entered startx: returned endless "failed to load module" warnings, no drivers available, no screens found, unable to connect/connection refused, blah blah blah. Before following the directions from the same page to get X to load right into KDE... startx would in fact start X with twm, but... there was absolutely no keyboard *or* mouse support once I was in X.
Seriously, what the hell am I doing wrong?! I can use Slackware, Debian, CentOS--hell, nearly every major Linux distribution aside from Arch, Gentoo and Crux... but when it comes to the BSDs I can never get anywhere.
No thanks M$, I'd would actually like to use the things I own.
There. Fixed that for you.
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Call me crazy, dumb, or just stuck with the Linux way, but I think I'd have to re-learn a decent amount to be able to successfully run and maintain FreeBSD on my desktop. Sure, I learned many of the UNIX basics of the command line before switching from Windows, but I think there are a lot of things that would seriously stump me. For example, things like "mount -o loop" to mount an image file as a loop device and "free -m" to get a quick reading of memory usage are much different, and not exactly easier. I just couldn't get used to the package management tools, and I'm no guru at compiling (in fact, I hate it...).
It would be nice if Linux distributions were like this though; 8.x has a legacy base OS with what seems to be extremely up-to-date packages otherwise. With Linux it's basically either all (Arch, Gentoo) or nothing (Debian, CentOS) as far as updates to the non-system packages go. It seems that openSUSE does major upgrades on just a few regular packages (mainly web browsers) and I remember reading that Ubuntu was going to too, but it's nothing compared to what FreeBSD does. FreeBSD's support really is good... and I heard that its separation of system and userland makes complete system upgrades work well. That said... I intend to someday learn it better to be able to use it. One of these days I intend to figure it out...
I tried PC-BSD, but I'm not too much of a fan of the way it does some of the things it does... not to mention it comes across as incredibly bloated to me. In theory, I like the way plain FreeBSD is set up.
Personally, I would like to see a 2.x fork, before they fucked up the GUI, the location bar, the default settings, and the back/forward buttons. A 3.6.x fork would be somewhat acceptable though, although by that time they have already fucked up a few things they did bring some improvements (out of process plugins immediately comes to mind...).
I have to admit though, while Firefox continues to suck more and more, there is actually one area where it seems to have been hugely improved: stability. It used to crash and leak memory like a son of a bitch, and I have no idea when it stopped, but I haven't had any problems for a long time now. I got sick of hearing, "oh, memory leaks were fixed" every single release and seeing absolutely no change, so I stopped caring and dealt with it, and all of the sudden I started noticing that the browser seemed to have finally got stable.
After playing around some time with W8, all I can tell is that it feels good, it's easy, and well desgined. I would recommend it to almost any common end user.
I would recommend Windows 8 to almost any common child, whose parents are able to afford something a bit better than a VTech digital learning device from Toys "R" Us with a bit more actual utility and Internet capability. Then again, hell, probably even cheap-ass VTech computers have Internet connectivity these days. Just don't expect to learn any real, actual programming with stock Windows... but I guess it's good for all the other most common end-user stuff. The vast majority of semi-competent to mostly-clueless adults can continue to use Windows 7 or OS X, while those with a bit more knowledge and/or courage can delve into Linux (or possibly even BSD).
WinRT is a locked-down anti-desktop walled garden to please Microsoft and friends. That's the exact opposite of what I would want to see. I'll take an NT kernel with a *real* desktop. One that doesn't purposely lock out potential non-Microsoft applications. RT is just a vehicle to get Metro going and to secure ARM so Microsoft can have it all to theirselves.
Unfortunately, we're talking Windows here, and the NT kernel wouldn't be much as far as "Windows" goes without... you know... the rest of Windows running in top. Okay, so they replaced a crusty old single-user kernel (DOS) with a theoretically decent multi-user one (NT)... great, but what good is it when it's dragged down by the creaking old Win32? But unless Metro kicks in and people eventually accept it, Win32 is Windows, along with all its flaws from its origins as part of Win9x. And if Metro does take off... then, well, Windows will have a whole new set of problems; many people don't want to touch that with a ten-foot pole. Myself included.
Take the NT kernel, scrap Win32, scrap Metro and put something better on top, built from the ground up for modern features (NOT including the typical DRM, walled garden and "app" store bullshit...) and you might have a winner. But Microsoft is far too hell-bent with their plans of dominating Android's computer form factor markets with traditional Windows by fucking up the desktop as much as possible, so that will never happen. It's sad, because like you said, the NT kernel itself is from what I understand a very capable kernel. It's just unfortunate that there will probably never be a truly good, modern, security-focused and multi-user-focused operating built on it.
Hell, I wouldn't say the way Microsoft is going is "user-focused" at all--everything they're releasing is being done to please themselves, the media "industry" and their other partners. Its real potential will probably forever be locked away.
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What else did anyone expect?
I expected (and waited over a full decade) for a true, worthy successor to Duke Nukem 3D.
Duke Nukem Forever, unfortunately, wasn't it.
Don't bother playing it, it's crap. It is nothing like what we were led to believe over the decade... it morphed into a piece of shit with Halo-knockoff controls and health-regeneration system. Sad too... many of the older trailers, from closer to 2000, were fucking awesome.
...but they sure can sue.
I agree. If the Debian project wants to cause these possible security problems for stupid trademark/naming issues, then the least they can do is push an update to fix this for all affected users. As it is, they're causing a potential serious security problem for many of their users... and yet, actively doing nothing at all to eliminate the chance of Debian machines getting owned by malicious package installs. I would say that this is a pretty big mistake, on the level of the SSL certificate problem several years ago... but potentially much worse because the people within Debian itself knew the consequences and what could happen by forcing the changing of a major third-party repo after so many years.
Yes, we are special. How many giraffe civilizations are there? Which manatee invented the internet, I'd like to meet him... Animals don't even drink beer.
I have a cat that likes craft beer. Just try to give me a Busch or Budweiser, I wouldn't want to drink that shit either unless I was desperate or only wanted to get drunk.
You're making the assumption that I like IE in the first place, and that I run Windows. Both of which are false.
No cause for alarm.
On the other hand, I might actually care if beer is in danger.
I've been using Linux since I left XP. It helped me to neatly avoid various Microsoft duds... Vista, 8, 8.1, and whatever crap the future holds...
What if you absolutely *need* to install the latest system updates for whatever reason just to be able to play some of the latest games? Good luck with that expensive brick; I guess what was out at release time will continue to work at least...
I have had a personal Sony boycott for many years, and somewhat of a boycott on Microsoft for a little less. I avoid certain Microsoft products depending on product type--I started boycotting their operating systems and most PC software (ie. Office), but not their Xbox consoles and games (and certain PC games--primarily Flight Simulator). It looks like Microsoft's setting me up for an all-out boycott... it's almost as if they're competing to get me to *not* buy their shit. Well, it's working: fuck you both, Sony *and* Microsoft.
I actually agree with them on this one. This malware wasn't as bad as the recent disclosure of Google's involvement in a top-secret U.S. Government mass surveillance program that has been going on for several years now.
Complete with Slashdot and Internet access?
A Windows 7/8 desktop is faster and consumes less resources than a Linux desktop (for fair comparison, we should look at modern full-feature DEs such as KDE, GNOME or Unity).
I am on a machine with an AMD Athlon 64 3800+ dual core processor and, if I really wanted to, I could pick a 64-bit Linux distribution and run it. In fact, for a while I was running a 64-bit OS, but in the interest of conserving memory (since I ended up choosing to run what could be considered a "full-featured" or "bloated" Linux distro--openSUSE with KDE4) I decided to switch back to 32-bit to conserve memory.
Would you care to tell me how the hell I could get 64-bit Windows 7/8 to run on this thing at all, without an upgrade to a bare minimum of 2 GB RAM? And I should point out that 2 GB is the max that this machine can handle in the first place. I should also mention that I have run both Windows 7 and Windows 8 on this system in the past briefly, and 1GB is simply inadequate for it.
Windows most definitely does *not* have lower system requirements than Linux, and that remains true even when talking about the most heavyweight of distributions. I should also add that it is almost always the web browser (not necessarily the distribution itself) that brings my system on its knees; I make heavy use of browsers with dozens of tabs open, but even just opening a browser with no tabs really eats into memory these days. Chrome, Firefox--they're both bloated pigs. Add a single Gmail or Google Voice tab and you've got a hell of a memory hog.
The GP makes some good points. I'm not sure that 'black humor' or 'funny' are really good words to describe such a scenario. How do you personally find the concept of a man with blood, semen and disease dripping from his severely injured anus ...
I'm sorry, but I couldn't read any further than that without first taking a break to laugh my ass off. I'm confused; was that truly intended to be serious, or funny? Or both?
Nah, I just felt like picking on IE. :P
But seriously, the thought of going back to IE after the horrors of IE6 and basically all of what Microsoft did to fuck up the entire web in the past--no thanks. I also can't go without NoScript, Adblock, DoNotTrackMe, and various other extensions; I'm not sure what the state of add-ons is in IE these days (in the past, it was mostly limited to spware toolbars...), but really it doesn't even matter any more. Microsoft has to find some way to get me on their OS again before I'll ever use their browser again--and even then, I would probably only run it once to download another browser. Say, that reminds me... has that insane file downloading bug where IE keeps fetching the same corrupt file without attempting to actually get the rest of it downloaded fixed yet? (Okay, okay--enough pokes at the browser now, I'll stop...)
Windows 7 is stable, IE 10 is a modern browser and has 90% of Firefox's HTML 5 features...
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Really? This Frankenstein bastardization of a web browser? This thing? You've got to be kidding.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/IE10_ModernUI.png
IE 10 is "modern" and "tolerable"? Which version--desktop or Metro?
I tried and failed yet again to get a full KDE desktop up and running. The directions I used--a page on the FreeBSD site found through a web search--simply said "pkg_add -r kde4". Nope, nothing. Did it actually install X.org? Didn't seem so, so I logged back in as root and did that. Logged back out and in again as my user, and entered startx: returned endless "failed to load module" warnings, no drivers available, no screens found, unable to connect/connection refused, blah blah blah. Before following the directions from the same page to get X to load right into KDE... startx would in fact start X with twm, but... there was absolutely no keyboard *or* mouse support once I was in X.
Seriously, what the hell am I doing wrong?! I can use Slackware, Debian, CentOS--hell, nearly every major Linux distribution aside from Arch, Gentoo and Crux... but when it comes to the BSDs I can never get anywhere.
No thanks M$, I'd would actually like to use the things I own.
There. Fixed that for you.
Call me crazy, dumb, or just stuck with the Linux way, but I think I'd have to re-learn a decent amount to be able to successfully run and maintain FreeBSD on my desktop. Sure, I learned many of the UNIX basics of the command line before switching from Windows, but I think there are a lot of things that would seriously stump me. For example, things like "mount -o loop" to mount an image file as a loop device and "free -m" to get a quick reading of memory usage are much different, and not exactly easier. I just couldn't get used to the package management tools, and I'm no guru at compiling (in fact, I hate it...).
It would be nice if Linux distributions were like this though; 8.x has a legacy base OS with what seems to be extremely up-to-date packages otherwise. With Linux it's basically either all (Arch, Gentoo) or nothing (Debian, CentOS) as far as updates to the non-system packages go. It seems that openSUSE does major upgrades on just a few regular packages (mainly web browsers) and I remember reading that Ubuntu was going to too, but it's nothing compared to what FreeBSD does. FreeBSD's support really is good... and I heard that its separation of system and userland makes complete system upgrades work well. That said... I intend to someday learn it better to be able to use it. One of these days I intend to figure it out...
I tried PC-BSD, but I'm not too much of a fan of the way it does some of the things it does... not to mention it comes across as incredibly bloated to me. In theory, I like the way plain FreeBSD is set up.
Personally, I would like to see a 2.x fork, before they fucked up the GUI, the location bar, the default settings, and the back/forward buttons. A 3.6.x fork would be somewhat acceptable though, although by that time they have already fucked up a few things they did bring some improvements (out of process plugins immediately comes to mind...).
I have to admit though, while Firefox continues to suck more and more, there is actually one area where it seems to have been hugely improved: stability. It used to crash and leak memory like a son of a bitch, and I have no idea when it stopped, but I haven't had any problems for a long time now. I got sick of hearing, "oh, memory leaks were fixed" every single release and seeing absolutely no change, so I stopped caring and dealt with it, and all of the sudden I started noticing that the browser seemed to have finally got stable.
But you could fart on a raft to propel yourself through the sea though. Your point is?
After playing around some time with W8, all I can tell is that it feels good, it's easy, and well desgined. I would recommend it to almost any common end user.
I would recommend Windows 8 to almost any common child, whose parents are able to afford something a bit better than a VTech digital learning device from Toys "R" Us with a bit more actual utility and Internet capability. Then again, hell, probably even cheap-ass VTech computers have Internet connectivity these days. Just don't expect to learn any real, actual programming with stock Windows... but I guess it's good for all the other most common end-user stuff. The vast majority of semi-competent to mostly-clueless adults can continue to use Windows 7 or OS X, while those with a bit more knowledge and/or courage can delve into Linux (or possibly even BSD).
WinRT is a locked-down anti-desktop walled garden to please Microsoft and friends. That's the exact opposite of what I would want to see. I'll take an NT kernel with a *real* desktop. One that doesn't purposely lock out potential non-Microsoft applications. RT is just a vehicle to get Metro going and to secure ARM so Microsoft can have it all to theirselves.
Unfortunately, we're talking Windows here, and the NT kernel wouldn't be much as far as "Windows" goes without... you know... the rest of Windows running in top. Okay, so they replaced a crusty old single-user kernel (DOS) with a theoretically decent multi-user one (NT)... great, but what good is it when it's dragged down by the creaking old Win32? But unless Metro kicks in and people eventually accept it, Win32 is Windows, along with all its flaws from its origins as part of Win9x. And if Metro does take off... then, well, Windows will have a whole new set of problems; many people don't want to touch that with a ten-foot pole. Myself included.
Take the NT kernel, scrap Win32, scrap Metro and put something better on top, built from the ground up for modern features (NOT including the typical DRM, walled garden and "app" store bullshit...) and you might have a winner. But Microsoft is far too hell-bent with their plans of dominating Android's computer form factor markets with traditional Windows by fucking up the desktop as much as possible, so that will never happen. It's sad, because like you said, the NT kernel itself is from what I understand a very capable kernel. It's just unfortunate that there will probably never be a truly good, modern, security-focused and multi-user-focused operating built on it.
Hell, I wouldn't say the way Microsoft is going is "user-focused" at all--everything they're releasing is being done to please themselves, the media "industry" and their other partners. Its real potential will probably forever be locked away.