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Disease Outbreak Threatens the Future of Good Coffee

Wired reports on a disease infecting coffee plants across Central America that could lead to shortages around the world. "Regional production fell by 15 percent last year, putting nearly 400,000 people out of work, and that’s just a taste of what’s to come. The next harvest season begins in October, and according to the International Coffee Organization, crop losses could hit 50 percent." The disease is called coffee rust, and it has been damaging crops to some degree since the 1800s. It's not known yet exactly why coffee rust has become such a problem now, but one of the leading suspects is climate change. "Since the mid-20th century, though, weather patterns in Central America and northern South America have shifted. Average temperatures are warmer across the region, with extremes of both heat and cold becoming more pronounced; so are extreme rainfall events." The fungus that causes coffee rust thrives on warm, humid air, and higher temperatures have allowed it to climb to higher altitudes than ever before. But another likely cause is the way in which coffee is planted and harvested these days: the plants evolved as shade-dwellers, but are now often placed in direct sunlight. They're also clustered closer together, which facilitates the spread of disease. "The integrity of this once-complicated ecosystem has been slowly breaking down, which is what happens when you try to grow coffee like corn."

259 comments

  1. No.... by flandre · · Score: 2

    This can't be happening!

    1. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      American business will grind to a halt!
      Withdrawal! Withdrawal! Withdrawal!

      Obama did it! :)

    2. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yet another problem with java.

    3. Re:No.... by thsths · · Score: 2

      And it isn't. Because quality coffee is grown in Africa, especially the Kenyan highlands. Whatever they do in middle America has little impact on quality coffee.

    4. Re:No.... by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Top Ten Green Coffee Producers - 2009 (millions of metric tons)
        Brazil 2.44
        Vietnam 1.18
        Colombia 0.89
        Indonesia 0.70
        India 0.29
        Ethiopia 0.27
        Peru 0.26
        Mexico 0.25
        Guatemala 0.25
        Honduras 0.21
      -----------------
      World Total 7.80

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    5. Re:No.... by jpate · · Score: 1

      did you just confuse "central america" with "middle america"?

    6. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kenyan coffee is good, but to claim central american coffee is not quality is utter bullshit. I bet you've never actually been to a guatamalan coffee plantation, and that in a blind taste-test you could tell the difference between beans from the different regions.

      In fact I bet you're one of those snobs who think civet-crap coffee is actually intrinsically better than coffee from carefully mechanically and then hand sorted high-quality coffee beans. I'd love you to do a comparative taste-test of coffee made from beans harvested from civet-shit and coffee made from beans I shit out.

      Go be snobbish somewhere else. Better yet, go back to the trailer park Folgers dark roast you're running away from.

    7. Re:No.... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Kenyan coffee is good, but to claim central american coffee is not quality is utter bullshit. I bet you've never actually been to a guatamalan coffee plantation, and that in a blind taste-test you could tell the difference between beans from the different regions.

      In fact I bet you're one of those snobs who think civet-crap coffee is actually intrinsically better than coffee from carefully mechanically and then hand sorted high-quality coffee beans. I'd love you to do a comparative taste-test of coffee made from beans harvested from civet-shit and coffee made from beans I shit out.

      Go be snobbish somewhere else. Better yet, go back to the trailer park Folgers dark roast you're running away from.

      Kenyan coffee can be very good. I just brewed up the second cup of the morning - a fair/free trade local brand that the company owners first sold to me at a local farmer's market. And it's competitive in price with more run-of-the-mill stuff.

      But the Americas can hold their own. While I consider arabica coffee in general to be a bit harsh, I've have good stuff (and non-so-good, alas) from Costa Rica. And if you're willing to sell the dog and kids, go for some uncut Jamaican Blue Mountain.

      If coffee becomes scarce, though, we might have to switch to Florida Orange Juice. Oh wait - citrus greening.

    8. Re:No.... by supercrisp · · Score: 2

      "Middle America" or "Mesoamerica" is a common term for that region, especially in academic circles.

    9. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you know what they say: when life hands you citrus greening, make limeade.

    10. Re:No.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      American business will grind to a halt!

      More truth is said in jest. During WWII all kinds of stuff in the US was rationed, including sugar, butter, meat, etc., etc. Banana imports were halted (which is why Twinkies switched from banana to vanilla filling). One thing that was never rationed was coffee. The Arsenal of Democracy wouldn't have been worth squat if everybody was falling asleep.

    11. Re:No.... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      a fair/free trade local brand that the company owners first sold to me at a local farmer's market.

      If you bought it direct from the owner at a farmer's market, it's not fair trade. "Fair trade" is indeed a trademark granted by FTO (Fairtrade labeling Organization) for products shipped from the producing countries to the consumer countries that supposedly reward the producers in a "fairer" way. "Supposedly", because all they (FLO and subsidiaries) do is be another middleman who wants their share (for "licensing" feeds, that stay in the consumer country). Those fees are then usually squandered on glossy marketing campaigns, and excessively priced office supplies and services ("excessively priced" because bought from companies operated by friends and families of FLO employees), with little left to help the coffee farmers.

    12. Re:No.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I've never seriously considered robbing a bank, or anything like that. No real larceny in my blood. But, this? This is SERIOUS!! I need to take a trip Houston, and hijack a truckload of coffee as it's leaving the piers! IS THERE LIFE AFTER COFFEE!?!?!

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    13. Re:No.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      A rose is a rose is a rose, and it would smell as sweet by any other name. (somewhat close quote, I hope)

      Middle Earth will be Middle Earth, no matter what outsiders might decide to call it.

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    14. Re:No.... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      a fair/free trade local brand that the company owners first sold to me at a local farmer's market.

      If you bought it direct from the owner at a farmer's market, it's not fair trade. "Fair trade" is indeed a trademark granted by FTO (Fairtrade labeling Organization) for products shipped from the producing countries to the consumer countries that supposedly reward the producers in a "fairer" way. "Supposedly", because all they (FLO and subsidiaries) do is be another middleman who wants their share (for "licensing" feeds, that stay in the consumer country). Those fees are then usually squandered on glossy marketing campaigns, and excessively priced office supplies and services ("excessively priced" because bought from companies operated by friends and families of FLO employees), with little left to help the coffee farmers.

      All I can say is that the principals are themselves Kenyan and claim to be dealing directly with people they know back home in Kenya, with a tithe of the proceeds earmarked for community development back in Kenya. They have since graduated to the shelves of local big-name grocers, who presumably have at least some stake in making sure that nothing too extreme is happening.

      If there are in fact middlemen eating up the lion's share of the proceeds (and the package claims that the company was founded to reduce that), and, if it's true that Fair Trade USA is gobbling a lot of it up in overpriced office supplies, at least I can console myself that it keeps office-supply companies in business. The original impetus for Fair Trade was that much of the middleman price of coffee was due to lenders whose rates and practices would make Shylock blush.

    15. Re:No.... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      if it's true that Fair Trade USA is gobbling a lot of it up in overpriced office supplies, at least I can console myself that it keeps office-supply companies in business

      That's also a way of looking at it, sure :-) However, it doesn't benefit all office-supply (and marketing, and web service, and..) companies uniformly, but only those whose management are friends and/or family with Fair Trade management...

      The original impetus for Fair Trade was that much of the middleman price of coffee was due to lenders whose rates and practices would make Shylock blush

      Yeah, and that's why it's so much more ironing that Fair Trade wants to promote "microfinance", which really are just overpriced credits to fleece the small time producers...

    16. Re:No.... by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Ummm... energy drinks?

    17. Re:No.... by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      Well.. they do regionally have a different aroma and taste. "Better" is an opinion of the taster. I'll also refrain from making fun of both of you for this.

    18. Re:No.... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      A Panamanian coffee (Esmeralda) has won tasting competitions a few times. Some of the best coffee in the world comes out of the Americas.

      As long as the plantation is run well and is interested in producing good coffee, there are a lot of places that good coffee can come from.

    19. Re:No.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I heard that someone tried that once. It totally borked his Mr. Coffee.

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    20. Re:No.... by mendax · · Score: 1

      Coffee was rationed during WW II. People used coffee substitutes like chicory and peanuts.

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    21. Re:No.... by mendax · · Score: 1

      Uh... it would help if I included the link: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/coffee-rationing-begins

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    22. Re:No.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1
      Interesting, my bad. However I noticed that they realized the error of their ways:

      Some items came off the rationing list early; coffee was released as early as July 1943

      They didn't really expect them to make B-29's and A-bombs without plenty of coffee, did they?

    23. Re:No.... by nobodie · · Score: 1

      In his journals (written in a shorthand code that was not cracked until the 1800s) Samuel Pepys, the secretary for the admiralty (or navy) for King James talks about the arrival of coffee in England in the early 1600s. He admits that he was mostly drunk by the end of lunch every day, since he started with small beer with breakfast and was drinking wine for lunch and the afternoon.
      When coffee arrived on the scene he tried it and loved it, as did many others (who could afford the luxury). He remarked that his productivity tripled from just being sober most of the day. It is probably not to far off point to say that the British navy that conquered 2/3 of the world in the following 100 years happened and grew because of coffee, and that without it the officers and administrators would have been too drunk to piss in a bucket.

      Just as an aside, Pepys also learned to multiply on his own. Although he had graduated from ... not Oxford, maybe Cambridge, now I forget... in any event he was "educated. well educated" but that did not included useless things like multiplication. He learned it because his navigators had to learn it, so he wanted to be able to judge, by their math abilities, if they were competent.

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  2. I don't drink coffee by sjwt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The integrity of this once-complicated ecosystem has been slowly breaking down, which is what happens when you try to grow coffee like corn."

    So long as we don't try and grow corn like corn, I'm happy, I love my popcorn!

    Perhaps the issue is not climate change, but rather some evolution of the coffee rust..

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    1. Re:I don't drink coffee by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Funny

      Monsanto Coffee. A new Starbucks option. Kills the rust. Only problem: turns coffee blue.

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    2. Re:I don't drink coffee by manu0601 · · Score: 2

      It may be both: evolution of the coffee rust driven by climate change.

    3. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Blasphemer! Infidel! The holy cult of the burning globe DEMANDS YOUR DEATH!!! A JIHAD upon your house!

    4. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, as someone whose family has owned coffee farms for over 100 years let me clue you in.

      Traditional coffee plants can last 20 years, they grow tall, shade the ground, and drop the leaves to fertilize the soil, have root systems that keep the soil in place, since coffee is grown in steppes.

      However, they are hybribs created in Brazil, that grow faster, less root systems, but need constant fertilization, and the root systems are shallow, causing run off of the soil, lower quality bean, But they produce like hell. But the constant fertilization they need ruins the land.

      They are also highly susceptible to root rust.

      It is not so much the climate change, but the mass production from genetically manipulated plants.

    5. Re:I don't drink coffee by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Same here. Mt Dew for the win!!

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    6. Re:I don't drink coffee by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Informative

      They should have listened to Juan Valdez. He's the fucking expert.

    7. Re:I don't drink coffee by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The thing with rust is that it goes in waves - people were freaking out over the rust sweeping through the evergreen population in Ontario and for a while it was bad, but then nature sorted it out and it's still present but not everywhere/killing all the trees like it was.
       

    8. Re:I don't drink coffee by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Monsanto Coffee. A new Starbucks option. Kills the rust. Only problem: turns the drinker cyanotic.

      FTFY

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    9. Re:I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, pray tell, does Starbucks have to do with good coffee?

    10. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have some you can buy there, jackass.

    11. Re:I don't drink coffee by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may be both: evolution of the coffee rust driven by climate change.

      Or it could be a lack of genetic diversity in the coffee trees. The fungus can spread through vast plantations of genetically similar arabica trees. The reason the rust has difficulty infecting wild trees may be because of their diversity, as well as their dispersion.

      Disclaimer: I am a tea drinker.

    12. Re:I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 5, Funny

      You clearly can't tell good coffee from bad coffee. My pet civet could teach you a few things.

    13. Re:I don't drink coffee by GNious · · Score: 1

      I'm mostly confused that there apparently is such a thing as "good coffee"...

    14. Re:I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 5, Funny

      So angry! You should cut your coffee consumption.

    15. Re:I don't drink coffee by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Thanks very much Juan!

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    16. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it is at least several times as good as Dunkin Donuts... sigh, life in New England.

      Fortunately, I can make coffee at home. And my GF has introduced me to cuban coffee, made in that little espresso pot that sits on the stove - pure, strong espresso goodness. Or I can make in my regular espresso machine, with steam, latte, etc., or just straight, pure espresso coffee + sugar. (Cuban comes in a vacuum pack. Other vacuum packs are different, YMMV.)

    17. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coffee turns blue
      and so do you.

      Happy daisy-pushing day after drinking Monsato©offee.

      As a cuppa Joe rises towards $50, time to sell those Starbucks shares?

    18. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm very fond of green tea. But China has been rapidly developing their nation with western industrialization in the last 10 years alone. If it hasn't already started, I wouldn't be surprised if China started dabbling in genetic engineering of green tea to produce the "perfect" leaf. The Chinese are quite serious about their teas as the West is about their wines. Give it another 10 or 15 years and you'll start to see bouts of massive tea blights.

    19. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly can't tell good coffee from bad coffee. My pet civet could teach you a few things.

      Nor can you apparently, since you imply that you drink civet shit.

    20. Re:I don't drink coffee by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      I drink Eight O'Clock because it tastes great and holy f*** good coffee is an expensive habit.

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    21. Re:I don't drink coffee by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      I'm mostly confused that there apparently is such a thing as "good coffee"...

      It's like "good beer." Some people just don't like it in general; it takes a really, really good one to be able to enjoy it, and that can depend on something as fickle as "I have a strange taste for $_specific_food."

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    22. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They have some [good coffee] you can buy there, jackass.

      Really? Name it. You'll be hard-pressed to find a single bean in a Starbucks that hasn't been intentionally over-roasted as part of their standard business practice. As should be obvious, the result of over-roasting is that your beans will give you a burnt ash flavor rather than a rich, nuanced coffee flavor, which is why so many people who have only ever been exposed to Starbucks (or worse) think that coffee by itself tastes bad, when it really doesn't. Several of us at my company nearly staged an uprising when an HR person who didn't know any better brought back a bag of "Starbucks Dark French Roast" for our several thousand dollar coffee machine to use, thinking she was doing us a favor.

      (quick aside: to quote Wikipedia's definition for a French Roast - "Roast character is dominant at this level. Little, if any, of the inherent flavors of the coffee remain." I.e. It's been burnt to the point where you can't taste the coffee itself, and that's even before you take into account that a Starbucks "blonde" is actually a medium, their "medium" is a dark, and their "dark" is simply burnt beyond hope.)

      As for why they over-roast, there are two main reasons. One is that more heavily roasted beans maintain a flavor for longer, giving them a longer shelf life. The other is that over-roasting produces a stronger (though worse) flavor that can stand out when you load your drink up with cream, caramel, sugar, whipped cream, ice, and whatever else. If they had instead used properly roasted beans, they'd have needed to increase the concentration of actual coffee in the drink (i.e. increase their costs), since the flavor of decent coffee is more subdued and would have a harder time standing out above that mess of excess. Instead, they cheated by increasing the strength of the flavor via over-roasting so that they could use as little coffee as possible, while compromising on the flavor of the most important ingredient itself.

      And even if you go for their "blonde" roasts, they're still just average compared to decent ones you can pick up elsewhere. If you want some decent coffee without a lot of fuss, get it from a decent roaster as soon as possible after roasting (e.g. Tonx), and brew it properly (e.g. use a burr grinder and an Aeropress, for instance).

    23. Re:I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly. The beans are indeed pooped out by the civet but they can't be digested, hence they're not shit, per se. They're separated from the shit. And hopefully washed too...

    24. Re:I don't drink coffee by Molochi · · Score: 1

      From TFA,

      "Nobody knows precisely why the outbreak reached such extraordinary levels this year, though several factors are implicated. The most prominent is climate: In the past, environmental conditions at high Central American altitudes were not especially conducive to the fungus, which requires warm, humid air to thrive, said coffee rust specialist Cathy Aime of Purdue University."

      Fungus doesn't need to evolve to strive if the local climate changes to accommodate it.

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    25. Re:I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 1

      Kudos to you for writing such a long post in response to an AC that was clearly just trying (and succeeding) to be a twat ;)

    26. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's what I do when I can't get to sleep. ;)

    27. Re:I don't drink coffee by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

      Starbucks collapsed in Australia since the place was already full of places with Italian style coffee for a cheaper price instead of some boiled mud tainted with mint, caramel or whatever.

    28. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy shit you actually replied, lmfao. drink less coffee you're obviously addicted.

    29. Re:I don't drink coffee by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      "As should be obvious, the result of over-roasting is that your beans will give you a burnt ash flavor rather than a rich, nuanced coffee flavor, which is why so many people who have only ever been exposed to Starbucks (or worse) think that coffee by itself tastes bad, when it really doesn't." Finally another person that realizes that Starbucks coffee tastes like burned pine wood.

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    30. Re: I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they did come out of the ass end of the civet. logic states that anything coming out from there is usually shit.

      and 'hopefully washed' is the key phrase here. what if they don't to preserve the flavor?

    31. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I only drink 1-2 cups a day, and only on weekdays, actually. I just really enjoy writing essay-like posts before bed sometimes. Helps me clear my head. ;)

    32. Re:I don't drink coffee by climb_no_fear · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always called them Charbucks - I guess we have the same opinion about their coffee roasting skills.

    33. Re: I don't drink coffee by boundary · · Score: 2

      Logic states nothing of the sort. If they don't wash, so be it. Still tastes good, no matter how unsettling you find the concept.

    34. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should cut down on the coffee?

    35. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Shoulda seen that one coming.

      I actually make a point of avoiding caffeine after 7pm, and I typically only drink coffee in the mornings or maybe I'll have a cup after lunch during the winter. At this time of year, it's just too hot to enjoy coffee in the afternoons. Hell, it's nearly 2:30am right now, and I'm having to run the air conditioning since I got tired of it being 84F/29C in my bedroom (my tolerance for higher temperatures aimed at saving me on my electric bill is high, but does have its bounds). That's probably a bigger part of why I'm awake right now. ;)

    36. Re:I don't drink coffee by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have no idea how good Starbucks is until you try the abomination known as Folgers Crystals. If anyone was wondering, yes , you really can tell the difference. I thought, "it might not be the best thing ever, but coffee is coffee". Nope. I lowered the level of the first cup half an inch with great effort. I tried to pretend that I could save money for like... a minute. Then I dumped it down the drain. I went back to the Italian Via from Starbucks. Bear in mind that I prefer Kenyan from my own machine-- but it's broken. The Kenyan costs me $0.50 to make myself. The Via is $1.00/cup, and the dreaded crystals were something like $2 for a 7-pack. If I can't find a new machine I like, it's Via or Tea.

      Anyway, yeah. It's burnt. There are worse things. Far, far worse. The so-called coffee you get at fast-food places or from machines in waiting rooms. No, I'm not saying Starbucks is the best thing on the planet. I'm just saying you forget how truly dismal the state of affairs was in American coffee before they came along.

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    37. Re: I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is this gross? Chicken eggs and nasty, steaming chicken poop exit through the same hole, often together. Despite this, eggs are a popular cuisine the world around. Additionaly, root vegetables (a far-cry from pizza-rolls, I know) are often grown in soil fertilized with decomposing animal manures, and commonly, treated human sewage cleverly named biosolids. Of course it's safe ;) Yet, the civet coffee's stigma seems to elicit a visceral reaction disproportionately negative when compared with more clearly disturbing food histories. Remember folks, it's just a little manure.

    38. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, they are hybribs created in Brazil ...
      but the mass production from genetically manipulated plants.

      Curious: Are you saying that the plants are hybrids that have been bred, or are you saying they have been genetically modified, i.e. GMO Monsanto style?

    39. Re:I don't drink coffee by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Monsanto Coffee. A new Starbucks option. Kills the rust. Only problem: turns coffee blue.

      Why is that a problem? Be a 21th century hipster and tell the curious passers-by that you're drinking Romulan ale!

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    40. Re:I don't drink coffee by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by global warming.

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    41. Re: I don't drink coffee by Suferick · · Score: 2

      As far as many coffee lovers are concerned, the real reason not to drink Kopi Luwak is the same as the reason not to eat foie gras or white veal: animal welfare. If you pick up the beans that have been 'selected' by civets in the wild, that's one thing; but to cage the civets like battery hens and feed them any old coffee beans in the hope of achieving premium prices is rather different.

    42. Re:I don't drink coffee by Suferick · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear. And it's not just Starbucks; in the UK the two other major chains, Costa and Nero, are little different.

    43. Re:I don't drink coffee by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Whether you're working at a molecular level, or using techniques first outlined by Mendel with his peas, it's still a genetically manipulated plant. You're using techniques to encourage the expression of particular genetic traits, or suppress particular traits.

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    44. Re:I don't drink coffee by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Starbucks collapsed in Australia since the place was already full of places with Italian style coffee for a cheaper price instead of some boiled mud tainted with mint, caramel or whatever.

      Starbucks isn't mud.

      It's charcoal.

    45. Re:I don't drink coffee by Mike+Sheen · · Score: 1

      You might want to fix your signature. I think you meant "For all intents and purposes", not "For all intensive purposes". If you're going to have a witty quip as a signature about language, you may want to learn the language first.

    46. Re:I don't drink coffee by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I always called them Charbucks - I guess we have the same opinion about their coffee roasting skills.

      Apparently most of their customers add milk or some sort of creamer. Changes the character. If you add milk, charcoal evidently gives better flavor.

      Since I don't add milk, I prefer other brands.

    47. Re:I don't drink coffee by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Well it is at least several times as good as Dunkin Donuts... sigh, life in New England.

      Fortunately, I can make coffee at home. And my GF has introduced me to cuban coffee, made in that little espresso pot that sits on the stove - pure, strong espresso goodness. Or I can make in my regular espresso machine, with steam, latte, etc., or just straight, pure espresso coffee + sugar. (Cuban comes in a vacuum pack. Other vacuum packs are different, YMMV.)

      Cuban (and other Caribbean) coffee is traditionally boiled in a sock, not an espresso pot. And no, you don't pull the sock out of the laundry.

      Actually, real Cuban coffee looks like milk. Until you taste it. There's definitely coffee in there!

    48. Re:I don't drink coffee by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      It may be both: evolution of the coffee rust driven by climate change.

      Or it could be a lack of genetic diversity in the coffee trees. The fungus can spread through vast plantations of genetically similar arabica trees. The reason the rust has difficulty infecting wild trees may be because of their diversity, as well as their dispersion.

      Disclaimer: I am a tea drinker.

      There are 2 ways to grow coffee. You can clear land and plant trees industrial-fashion, which is very efficient - and more likely to expose you to mass infections. Or you can plant the trees in a habitat approximating their wild state, where the coffee trees are interspersed with non-coffee trees and grow shaded. One is efficient and makes for cheaper coffee. The other is not so efficient, but the quality of the coffee is a lot better. It's also likely to slow down propagation of epidemic infections, since there are natural barriers between the coffee trees.

      From what I've seen of tea farming, there is no equivalent of "shade grown" tea, and the plant density is high enough that if a similar infection affecting tea plants broke out, it would spread like wildfire. So enjoy it while you can!

    49. Re:I don't drink coffee by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Thanks very much Juan!

      That's Sr. Valdez, to you!

    50. Re:I don't drink coffee by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      "The integrity of this once-complicated ecosystem has been slowly breaking down, which is what happens when you try to grow coffee like corn."
      This sentence is wrong in so many ways. Coffee is an old world plant, originally from Africa. Dutch took it to Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) and planted it (on the way to Indonesia). It was there that Rust started infecting Coffee plants and this started in the early 1900s or before.
      Later on Robusta was discovered as a plant that was resistant to rust and fruits faster but produces slightly more acidic tasting coffee. This avoided the destruction of Coffee plantation, but Rust had spread all throughout Asia by WW2. By 1960s it was found in Latin America. Brazil mostly made Robusta, so they were never affected by Rust as much as others - which is the reason for all the bad mouthing they get. They do make inferior coffee (unless you want an espresso) but the real reason they are hated is that they do well when others do badly.
      There was no complicated Coffee ecosystem in Latin America. The birds have learned to nest in between coffee shrubs instead of trees and some have learned to eat coffee beans, but that is not a complex ecosystem. And an ecosystem is supposed to have a few predators. In this case an Asian disease attacking an African plant grown in Latin America is pretty complex, AFAIK.
      Then there is the issue of Corn. Corn is a South American plant and has been grown there for millennia.Growing a native plant should form a more complex ecosystem than an imported one.

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    51. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur. Their Columbian is excellent (not a big fan of the regular brew from them though). That said if I can get the same taste out of a fair-trade/organic brew consistently from a grocery store I'd be happy to pay a bit more.

    52. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explanation doesn't fit the agenda... you've been down moded just for suggesting it.

    53. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the rest of the world has Nes-Cafe, they know exactly how bad freeze dried instant coffee is.

    54. Re:I don't drink coffee by joeweiss1810 · · Score: 1

      sounds like a dunkin donuts fan here...

    55. Re:I don't drink coffee by Mashdar · · Score: 2

      I smiled when I saw parent's post. Starbucks has terrible coffee for a "coffee" place. And this is coming from a guy that bought Dunkin Donuts coffee for two years while he lived in New England, so I don't think I'm being elitist... Dunkin coffee is drinkable, there are a few gas station chains in other areas with better, such as Wawa (PA, DE, VA).

      For at home, I'm a big fan of the Trader Joe's Columbian. I have family send it to me, since I cannot buy it where I live now. I make it in a french press -- don't know if different beans are better for drip vs press vs perc.

    56. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But ... but ... I read on Reddit that GMO is the bee's knees!!!

    57. Re:I don't drink coffee by Mashdar · · Score: 1

      Just curious -- When you say genetically manipulated, you mean cultivation/breeding, yes? Or if there is genetic engineering occuring, I'm curious who is doing it!

    58. Re:I don't drink coffee by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not saying Starbucks is the best thing on the planet. I'm just saying you forget how truly dismal the state of affairs was in American coffee before they came along.

      Total nonsense. Dunkin Donuts has much better coffee than Starbucks, and did for decades before some marketing genius in Seattle figured out you could charge $5/cup if you said "small, medium or large" in a foreign language. That's just one example.

      No, Dunkin Donuts is not some whiz-bang certified country/county/plantation of origin stuff, but it's decent stuff for a reasonable price.

    59. Re:I don't drink coffee by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It is not so much the climate change, but the mass production from genetically manipulated plants.

      Our entire food industry is moving from genetically diverse natural crops to monocultures of genetically modified sterile clones. Soon the only solutions to this year's virus that is wiping out global crop will be the newly developed variety from the same companies that are getting us into this mess in the first place.

    60. Re:I don't drink coffee by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Well [Charbucks] is at least several times as good as Dunkin Donuts... Fortunately, I can make coffee at home in that little espresso pot that sits on the stove - pure, strong espresso goodness. Or I can make in my regular espresso machine

      Obviously you prefer charcoal to coffee. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand why they insist on staring with coffee beans. After it's burnt to charcoal (Italian roast) it doesn't really matter what organic substance you started from. Acorns might be a good choice.

    61. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several of us at my company nearly staged an uprising when an HR person who didn't know any better brought back a bag of "Starbucks Dark French Roast" for our several thousand dollar coffee machine to use, thinking she was doing us a favor.

      Wow, you and the other coffee snobs at your company sound like a bunch of ungrateful assholes.

    62. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You all just don't want to admit that all coffee tastes exactly the same.

    63. Re:I don't drink coffee by jrumney · · Score: 1

      some marketing genius in Seattle figured out you could charge $5/cup if you said "small, medium or large" in a foreign language

      The smallest size I remember seeing on a Starbucks menu was called grande. Normally in chain stores I go for a machiatto, because the little bit of milk is needed to knock the edge off the overroasted coffee. But when I tried that in a Starbucks once I got a huge mug of milk with caramel squirted all over it. It didn't taste like they'd put any coffee in it at all.

    64. Re:I don't drink coffee by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      For at home, I'm a big fan of the Trader Joe's Columbian. I have family send it to me, since I cannot buy it where I live now. I make it in a french press -- don't know if different beans are better for drip vs press vs perc.

      Drip vs Press makes an enormous difference in most commercial coffees, and is probably why most people don't realize what crap they're drinking. Drippers brew at distinctly lower temperatures than most people who press, and the lower temperature greatly reduces extraction of the most offensive flavors in cheap, stale, or moldy coffee.

    65. Re:I don't drink coffee by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction - I only had appearance and smell to go by.

    66. Re:I don't drink coffee by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      People who demand good coffee don't go to overpriced ripoff stalls to find it. Most truckstops offer better stuff than Starbucks. I've been in three Starbucks, each far apart from each other. All three trips rewarded me with bilge water that I emptied on the side of the road.

      With enough marketing, you really can sell shit sandwiches to people who aren't even hungry.

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    67. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea how good Starbucks is until you try the abomination known as Folgers Crystals.

      That's sort of like saying "You have no idea how good Folgers Crystals are until you try drinking your own caffeinated urine."

      There are worse things. Far, far worse. The so-called coffee you get at fast-food places...

      McDonalds plain drip coffee is more flavorful than Starubucks drip coffee; even coffee snobs agree (though the food is of course much better at Starbucks.)

      Starbucks owes its success to (A) "Coffee drinks" that are mostly milk and sugar (B) baked goods that are decent and consistent (and mostly sugar) and (C) comfy chairs, soft lighting, and music. Their actual coffee is drinkable but mediocre.

    68. Re:I don't drink coffee by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "stand out when you load your drink up with cream, caramel, sugar, whipped cream, ice, and whatever else."

      Bingo. Most Starbucks customers aren't really interested in the coffee at all. The so-called "coffee" is just a vehicle with which to deliver all those obscene additives.

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    69. Re:I don't drink coffee by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Unfortunately, there is no Dunkin' Donuts around my part of the country. I used to love their Soup 'n Sandwich menu. I liked their coffee. And, I LOVED their donuts!

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    70. Re:I don't drink coffee by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I don't know why people believe ACs who say they are coffee farmers for over 100 years. Coffee is grown in steppes? Really?

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    71. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh geez. Here come the coffee snobs.

    72. Re:I don't drink coffee by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Total nonsense. Dunkin Donuts has much better coffee than Starbucks,

      Well, all subjective of course. I've heard DD is good; but I'm not interested in Donuts or the fast-food atmosphere. Maybe I'll try them the next time I'm on the road and am going to sit in the car and drink it anyway.

      Really, it's gotta have flavor though. Yeah, like everybody says 'bucks is burnt; but it's not dyed brown water. I think some people are kidding themselves over "the subtle flavor" of coffee where the barista ground up one bean and put some food coloring in there.

      Given the choice I'm at a mom-n-pop that's got a good reputation. The coffee tends to have flavor without being burnt, the atmosphere isn't standardized according to corporate guidelines, and staff quickly elevates you to "regular" status with surprisingly few visits.

      Nothing else around that looks good or cheap quick coffee at home? Starbucks and I make no apologies. Snobs can suck it.

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    73. Re:I don't drink coffee by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Actually, burning your coffee is the one thing that will result on a pretty standard flavor profile. This allows them to blend beans from multiple sources to meet demand. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to secure the volume of coffee required for the one-store-every-quarter-mile operation.

      Being able to shift the focus of their drinks to the cream, caramel, and other adulterants also provides an easily accepted method to extract additional money out of [foolish] customers, because they see value in "more is better". (compare and contrast to the topping-ization of national pizza chains)

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    74. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and leads to the evolution of blister rust.

    75. Re:I don't drink coffee by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      It's caffeinated, tastes like coffee, and there when I need it most. That's at least an A- in my book.

    76. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've found that the coffeepot has a lot more effect on the taste as the brand of coffee, unless you get that cheap shit that uses chicory as filler, that stuff tastes awful no matter how you brew it. The temperature of the water going through the grounds and the speed it's released have the biggest effect on taste (that, and the amount of grounds you use).

      I have two pots, one my mom gave me a few years ago that makes really lousy coffee, and a Bunn an old friend left me when he died. The Bunn makes great coffee, and everyone who visits in the morning remarks on how good it is. I'm going to hate it when the Bunn dies; they're expensive as hell and warranted for life, but as my friend expired, the warranty expired, too and those things aren't cheap.

      A Can of Maxwell House lasts me over a month, and is less than ten bucks. Five bucks for a cup of coffee is thievery.

    77. Re:I don't drink coffee by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      My standard comment when talking about 'French Roast' is that it's code for, "shit, we burnt this batch."

    78. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use to take Folgers Crystals camping and backpacking. Now, for regular camping, Now I have a grinder and coffee press. For backpacking though, I take those Starbucks Via packets...nothing is as convenient as those.

    79. Re:I don't drink coffee by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you've spotted one of his6 intentional mistakes. For bonus points tell us the othe 5.

    80. Re:I don't drink coffee by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I've heard DD is good; but I'm not interested in Donuts

      They sell donuts too?

      it's gotta have flavor though

      I like coffee you can stand a spoon up in. DD isn't like that, but it's definitely not brown water.

      Strong and burnt have nothing to do with each other (even if Charbucks tends to be both, but not really that strong). I hate burnt, but my favorite coffee is when I brew a pot and I grab the first cup before it finishes brewing.

      Starbucks and I make no apologies. Snobs can suck it.

      Most people I know who hate Charbucks aren't snobs about it, they just dislike burnt coffee as much as they dislike other burnt things. Their "blonde roast" isn't bad really, though overpriced of course.

    81. Re:I don't drink coffee by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I don't know why people believe ACs who say they are coffee farmers for over 100 years. Coffee is grown in steppes? Really?

      My family has breathed air for over 100 years. I suspect more but I can't prove it.

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    82. Re:I don't drink coffee by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      I drink Starbucks black. I like good coffee, go to a local roaster, have a burr grinder but have no problem with Starbucks dark roast as a pick me up. But then again I also luv spicy food (jalapenos are a green vegetable to me) and I'm a hop-head (that's hoppy beer folks).

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    83. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So sick of this. It's coffee. it's good. The market has spoken.

    84. Re:I don't drink coffee by TripleE78 · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? This is a selling point:

      -- Movie tie ins to an Avatar sequel, the Smurfs, etc.
      -- Blueberry flavored coffee! With anti-oxidants!
      -- Starbucks now sponsors [insert cause with blue bracelets] with bracelets and blue coffee
      -- Blue Man Group: The Coffee

    85. Re:I don't drink coffee by Amouth · · Score: 1

      One of the core problems with starbucks is the over roasting of all their beans, this is done to "ensure" consistency between stores. Mix that with enough marketing and a general populous that cares more about being hip and don't know any better, consistency becomes a major factor for them. If one store produced a better quality/tasting drink then you could have fragmentation of the brand name. It's the unification of the brand name that sets them apart from the mom & pop coffee shops, so consistency becomes one of the key factors to ensure that setting apart. Now to do that at a cheap cost the easiest way is to over roast the beans so that it doesn't matter where they are getting them from or the original quality..

      While i don't agree with it, and i don't care for their coffee, i can fully understand their strategic decision to do it, and it was and is proving to be a very wise decision.

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    86. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I've actually never had DD's coffee before. I'm not even sure if we have one in town, honestly.

    87. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Says someone who I'm guessing prefers tea? I actually like tea as well and have recently (as in, within the last few months) started trying to get into it more since I've liked what I've seen of it so far, though I'm just a neophyte when it comes to tea.

      But yeah, coffee can have vastly different flavors, particularly if you start drinking single-source beans, rather than stuff like Starbucks, where they tend to source from all over so as to maintain a more consistent flavor profile. The flavors start to become more unique and identifiable with single source, for much the same reason that blended and single varieties of Scotch are different.

      And while I do rail against Starbucks, I'm not above them or something. Sometimes a "coffee" drink that's really just dessert in a cup actually sounds okay. Ironically, today was one of those days, since I had a lunch meeting with someone at Starbucks, less than 12 hours after making that post above.

    88. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Actually, despite writing that post above, I went to a Starbucks less than 12 hours later and had a something to drink, since a lunch meeting ended up being there. I can admit that sometimes a frou-frou "coffee" drink actually sounds enjoyable, which is clearly not the behavior of a true snob.

      Starbucks is not nearly as bad as some of the other stuff out there (as others have pointed out in response to my previous post), but people who think it's actually good are simply misguided, misinformed, or ignorant, and I'd be willing to wager that if we did a blind taste test with you, you'd agree that Starbucks' coffee is not as tasty as coffee that's properly roasted and prepared.

    89. Re:I don't drink coffee by wahini · · Score: 1

      What you have said is true, but most importantly to cut costs, if you over-roast the coffee beans you can use cheap $2 a pound beans instead of $3 or $4 a pound beans(when you're buying 200 ton bulk loads of coffee beans). You just can't taste the difference when they over-roast it.

    90. Re:I don't drink coffee by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      It is convenient, more than anything else. Also, the Starbucks in USA are not the same than the ones in Japan or Mexico; the japanese ones are spotless, clean and have many nice things in the menu that are not seen anywhere else. In Mexico most of the time are cleaner than the ones in USA, but not as clean than the ones in Japan, but the personnel is friendly, and are a good spot to keep working outside school/workplace. The snobbery is more in the eyes in the ones that think that the patrons of Starbucks are snobs and hipsters in the same vein that the people that believe that users of Apple's products are snobs and hipsters when most of them aren't.

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    91. Re:I don't drink coffee by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Did they breath air on the steppes?

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    92. Re:I don't drink coffee by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      As far as I understand the topic, for now there has only been two kind of successful GMO crops: the ones resistant to herbicide, and the ones producing insecticides.

      The herbicide-resistant ones allows the farmer to dump a lot of roundup to kill other weeds that compete with the crop. That approach obviously does not apply to trees

      The insecticide-producer ones saves the need to spread insecticide to protect the crop, it produces it one its own. Do tea tree have growing problems because of insects? I understand it does not, making this approach irrelevant.

      Of course you could imagine a GMO that produce compound killing yeasts. But yeasts are not insects, they reproduce much faster and will probably get resistant quickly

    93. Re:I don't drink coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the worst excuse.

    94. Re:I don't drink coffee by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      What, pray tell, does Starbucks have to do with good coffee?

      Cream... milk.... sugar pop out of my ven diagram.

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    95. Re:I don't drink coffee by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      They have some you can buy there, jackass.

      Isn't what I'd call good coffee. Overpriced overly-flavored trendy shit.

      I'll stick with the cheap shit I buy at Wallyworld, a 33 oz can for what they want for one cup at Starbucks.

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  3. Don't panic by russotto · · Score: 0

    Coffee futures are down, supplies are up. This is just another warmist scare story.

    1. Re:Don't panic by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 1

      Coffee futures are down, supplies are up.

      This is true

      This is just another warmist scare story.

      The last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm was a very long time ago, way before neanderthals, at the time of homo erectus. Maybe it's not unreasonable to worry.

    2. Re:Don't panic by c0lo · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is just another warmist scare story.

      The last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm was a very long time ago, way before neanderthals, at the time of homo erectus. Maybe it's not unreasonable to worry.

      Why worry? First - the neanderthals are extinct, second - they didn't drink coffee.

      (ducks)

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    3. Re:Don't panic by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean during the last inter-ice age period? Like the one we're currently moving into?

    4. Re:Don't panic by russotto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The last time CO2 levels were at 400ppm was a very long time ago, way before neanderthals, at the time of homo erectus. Maybe it's not unreasonable to worry.

      Fortunately coffee is a C3 plant, and should respond well to a CO2-enriched atmosphere.

    5. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No you moron. Much further back.

      Are people retarded? They don't know a difference between 10,000 years and 2,000,000 years?? That's well over 20 ice ages ago. Get a clue.

      The only thing we are moving into the 6th Great Extinction caused by ourselves. Pat yourselves on the back. Your ignorance deserves it.

      http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/03/28/the-sixth-great-extinction-a-silent-extermination/

    6. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years before that (dinosaurs and ferns ruled), CO2 was 3000 ppm, temps were higher, oxygen was higher, mammals appeared, life was good.

    7. Re:Don't panic by magarity · · Score: 2

      Why worry? First - the neanderthals are extinct, second - they didn't drink coffee.

      Maybe they went extinct because their coffee plantations all rusted away?

    8. Re:Don't panic by serbanp · · Score: 1

      Uninformed opinion. Mammals are at least as old as dinosaurs and some findings indicate that they're even older! Thank $DEITY for the yucatan meteorite!

    9. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (ducks)

      I'm fairly certain ducks don't drink coffee either.

  4. Buy stock in Red Bull. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sales of energy drinks will go through the roof.

  5. well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 'best coffee' in the world comes out of a cats ass i'm told...

    So you'll pardon me if i really don't care what happens to coffee or coffee drinkers...

    You're all some sick sick little moo cows anyway. Get away from me.

    1. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coca-Cola products
      Pepsi Cola products
      All the other cola products
      some Headache remedies
      some ADD remedies (OTC)
      Energy drinks
      Ice Cream!
      Irish Coffee!
      and more...have caffeine from coffee!

    2. Re:well... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      The 'best coffee' in the world comes out of a cats ass i'm told...

      I don't know about better, but it is cheaper. I just scoop it out of the litter box. After you reduce it to charcoal for that authentic espresso style, you can't tell the difference anyway.

  6. Bring back the Robusta beans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't call them robusta for nothing.

    1. Re:Bring back the Robusta beans by c0lo · · Score: 1

      They don't call them robusta for nothing.

      Bitter like hell. I prefer uncured olives over robusta.

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  7. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why does every problem we face today come back to global warming? Oh wait, that is not the correct buzz word, because the planet is actually cooling, not getting warmer... I'm sorry, I meant "climate change".

    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does ever bible thumper consider it a bad thing to change ones mind about something in light of new data? Regardless of what the earth is or is not doing, that is the message that your post is conveying. That once you make a claim, you'd better stick to that claim, no matter how much evidence later comes up against that claim.

      I wish I understood why you people consider pig-headedness to be a virtue.

    2. Re:Seriously? by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does ever bible thumper consider it a bad thing to change ones mind about something in light of new data?

      Why does everyone else do that too? I guess because we've evolved not to readily change our minds. Maybe it was bad for us if we changed our minds too much about saber-tooth tigers or poisonous plants. "I think poison ivy changed due to a dream vision I had last night. Let's roll in it!"

      I find it remarkable how anti-scientific some of the attitudes among the supposedly pro-science side are. Here, you are complaining about "bible thumpers" merely because they exhibit a universal human behavior.

      As to your "data", I think it's painfully clear that the researcher (who was quoted on the climate change allegation) is tying coffee rust to climate change in order to sell their story and attract funding rather than tell a more plausible story. Where is the discussion of evolution of coffee rust, bad farming practices, and the presence of more susceptible coffee plants (they need not be at the same farm as the "fine coffee" plants)?

    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Where is the discussion of evolution of coffee rust, bad farming practices, and the presence of more susceptible coffee plants (they need not be at the same farm as the "fine coffee" plants)?"

      Right there in the article summary?

    4. Re:Seriously? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's not true. From 1950-1970's, the average temperatures plateaued. Then from about 1970 to 1990, they had a large rise. From 1990 until about now, they plateaued again. No one knows why, however the scientists expect it to have another large rise shortly. So, the planet isn't cooling and so you cannot feel comfortable continuing the live the lifestyle you'd like. You may have to...what is the word...change.

    5. Re:Seriously? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Eh, true. I was wrong there.

      But the climate talk is the first thing discussed. Same in the actual story. They give air time first to the guy with the climate conspiracy theory rather than the people who are pointing out the readily apparent alternatives. It's not as bad as I claimed, but there's still a bias towards the climate change-based explanation.

  8. End of the world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nooooooooooo!

  9. The Day Coffee Stopped Working by DVega · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  10. Coffee is threatened? by Andrio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally, something to unify all Americans against climate change. Democrat or republican, poor or rich... It doesn't matter. We'll all stand together to stop this evil!

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    1. Re:Coffee is threatened? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I refuse to believe that change is bad. Change is the one thing in life that we can depend on. Our constant companion. I embrace change of any kind. Besides I prefer Mormon Tea to coffee. As long as Ma Huang is not affected I will continue to bask in the warmth of the ever changing climate.

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    2. Re:Coffee is threatened? by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good luck getting the deniers to accept that it is actually climate change that's affecting the coffee supply.

      Rather than evolution of coffee rust, bad farming practices, and development and planting of coffee plants more susceptible to coffee rust? I imagine it won't be the least bit difficult.

    3. Re:Coffee is threatened? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I once thought as you. Then I plotted all the changes of the world that I could. After marveling at the cycles in the energies of life, I forced myself to take a step back and plot the general reduction in the diversity of life over time. I will not do this for you, because your sanity is valuable to me. In short, there is a dead-line by which sentient AI must be born in order to carry the human spirit of exploration and science onward.

      First they came for the Coffee Tree, but I did nothing, because I drank Tea....

    4. Re:Coffee is threatened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mormon Tea, what is that? Sounds like a drink like Red Bull and Vodka or 4Loko.

    5. Re:Coffee is threatened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, this is just another niche scare for the climate change religion to keep the funding study dream alive.

    6. Re:Coffee is threatened? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now only if anything in the article actually led to the conclusion that climate change has anything to do with the increased spread of this disease, rather than massive plantations of a monoculture of genetically near-identical plants.

      But yeah, I'm sure it's climate change that's causing it.

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    7. Re:Coffee is threatened? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I refuse to believe that change is bad.

      When you change from living to dead because you can't get water, your estimation will revise from refusing to believe to being unable to believe.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:Coffee is threatened? by khallow · · Score: 1

      . In short, there is a dead-line by which sentient AI must be born in order to carry the human spirit of exploration and science onward.

      In other words, you haven't actually undertaken these activities in question. Sure, maybe you think you have. But you're suffering from the extrapolation fallacy. If we were to use your methods, then we would have concluded that all life became extinct after the Permian extinction - if not much earlier!

      And we ignore here that there's plenty of life that has adapted quite well to a human presence and human changes, such as the numerous species of coffee plants.

  11. You know what to do by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    Screw gold, the USD, and bitcoins. Start hoarding cans of coffee

    --

    "When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
  12. good coffee? by Xicor · · Score: 0

    never heard of it

  13. Time to invest in Starbucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all of the good coffee gone, they are going to make a mint.

  14. Panic by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

    Oh that's it, the spooks hacked the coffee now too, this appears to be getting personal... They say don't screw with 'merika's oil, but u screw with our coffee, that's just askin fer it... "Fuel the nukes"...

  15. There will be consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not trying to be an alarmist, but this means substantially fewer LOC written in Perl and C.

  16. New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 0

    There's a fruit store on our street
    It's run by a Greek
    And he keeps good things to eat But you should hear him speak!
    When you ask him anything, he never answers "no"
    He just "yes"es you to death, and as he takes your dough He tells you
    "Yes, we have no coffee
    We have-a no coffee today
    We've string beans, and onions
    Cabashes, and scallions,
    And all sorts of fruit and say
    We have an old fashioned tomato
    A Long Island potato But yes, we have no coffee
    We have no coffee today

    Business got so good for him that he wrote home today,
    "Send me Pete and Nick and Jim; I need help right away"
    When he got them in the store, there was fun, you bet
    Someone asked for "sparrow grass" and then the whole quartet
    All answered "Yes, we have no coffee
    We have-a no coffee today
    Just try those coconuts
    Those wall-nuts and doughnuts
    There ain't many nuts like they
    We'll sell you two kinds of red herring,
    Dark brown, and ball-bearing
    But yes, we have no coffee
    We have no coffee today"

    He, he, he, he, ha, ha, ha whatta you laugh at?
    You gotta soup or pie?
    Yes, I don't think we got soup or pie
    You gotta coconut pie?
    Yes, I don't think we got coconut pie
    Well I'll have one cup a coffee
    We gotta no coffee
    Then watta you got?
    I got a coffee!
    Oh you've got a coffee!

    Yes, we gotta no coffee, No coffee, No coffee, I tell you we gotta no coffee today
    I sella you no coffee
    Hey, Mary Anna, you gotta... gotta no coffee?
    Why this man, he's no believe-a what I say no he no believe me
    Now whatta you wanta mister? You wanna buy twelve for a quarter?
    Well, just a one of a look, I'm gonna call for my daughter
    Hey, Mary Anna You gotta piana
    Yes, a coffee, no
    Yes, we gotta no coffee today!

    The new English "clark" (a.k.a. "clerk"):
    Yes, we are very sorry to inform you
    That we are entirely out of the fruit in question
    The afore-mentioned vegetable Bearing the cognomen "coffee"
    We might induce you to accept a substitute less desirable,
    But that is not the policy at this internationally famous green grocery
    I should say not. No no no no no no no
    But may we suggest that you sample our five o'clock tea
    Which we feel certain will tempt your pallet?
    However we regret that after a diligent search
    Of the premises By our entire staff
    We can positively affirm without fear of contradiction
    That our raspberries are delicious; really delicious
    Very delicious But we have no coffee today.


    Apologies to these guys

    1. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      Silly Greek, didn't you know the Chinese are the new Jews...

    2. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get bent asswipe. You could just type in the title of the song.

      Seriously... why do fucking idiots think they are so clever when they fill an entire page with their copy/paste of song lyrics?

    3. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by chromaexcursion · · Score: 1

      oh god, you bastard, I read the whole thing. my some deity punish you.

    4. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      Oh totally, please stand out with religious extremism...

    5. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 0
      Why yes I *do* bend my arm and wrist to wipe my ass just like everyone else, but no I couldn't since I also took the time to modify the lyrics to fit the current situation, you may have noticed that instead of "bananas" it now says "coffee". What makes it clever isn't the fact that I copied and pasted the lyrics, or even that I modified them, it's that I connected it to the historical disappearance of bananas due to disease and a song that has been attributed to that banana blight, which appears to be completely missed by both Anonymous Cowards and whoever modded my post off-topic, but such is life on /. and I'll continue posting whenever and whatever the mood strikes me.

      A wild scenario? Not when you consider that there's already been one banana apocalypse. Until the early 1960s, American cereal bowls and ice cream dishes were filled with the Gros Michel, a banana that was larger and, by all accounts, tastier than the fruit we now eat. Like the Cavendish, the Gros Michel, or "Big Mike," accounted for nearly all the sales of sweet bananas in the Americas and Europe. But starting in the early part of the last century, a fungus called Panama disease began infecting the Big Mike harvest. The malady, which attacks the leaves, is in the same category as Dutch Elm disease. It appeared first in Suriname, then plowed through the Car- ibbean, finally reaching Honduras in the 1920s. (The country was then the world's largest banana producer; today it ranks third, behind Ecuador and Costa Rica.)

      Growers adopted a frenzied strategy of shifting crops to unused land, maintaining the supply of bananas to the public but at great financial and environmental expense-the tactic destroyed millions of acres of rainforest. By 1960, the major importers were nearly bankrupt, and the future of the fruit was in jeopardy. (Some of the shortages during that time entered the fabric of popular culture; the 1923 musical hit "Yes! We Have No Bananas" is said to have been written after songwriters Frank Silver and Irving Cohn were denied in an attempt to purchase their favorite fruit by a syntactically colorful, out-of-stock neighborhood grocer.) U.S. banana executives were hesitant to recognize the crisis facing the Gros Michel, according to John Soluri, a history professor at Carnegie Mellon University and author of Banana Cultures, an upcoming book on the fruit. "Many of them waited until the last minute."

    6. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

      Thanks, it's fairly entertaining on it's own, although very dated in it's racial sensitivity. ;)

    7. Re:New pop hit: Yes! We have no coffee today! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

      Well he did say "my some deity punish you", which sounds like a group of one worshiping a personal deity, if that's not extreme I don't know what is.

  17. It Happened to Chocolate 100 Years Ago by broward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://worldfamousdesignjunkies.com/food/rare-near-extinct-fine-chocolate-rediscovered-in-peru/

    "Pure Nacional, with its complex fruit and floral flavors, once dominated the fine chocolate market worldwide. In 1916, diseases struck the Pure Nacional population in Ecuador and within three years 95% of the trees were destroyed. The prized chocolate was thought to be lost, until now."

  18. Re:coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Americans don't know what good coffee is...

    Not trying to be trollish but what you tend to drink is nothing like a good coffee in Australia and no doubt in lots of other parts of the world.

    "Not trying to be trollish but"

    You failed.

  19. Climate change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Mono cultures seem to help disease spread faster. When one particular type of plant becomes very popular, well a large portion of the available farm land will be stuffed to capacity with that plant. Just like the flu will most likely spread faster in humans when they cluster together.

    1. Re:Climate change? by broward · · Score: 1

      I can't find a reference but at a "coming out" party for Pure Nacional chocolate, one of the presenters implied that it died out so quickly because of monoculture.

  20. Climate or planting methods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So from the fine article it appears that the spread of coffee rust could have something to do with the changes in cultivation practices. Or we could get climate alarmists all excited by blaming climate change. Reading carefully, it's clear that cultivation practices have a lot to do with the rust outbreak. But we can get climate alarmists all excited by blaming climate change. Woo!

  21. Coffee? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

    No cause for alarm.
    On the other hand, I might actually care if beer is in danger.

    1. Re:Coffee? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      And so long as there is enough beer, people have a remedy for worrying about other shortages.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    2. Re:Coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake me up when the oceans dry up.
      Also, once all the ice on the poles has melted, sea water might actually be drinkable.

  22. Is there nothing climate change can't do? by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not known yet exactly why coffee rust has become such a problem now, but one of the leading suspects is climate change.

    Here's another eye-rolling moment from the chicken littles who can't be bothered to decide what climate change is. From the article,

    âoeThereâ(TM)s increasing evidence that climate change is part of the problem. You find coffee rust striking much farther up the valleys than it used to. Thereâ(TM)s no other plausible explanation,â Baker said. âoeBut what happened last year, and why it was so aggressive and widespread, weâ(TM)re still a bit [perplexed]. And if we donâ(TM)t really know what caused it, itâ(TM)s going to be hard to predict.â

    Another plausible explanation, especially given the more virulent nature of this coffee rust problem, is that it has evolved or a new strain has moved in. That wasn't hard. Note that the researcher is confident that "climate change" is involved, but far less confident that biology is involved.

    This is a researcher in the field making these claims not some ignorant Wired writer. I see this as further evidence that climatology has been taken over by political forces. A scientist makes an overly confident claim about "climate change" and it gets readily and uncritically reported by a high profile news source. And the take away that the reader gets is that their coffee is threatened by climate change. That's a classic propaganda move.

    1. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2

      Undoing moderation. Be nice if Slashdot would add an undo feature.

    2. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Note that the researcher is confident that "climate change" is involved, but far less confident that biology is involved.

      Funny enough, climate and biology do not operate independently.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    3. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny enough, climate and biology do not operate independently.

      I grant that. But note again, how confident the researcher is in one and not the other.

    4. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also no one has ever engaged in wholesale mass poor farming practices before... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

      They are plowing under huge forests to grow palm oil and coffee as fast as they can.

      I think this guy put it best so far in this conversation. http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3853515&cid=43981185

    5. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a researcher in the field making these claims not some ignorant Wired writer. I see this as further evidence that astrophysics has been taken over by political forces. A scientist makes an overly confident claim about "gravity" and it gets readily and uncritically reported by a high profile news source. And the take away that the reader gets is that their beach body diet is threatened by gravity. That's a classic propaganda move.

      Does that sound ridiculous to you? That's exactly how you sound to anyone who has examined the copious amounts of data with climate change. Most people know very little about astrophysics, but I doubt anyone here would attempt to "deny" gravity just because they don't like the implications it suggests. And if you do, I suggest you test your hypothesis from the tallest building you can find.

    6. Re:Is there nothing climate change can't do? by khallow · · Score: 1

      That's exactly how you sound to anyone who has examined the copious amounts of data with climate change.

      I have too. I don't sound like that to me. One thing I've done, which apparently you haven't, is to examine both the reliability of the "copious" data in question and the conflicts of interest present in the field of climatology.

      The theory of gravity can be studied in a hallway and I have personally confirmed a couple of its predictions (particularly, the strength of the effect) to about 20% for a university lab. Predictions in climatology are based on sophisticated and opaque models which in turn are based on nebulous and subjective interpretations of temperature proxy data.

      We've only been measuring global mean temperature for about three decades. Before that, we've used progressively weaker temperature proxies.

      So where is the hallway experiment that confirms global warming predictions? Even radiative forcing by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, the most solid part of the theory are distorted profoundly by effects that climatologists don't understand well - such as cloud cover, albedo changes from snow cover, and increased heat loss from storms. It is stupid, as well as insulting to the reader, to claim that confidence in climate change theories should be on the level of the confidence in the theory of gravity.

      As to the conflicts of interest, it's worth noting that the lion's share and most influential of climatology research is done by groups funded by governments which have a large interest in promoting anything, such as carbon emissions reduction, which increase their power and control over society.

  23. Re:coffee by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    "Not trying to be trollish but"

    Slashdot should automatically prefix that to every post.

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  24. gros michel and panama disease redux by 0111+1110 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yup. Monoculture was the first thing I thought of. That's why we can only get bland Cavendish bananas in the US now, which rot before they will sweeten, instead of sweet, delicious Gros Michels. Panama disease killed off the vast majority of Gros Michel bananas and the Cavendish was selected solely for its resistance to that disease. Not for its taste.

    --
    Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
    1. Re:gros michel and panama disease redux by gtall · · Score: 1

      Something similar happened to tomatoes, but it wasn't a disease. It was instead the American consumer who equate red with delicious. So companies in Florida started shipping the red, tasteless kind. The best thing that can happen to tomatoes in America is S. and Central America putting Florida tomato producers out of business.

  25. There is no problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've already got huge stockpiles of caffeine in the USA, right? So, the simple answer to this problem is to create an artificially coffee flavored drink that can be warmed up. All you'd have to do is add a certain amount of caffeine to it and VIOLA! Instant coffee!

    Or we could just switch to drinking soda. That has caffeine in it, am I right? You also have a significantly lower risk of accidentally burning your vagina with a Pepsi.

    Or I suppose we could just drink water, which is healthier than both coffee and soda, and doesn't have an extremely addictive chemical (caffeine) in it. But if you'd rather drink your ObamaCoffee or your ObamaPepsi, that's fine with me. On an unrelated note, why is bottled water more expensive than a similar quantity of soda or, in some cases, even beer?

    Didn't beer and/or hard (apple) cider used to be preferable to water a couple decades ago because most American water was filthier than the stuff you could get in Mexico?

    1. Re:There is no problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get back under your bridge.

    2. Re:There is no problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best comment of the day.

  26. maybe it's a sign by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    I never drink coffee because it tastes like disgusting burnt plants or something. Maybe since it causes headaches, high blood pressure, dehydration, kidney stones, teeth stains, etc maybe this is a sign that you all should stop drinking it. If not for your health, just walk into a Starbucks and see what kind of self-important, hippie, too-cool-for-you douchebags are there drinking $5 coffee imported specifically and purposely from somewhere you've never heard of and then reconsider your morning drink. I down some energy drink with TONS of vitamin B6 and B12 and no creatine or anything real harmful and 42 mg of caffine (1 can of most sodas contains 52 mg and one cup of coffee is usualy 70+). Then I ride the metabolism bonfire, anti-oxident happy train all the way to 5:00 lol.

    1. Re:maybe it's a sign by fuzznutz · · Score: 0

      I never drink coffee because it tastes like disgusting burnt plants or something. Maybe since it causes headaches, high blood pressure, dehydration, kidney stones, teeth stains, etc

      You forgot the horrible breath. You cannot sit far enough away from a coffee drinker at a lunch table to avoid that horrible dragon breath that accompanies them everywhere after a morning of drinking the stuff. Worse, if they are also smokers. You always hope they order something with lots of garlic to mask the smell and that it arrives quickly. I always wondered if their spouses retched when they went home and kissed them hello.

    2. Re:maybe it's a sign by broward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I like being a "self-important, hippie, too-cool-for-you douchebag".

      Come join us,
      it's only $5.

    3. Re:maybe it's a sign by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      For the more enlightened of us self-important, hippie, too-cool-for-you douchebags, coffee breath is an *aphrodisiac*. Although I would concur that the crap at McBuck's doesn't rate.

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    4. Re:maybe it's a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why so bitter?

      Not the beverage, I mean.

      Were you hurt by a coffee drinker as a child or something?

    5. Re:maybe it's a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'd much prefer to have an "energy drink" created in a lab and crammed with so many VITAMINS AND MINERALS that my pee will RIDE THE METABOLISM BONFIRE!!!!111eleven!!!one. If I need anything, it's eight times the amount of B12 my body can possibly metabolize. It's the bees knees.

      You realize that the most research about coffee has been disproven in recent years right? (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coffee-and-health/AN01354) That most of the research that was done didn't account for other adverse health conditions that are prevalent among coffee drinkers? Of course you wouldn't just spout nonsense out of some smug sense of self superiority would you? Of course not. I mean, how could you? You certainly won't feel superior when your constant overdose of B12 results in liver damage....

      You realize that not everyone drinks coffee for the caffeine right? And not all coffee drinkers like starbucks right? Some people drink coffee in the comfort of their homes, because they enjoy the taste, and they spend very little money per cup-- all while they don't overdose on vitamins that if not pissed out can wreak havoc on vital systems.

      Troll harder.

  27. The real cause of the coming zombie apocalypse by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 4, Funny

    Millions of people roaming the earth in a state that is neither alive nor dead. All in search of caffeine; not brains.

    Cheers,
    Dave

    --
    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
    Ben
  28. Re:coffee by BlueToast · · Score: 1

    Been to Auch, FR, coffee there is exceptionally better than the coffee in the States.

  29. It happened to bananas, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The banana that many of us (at least those of us over a certain age) grew up snacking on now is extinct. As a result of a banana monoculture and an ever-mutating fungus, the Gros Michael variety of banana is no more.

    Without the public noticing, around 1960 the Gros Michael disappeared and Chiquita (aka United Brands) replaced it with the much less tasty Cavendish variety. Well, actually banana eaters did notice that bananas had suddenly gotten less snackable but nobody gave a reason or acknowledged that anything was wrong. Eventually people came to accept the Cavendish while still thinking that bananas weren't as good as they used to be.

    And now the Cavendish banana is going the same way as the Gros Michael thanks to the same monoculture farming technique. And there may not be a replacement.

    1. Re:It happened to bananas, too by khallow · · Score: 1

      And now the Cavendish banana is going the same way as the Gros Michael thanks to the same monoculture farming technique. And there may not be a replacement.

      Except for the next monoculture varieties that they come up with. It's just not that hard. They could also switch back to the Gros Michael. It's still around.

    2. Re:It happened to bananas, too by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wouldn't care if the Cavendish goes extinct (along with the farms that grow it), as you said it's near tasteless - a good potato is even tastier. Perhaps it's only good as an edible stage prop - more photogenic.

      Plenty of other tastier banana breeds available and strangely many seem cheaper than the Cavendish in my country. So all that monoculture etc doesn't actually make it cheaper to me - maybe it makes it more profitable to the ones selling it?

      Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Finger_banana
      For more see: http://www.agroforestry.net/tti/Banana-plantain-overview.pdf

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    3. Re:It happened to bananas, too by garyebickford · · Score: 5, Informative

      A couple of notes - it's "Gros Michel", and you're right, by all accounts it was a much tastier banana - more fruity. Cavendish is so unfruity it might as well be a grain. All Cavendish plants worldwide are clones - identical plants. Cavendish, like Navel Oranges, produce no seeds. The impact of this change was huge - Cavendish bananas are extremely sensitive to bruising so an entire new bush-to-ship-to-distributor-to-store system had to be developed, that protected the bananas from any stress. The bananas had to be shipped in clusters. The ships were even different.

      But there are 700 other species of banana. There are at least two major research thrusts - genetic engineering (trying to engineer a resistant version), and selective breeding & hybridization (trying to breed a new banana by cross breeding existing plants with desirable characteristics). IMHO it would be at least as effective to just provide a wider range of bananas in the store at a reasonable price - so far all the alternatives have been 2X or 3X the price of Cavendish.

      A company I'm looking at is also working on an epigenetic solution - exposing the undifferentiated stem cells to stresses that will hopefully encourage the banana plants to express their genes differently, including genes that provide resistance.

      --
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    4. Re:It happened to bananas, too by broward · · Score: 1

      GMO!
      GMO!

    5. Re:It happened to bananas, too by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is the best example of GMO I've heard of was a project to deliver vaccines via banana. No refrigeration required, long shelf life, easy to ship and the dose is delivered by eating chunks of banana instead of injections. The GMO backlash meant the rules changed so that only someone as big as Monsanto can afford to comply with the regulations, so that killed the banana vaccines just as dead as the Nigerian dwarf spider goats.

    6. Re:It happened to bananas, too by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia claims

      "In the 1950s the Panama disease, a wilt caused by the fungus Fusarium oxysporum, wiped out vast tracts of ‘Gros Michel’ plantations in South America and Africa, but the cultivar survived in Thailand."

      I know wikipedia can be manipulated but still I trust is more than an anonymous coward on /.

      --
      note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
    7. Re:It happened to bananas, too by jrumney · · Score: 1

      The banana that many of us (at least those of us over a certain age) grew up snacking on now is extinct.

      For this to be true, your certain age has to be over 55. And extinct has to be redefined to mean not widely available commercially in the Western world.

    8. Re:It happened to bananas, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know wikipedia can be manipulated but still I trust is more than an anonymous coward on /.

      Protip: Skim the edit history.

  30. Climate Change - Location Change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If indeed climate change is a contributing factor, it seems that other climates may have been changed to be more favorable too. Is it possible that this will simply relocate the coffee industry rather than decimating it?

  31. Farming Techniques... and Zombies by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    As the article points out, I'm wondering if farming techniques and the propensity to have homogenous crops are more to blame than climate change. True, temperature rises means that plants at various elevations are more susceptible to the disease, but the spread seems, in my opinion, to be more related to plants that are close together and of the same genetic variety. Its possible that if they spread things out and plant different variants that the problem wouldn't be as pronounced.

    Of course, without coffee we may be unleashing the Zombie Apocalypse....

  32. didn't fail by chromaexcursion · · Score: 1

    the statement is sadly true.
    being a proud member of the minority. I demand good coffee!

    I'd rather go without than get coffee at mcdonalds

    1. Re:didn't fail by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      Where is the like button on posts...

  33. Strawberries in Egypt by kbahey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Same for Strawberries in Egypt in the last quarter of the 20th century. The cultivar that was used initially was so sweet and fragrant, but did not keep well in the heat of Egypt and could not withstand transportation with heavy loss. Enter the current cultivar: much bigger fruits that look better, significantly harder, and almost tasteless, like the ones you find in the USA/Canada supermarkets. The older cultivar vanished in a year or two.

    It was not disease, but yield that did it.

  34. Sell Your Starbucks Stock Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ditto.

  35. Also psychology by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3

    Part of this is also psychology. We're wired to dislike being wrong, especially in public - it indicates to others that we aren't fit for reproduction. Most people would rather dig their heels in than admit they're wrong (viz: any government official).

    You first have to pop the person out of heuristic mode and into systemic mode. The easiest way to do this is to phrase the information as a question. Best is constructing the question in a "leading" way to encourage them to choose your side of an issue..

    So for example:

    "Would you support the ban on Child Pornography if it resulted in more children being molested?"

    (CP being the most emotional hot-button issue I can think of.)

    (For more info, "The Psychology of Selling" has a lot of down-to-Earth information on convincing people.)

    1. Re:Also psychology by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      We're wired to dislike being wrong, especially in public

      True. That's why I make it a point to never be wrong.

      Most people would rather dig their heels in than admit they're wrong (viz: any government official).

      Government officials may never admit they're wrong, but they'll change their "minds" depending on which way the wind is blowing.

      Academics are worse (obviously a generalization, but not bad as generalizations go). Once they've established a reputation/career by saying one thing, you couldn't get a mathematician to admit he was wrong about 2+2=5.

  36. Well by no-body · · Score: 1

    Growing coffee in the current industrialized fashion (not organic growers) makes heavy use of fung/pesticides. Cofee beans after harvested and spread out to dry are sprayed daily with fungicides.

    Maybe, just maybe the undesired organisms are getting adapted to the poisons, survive and hamper production?

    It's big business for the chemical industry selling all that poison....

  37. Banana Alobama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://gawker.com/5823906/the-banana-apocalypse-is-coming

    Not only the coffee got hit, Banana got hit too !!

    The culprit is known as "Fusarium Wilt"

    http://www.plantmanagementnetwork.org/pub/php/management/bananapanama/

    1. Re:Banana Alobama by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Troll

      I hate the American stuff. Bright, tangy, awful.

      Give me Arabica from Java, Indonesia, equatorial Africa.

      Yeah, I don't care what the fixed-gears with handle-bar moustaches say, down at Intellgensia. They're the same sheep-flock gourmets, who swill down small batch beers, with preference for hops to malt. Hops. Yechh.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    2. Re:Banana Alobama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly - those are the tasty beans. Of course I am glad that the Americans are drinking the stuff from Brazil, Mexico etc - otherwise there would not be enough coffee to go round.

    3. Re:Banana Alobama by webgovernor · · Score: 1

      Sorry gents, but I tend to purchase 100% Arabica from overseas. Should I go back to Folgers? (Also, not all Americans prefer anti-freeze bittering agent in their beers, but it does seem to be trendy at the moment).

    4. Re:Banana Alobama by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      What does hops have to do with anti-freeze? (Anti-freeze is generally sweet.)

    5. Re:Banana Alobama by sunsurfandsand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give me Arabica from Java, Indonesia, equatorial Africa.

      For clarification about arabica coffee: in my late 20s and early 30s (a very long time ago), I worked in the coffee import business. As I recall, there are two basic types of coffee; arabica and robusta. The arabica beans, no matter where they come from, are the superior coffee, at least with respect to flavor. Robusta beans are generally used as filler, or in manufactured coffee products like freeze-dried coffee, or in extremely dark roasts. Robusta beans do have one thing going for them (besides being cheaper); they have higher caffeine content.

      Throughout the coffee growing regions, there are many varieties of arabica coffees. Depending on where and how they are grown, subtle, and some not so subtle, differences among the varieties can be appreciated. There are guys on the Green Coffee Exchange in New York, and no doubt elsewhere, who can correctly identify the origin of coffees in blind taste tests. I wasn't one of them, but I learned a good deal about coffee while working among those folks.

      One thing I learned is that for most people, how a given coffee is roasted has more to do with how it tastes than does where it's from. Also of great importance is how the coffee is brewed. Coffee graders always roast and brew in a specific way so that when grading, they taste the differences inherent in the beans.

      While I definitely agree that arabica coffee is what I would want, I think that a blanket statement about what region's coffee to avoid would be hard to support if given the chance to compare well made arabica coffee from Colombia, Hawaii, Jamaica, and elsewhere.

      Also, it is interesting that one would have a preference for arabica coffee from Indonesia in particular. So little of it comes from there. Indonesian coffee is 90% robusta.

    6. Re:Banana Alobama by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Thanks for this. I love the really well-informed input.

      I do know that these golden, "spiky" roasts are really not "my cup of tea", and they have taken the premium-coffee set for a whirl.

      Dark roasting can hide an inferior coffee, so it appears that the reverse assumption is being made: dark roasts are inferior quality.

      Frankly? I like burgundies. I like 82% cacao. I like Guiness and top-fermented Ales that often contain no hops. I like dark coffees, and light ones make my skin itch... :-)

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    7. Re:Banana Alobama by webgovernor · · Score: 1

      Ah, in the US we add bittering-agent to anti-freeze so children and animals don't drink it. My point was that these chemicals reflect the taste of hops.

  38. Re:coffee by Molochi · · Score: 1

    It's cool. Everyone thinks they make the best coffee and beer. It's a thing.

    --
    "The Adobe Updater must update itself before it can check for updates. Would you like to update the Adobe Updater now?"
  39. Future of Good Coffee Threatened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...The US has nothing to fear, then.

  40. Re:coffee by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 1

    Yes it is. It maximizes Gross National Happiness.

  41. Just had a cup from the office vending machine by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    ... and now I know that I won't be effected.

  42. Good coffee is similar to unicorns by jargonburn · · Score: 0

    in that neither one exists. But I suppose good coffee is in the taste buds of the imbiber.

  43. But what about the tea? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    It's fine right? God please let the tea be okay.

    --
    Wanna buy a shirt?
    https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
  44. Mesopotamia by marcovje · · Score: 0

    I'm sure in the Mesopotamian Gazette of 5000BC they said the same thing about corn :-) The question is what they likened it too. Weeds?

    1. Re:Mesopotamia by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      no corn in the old world.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  45. Shoes for industry! by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

    Yes, dear friends, soon heavy industry will make it possible for everyone to have their own coffee!

    Monsanto wouldn't have it any other way.

    --
    Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
  46. Drumroll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there was a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror, then had headaches.

  47. Pun intended? by PetiePooo · · Score: 1

    "Regional production fell by 15 percent last year, putting nearly 400,000 people out of work, and that’s just a taste of what’s to come"

    Ha, ha, ha! Nice one!

  48. Fringe had it right by Skythe · · Score: 1

    No coffee in the alternate universe, universe full of very angry people. Coincidence?

  49. GMO plants, huh? by intellitech · · Score: 1

    It is not so much the climate change, but the mass production from genetically manipulated plants.

    So.. blame Monsanto? ^_^

    --
    vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
  50. Brace yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy's sig is evidently the way it is on purpose and you will probably just earn an insult (as I did) for trying to help him. So let's all cheer his great cleverness, and move on.

  51. Thanks by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Great post. Shows how sheep-like people are, drinking Starbucks.
    -- a Peet's fan

    --
    I come here for the love
  52. I'm a tea drinker by rayhigh · · Score: 0

    Not a problem for me.

  53. Climate change is a scam by Andover+Chick · · Score: 2

    Global warming, redressed as climate change, is a scam perpetuated by grant seeking academics, non-profits and scientists. The reference to it in this article typifies a method of when-you-don't-know-the-reason point blame to climate change. Then at least your research grants have a chance of getting funded.

  54. CC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    caused by climate change? seriously?
    if you don't know, just blame it on climate change! its hip these days!

  55. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who cares? I do not understand the obsession with coffee so many people seem to have. Whenever I hear someone say that that they can't function in the morning until they've had their coffee, I just look at them the same way I would a heroin addict.

  56. This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why ecology needs to be a mandatory subject: a close-planted monoculture completely dependent on fertilizers. It's an extremely brittle thing. When you close-pack a field of crops, whatever can eat one plant has its next meal all around it in all directions. The growth rate is highly exponential. When you vary the plant life, the habitat exists for a variety of species that hold each other in check. Now we've got collapse and the prospect of a lot of tired, grumpy coders.

  57. Consequences by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Wait, so millions of Americans and other Westerners won't be able to caffeinate their way to sensibility every morning, and might actually consider actually getting enough sleep?

    That's CRAZY talk.

    --
    -Styopa
  58. No Fears by carrier+lost · · Score: 1

    As long as we still have caffeine.

    We still have caffeine, right?

    Right???

  59. It's those evil coffee pirates! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    They bio-engineered the disease in order to harm the global software industry by making it difficult to stay awake...

  60. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    makes me glad I don't drink hot dirty water.

  61. Mars attacks! by h8sg8s · · Score: 1

    ..and in the second year of the invasion, all Internet commerce ground to a halt - stranding most earthlings in their home-offices to starve.

    --
    Organization? You must be joking..
  62. Guvmint Shutdown by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    Since they all drink coffee, and if there are severe shortages, all functions will stop except those deemed critical.

    --
    mfwright@batnet.com
    1. Re:Guvmint Shutdown by Straumli+Perversion · · Score: 1

      If I'd known that that's all it would have taken to reduce big government down to size, I'd have engineered a coffee crisis decades ago.

  63. Coffee no great loss by cpslash · · Score: 1

    You can live without coffee. For example, stimulants are not allowed in the Paleo nutrition plan, so adherents have given up the morning cup. But, Global Warming is on the march. What's next?

  64. I have a hangnail - due to Climate change! by xtronics · · Score: 1

    Not matter what potentially bad thing happens, it is attributed to climate change. Makes me think the whole AGW/climate-change bit is PC BS.

    When every one is buying the same thing, it must be a bubble..

  65. Arabica bean price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arabica bean prices are presently close to a 5 year low. If you believe this blight will raise the price of coffee, you may want to consider investing in the stock ticker "JO", which tracks the price of Arabica beans.

  66. The DIY Approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grow your own coffee, indoors with fluorescent or LED grow lights. Fluorescent is cheaper in the short-term, which is a good way to start. Figure out how to grow the finest quality coffee beans, roast them, and have unusual bragging rights that hardly anyone will believe without seeing pictures.

    Probably, step four or five is being investigated by the DEA. But if you grow enough 'coffee' to get noticed by them, then perhaps you are smoking something :)

  67. Happy Gilmore! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    You eat pieces of shit like him for breakfast!

  68. No Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you drink Charbucks. They can just subsitute coal tar and there really won't be much of a difference.

    Big problem if you like something else.

  69. so we will still have plenty of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bad coffee?