I think that it is more accurate to say that OOo is good enough for the developers, and that the fact that it isn't good enough for us is irrelevant. It snaps to where the developers what it to snap, but who cares about us?
What you say about indents is true about Draw as well. You can move a Bezier point [or whatever it is called] from "here" to "there" and back again...oops, no you can't. You can only try, because it will snap to yet another point. It's rediculous.
There was an explanation of why it was unsatisfactory. He said that the software doesn't play well together. Whether it is true, and whether we agree to it or not, is a different issue.
1 thing that I don't like about OOo is that it is bloated. I don't want to upgrade my computer just to use new versions, and just to have access to OOo documents.
I doubt that it makes drawings more efficiently that Microsoft products. I really doubt it. Are there experts who could comment on this? I've really struggled to make decent images with OOo.
Actually, their "explosive scientists" are probably the only people who don't get consumed with such experiments. They live to fight another day. Their "interns", however...
Both sides do it--look at pro-life groups versus pro-choice groups. The conflict is anti-abortion versus pro-abortion, but each side adopted doublespeak to spin their label into a more positive one and distract the issue so that instead of debating abortion, you're debating "choice" or "life," and if you oppose one of those positions then you must clearly be opposed to having choices or saving lives. It's bullshit doublespeak.
It is, but not completely; mostly, not completely.
"choice" and "life" encompass more than just abortion. They encompass suicide and abortion, and probably a few minor side issues.
The reason that I say this is to suggest that you come up with clearer & purer examples. In fact, "undocumented foo", as you suggested above is an excellent example. In fact, you could take it a step further, and come up with more vocabulary: independent casual bankers; culturally unique bankers; Halloween styled banking; etc.
It might even be more useful to go into the HowTos of coming up with new jargon. This way, we could start tackling some of the more complex issues.
Do you use "he/she" or "they" for the third person singular? Why or why not? Those kinds of questions.
In short, I completely agree with you, but those last 2 examples weren't the best in my opinion.
I agree that smoking could get a bad rap for joint pain. It wouldn't have been my first guess for the source of the problem.
I think that you and I are on the same page, but are coming from different perspectives. I don't want to sit there and monitor what everybody inhales, but I think that it's unfair to use a socialist health care system, and not take care of one's body. Yeah, it's just a few years off of a man's life, but it's also the suffering up till that day. It's also the tax dollars, which I have to earn. It's also the social ramifications. Treating our lives so casually as if it's all a numbers game is bad. From your post, I think that you agree.
Regarding what you say, I totally agree. I went in to a walk-in clinic once. If you don't have those in your neighbourhood, then I'd like to point out, that it's like a fast-food joint, in that you don't necessarily see the same doctor each time, and you don't have to make an appointment. They keep good records, though. I think that the idea is that the patient is getting access to a medical consultant.
I got a doctor to look at a skin problem on my inner thigh. There was a scabby type of growth, that just seemed to grow wider and wider. She just took a look at it and offered a prescrition medicine. That kind of scared me because she didn't even scrape it or touch it. How could she know just by looking? I guess that the point that I'm trying to get at is that the doctor didn't appear to have any problem solving skills.
I also believe that our bodies are black boxes. If we can take Asprin, and have it work in the entire body, then it's not much of a stretch to assume that toxic chemicals in cigs can hurt shoulders and lungs. It's a stretch, but not much.
That beind said, I think that overall, in western society, we worry too much about every little detail [e.g. "Don't eat too many apples per day, because you might get toe cancer!"], and not enough about the big picture [i.e. exercise, get out of the chair more often, moderation], and I think that doctors need to problem solve with their patients more.
If these old people don't care about living longer, then why bother seeing a doctor? Isn't the reason because they want to have help with their other problems? It isn't all about life span. I assume that smoking causes problems in the here and now as well.
That reminds me of my Kubuntu experience. Every time I want to upgrade, there is always something that doesn't work. This is true for flash and mplayer. I'm honestly surprised that both aren't installed automatically. How else do they expect us to use YouTube?
I find it so surprising that I can use an application in 1 version of a distribution, but a new version of another distribution seems to have no knowledge of its existance.
Even surfing to forums don't produce any meaningful information. They always seem to have some foreign language like this.
"All you have to do is check for adsfklhjasdfljk.lib in your library path, or make a sym link for it. Be wary of hard links with different names that must be deleted. Also bear in mind that you must have 2 versions glib/glibc to execute compilation but not run. If you don't then adept misinterprets, and uninstalls both. Good luck!"
"Okay, I tried it. Now I can't get past grub."
"Okay. Try reinstalling Kubuntu. At least you don't have vendor lock-in. Good luck!"
It's not like I'm a newbie. I've been using Linux since RH 6.0. At this stage in the game, it should be totally automatic for a basic workstation, while allowing a user to partition a disk, if he chooses. Everything else should be installed automatically, and then configured after installation.
I live in Canada. I don't want to spend my entire life telling you that I want a US keyboard layout, and English as my langauge of choice.
You make very good points about the economics, and I agree with you about the masses lowering the cost. I'm trying to say that the technological illiterate could have used WYSIWYG editors to make PDF-based pages. The PDF pages would have been huge, but the PDF pages would have fit well with the skill levels and desires of the users. Instead of linking from HTML page to HTML page, they would link from PDF to PDF. I just wished that we could have 1 technology for those who insist on layout based design, and those who value correct markup based design. Do you still disagree with me?
If you got a speeding ticket, and the judge said, "I must admit that I still don't know what a car is...", then you would be okay with that? I wouldn't expect him to give a technical definition of anything outside of law, but I expect him to know what things are in general. Some things are so commonly known by people, that not knowing generally what they are means that the person is out of touch with society and can't decide on what is right.
On the other hand, the fact that those early versions of Mosaic, Netscape, IE, etc. would do something with broken code instead of refusing to display it meant that the barriers to entry were a lot lower. It vastly increased the pool of people who could create web pages, and the talent pool.
That's part of the problem, not a benefit of the choice we made. We have PDF and HTML. Both do 2 different jobs poorly. Firms don't hire Aunt Tilley to drag and drop a brochure. Why do they insist on dragging and dropping a web site? It's absurd. Lowering the bar doesn't improve the pool. Do you drag and drop you way to a better Linux kernel?
A raised bar doesn't automatically equal programmers making web sites. A quality web site is made by a technical person who understands text and design.
I was intending to be humourous with my comment. Were you kidding around too? Were you just trying to emphasize that CSS is good? I agree that CSS is good.
I agree with you. I think that it is time for auto manufacturers to start placing precise measuring tools in the car, that indicate how much gas is consumed. People want to conserve gas. So, put them in.
8 months seems pretty new to me. I notice that many of our discussions seem to focus on 1984. Wake up people! A lot has happened since then, and now it's a brave new world.
I don't understand. Are you saying that you closed your eyes to make your PHB disappear, and it worked? Or are you saying that your PHB closed his eyes every time you had a good idea, and you stopped talking about it?
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I think that it is more accurate to say that OOo is good enough for the developers, and that the fact that it isn't good enough for us is irrelevant. It snaps to where the developers what it to snap, but who cares about us?
What you say about indents is true about Draw as well. You can move a Bezier point [or whatever it is called] from "here" to "there" and back again...oops, no you can't. You can only try, because it will snap to yet another point. It's rediculous.
Can somebody verify what I just said?
There was an explanation of why it was unsatisfactory. He said that the software doesn't play well together. Whether it is true, and whether we agree to it or not, is a different issue.
1 thing that I don't like about OOo is that it is bloated. I don't want to upgrade my computer just to use new versions, and just to have access to OOo documents.
I doubt that it makes drawings more efficiently that Microsoft products. I really doubt it. Are there experts who could comment on this? I've really struggled to make decent images with OOo.
Actually, their "explosive scientists" are probably the only people who don't get consumed with such experiments. They live to fight another day. Their "interns", however...
He's throwing as fast as he can. Cut him some slack. ;^)
Thanks for clarifying. That more sense now.
"choice" and "life" encompass more than just abortion. They encompass suicide and abortion, and probably a few minor side issues.
The reason that I say this is to suggest that you come up with clearer & purer examples. In fact, "undocumented foo", as you suggested above is an excellent example. In fact, you could take it a step further, and come up with more vocabulary: independent casual bankers; culturally unique bankers; Halloween styled banking; etc.
It might even be more useful to go into the HowTos of coming up with new jargon. This way, we could start tackling some of the more complex issues.
Do you use "he/she" or "they" for the third person singular? Why or why not? Those kinds of questions.
In short, I completely agree with you, but those last 2 examples weren't the best in my opinion.
Why can't they just tax those things seperately?
You're in a wheel chair?? ...sorry. I didn't know that. Sorry for being so judgemental. What were you saying?
It's easy. Most of the hard work is already done already.
I agree that smoking could get a bad rap for joint pain. It wouldn't have been my first guess for the source of the problem.
I think that you and I are on the same page, but are coming from different perspectives. I don't want to sit there and monitor what everybody inhales, but I think that it's unfair to use a socialist health care system, and not take care of one's body. Yeah, it's just a few years off of a man's life, but it's also the suffering up till that day. It's also the tax dollars, which I have to earn. It's also the social ramifications. Treating our lives so casually as if it's all a numbers game is bad. From your post, I think that you agree.
Regarding what you say, I totally agree. I went in to a walk-in clinic once. If you don't have those in your neighbourhood, then I'd like to point out, that it's like a fast-food joint, in that you don't necessarily see the same doctor each time, and you don't have to make an appointment. They keep good records, though. I think that the idea is that the patient is getting access to a medical consultant.
I got a doctor to look at a skin problem on my inner thigh. There was a scabby type of growth, that just seemed to grow wider and wider. She just took a look at it and offered a prescrition medicine. That kind of scared me because she didn't even scrape it or touch it. How could she know just by looking? I guess that the point that I'm trying to get at is that the doctor didn't appear to have any problem solving skills.
I also believe that our bodies are black boxes. If we can take Asprin, and have it work in the entire body, then it's not much of a stretch to assume that toxic chemicals in cigs can hurt shoulders and lungs. It's a stretch, but not much.
That beind said, I think that overall, in western society, we worry too much about every little detail [e.g. "Don't eat too many apples per day, because you might get toe cancer!"], and not enough about the big picture [i.e. exercise, get out of the chair more often, moderation], and I think that doctors need to problem solve with their patients more.
Do you think that we are on the same page?
Hi.
Thanks for clarifying on the patent & legal issues. I think that it must have been said a million times. It's been so long that I forgot about it.
If these old people don't care about living longer, then why bother seeing a doctor? Isn't the reason because they want to have help with their other problems? It isn't all about life span. I assume that smoking causes problems in the here and now as well.
That reminds me of my Kubuntu experience. Every time I want to upgrade, there is always something that doesn't work. This is true for flash and mplayer. I'm honestly surprised that both aren't installed automatically. How else do they expect us to use YouTube?
I find it so surprising that I can use an application in 1 version of a distribution, but a new version of another distribution seems to have no knowledge of its existance.
Even surfing to forums don't produce any meaningful information. They always seem to have some foreign language like this.
"All you have to do is check for adsfklhjasdfljk.lib in your library path, or make a sym link for it. Be wary of hard links with different names that must be deleted. Also bear in mind that you must have 2 versions glib/glibc to execute compilation but not run. If you don't then adept misinterprets, and uninstalls both. Good luck!"
"Okay, I tried it. Now I can't get past grub."
"Okay. Try reinstalling Kubuntu. At least you don't have vendor lock-in. Good luck!"
It's not like I'm a newbie. I've been using Linux since RH 6.0. At this stage in the game, it should be totally automatic for a basic workstation, while allowing a user to partition a disk, if he chooses. Everything else should be installed automatically, and then configured after installation.
I live in Canada. I don't want to spend my entire life telling you that I want a US keyboard layout, and English as my langauge of choice.
Mod parent up.
She is a coding savant. I met her. Must he specify every single private detail??
;^P
Insensitive clod.
Thanks for the update.
But how could he judge you, if doesn't know that a car could go over a speed limit, or that a gun could kill?
You make very good points about the economics, and I agree with you about the masses lowering the cost. I'm trying to say that the technological illiterate could have used WYSIWYG editors to make PDF-based pages. The PDF pages would have been huge, but the PDF pages would have fit well with the skill levels and desires of the users. Instead of linking from HTML page to HTML page, they would link from PDF to PDF. I just wished that we could have 1 technology for those who insist on layout based design, and those who value correct markup based design. Do you still disagree with me?
If you got a speeding ticket, and the judge said, "I must admit that I still don't know what a car is...", then you would be okay with that? I wouldn't expect him to give a technical definition of anything outside of law, but I expect him to know what things are in general. Some things are so commonly known by people, that not knowing generally what they are means that the person is out of touch with society and can't decide on what is right.
A raised bar doesn't automatically equal programmers making web sites. A quality web site is made by a technical person who understands text and design.
I was intending to be humourous with my comment. Were you kidding around too? Were you just trying to emphasize that CSS is good? I agree that CSS is good.
I agree with you. I think that it is time for auto manufacturers to start placing precise measuring tools in the car, that indicate how much gas is consumed. People want to conserve gas. So, put them in.
8 months seems pretty new to me. I notice that many of our discussions seem to focus on 1984. Wake up people! A lot has happened since then, and now it's a brave new world.
I don't understand. Are you saying that you closed your eyes to make your PHB disappear, and it worked? Or are you saying that your PHB closed his eyes every time you had a good idea, and you stopped talking about it?