I agree with you, sort of. I'd be glad to have vim in my browser window. However, I think that the solution is to let people customize what they get by being able to select a text editor. Perhaps they only need to create a soft link or short cut to their favourite editor.
If you can stand it, add "noatime" to/etc/fstab for your Linux partitions. You will always have 'new mail' mail instead of just 'mail', but if things are just reading from the drive, the drive can actually spin down instead of having to write just to say what it read.
I don't understand this. Do you mean that the average user out there could/should use noatime? I looked @ the man page, & it seems that it would speed up the computer. What is this about mail, that you mention?
I feel ashamed for not having thought about it myself; it makes me think that after all I'm not "creative" as I thought...
Yeah, but what were you doing in that time? If you were busy contributing to other open source projects or trying to further yourself in other ways, then you would have productive in that manner. Even if everybody shut down @ night & booted in the morning, there still wouldn't be much time lost, because they have to take off their coats, get coffee, check for messages, etc. My Pentium Classic boots up to the prompt in less than a minute, yet there is never any wasted time that way.
So, the fact that you may not have thought of it yourself might be a sign that you are productive in other areas of your life.
On an unrelated note, I think that OS designers/creators should spend more time documenting the advantages of certain features. On my Gentoo system, for quite some time now, I've watched the boot process say something about mounting network drives. I wanted to take it off, but I was hestitant to do it. I finally tried it, & it turns out that it never made a difference either way, so it was better to leave it off. If there were some comments in the script about what typical network drives it was trying to load, then it would be more helpful to folks like me. It would have been good to say something like, "If your computer is the only 1 on the local network, then you don't need this. It's for NFS, Samba shares, etc.". Not many people will understand that, but some of us will, & it will help a little.
Actually, yes, it does. I appreciate your explanation. I understand you to be saying that the amount of memory involved won't slow the computer down & that it's the actual work [in this case, allocating & copying, etc.], that slows it down.
I'll certainly try to use these principles, if I do any C [or other low level] programming.
I must ask, though, is there ever a situation where we would really need to do it the slow way? I honestly can't think of any off-hand. I figure that even with an XT, where you'll only have 640KB @ the most, & barely any swap, you still wouldn't want to slow the computer down.
...knowing how memory allocation and character string structures work helps make string generation faster in code. If you didn't know any better, you might concatenate a string one character at a time not realizing the incredible inefficiency you have just caused.
Hi.
I understand what you were saying in the main point of your comment, & I agree with you. This blockquote caught my attention, however. Would you explain to me [a layman] why it is so inefficient, please? I've some basic-intermediate programming skills in C.
He should also see if they would be willing to pay him to web master it. They would have to get someone to do the job no matter what. Since he is only doing this for fun, he shouldn't have to many problems with prices.
Hi, just wanted to say thanks for trying to answer my question.
You're welcome.
I know that many american christians are a bit nutty about not saying "hell" and "Damn" so thought it was like that.
That's good thinking. That perspective never occurred to me. I don't have a problem saying those words, when using their actual meaning. I don't like to use them as swear words, or diluted equivalents. Censoring out a few letters every now & then doesn't help either because it's obvious that it is covering up a certain word. When it isn't obvious, then the reader is almost inclined to figure out what it is covering. Thus, we may as well use the actual word, or just not say anything @ all.
Can someone answer me something, why blank out letters from god or jehovah etc..
I don't get it. Always wondered, I noticed its mainly americans that do it so is it some kind of christian fundamentalist thing?
I think that it has something to do with Judaism. I know that they consider those words so important, that they try to be respectful by not spelling it out completely. I'll let them speak for themselves.
All I know is that it isn't a Christian fundementalist thing. I am a Christian fundementalist. But then again, I'm from Canada, & we tend to do things differently. When I 1st saw the blanking out of the vowels, I was harshly offended, because I thought this guy was trying to be politically correct.
Most of the packaged solutions are either unattractively expensive (if commercial) or unattractively difficult to manage (if open source). The open source solutions tend to be extremely bad at integrating inbound mail management with outbound mail management. We developed a database-backed e-mail store and integrated it with postfix (front end) and uw-imap (back end) as it was easier to write the code for that than work out how to deploy the stuff out of the box with "virtual" users. Outsource it and forget it (Tucows has a really cheap solution...)
Thanks for the advice. I tried to talk the boss out of it, based on what the others have said. However, he is really determined to try this because we think that we can make money @ this by offering the service to our customers.
I took a quick skim though the HOWTO, & it looks like it answers my questions. I really appreciate your help. You've saved me work in more ways than you may have suspected. I was planning on writing up a web page on what I learned & where I am @. With that HOWTO, I'll probably only need to write a couple hundred words, & just link to his web page.
To top it off, I'm kind of stuck now. I've installed some stuff, & got most of it working, but it's just a matter of getting courier working. This HOWTO will probably help me finish everything off.
Outlook Express has outstanding IMAP support. No, I'm not kidding and yes, I know this is/.
Fair enough. You did catch me by surprise, though.:^)
But I can't find another win mail client that works better for a large IMAP mailbox.
Okay, what have you tried? Have you tried a Windows version of Mutt? I'm not trying to challenge your opinions & facts. I'm trying to establish a context.
Well, I want to get started as soon as possible, so I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go with Gentoo until further notice. It's what I know best.
I suggest you at least install debian on a box and play with it for a bit before making your decision though.
However, I don't want to close all of my options. I might play around with it later as you suggest, to do a comparrison with Gentoo. Debian has all these security features, & Gentoo has all this security documentation, so we'll see. It's all a matter of time. Oddly enough, I just found out that I happen to have an abundance of it.
I was talking about your user account information... you know.. usernames.. passwords.. email address etc.
Oops. Thanks. I don't know why, but I was thinking about IMAP, not LDAP. Anyways, I appreciate you spelling out what LDAP was. I didn't really know what that was either.
Here is the mix you want... though you didn't say how your user info is stored.. so I'll assume ldap.
I'm not sure that I understand your comment. Right now, we are using POP3. Eventually, we'd like to go to IMAP. Since we are learning everything right now, we may as well. @ least, that is what I figure.
Cyrus is a very good IMAP server, but if you use it,
you must keep up on the mailing list, and start by reading the recent archives -- the documentation is not enough. Also, the O'Reilly "Managing IMAP" book is fine, but it covers a very old and different Cyrus version.
Thanks for the warning.
Maybe I should have asked when I submitted the story, what is the most common? In other words, when companies/organizations/universites/etc. offer IMAP services, which server software do most of them use?
Maybe I should also ask, how knowledgable are they? After all, if they aren't knowledgable, & they choose such-n-such software, then maybe that isn't wise.
From what I've seen, the absolute best, if time & money are abundant, is Cyrus. Unfortunately, time & money isn't abundant.
eugene ts wong : if you decide to go with Cyrus anyway, you can hire me. I am not cheap, but I am affordable. (and I feel like a hooker now hehe:)
Hi Etyenne.
Thanks for the offer. I'll have to go through this/. discussion again, & make a list of all the people who have offered. I'll be sure to add you to the list.
I also would like make a web page to help people to decide what to do, without having to read all 190+ comments. If I manage to do that, I'll add you & the others to the page.
You asked for opinions and experiences, and when finally provided with detailed information from someone who is heavily experienced in the matter, you tip your hat saying that you are going with this other one that you had planned to use all along.
You can't provide any technical or experienced based reason why you have made your choice despite being contrary to that of the professional's recopmmendations. Instead you respond with an emotional and false response of easier setup. YOU ARE AN IDIOT and you deserve all of the problems that you are about to bring on to yourself.
I never said that I planned to use anything all along, as you say.
I don't have to provide any technical or experienced based reason for why I believe that Courier is easier to set up. I'm not experienced. So there is no reason for my to even try. Everybody here says nothing regarding ease of setting up or they say that Courier is easier. It's not as if I had an opinion when submitting the story. I made my opinion along the way, as I read what everybody had to say. Also, I did say that I would try to also set up Cyrus.
In case you failed to read his post he said, quite clearly, that Cyrus is faster, more reliable, more scalable and easier to administer than Courier. So you choose Courier. Good choice, Assshat.
Yes, he did say that Cyrus is faster, more reliable, more scalable, & easier to administer than Courier, but he never said that it is easier to set up. There's a difference.
I've read all of the 160 comments @ the time of writing, so don't even go there.
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I find it sad that nobody has modded you up yet.
I agree with you, sort of. I'd be glad to have vim in my browser window. However, I think that the solution is to let people customize what they get by being able to select a text editor. Perhaps they only need to create a soft link or short cut to their favourite editor.
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So, the fact that you may not have thought of it yourself might be a sign that you are productive in other areas of your life.
On an unrelated note, I think that OS designers/creators should spend more time documenting the advantages of certain features. On my Gentoo system, for quite some time now, I've watched the boot process say something about mounting network drives. I wanted to take it off, but I was hestitant to do it. I finally tried it, & it turns out that it never made a difference either way, so it was better to leave it off. If there were some comments in the script about what typical network drives it was trying to load, then it would be more helpful to folks like me. It would have been good to say something like, "If your computer is the only 1 on the local network, then you don't need this. It's for NFS, Samba shares, etc.". Not many people will understand that, but some of us will, & it will help a little.
I'll certainly try to use these principles, if I do any C [or other low level] programming.
I must ask, though, is there ever a situation where we would really need to do it the slow way? I honestly can't think of any off-hand. I figure that even with an XT, where you'll only have 640KB @ the most, & barely any swap, you still wouldn't want to slow the computer down.
In other news, Satan moved from Hell to Canada.
When asked why, he stated, "I wanted to move to a warmer climate.".
I understand what you were saying in the main point of your comment, & I agree with you. This blockquote caught my attention, however. Would you explain to me [a layman] why it is so inefficient, please? I've some basic-intermediate programming skills in C.
For the life of me, I couldn't figure it out. I actually gave up wondering.
He should also see if they would be willing to pay him to web master it. They would have to get someone to do the job no matter what. Since he is only doing this for fun, he shouldn't have to many problems with prices.
I ask because I'm wondering what alternatives are out there. Will I have to recompile some of the apps if I switch?
All I know is that it isn't a Christian fundementalist thing. I am a Christian fundementalist. But then again, I'm from Canada, & we tend to do things differently. When I 1st saw the blanking out of the vowels, I was harshly offended, because I thought this guy was trying to be politically correct.
I took a quick skim though the HOWTO, & it looks like it answers my questions. I really appreciate your help. You've saved me work in more ways than you may have suspected. I was planning on writing up a web page on what I learned & where I am @. With that HOWTO, I'll probably only need to write a couple hundred words, & just link to his web page.
To top it off, I'm kind of stuck now. I've installed some stuff, & got most of it working, but it's just a matter of getting courier working. This HOWTO will probably help me finish everything off.
Thanks for your time & concern.
However, I don't want to close all of my options. I might play around with it later as you suggest, to do a comparrison with Gentoo. Debian has all these security features, & Gentoo has all this security documentation, so we'll see. It's all a matter of time. Oddly enough, I just found out that I happen to have an abundance of it.
Thanks for your time!
Maybe I should have asked when I submitted the story, what is the most common? In other words, when companies/organizations/universites/etc. offer IMAP services, which server software do most of them use?
Maybe I should also ask, how knowledgable are they? After all, if they aren't knowledgable, & they choose such-n-such software, then maybe that isn't wise.
From what I've seen, the absolute best, if time & money are abundant, is Cyrus. Unfortunately, time & money isn't abundant.
Comments? Questions?
Thanks for the offer. I'll have to go through this
I also would like make a web page to help people to decide what to do, without having to read all 190+ comments. If I manage to do that, I'll add you & the others to the page.
I don't have to provide any technical or experienced based reason for why I believe that Courier is easier to set up. I'm not experienced. So there is no reason for my to even try. Everybody here says nothing regarding ease of setting up or they say that Courier is easier. It's not as if I had an opinion when submitting the story. I made my opinion along the way, as I read what everybody had to say. Also, I did say that I would try to also set up Cyrus.Yes, he did say that Cyrus is faster, more reliable, more scalable, & easier to administer than Courier, but he never said that it is easier to set up. There's a difference.
I've read all of the 160 comments @ the time of writing, so don't even go there.
Thanks! I really appreciate knowing about it.