So how long before movies and mobile applications bought on iTunes Store will be DRM-free? Oh wait: the estate of Steve Jobs is the biggest shareholder of both Apple and Disney.
i thought the reframe was that people wanted DRM free media to "use their media anyway they want to and on any device". What other device besides an iOS device could apps be used on and how does it hurt the consumer? How does DRM on apps prevent you from doing anything you want to with it besides illegally distribute it?
More or less, but it's been that way for ages. I remember Apple using that as a way of damaging competing brands of MP3 player. They would have tons of DRMed ITMS exclusives that couldn't be played on other players without degrading the sound quality. All because Apple refused to license its DRM to competitors and wasn't willing to license MS' DRM.
And instead of licensing their DRM, they encouraged the music industry to allow all music to be sold DRM free.
The third alternative is to abolish DRMs entirely. Imagine a world where every online store sells DRM-free music encoded in open licensable formats. In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers, and Apple would embrace it in a heartbeat. If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music.
Why would the big four music companies agree to let Apple and others distribute their music without using DRM systems to protect it? The simplest answer is because DRMs havenâ(TM)t worked, and may never work, to halt music piracy. Though the big four music companies require that all their music sold online be protected with DRMs, these same music companies continue to sell billions of CDs a year which contain completely unprotected music. Thatâ(TM)s right! No DRM system was ever developed for the CD, so all the music distributed on CDs can be easily uploaded to the Internet, then (illegally) downloaded and played on any computer or player.
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"Apple iPhones and iPads, have not been able to view media coded for Flash on their mobile gadgets" - Occupy Flash
Who's fault is that? Adobe's? No, it was a greedy Steve Jobs with a personal vendetta to kill a company that kept Apple alive for nigh a decade. But finally when Apple was around 5% market share decided to release it's next product version for Windows first. For this blatant sin Steve Jobs has waged a war against Adobe and sought it's death.
I can play SD resolution H.264 video on a first generation iPod Touch (400Mhz 128KB of RAM). Hell even a video iPod from 2005 can play an SD video (dual 80Mhz). How well does Flash play video on low end devices?
Is it Apple's fault that Flash was late for Android, the Xoom, Palm, BlackBerry and every other mobile platform? Why would anyone depend on Adobe?
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And is there nobody here that can think for themselves anymore? Why has NOBODY here asked themselves "Who is pushing this? who will gain from it?" and the answer is....drumroll....Apple and MSFT! By pushing a heavily patented spec like H.264 as the video "standard" they will be able to further lock down the web.
As opposed to a closed source plug in? Where is the spec for the Flash run time?
And guess which codec Flash video usually uses?
What you will see is the MPAA come up with a truly horrible DRM for H.264 to protect their content, Apple and MSFT will embrace it, FOSS will be fucked.
For instance, this last October it project yed it was going to sell 22 million iPhones, and it only sold 17 milllion. In any case, everybody publishes their sales figures to their investors. It's just that most of us don't care about last October Sales figures, we care about future sales (or at least current sales), and that kind of information is hard-to-come by if we need it to be reliable.
Apple didn't miss their estimates. It missed analysts estimates. For the past four years, iPhone volumes have always been down a quarter before a new phone.
The iPhone user has to wait 'til they get home, plug in and then wait an extra 15 minutes for the download. But updates for all phones are available at the same time. With an iPhone when I read about a new update available I know it'll be there once I get home.
Once you upgrade to iOS 5. You connect to a WI-Fi hotspot click on Settings->General->Software Update and updates are done over the air without waiting on the carrier.
Updates are only a "bonus" for Android phones. Every WM7 phone produced will get the latest upgrade -- without depending on the carrier or the manufacturer.
Every iPhone 4, 3GS, and iPad were upgradeable to iOS 5 -- without depending on the carrier.
The Nexus -- sold by the OS manufacturer -- won't be upgradeable.
1. Build the entire computer. Microsoft licensed their product and achieved a place at the heart of the emergent ecosystem. Apple lost.
If you mean by "lost" making money hand over fist... Hint: The company with the largest market share in computers is trying to get out of the computer business....not Apple. Businesses "win" based on profitability not market share.
2. Build the entire phone. Android licensed their product and is achieving a place at the heart of the emergent ecosystem. Apple is losing.
Again, if you mean by "losing", capturing 66% of all mobile phobe profit worldwide. Then yes Apple is "losing".
And before you come up with the usual Slashdot retort of why am I bragging about "overpaying" for an iPhone, I paid the same $200 for a $700 phone that an Android user paid for a $500 phone and my monthly bill is the same. Why should I care that the carrier had to pay a larger subsidy to Apple?
Laying off thousands of people, cutting hundreds of product lines to focus on three main products which are beginning to stagnate is hardly 'innovative'.
This actually did amuse me. Apparently tapping icons on a phone screen isn't a natural progression from clicking icons on a computer screen, which as you point out Apple didn't come up with in the first place. It's something new and unique and magical that only they could have worked out, so now anybody else that does it has stolen their ideas.
How much did all that cost you again? How much does it cost you a month?
My iPhone 4GS costs $200 -- the same price as the equivalent Android phone at the time. Why should I care if the carrier paid a higher subsidy to Apple?
My iPod Touch was $285. How much is an equivalent Android device?
My 64GB iPad was $499. I bought it from Verizon after the iPad 2 was released.
My monthly service plan is the same price as an Android user pays on the same carrier.
Solution: don't buy a phone if you aren't happy with its features. What's so hard about that? Not all iPhones run the latest iOS well - if they are allowed to install it at all.
An iPhone 3GS bought in June 2009 can be updated to the latest OS. How many Android phones sold in June 2009 can be updated to ICS?
An iPad bought in April 2010 can be updated to the latest OS. How many Android tablets will be updated to ICS?
In fact, I updated an iPhone 4, a 4th gen iPod Touch and a 1st gen iPad the day iOS 5 was released. How many Android users will be able to upgrade to ICS today?
Unlike with a Windows phone where you can... still do nothing about that. If a hardware vendor wont update the software the way you like it, you dont buy from them again. Which OS they refuse to update has little to do with it.
Microsoft controls phone updates. All current Windows phones can be updated to the latest OS.
"Currently, Microsoft owns about 0.0046% of Apple through a Private Capital Management fund and Apple owns about 0.39% of itself the same way so whether Microsoft ever held any power in the company is questionable at best."
Apple are resting on their laurels. They've done good and have come out of nowhere to dominate the market... but Android is still outselling them. Wow. 4 million iPhone 4S sold.. who's willing to bet that will be a significant number of the total sales?
Yes, because a profit seeking entity making 66% of all mobile phone profit worldwide is "failing".
Just so I can avoid the other usual retort about "why would fanbois be proud of the fact that they are spending more on iPhones than Android phones". In the U.S., I pay $200 for a $699 iPhone. An Android user pays $200 for a $500 phone. I don't care that the carrier pays a larger subsidy to Apple. My bill is the same every month,
No. Maybe in smartphones, but they are a minority of the market. There is a whole world beyond the 1st world and nobody there can afford a smartphone yet. It is a volume business but there is a lot of profit there in churning out cheap phones by the container.
There is not much profit in $30 phones -- ask Nokia
And who the fsck cares about profits unless you are an Apple shareholder,
The claim was that Apple was "losing". How is a profit seeking entity losing when it makes 2 out of every $3 in the industry?
units moved are what counts for everyone else. Developers don't give a crap how much Apple is making, they want to know how many potential customers they have to justify developing for the platform to judge how much THEY stand to make.
Developers care about the people who are willing to buy stuff. The Apple app store generates over 17x the revenue of the Android app market.
Most users don't really care how much Apple is making in profit except if they learn Apple makes 50 juicy points it might piss some off while some fanboys like yourself seem to get off on how hard Apple is screwing you.
Well it doesn't matter what "most users care about". A statement was made, I refuted it with facts.
I paid $200 for a $700 iPhone 4 under contract. A high-end Android user paid the same $200 for a $450 phone. We are both paying the same monthly bill. Why do I care that the carrier paid a higher subsidy to Apple than the Android manufacturer?
And in volume of Smartphones Apple is at 18% and falling fast into their 5-10% market niche they have stayed within on the desktop since the 1980s.
If by falling fast, you mean holding steady....
Google just announce 190 Million Android devices sold during their quarterly report today. Apple just announced 220 million iOS devices sold during the iPhone 4S launch.
Give it another year and they will probably be falling fast in tablets until they hit boutique luxury good territory. Because that is what Apple is, a premium brand experience. The only reason developers still care about iOS is they (rightly it appears) assume anyone who can afford an iProduct has enough disposable income to afford to pay for lots of apps so while in absolute percentage of potential customers they may be shrinking, they rakeoff per customer is high enough to justify porting.
Didn't you just say that developers care about units sold? So which is it? Do developers care about units sold are the number of people who actually have money to buy stuff?
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i thought the reframe was that people wanted DRM free media to "use their media anyway they want to and on any device". What other device besides an iOS device could apps be used on and how does it hurt the consumer? How does DRM on apps prevent you from doing anything you want to with it besides illegally distribute it?
And instead of licensing their DRM, they encouraged the music industry to allow all music to be sold DRM free.
http://www.apple.com/de/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
I can play SD resolution H.264 video on a first generation iPod Touch (400Mhz 128KB of RAM). Hell even a video iPod from 2005 can play an SD video (dual 80Mhz). How well does Flash play video on low end devices?
Is it Apple's fault that Flash was late for Android, the Xoom, Palm, BlackBerry and every other mobile platform? Why would anyone depend on Adobe?
As opposed to a closed source plug in? Where is the spec for the Flash run time?
And guess which codec Flash video usually uses?
So Flash is open sourced and doesn't have DRM?
iTunes already allows that. If they really don't want to manage the contracts etc. CDBaby offers very reasonable terms to handle distribution.
"ABI Research Survey: 58% of iPod Owners Planning Another MP3 Player Purchase Will Consider Microsoft's Zune"
http://www.zunegy.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=ABISURV110106&Store_Code=Z
How did that turn out?
But Android users don't buy apps....
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/
They don't surf the web
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20128243-264/android-browser-bumps-opera-for-no-2-spot/?tag=mncol;txt
And even 2/3rd's of Google's mobile traffic comes from iOS devices....
http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/two-thirds-of-googles-mobile-search-traffic-comes-from-ios-devices-18718/
Not really.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/
Apple didn't miss their estimates. It missed analysts estimates. For the past four years, iPhone volumes have always been down a quarter before a new phone.
The HTC Hero is still being sold as a prepaid phone through Kroger,
Once you upgrade to iOS 5. You connect to a WI-Fi hotspot click on Settings->General->Software Update and updates are done over the air without waiting on the carrier.
Updates are a bonus, not a guarantee.
Updates are only a "bonus" for Android phones. Every WM7 phone produced will get the latest upgrade -- without depending on the carrier or the manufacturer.
Every iPhone 4, 3GS, and iPad were upgradeable to iOS 5 -- without depending on the carrier.
The Nexus -- sold by the OS manufacturer -- won't be upgradeable.
It's from Q2 of this year. Do you think that the financials changed drastically in one quarter?
If you mean by "lost" making money hand over fist... Hint: The company with the largest market share in computers is trying to get out of the computer business....not Apple. Businesses "win" based on profitability not market share.
Again, if you mean by "losing", capturing 66% of all mobile phobe profit worldwide. Then yes Apple is "losing".
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/29/apples-iphone-accounted-for-66-of-q2-smartphone-profit-among-top-vendors/
And before you come up with the usual Slashdot retort of why am I bragging about "overpaying" for an iPhone, I paid the same $200 for a $700 phone that an Android user paid for a $500 phone and my monthly bill is the same. Why should I care that the carrier had to pay a larger subsidy to Apple?
Pixar, a company run by SJ
http://www.geekosystem.com/how-pixar-bosses-saved-their-employees-from-layoffs/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/10/14/no_layoffs_at_apple_steve/
And if by "stagnate" you mean year over year growth that vastly outpaces the industry you're right....
Words Mean Things. If I paid for something at an agreed upon price, by definition I didn't steal it.
Android prototype before the iPhone....
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild
If I by "stole" you mean "paid Xerox in Apple stock".
My iPhone 4GS costs $200 -- the same price as the equivalent Android phone at the time. Why should I care if the carrier paid a higher subsidy to Apple?
My iPod Touch was $285. How much is an equivalent Android device?
My 64GB iPad was $499. I bought it from Verizon after the iPad 2 was released.
My monthly service plan is the same price as an Android user pays on the same carrier.
You really think that the majority of people who are buying Android phones care about its supposed "openness" and not:
1. It's cheap
2. It's available for their carrier
3. It has a larger screen/keyboard, etc.
An iPhone 3GS bought in June 2009 can be updated to the latest OS. How many Android phones sold in June 2009 can be updated to ICS?
An iPad bought in April 2010 can be updated to the latest OS. How many Android tablets will be updated to ICS?
In fact, I updated an iPhone 4, a 4th gen iPod Touch and a 1st gen iPad the day iOS 5 was released. How many Android users will be able to upgrade to ICS today?
Microsoft controls phone updates. All current Windows phones can be updated to the latest OS.
http://justinhartman.com/2007/11/23/microsofts-equity-in-apple/
"Currently, Microsoft owns about 0.0046% of Apple through a Private Capital Management fund and Apple owns about 0.39% of itself the same way so whether Microsoft ever held any power in the company is questionable at best."
Yes, because a profit seeking entity making 66% of all mobile phone profit worldwide is "failing".
http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/29/apple-captured-two-thirds-of-available-mobile-phone-profits-in-q2/
And before you reply with the usual slashdot retort about developers caring about market share.....
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/
Just so I can avoid the other usual retort about "why would fanbois be proud of the fact that they are spending more on iPhones than Android phones". In the U.S., I pay $200 for a $699 iPhone. An Android user pays $200 for a $500 phone. I don't care that the carrier pays a larger subsidy to Apple. My bill is the same every month,
Not smartphones, all phones....
http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/29/apple-captured-two-thirds-of-available-mobile-phone-profits-in-q2/
There is not much profit in $30 phones -- ask Nokia
The claim was that Apple was "losing". How is a profit seeking entity losing when it makes 2 out of every $3 in the industry?
units moved are what counts for everyone else. Developers don't give a crap how much Apple is making, they want to know how many potential customers they have to justify developing for the platform to judge how much THEY stand to make.
Developers care about the people who are willing to buy stuff. The Apple app store generates over 17x the revenue of the Android app market.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/
Well it doesn't matter what "most users care about". A statement was made, I refuted it with facts.
I paid $200 for a $700 iPhone 4 under contract. A high-end Android user paid the same $200 for a $450 phone. We are both paying the same monthly bill. Why do I care that the carrier paid a higher subsidy to Apple than the Android manufacturer?
If by falling fast, you mean holding steady....
Google just announce 190 Million Android devices sold during their quarterly report today. Apple just announced 220 million iOS devices sold during the iPhone 4S launch.
Didn't you just say that developers care about units sold? So which is it? Do developers care about units sold are the number of people who actually have money to buy stuff?