"From now on, companies hoping to receive early access to Google's most up-to-date software will need approval of their plans. And they will seek that approval from Andy Rubin, the head of Google's Android group."
So is it less "draconian" when that one man is Andy Rubin?
This is their only hope of competing against a platform that can and definitely will remove any app submitted that directly competes with their service.
One of the big points about Android has always been the preponderance of free apps.
Big points to Android fans...not to developers who actually pour resources and money and expect a return on their investment.
So showing that people spend more on iOS apps than they do on Android apps proves absolutely nothing about either the popularity or the value (for the consumer, not the developers)
So what value do users get in crappy apps?
of the iPhone vs Android. It also proves nothing about whether the iPhone apps are better than the Android apps or not. In a free market people vote with their dollars, or with the decision to not spend those dollars.
And major developers have overwhelmingly chosen to spend money on iOS and users have overwhelmingly decided that they value iOS apps enough to spend money....
You're not going to get very far arguing on Slashdot that something people pay money for is better inherently because money was spent on it. (Windows costs money and Linux doesn't therefore...)
And "better" is subjective. People choose to spend money on what they perceive to be better. What happened to Linux netbooks as soon as Windows XP was made available?
And i find it amusing that i stated that perhaps Apple fans would change their argument from "more apps = better product" to "better apps = better product", moving the goalposts because the first position was proven wrong (at least in terms of supporting their preferred hypothesis.)
So where did you have time to find enough straw to build that argument?
"He evaluates the Android platform every six month to judge if itâ(TM)s time to start developing for it. His conclusion to date is that, as a developer, you are just not making money on the Android platform as you do on iOS. "
"Apple will be the number one platform for a long time from a developer perspective, they have gotten so many things right......And paid content just doesnâ(TM)t work on Android."
So would you rather have a bunch of screensaver "apps" and emulators or professional produced content by companies willing and able to spend serious money?
. When that happens will the same people who were arguing that it was the number of apps that mattered switch to some other argument? (Presumably that although iOS has less apps, its apps are better?)
In a free market society, people vote with their dollars. People have voted 17 to 1 that they are more willing to pay for iOS apps than Android apps....
Is there really any reason to buy your own music? With google's video search you can find virtually any song you desire to hear. It's like being your own DJ.
Right, like I have nothing better to do than search for music videos especially while I'm driving, running, or basically doing --- anything.
Yes and if you subtract netbooks from the Windows market share since Apple doesn't sell netbooks, Apple's market share looks a lot better.
But that would be stupid wouldn't it?
Do you think when Google announces "Android Activations Per Day" (without announcing a time span) that they are leaving out WI-FI only Android devices or tablets?
is that you have to (AFAIK) buy a Mac to develop for it. I can't really fault Apple on this as it's a great business strategy, but I simply can't be bothered so I'll only make apps for Android, which doesn't require me to buy hardware.
All you have to buy is a dozen different phones to make sure your app is compatible and then enjoy on average 5% of the sales of the Apple app store....
And you actually think the majority or choosing Androids because they prefer them rather than because they dint want to switch carriers? If that were the case the iPhone wouldn't be outselling all Android devices combined on both Verizon and AT&T.
But now without carrier lock in or subsidized equipment, when people are spending their own money they are choosing iPads. There us a reason why even the 2 year old iPhone 3GS is the number two selling smart phone in the US
People compare marketshare of "MS-Windows" machines to Apple (MacOS) machines all the time. One is a huge variety of machines (MS-Windows) and the other is just a few models all from one company (Apple).
So what is there to not understand?
There are a dozen Android phones for which the hardware is superior to the iPhone. And the "environment" is basically Android for all of them, and they can almost all run almost all the same apps. So yes, it *does* make sense to lump all of the Android phones together when comparing to lumping the three models of the iPhone together.
And I don't know where you are getting your statistics, but there are already a lot more Android OS phones in use than there are iOS phones.... get your facts straigh
So you're saying that you compare operating systems.....
We saw that same shit with phones. Android came out and it was rather anemic. Only a few phones used it and they were nice, but not all that polished. So a bunch of dipshits screamed about how it was clear this would never be an iPhone competitor.
So what happens to Android sales as soon as the iPhone launches on the same carrier?
60% of smart phone sales last quarter on AT&T were iPhones -- the rest were a combination of Android, BlackBerry, and WinMo.
Motorola Mobility CEO said just the rumor of iPhone sales on Verizon were slowing down Android sales and the iPhone outsold all Android sales on Verizon combined once it launched/
Sprint's CEO has said repeatedly that they are losing post paid subscribers because they lack iPhones.
Why do you think that Verizon now has three classes of phones on their website -- iPhones, smart phones, and feature phones and stopped prominently marketing Android phones?
I think Android fans overestimate how many people actually want Android phones and not just settle for them because they don't want to change carriers.
Motorola Mobility posted first-quarter results after the close of trading late Thursday, with a net loss of $81 million, or 27 cents per share, compared to a wider loss of $212 million, or 72 cents per share, last year.
For some value of lowend. But this is a huge market, with no iTunes lock-in, so it won't look like the iPod.
Do you really think that someone who can afford an iPhone will ever seriously look at one of the cheap low end Android phones? Do you remember how all of the pundits said that Apple would get creamed by all of the cheap net books? How did that turn out?
As far as iTunes lock in, people chose to buy the iPod first to play their existing collection of music and then they bought a few songs from iTunes. According to Steve Jobs "Thoughts on Music" letter that was published in 2007, only 3% of the average iPod buyers music came from iTunes. Even now without any DRM, iTunes is still the number one music retailer in the world.
But now the "lock in" is with apps. If it hasn't already happened, Apple is predicted to sell more apps than music this year.
Because of the discount they won't be able to keep up this quarter...
They don't discount iPhone 4's but if you mean the 3GS, the unsubsidized price of the 3GS is $360. Do you really think it costs more than $360 to manufacturer at 3GS in 2011?
"The screen supports two-fingered multitouch gestures such as pinch to zoom with little noticeable lag. The built-in accelerometer isn't as responsive as we liked; we sometimes had to shake the device to get it to detect its orientation and readjust."
And it says nothing about the battery life or the actual speed of the CPU for the Viewsonic. Besides, where is all of this "useful" educational software for Android?
Android, so it is open to being modified with a "school image" to allow them to lock it down and add software they deem usefu
So you really think that the school system has the technical know-how to do that themselves?
Apple has had a central management system for iOS devices for years, mostly for corporations but schools can use it to.
Do you realize how little $60 million dollars is to a company like Apple?
The thing is that ZTE's margins will never look like Apple's, but Apple needs to decide if it's going to cede the low end to ZTE, or allow its margins to look like ZTE's
Apple *always* cedes the lowend commodity market, whether it is computers, MP3 players, tablets, or phones.
Funny how it doesn't work that way in Europe. Maybe last quarter on Verizon had something to do with pent-up demand?
BTW, last quarter on AT&T definitely had something to do with entrenchment -- they sold a lot of $0, $19, and $49 iPhones.
There is no such thing as a new iPhone that has a real cost of $49. A non-subsidize iPhone 3GS is about $350. A low end dumb phone by ZTE really is $30- $50 without subsidy.
And still 60% of AT&T's smart phones were iPhones.
My statement had to do with current sales, or sales over the last quarter, or sales over the last year/blockquote?
And every quarter that Google "announced the number of activations per day", Apple also announced the number of iPhones + iPod Touches (more than half of all iPods) + iPads and Apple's number was higher.
And as far as Huawei, they are a private conglomerate and I couldn't find quarterly profits.
"And instead of ever bothering to address my assertion that this legal fight is too late to help derail Android, you still keep harping on about profits, which, by your reckoning would seem to imply that Apple doesn't even need to worry about Android at all, because Android is for losers. Funny how Apple seems fixated on it, then."
Well, according to Motorola's CEO, it seems like all Apple has to do to derail Android is to actually allow a carrier to sell the iPhone.....
but you have to admit that apple does *not* treat it's customers well at all.
So please explain how Apple treats its customers badly but yet and still Apple has become the world's largest cell phone manufacturer (by revenue and profit) in less than four years?
Customers seem to be pretty happy with iTunes making it the largest seller of music word wide.
If customers are so upset with Apple and wanted "freedom" then why is the Apple app store outselling the Android market 17 to 1?
The problem is: you can build your own proprietary OS from BSD roots and invest a lot of money, or you can get a GPL license derivative (Android) and go with that at a much cheaper cost. Apple's now paying the price for making their deriviations of the Darwin tree more proprietary.
If by "paying the price", you mean being the worlds largest mobile manufacturer by both revenue:
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Andy Rubin
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"If Google didn't act, it faced a draconian future where one man, one phone, one carrier were our choice,"
March, 2011
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_15/b4223041200216.htm
"From now on, companies hoping to receive early access to Google's most up-to-date software will need approval of their plans. And they will seek that approval from Andy Rubin, the head of Google's Android group."
So is it less "draconian" when that one man is Andy Rubin?
http://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/27808662429
So has his definition changed or have we always been at war with Eastasia?
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Big points to Android fans...not to developers who actually pour resources and money and expect a return on their investment.
So what value do users get in crappy apps?
And major developers have overwhelmingly chosen to spend money on iOS and users have overwhelmingly decided that they value iOS apps enough to spend money....
And "better" is subjective. People choose to spend money on what they perceive to be better. What happened to Linux netbooks as soon as Windows XP was made available?
So where did you have time to find enough straw to build that argument?
John Carmack of ID Games:
http://geeksfinest.com/2011/04/23/john-carmack-interview-ios-android/
"He evaluates the Android platform every six month to judge if itâ(TM)s time to start developing for it. His conclusion to date is that, as a developer, you are just not making money on the Android platform as you do on iOS. "
Rovio (Angry Birds)
http://technmarketing.com/iphone/peter-vesterbacka-maker-of-angry-birds-talks-about-the-birds-apple-android-nokia-and-palmhp/
"Apple will be the number one platform for a long time from a developer perspective, they have gotten so many things right......And paid content just doesnâ(TM)t work on Android."
So would you rather have a bunch of screensaver "apps" and emulators or professional produced content by companies willing and able to spend serious money?
"
In a free market society, people vote with their dollars. People have voted 17 to 1 that they are more willing to pay for iOS apps than Android apps....
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/21/861-5-percent-growth-android-puny/
You do realize that all of those companies are owned by much larger parent companies don't you?
Right, like I have nothing better to do than search for music videos especially while I'm driving, running, or basically doing --- anything.
Yes and if you subtract netbooks from the Windows market share since Apple doesn't sell netbooks, Apple's market share looks a lot better.
But that would be stupid wouldn't it?
Do you think when Google announces "Android Activations Per Day" (without announcing a time span) that they are leaving out WI-FI only Android devices or tablets?
All you have to buy is a dozen different phones to make sure your app is compatible and then enjoy on average 5% of the sales of the Apple app store....
And you actually think the majority or choosing Androids because they prefer them rather than because they dint want to switch carriers? If that were the case the iPhone wouldn't be outselling all Android devices combined on both Verizon and AT&T.
But now without carrier lock in or subsidized equipment, when people are spending their own money they are choosing iPads. There us a reason why even the 2 year old iPhone 3GS is the number two selling smart phone in the US
So you're saying that you compare operating systems.....
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/4/Apple_iOS_Platform_Outreaches_Android_by_59_Percent_in_U.S
So what happens to Android sales as soon as the iPhone launches on the same carrier?
60% of smart phone sales last quarter on AT&T were iPhones -- the rest were a combination of Android, BlackBerry, and WinMo.
Motorola Mobility CEO said just the rumor of iPhone sales on Verizon were slowing down Android sales and the iPhone outsold all Android sales on Verizon combined once it launched/
Sprint's CEO has said repeatedly that they are losing post paid subscribers because they lack iPhones.
Why do you think that Verizon now has three classes of phones on their website -- iPhones, smart phones, and feature phones and stopped prominently marketing Android phones?
I think Android fans overestimate how many people actually want Android phones and not just settle for them because they don't want to change carriers.
http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/29/mobile-earnings-after-the-bell-motorola-mobility-holdings-research-in-motion-marketnewsvideo.html
Motorola Mobility posted first-quarter results after the close of trading late Thursday, with a net loss of $81 million, or 27 cents per share, compared to a wider loss of $212 million, or 72 cents per share, last year.
Right, because that's worked so well for other Android manufacturers that are extremely profitable like Motorola Mobility.....
Or you could just use the built in tools provided and supported by Apple......
Do you really think that someone who can afford an iPhone will ever seriously look at one of the cheap low end Android phones? Do you remember how all of the pundits said that Apple would get creamed by all of the cheap net books? How did that turn out?
As far as iTunes lock in, people chose to buy the iPod first to play their existing collection of music and then they bought a few songs from iTunes. According to Steve Jobs "Thoughts on Music" letter that was published in 2007, only 3% of the average iPod buyers music came from iTunes. Even now without any DRM, iTunes is still the number one music retailer in the world.
But now the "lock in" is with apps. If it hasn't already happened, Apple is predicted to sell more apps than music this year.
They don't discount iPhone 4's but if you mean the 3GS, the unsubsidized price of the 3GS is $360. Do you really think it costs more than $360 to manufacturer at 3GS in 2011?
The Tegra 2 is not as fast as the GPU in the iPad 2....
http://slumz.boxden.com/f244/ipad-2-destroys-xoom-gpu-benchmarks-1510578/
From the review:
"The screen supports two-fingered multitouch gestures such as pinch to zoom with little noticeable lag. The built-in accelerometer isn't as responsive as we liked; we sometimes had to shake the device to get it to detect its orientation and readjust."
And it says nothing about the battery life or the actual speed of the CPU for the Viewsonic. Besides, where is all of this "useful" educational software for Android?
So you really think that the school system has the technical know-how to do that themselves?
Apple has had a central management system for iOS devices for years, mostly for corporations but schools can use it to.
Do you realize how little $60 million dollars is to a company like Apple?
Apple *always* cedes the lowend commodity market, whether it is computers, MP3 players, tablets, or phones.
http://igadgetsreport.com/2011/02/22/apple-ios-dominates-european-smartphone-usage/
There is no such thing as a new iPhone that has a real cost of $49. A non-subsidize iPhone 3GS is about $350. A low end dumb phone by ZTE really is $30- $50 without subsidy.
And still 60% of AT&T's smart phones were iPhones.
Seeing that the top of the line Android phones cost the same to the customer as the top of the line iPhone.....
"You're forgetting ZTE and Huawei"
Wow $19.4 Million for ZTE.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/zte-posts-16-jump-q1-profit-bolstered-device-sales/2011-04-19
And as far as Huawei, they are a private conglomerate and I couldn't find quarterly profits.
"And instead of ever bothering to address my assertion that this legal fight is too late to help derail Android, you still keep harping on about profits, which, by your reckoning would seem to imply that Apple doesn't even need to worry about Android at all, because Android is for losers. Funny how Apple seems fixated on it, then."
Well, according to Motorola's CEO, it seems like all Apple has to do to derail Android is to actually allow a carrier to sell the iPhone.....
Or to put it in better context. HTC profit "soared" from $170 million to $511 million.
http://www.eurodroid.com/2011/04/htcs-profits-triple-thanks-to-androids-rise/
Apple's year over year profit went from
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&fstype=ii
$3.074 Billion 1st quarter 2010 to $5.987 Billion.
HTC's profit went up $337 million year over year. Apple's profit went up $2,913 million during the same time period.
The CEO of Motorola Mobility said he expects a loss because of the iPhone coming to Verizon.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-26/motorola-mobility-predicts-a-loss-this-quarter-as-competition-increases.html
So two of the big 3 big Android makers (the third being Samsung) are not doing that great.
So please explain how Apple treats its customers badly but yet and still Apple has become the world's largest cell phone manufacturer (by revenue and profit) in less than four years?
Customers seem to be pretty happy with iTunes making it the largest seller of music word wide.
If customers are so upset with Apple and wanted "freedom" then why is the Apple app store outselling the Android market 17 to 1?
http://press.ihs.com/press-release/product-design-supply-chain/apple-maintains-dominance-mobile-application-store-market-
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01/31/apple-is-still-sucking-most-of-the-profit-out-of-the-mobile-phone-business/