. . . wait 'till you see what Mailboxes, Etc. is going to want to pack that stuff! And 90 cents times $16,000 / $700 U.S. postal money order maximum = about $21:).
That happened for me when the CSC challenge wasn't over after 100% of the keyspace was searched. Turns out they were lying and handing out the same piece of the keyspace to multiple clients.
Let's not hack them out of business like we did to Net-Pliance.
Bull. Netpliance deserved what they got. If they had an acutal business model, they might have survived. Had they not whined about the eeeevil hackers, not so many people might have bought their boxes to hack up from the start. Anyhow, that business model was DOA--while Netpliance's demise is sweet, they were dead before the first box was hacked. And good riddance.
That problem can be addressed very simply by selling kilobit-hours rather than setting limits on what one does with them. If MP3's suck up too much bandwidth, then the customer pays for it or access to the information's removed until next month/quarter/whatever--but the ISP shouldn't write TOS based on content. And I really don't have a lot of sympathy for the "smallish ISP" (i.e. middleman) that can't make money overselling service--if they can't provide the service they advertise, they should not sell it, rather than complain that people that dare to actually use what they've paid for are "abusers."
Those TOS provisions should be made illegal, just as contracts on the back of theatre tickets are. If all the hosting companies pull the same crap, the "power of your money" means squat. Governments must intervene to crush this tyranny.
You are the one who is wrong, and I hope you enjoy the TV-like world the Internet is in the process of becoming when no ISP will dare host anything for fear of a lawsuit from somewhere. Kneel for your corporate masters!
Interesting thread--thanks! Nice to see that most of the prospective Network Nazis&trade work for schools and corporations, and not so many for ISP's. Decided already that if my ISP starts that crap, I can live without a connection. If I want restrictions, I'll use one of the free dialups like NetZero. At least I would get the service I'm paying for.
(n.b.: This was not a free ISP a la Geocities--it was paid hosting. Even so, Geocities and their ilk charge in a way, by serving ads over their users content--nothing's really free.)
It's attitudes just like that which are turning the Internet into glorified television. Pretty soon, the TOS's will ban everything except a cheesy home page and a few recipes.
If ISP's routinely stood up instead of caved like this, the recording industry wouldn't be so brazen. This is similar to the case in which the ISP that was threatened by the FBI about (and immediately yanked without informing the customer) the fictional Y2K video last year. IMO, that ISP deserved what they got--customers walked in droves because they caved in the absence of a court order as opposed to a goon with a badge making vague threats.
And it would be so simple if they would remember the two important words common carrier. Once they bite from the apple of censorship, ISP's become liable for everything, and rightfully so.
I guess there will always be those who sacrifice principle for "business expediency." Doesn't mean I have to like it, or give them my money.
Bullshit. They contracted to provide a service, and are in breach of that contract the second they delete the files they contracted to serve. Unfortunately, in order to get relief, the customer has to sue. What's needed here are stronger laws to level the playing field against this kind of abuse--automatic, substantial civil penalties that would make an ISP think twice before pulling this kind of crap.
. . . in the Soviet Union didn't have the best reputation. I remember reading in Byte magazine (back when it was a real magazine) in the early 1980's about a Soviet Apple ][ clone. One part that stuck in my mind more than anything was that CPU's like the 6502 and Z-80 that the Soviets made (presumably copied) came with a list of instructions that didn't work on that particular chip! Imagine a 6502 with LDA on the defect sheet--what a bummer. This may, however, explain why there is some awesome programming talent there.
So true! Reminds me of this very relevant excerpt from the PalmOS developer docs:
Speed is therefore a critical design objective for hand-held organizers and is not limited to execution speed of the code. The total time needed to navigate, select, and execute commands can have a big impact on overall efficiency. (Also consider that the Palm OS does not provide a wait cursor.)
A philosophy I can live with! All MS had to do was banish the hourglass and they'd have dominated.
That would absolutely rock--someone could implement the patented (I presume) signature algorithm and make signatures available offshore via HTTP. Then, when people who know what they're doing are the only ones trading MP3's again:), these signatures could be used to search fileservers on IRC for the b0mb MP3's.
Of course, there is no way in hell search engines are going to voluntary implement something like this: 1) As long as one search engine doesn't do it, they would be putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage. 2) By starting to do this, they would incur liability for pointing to other illegal content, in whatever local it's illegal in. Not bloody freaking likely, unless the RIAA takes a big equity stake in all the search engines:).
The bummer about this is that there are ways to watch without being caught; a security camera doesn't have to be obvious, and, more importantly, they don't have to tell you they've seen something until they've collected enough to convince TPTB that you need to be escorted abruptly off the property. With the "evidence" of "hacking" or "cracking" that was gathered, they could prevent being "caught watching" by giving you the option of being prosecuted criminally if you talk about the incident. That's a bummer, but no one is proof against the people that control the wires and the space the machines are in. (And, no, I'm not a network admin, and no, I'm not trolling--I understand where you're coming from; age has just made me more practical.)
Dude, if you were that conspicious about wanting local admin on your NT machine, you're probably at the top of the list of people to watch. There's more anonymity and privacy to be gained from appearing to blend with the crowd that from relying on your technical prowess, however awesome it may be. Hell, they could point a good old fashioned analog security camera at your keyboard if they wanted, and you'd never be the wiser.
And, more importantly, China could block packets from the United States. France could block packets from England. Iran could . . . hell, you get the idea.
But even without GPS, the geographic features designed into the addressing scheme of IPv6 will already make this sort of thing inevitable. While anything can be spoofed, for the most part, the days of no "border control" on the Internet are pretty near over. And it saddens me.
Free the Word of God! Open Source! Seriously, though, as long as I can remember, I've considered it pretty darned ironic that those who claim to be in the business of enlightening people with God's word want to make darn sure they're able to charge for their translations. (Boy, this is gonna cost some karma, but here goes:) Just another example of the two-faced hypocrisy of a religion that advocates community property in its scriptures while simultaneously kneeling at the altar of the almighty dollar.
The good news, though, is that you gain a non-destructive read. And the cat hazard is no worse than the fact that stray gamma rays can flip the occasional bit.
And let's not forget that Othello chips also offer row and column addressing inherently.
Drum and core are nice, but Rambus probably has patents to cover those in its portfolio, as well. I'm using mercury delay lines; I think those are safe.
Before, AOL could claim that members and others viewed www.aol.com willingly. Now, AOL may not get the best advertising rates for their home page, now that potential advertisers know the hit counts are inflated by people who never intended to view the page, and who will go somewhere else pronto, not noticing those beautiful ads. Thus, each impression is worth less money to a potential advertiser.
Follow the money--D.A.R.E. was probably paid for by (or at least had matching funds from) the Federal government. When these "worthwhile" programs lose external funding and become a drain on local budgets (ignoring for a moment that "Federal" money came from people in local areas anyway), they tend not to be perceived as worthwhile anymore.
Then the grant writers with the Ed.D.'s get to work and the process begins anew, chasing the current Federal dollars for the priority du jour.
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. . . wait 'till you see what Mailboxes, Etc. is going to want to pack that stuff! And 90 cents times $16,000 / $700 U.S. postal money order maximum = about $21 :).
That happened for me when the CSC challenge wasn't over after 100% of the keyspace was searched. Turns out they were lying and handing out the same piece of the keyspace to multiple clients.
Bull. Netpliance deserved what they got. If they had an acutal business model, they might have survived. Had they not whined about the eeeevil hackers, not so many people might have bought their boxes to hack up from the start. Anyhow, that business model was DOA--while Netpliance's demise is sweet, they were dead before the first box was hacked. And good riddance.
That problem can be addressed very simply by selling kilobit-hours rather than setting limits on what one does with them. If MP3's suck up too much bandwidth, then the customer pays for it or access to the information's removed until next month/quarter/whatever--but the ISP shouldn't write TOS based on content. And I really don't have a lot of sympathy for the "smallish ISP" (i.e. middleman) that can't make money overselling service--if they can't provide the service they advertise, they should not sell it, rather than complain that people that dare to actually use what they've paid for are "abusers."
Those TOS provisions should be made illegal, just as contracts on the back of theatre tickets are. If all the hosting companies pull the same crap, the "power of your money" means squat. Governments must intervene to crush this tyranny. You are the one who is wrong, and I hope you enjoy the TV-like world the Internet is in the process of becoming when no ISP will dare host anything for fear of a lawsuit from somewhere. Kneel for your corporate masters!
Interesting thread--thanks! Nice to see that most of the prospective Network Nazis&trade work for schools and corporations, and not so many for ISP's. Decided already that if my ISP starts that crap, I can live without a connection. If I want restrictions, I'll use one of the free dialups like NetZero. At least I would get the service I'm paying for.
It's attitudes just like that which are turning the Internet into glorified television. Pretty soon, the TOS's will ban everything except a cheesy home page and a few recipes.
If ISP's routinely stood up instead of caved like this, the recording industry wouldn't be so brazen. This is similar to the case in which the ISP that was threatened by the FBI about (and immediately yanked without informing the customer) the fictional Y2K video last year. IMO, that ISP deserved what they got--customers walked in droves because they caved in the absence of a court order as opposed to a goon with a badge making vague threats.
And it would be so simple if they would remember the two important words common carrier. Once they bite from the apple of censorship, ISP's become liable for everything, and rightfully so.
I guess there will always be those who sacrifice principle for "business expediency." Doesn't mean I have to like it, or give them my money.
Bullshit. They contracted to provide a service, and are in breach of that contract the second they delete the files they contracted to serve. Unfortunately, in order to get relief, the customer has to sue. What's needed here are stronger laws to level the playing field against this kind of abuse--automatic, substantial civil penalties that would make an ISP think twice before pulling this kind of crap.
You give your users due process in the event of a dispute while providing the service they paid you for. Else, hopefully, you go out of business.
. . . in the Soviet Union didn't have the best reputation. I remember reading in Byte magazine (back when it was a real magazine) in the early 1980's about a Soviet Apple ][ clone. One part that stuck in my mind more than anything was that CPU's like the 6502 and Z-80 that the Soviets made (presumably copied) came with a list of instructions that didn't work on that particular chip! Imagine a 6502 with LDA on the defect sheet--what a bummer. This may, however, explain why there is some awesome programming talent there.
So true! Reminds me of this very relevant excerpt from the PalmOS developer docs:
A philosophy I can live with! All MS had to do was banish the hourglass and they'd have dominated.
Of course, there is no way in hell search engines are going to voluntary implement something like this: 1) As long as one search engine doesn't do it, they would be putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage. 2) By starting to do this, they would incur liability for pointing to other illegal content, in whatever local it's illegal in. Not bloody freaking likely, unless the RIAA takes a big equity stake in all the search engines :).
The bummer about this is that there are ways to watch without being caught; a security camera doesn't have to be obvious, and, more importantly, they don't have to tell you they've seen something until they've collected enough to convince TPTB that you need to be escorted abruptly off the property. With the "evidence" of "hacking" or "cracking" that was gathered, they could prevent being "caught watching" by giving you the option of being prosecuted criminally if you talk about the incident. That's a bummer, but no one is proof against the people that control the wires and the space the machines are in. (And, no, I'm not a network admin, and no, I'm not trolling--I understand where you're coming from; age has just made me more practical.)
Dude, if you were that conspicious about wanting local admin on your NT machine, you're probably at the top of the list of people to watch. There's more anonymity and privacy to be gained from appearing to blend with the crowd that from relying on your technical prowess, however awesome it may be. Hell, they could point a good old fashioned analog security camera at your keyboard if they wanted, and you'd never be the wiser.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark . . .
And, more importantly, China could block packets from the United States. France could block packets from England. Iran could . . . hell, you get the idea.
But even without GPS, the geographic features designed into the addressing scheme of IPv6 will already make this sort of thing inevitable. While anything can be spoofed, for the most part, the days of no "border control" on the Internet are pretty near over. And it saddens me.
Fair enough--and thanks. It wasn't fair of me to paint all Christians with the brush used for those who sell Bibles.
Free the Word of God! Open Source! Seriously, though, as long as I can remember, I've considered it pretty darned ironic that those who claim to be in the business of enlightening people with God's word want to make darn sure they're able to charge for their translations. (Boy, this is gonna cost some karma, but here goes:) Just another example of the two-faced hypocrisy of a religion that advocates community property in its scriptures while simultaneously kneeling at the altar of the almighty dollar.
Give 'em 2.54 centimeters, they'll take 1.6 kilometers :>.
The good news, though, is that you gain a non-destructive read. And the cat hazard is no worse than the fact that stray gamma rays can flip the occasional bit.
And let's not forget that Othello chips also offer row and column addressing inherently.
Which, if true, will be appropriate because around MicroSoft, you never want to drop the SOAP.
Drum and core are nice, but Rambus probably has patents to cover those in its portfolio, as well. I'm using mercury delay lines; I think those are safe.
So pissing off a corporation makes it OK for them to effectively remove one's right to speak about them?
Before, AOL could claim that members and others viewed www.aol.com willingly. Now, AOL may not get the best advertising rates for their home page, now that potential advertisers know the hit counts are inflated by people who never intended to view the page, and who will go somewhere else pronto, not noticing those beautiful ads. Thus, each impression is worth less money to a potential advertiser.
Follow the money--D.A.R.E. was probably paid for by (or at least had matching funds from) the Federal government. When these "worthwhile" programs lose external funding and become a drain on local budgets (ignoring for a moment that "Federal" money came from people in local areas anyway), they tend not to be perceived as worthwhile anymore.
Then the grant writers with the Ed.D.'s get to work and the process begins anew, chasing the current Federal dollars for the priority du jour.