I have found an unofficial patch for the Yahoo Transport (2.3.1) that fixes the authentication problem. It is working for me. (I did not write this patch, however.)
GAIM's mailing list on sourceforge has postings saying that they have received info on a Yahoo fix from the Trillian people. They expect to do a release of GAIM tonight. I'd expect that other projects will also get this info and will be doing releases shortly.
For anyone who's been affected by this change: the GAIM folks have received info about how to connect to Yahoo from the Trillian people. They expect to be able to release a working version of GAIM tonight.
I'd imagine that other projects will quickly follow suit. More wasted time for Yahoo, to no avail.
Hey, given the choice between the two, I think MS is right to choose security. You're often forced to lean toward security at the expense of some convenience, or vica-versa. And in this case, given the recent (past 10 years) track record, security is more important right now.
Really, the best cure for a bad law is to get rid of that law... there is no appeal from a SCOTUS decision.
You just made my point for me.
those Republinazis and billionaires control everything. Including the Supremes. I guess, game over then. Might as well just give up, eh?
Yeah, it's getting that way. The ultra-conservatives do control the supreme court, the Congress, and the presidency. That's all three branches of government, in case you weren't paying attention.
Give up? Yeah, that's about it. It's not like voting actually does anything. If the power elite doesn't like the way the presidential vote is going, SCOTUS is there to tell us who the president will be.
What SCOTUS also did was take away your right to refuse to answer in any state that does have such a law.
And the Republinazis who control Congress can easily pass a national law ("The Freedom Identity Act of 2004", say) that requires you to identify yourself whenever you're asked by an agent of the government, upon pain of going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Not to mention that this clears the way for national ID cards, which clears the way for a whole host of tyrannical Republo-crime.
I guess it's time to try and become a billionaire so I can buy some rights. Hope they haven't stopped allowing people to become billionaires yet.
Why? It's the principle, what forced identification will naturally lead to.
What? Oh, stuff you might've read about in classic fiction. Permanent police checkpoints, deliberate tracking of all our movements, restriction of public speech, restriction of private speech, people being arrested for political viewpoints. Stuff like that.
Or, just one big thing to remember: Bush can get a law railroaded through the Republinazi Congress with a wave of his fey wrist. Is it that hard to imagine the Freedom Identity Act of 2004 (requiring anyone in US territory to present the national ID card to any agent of the government or be held without bail or counsel as a suspected terrorist for an extended period of time)?
Big changes are in store for us once he wins the election (or loses but refuses to leave office). (Don't laugh; it's not that far-fetched.)
They'd find out you lied, and then they'd find a way to stick it to you for lying. And with this precedent, how long before ID is going to be required anytime a cop asks? The Bush Reich has wanted to impose a national ID card for a while now. This SCOTUS decision today just opens the door wider for our own Big Brother to get his privacy-invading, lying, billionare-elitist foot wedged in.
I suggest that all of us who are using this torrent should leave the bittorrent window up for a day or two after the download is finished. This is a download that really needs that kind of help; the site's mirrors are worthless right now.
The following text is currently on SpamAssassin's site (see http://spamassassin.org/prehistory/) -- keep in mind that it's the basis for the patent. Emphasis below is mine.
SpamAssassin Prehistory: filter.plx
Before there was SpamAssassin, there was Mark Jeftovic's filter.plx. This was a 'context/keyword spam filter', which came up with the basic scheme of what we use in SpamAssassin: namely, named rules identifying spam-like 'features' of the mail, each rule has a score, and once the number of 'strikes' goes above a certain threshold, the mail is marked as spam. And written in perl, of course;)
I (Justin Mason) used this for several years, adding a few small snippets of code; eventually though, the code was getting a bit stale, and Mark seemed busy on other stuff, and I had a few thoughts about some improvements I could do with a total rewrite;) -- so I decided to recode from scratch under an open-source license, and that was SpamAssassin.
Unfortunately the original site at http://antispam.schmooze.net/filter/ is no longer up, but the Internet Archive has a snapshot of it from December 1998 here.
Also courtesy of the Internet Archive, the change log of filter.plx is here, spanning June 1998 to August 1997.
Finally, Mark was kind enough to dig up a source code tarball for filter.pl-1.02d.tar.gz (20k). This is the 1.02d release, February 1998.
Whatever you do, don't actually run the code -- spam nowadays looks nothing like spam did back then, before e-mail clients grokked HTML. Plus I don't think Mark wants to get bug reports at this stage, it's been 5 years;) This page is here instead to document the history of this project.
I just noticed that in the 0.3 (initial) release of SpamAssassin, Justin Mason freely admits he based the idea on someone else's work. That's fine if you're in the free world, but since SA is apparently the basis for NAI's patent, wouldn't this be a problem? You know, other than all the other obvious prior art, and the ridiculousness of patenting an obvious idea.
Quoting:
SpamAssassin owes a lot of inspiration to Mark Jeftovic's filter.plx, http://AntiSpam.shmOOze.net/filter/ , which I contributed some code to. However, SpamAssassin is a ground-up rewrite with an entirely different ruleset, and a different code model and installation system.
The point is that unless they pass a law that says that posting something on the web grants implicit permission to copy, no one has permission to look at Italian web pages -- at least in Italy.
Each web page would need to have a list of explicit permissions, to copy the CSS, each graphic, the javascript, flash, and all HTML (including frames).
Otherwise, downloading a single web page could invoke multiple violations of copyright.
Since the web works by transferring content, and since in the EU all content is automatically granted copyright protection from the moment of inception: isn't the WWW now illegal in Italy?
To the moderators and the guy who replied: if my tongue were any further in my cheek, it'd be poking out. Please; Hoagland is a joke. But conspiracy theorists and crackpots (even money-grubbing ones) are funny. That makes me funny, by extension.
Richard C. Hoagland has been saying this for years, and to think I didn't pay attention just because he's a conspiracy theorist. He's been pounding on and on about how life here came from Mars. And now real evidence emerges that says that might actually be true -- it's living science fiction. See Hoagland's stuff at Enterprise Mission.
Yeah, I have to agree with you; we're tax-happy, and these days, everyone gets taxed on everything -- except for the rich. Bush has got it arranged so that if you make money the way the rich do (through inheritance and stock dividends and other capital gains), you pay little or nothing. (Plus you can just incorporate in Bermuda and owe nothing.) Meanwhile, we mere wage-earners are getting kicked in the ass, and added to that is the intelligence-insulting claim that we've experienced a "tax cut" -- horse shit. And now if we dare buy something online, whammo, a new tax.
So, I hear the weather's nice there in Oz. How do you guys feel about American ex-pats?;-)
The goal of the capitalist is to obtain a monopoly... Mind you, I believe as you do that the government should do something about this, but it's misguided to say that MS's desire to win by any means necessary is somehow out of context.
That is not the goal of a capitalist business. In essence, you're saying that the goal of a business in capitalism is to turn society into a dictatorship. "Winning by any means necessary" != Good Capitalism, which is what I mean by "good business." Good capitalism -- read your Adam Smith -- means trying to out-innovate the competition. Not crush it by any means necessary. There's a different word for that: crime.
It's hardly recent. Read "The Jungle" or anything by Dickens for examples of how business was run
I'm not saying extreme greed is new. I am saying that this is the first time in modern society that it's been considered "just good business" by average folk.
If good business really means "benefit the public at large" then the greedy bastards have not only fooled me, but the entire body of American corporate law
Yes, that's right; they've also fooled the U.S. government. Or perhaps, more simply put, those in power (political and corporate) happen to all agree that only the ultra-rich matter. We can avoid class wars with the right soma. You love Big Brother, Inc.
"Good business practice" just means "brings in lots of money"
That's a recent philosophy, brought on by the insurgence of extreme selfishness. Good business practice really means "bring in lots of money to benefit the shareholders," but also "benefit the public at large." We're too cynical today to believe that this used to be a common philosophy, but a look at history will show that the Microsofts of the past were vilified by the public at large, and no one thought they were "just conducting good business."
"Good business" does not mean "bring in as much money as possible, regardless of the means, and damn the consequences." That's bad business, and that is what the anti-trust laws are actually saying.
But clearly, one reason the Selfish Generation succeeds so well in its awful tactics is that it's so good at inventing slick lies. They've got you suckered.
it's become clear that antitrust measures simply won't work on Microsoft.
You're probably right: we need a new law, one that accomplishes what the original anti-trust laws were trying to. No single corporation or person should have too much power. That's what the law should be.
The hard part will be defining that -- without obvious loopholes. But however hard to code, that is the law we need. No pooling of power in any single place, or group of like-minded places.
Microsoft is a business, it isn't run by a bunch of geeks, it is run buy a bunch of geeky businessmen who plan for the future. Business is war and cash reserves are ammunition. Microsoft is laying plans for war against all, including open source. It is good business practice.
It is not good business practice. That's why we have laws against such behavior. If the government wasn't being run by gangs of corrupt criminals, Microsoft would be split up already, and regulation on baby MSs as widespread as the dandruff on Bill Gates' shoulders.
Part of the reason MS gets away with what it does is because it's able to Orwell the masses. "It's just good business practice to destroy all competition so it can continue to sell its mediocre upgrades" -- what a crock. And yet even some Slashdotters believe it now. Good business, my friend, means true innovation, changing the world, stirring the marketplace up, genuinely out-doing your competitors. MS should be succeeding because its ideas are so good, not because it has so much money, power, and viciousness that no one can stop it.
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To whom it matters:
I have found an unofficial patch for the Yahoo Transport (2.3.1) that fixes the authentication problem. It is working for me. (I did not write this patch, however.)
http://www.the-b.org/~kenny/yahoo-t-2.3.1-authfix. patch.gz
GAIM's mailing list on sourceforge has postings saying that they have received info on a Yahoo fix from the Trillian people. They expect to do a release of GAIM tonight. I'd expect that other projects will also get this info and will be doing releases shortly.
For anyone who's been affected by this change: the GAIM folks have received info about how to connect to Yahoo from the Trillian people. They expect to be able to release a working version of GAIM tonight.
I'd imagine that other projects will quickly follow suit. More wasted time for Yahoo, to no avail.
stay tuned to jdev@conference.jabber.org
Speaking of what doesn't work -- conference.jabber.org doesn't seem to be up.
Hey, given the choice between the two, I think MS is right to choose security. You're often forced to lean toward security at the expense of some convenience, or vica-versa. And in this case, given the recent (past 10 years) track record, security is more important right now.
Really, the best cure for a bad law is to get rid of that law... there is no appeal from a SCOTUS decision.
You just made my point for me.
those Republinazis and billionaires control everything. Including the Supremes. I guess, game over then. Might as well just give up, eh?
Yeah, it's getting that way. The ultra-conservatives do control the supreme court, the Congress, and the presidency. That's all three branches of government, in case you weren't paying attention.
Give up? Yeah, that's about it. It's not like voting actually does anything. If the power elite doesn't like the way the presidential vote is going, SCOTUS is there to tell us who the president will be.
What SCOTUS also did was take away your right to refuse to answer in any state that does have such a law.
And the Republinazis who control Congress can easily pass a national law ("The Freedom Identity Act of 2004", say) that requires you to identify yourself whenever you're asked by an agent of the government, upon pain of going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Not to mention that this clears the way for national ID cards, which clears the way for a whole host of tyrannical Republo-crime.
I guess it's time to try and become a billionaire so I can buy some rights. Hope they haven't stopped allowing people to become billionaires yet.
Why? It's the principle, what forced identification will naturally lead to.
What? Oh, stuff you might've read about in classic fiction. Permanent police checkpoints, deliberate tracking of all our movements, restriction of public speech, restriction of private speech, people being arrested for political viewpoints. Stuff like that.
Or, just one big thing to remember: Bush can get a law railroaded through the Republinazi Congress with a wave of his fey wrist. Is it that hard to imagine the Freedom Identity Act of 2004 (requiring anyone in US territory to present the national ID card to any agent of the government or be held without bail or counsel as a suspected terrorist for an extended period of time)?
Big changes are in store for us once he wins the election (or loses but refuses to leave office). (Don't laugh; it's not that far-fetched.)
They'd find out you lied, and then they'd find a way to stick it to you for lying. And with this precedent, how long before ID is going to be required anytime a cop asks? The Bush Reich has wanted to impose a national ID card for a while now. This SCOTUS decision today just opens the door wider for our own Big Brother to get his privacy-invading, lying, billionare-elitist foot wedged in.
Excellent, thank you.
I suggest that all of us who are using this torrent should leave the bittorrent window up for a day or two after the download is finished. This is a download that really needs that kind of help; the site's mirrors are worthless right now.
The following text is currently on SpamAssassin's site (see http://spamassassin.org/prehistory/) -- keep in mind that it's the basis for the patent. Emphasis below is mine.
SpamAssassin Prehistory: filter.plx
Before there was SpamAssassin, there was Mark Jeftovic's filter.plx. This was a 'context/keyword spam filter', which came up with the basic scheme of what we use in SpamAssassin: namely, named rules identifying spam-like 'features' of the mail, each rule has a score, and once the number of 'strikes' goes above a certain threshold, the mail is marked as spam. And written in perl, of course ;)
I (Justin Mason) used this for several years, adding a few small snippets of code; eventually though, the code was getting a bit stale, and Mark seemed busy on other stuff, and I had a few thoughts about some improvements I could do with a total rewrite ;) -- so I decided to recode from scratch under an open-source license, and that was SpamAssassin.
Unfortunately the original site at http://antispam.schmooze.net/filter/ is no longer up, but the Internet Archive has a snapshot of it from December 1998 here.
Also courtesy of the Internet Archive, the change log of filter.plx is here, spanning June 1998 to August 1997.
Finally, Mark was kind enough to dig up a source code tarball for filter.pl-1.02d.tar.gz (20k). This is the 1.02d release, February 1998.
Whatever you do, don't actually run the code -- spam nowadays looks nothing like spam did back then, before e-mail clients grokked HTML. Plus I don't think Mark wants to get bug reports at this stage, it's been 5 years ;) This page is here instead to document the history of this project.
--j. Jul 14 2003 jm
I just noticed that in the 0.3 (initial) release of SpamAssassin, Justin Mason freely admits he based the idea on someone else's work. That's fine if you're in the free world, but since SA is apparently the basis for NAI's patent, wouldn't this be a problem? You know, other than all the other obvious prior art, and the ridiculousness of patenting an obvious idea.
Quoting:
SpamAssassin owes a lot of inspiration to Mark Jeftovic's filter.plx, http://AntiSpam.shmOOze.net/filter/ , which I contributed some code to. However, SpamAssassin is a ground-up rewrite with an entirely different ruleset, and a different code model and installation system.
The point is that unless they pass a law that says that posting something on the web grants implicit permission to copy, no one has permission to look at Italian web pages -- at least in Italy.
Each web page would need to have a list of explicit permissions, to copy the CSS, each graphic, the javascript, flash, and all HTML (including frames).
Otherwise, downloading a single web page could invoke multiple violations of copyright.
Since the web works by transferring content, and since in the EU all content is automatically granted copyright protection from the moment of inception: isn't the WWW now illegal in Italy?
A quick scan of the advisory gives me the impression that BGP-users are most vulnerable. Dunno how scared the rest of us should be.
To the moderators and the guy who replied: if my tongue were any further in my cheek, it'd be poking out. Please; Hoagland is a joke. But conspiracy theorists and crackpots (even money-grubbing ones) are funny. That makes me funny, by extension.
Hah.
Richard C. Hoagland has been saying this for years, and to think I didn't pay attention just because he's a conspiracy theorist. He's been pounding on and on about how life here came from Mars. And now real evidence emerges that says that might actually be true -- it's living science fiction. See Hoagland's stuff at Enterprise Mission.
Holy sh#&!!
It's bullshit, but it's legalistic bullshit.
What, and that makes it any less bullshitful? Even if they can throw you in the slammer, it's still complete bullshit.
I think you can tell real law vs. bullshit law by this rule of thumb: does it apply to the rich?
Yeah, I have to agree with you; we're tax-happy, and these days, everyone gets taxed on everything -- except for the rich. Bush has got it arranged so that if you make money the way the rich do (through inheritance and stock dividends and other capital gains), you pay little or nothing. (Plus you can just incorporate in Bermuda and owe nothing.) Meanwhile, we mere wage-earners are getting kicked in the ass, and added to that is the intelligence-insulting claim that we've experienced a "tax cut" -- horse shit. And now if we dare buy something online, whammo, a new tax.
So, I hear the weather's nice there in Oz. How do you guys feel about American ex-pats? ;-)
It's called "whatever the market will bear."
That's not good business; that's tyranny.
The goal of the capitalist is to obtain a monopoly ... Mind you, I believe as you do that the government should do something about this, but it's misguided to say that MS's desire to win by any means necessary is somehow out of context.
That is not the goal of a capitalist business. In essence, you're saying that the goal of a business in capitalism is to turn society into a dictatorship. "Winning by any means necessary" != Good Capitalism, which is what I mean by "good business." Good capitalism -- read your Adam Smith -- means trying to out-innovate the competition. Not crush it by any means necessary. There's a different word for that: crime.
It's hardly recent. Read "The Jungle" or anything by Dickens for examples of how business was run
I'm not saying extreme greed is new. I am saying that this is the first time in modern society that it's been considered "just good business" by average folk.
If good business really means "benefit the public at large" then the greedy bastards have not only fooled me, but the entire body of American corporate law
Yes, that's right; they've also fooled the U.S. government. Or perhaps, more simply put, those in power (political and corporate) happen to all agree that only the ultra-rich matter. We can avoid class wars with the right soma. You love Big Brother, Inc.
Last post on this topic.
"Good business practice" just means "brings in lots of money"
That's a recent philosophy, brought on by the insurgence of extreme selfishness. Good business practice really means "bring in lots of money to benefit the shareholders," but also "benefit the public at large." We're too cynical today to believe that this used to be a common philosophy, but a look at history will show that the Microsofts of the past were vilified by the public at large, and no one thought they were "just conducting good business."
"Good business" does not mean "bring in as much money as possible, regardless of the means, and damn the consequences." That's bad business, and that is what the anti-trust laws are actually saying.
But clearly, one reason the Selfish Generation succeeds so well in its awful tactics is that it's so good at inventing slick lies. They've got you suckered.
it's become clear that antitrust measures simply won't work on Microsoft.
You're probably right: we need a new law, one that accomplishes what the original anti-trust laws were trying to. No single corporation or person should have too much power. That's what the law should be.
The hard part will be defining that -- without obvious loopholes. But however hard to code, that is the law we need. No pooling of power in any single place, or group of like-minded places.
Microsoft is a business, it isn't run by a bunch of geeks, it is run buy a bunch of geeky businessmen who plan for the future. Business is war and cash reserves are ammunition. Microsoft is laying plans for war against all, including open source. It is good business practice.
It is not good business practice. That's why we have laws against such behavior. If the government wasn't being run by gangs of corrupt criminals, Microsoft would be split up already, and regulation on baby MSs as widespread as the dandruff on Bill Gates' shoulders.
Part of the reason MS gets away with what it does is because it's able to Orwell the masses. "It's just good business practice to destroy all competition so it can continue to sell its mediocre upgrades" -- what a crock. And yet even some Slashdotters believe it now. Good business, my friend, means true innovation, changing the world, stirring the marketplace up, genuinely out-doing your competitors. MS should be succeeding because its ideas are so good, not because it has so much money, power, and viciousness that no one can stop it.