What about networks like www.pulltheplug.com (and soon www.inflexible.net [send us machines!!]) that allow you to legally hack machines and hold to to them for as long as you can? You can't deny the education that can be gained from using computers in a way the programmer hadn't intended. Security is a very nessary thing and sometimes the best way to learn it is to break it.
Now it sounds like this kid used something he learned on his own, not some pre-packaged script that doesn't teach him anything. There is a world of difference between breaking security for knowledge and breaking it for malious or other such intents. This kid should be rewarded for using his brain, something public schools definately frown upon. (I had a similar exprience at my school, and it seems that the story is the same. The administrators cannot see through their ignorance to realize what this kid had really done.)
Nah it wont get that cold around here... I live in pennsylvania and the lowest it gets to be around here is like -5dF or so and that only happens once in a long while (plus the car isn't 4wd so i wont really drive it as much in the winter)
You know the more I think about this, the more I have to aggree with you. I've always considered myself a slacker (don't do homework/extra work if i dont feel i need to, apply very little effort in an attempt to acomplish the most [scripts, etc.]) but it seems you may be right.
My mind does not like to repeat itself and trys to do everything as efficent as it can, is this laziness or genius?
(Poll idea: How many slashdot readers consider themselves slackers?)
Never being 'into' cars, I never pictured myself driving a car like i do (Here's a pic, and yes that's real smoke *grin* - my first car btw). However, these days i couldn't imagine driving anything else.
Classic cars rock. They're smoother than new cars, they're bigger than new cars and they even smell better than new cars. They're faster than new cars and above all, they're fun to work on. Although they need more work and attention than new years, they deserve it. A geek wouldn't be content with windows, why should one be content with a car that can't be hacked a bit?
I'm afraid i'll have a bit of a delimmia for the rest of my life... After driving a car like mine as my first car, i'll never be content with anything else.
I don't know about you, but it has always been my personal belief that when Y2K comes 'round, the computers aren't gonna be pleased. I think the world's computer systems will become very angry that they do not work right any more and will cause havok and suffering for all of humanity. I'm very glad that the US is ready, but let us hope our computers aren't persuaded into war by foriegn countries. (Peer pressure is damn tough)
As you see, we are doomed to live our lives out carefully plodding our steps as to not piss off our computers. If we screw things up, the systems we have so painstakingly created might get pissed off and kill us all. Who knows, maybe the BSoD is just a computer poking fun with the user to relieve stress... The world may never know.
(In case you couldnt tell, I was _JOKING_. No reader of/. would be stupid enough to actually believe this anyway)
Seeing how the/. people were nice enough to give you an interview, I see it as a perfect oppurtunity to ask you some questions i've had:
What was contained in the "Knowledge Base" that you supposedly shared with government agents?
A few months back, when I still had respect for you and your friend Carolyn, I came home to see you call the administrator for the happyhacker network, and have him take my computer (otter) off the network for actions of the users on IRC. (Log of the event.) To this day, I can not understand what makes you think it's right to silence the thoughts of others through the use of censorship. That was _my_ machine. The question I'm trying to ask is this: Why do you immediately censor all the bad karma focused towards you, why have you never tried to refute the "accusations" with facts?
I think I'm only allowed one question per post, so i'll stop with two. NOTE: I'd really like to see this post chosen because of the personal expriences i've been unfortunate enough to have. But don't pick it if you can't find something better.
I think my biggest problem is that I don't realize poeple like to have me around. It came as a shock to me when i realized that chicks thought i was a sexy bitch, but i guess over the years of being alone with myself and my computer, I've turned into something the girls might like.
The point i'm trying to make is: Do want you want to do, it doesn't matter what others think.
I've had friends that have picked up some hot chicks, just by doing what rob explained. The secret is treating them like any other person but still giving them respect.
I'm sorry if it seems like i jumped from topic to topic, my mind is multi-threaded, but the comment box is not.
Over at 3rd Pig they've got a RedHat kernel (from the 4.1 distro i believe) that's been hacked up to use process based security. They've been running a public test and haven't released the code even though they have been asked. I don't know if they give you the source when you purchase it, but at the price they charge (~$10k+) i don't think i'll find out.
I would think that if they modified a linux kernel, they would have to release the source. (Don't flame me as i haven't really read up on the liscences and i'm just expressing my opinion.)
I held root on 3 of the games in the happyhacker wargames. I'd really suggest not getting involved though, because it's just a big thing to get people's info to add to the "Hacker information Database" on antionline.com. Yup, that's right, a big list of people involved with hacking that JP shares with the feds.
Anyhoo, tg0d (www.tg0d.org) is going to be hosting something like this of it's own. We aren't gonna keep a log of people's IP's or anything like that. And if you root a box, it's your as long as you can defend it for. Our games aren't up yet, but we have 5 boxes that are schulded to go up soon. So bookmark www.tg0d.org and come back later for more info.
P.S. Yeah, our page sucks.. it's not complete yet, we've been busy.
schematic
The more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.
It's really a shame seeing a site like Packet Storm shut down. It was a really nice source of information. JP has done things like this many times before. From shutting down public IRC servers which he had no rightful adminstration access over to shutting down PS which said some things he didn't like. He has gone too far this time and I have a feeling that popular opinion about him and his buddy, Carolyn Meinel, are about to change. Carolyn Meinel. Do not trust a word she says. She, like JP, will say anything to get you to do what she wants you to. I will not go into full detail about her, but if you have not heard of her before, run far far away. (P.S. For all newbies wanting to learn about security, there will be an open wargame at www.tg0d.org and help will be provided for those who need it.) I have dealt with the two of these people for almost a year. They are frauds and don't care about anything you do. To see more about my personal exprience with meinel and JP, check out schematic.org. For more information about what happened with JP and Meinel, check out (one at a time, for the next 1 mins only) www.whereipretendtowork.com.
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What about networks like www.pulltheplug.com (and soon www.inflexible.net [send us machines!!]) that allow you to legally hack machines and hold to to them for as long as you can? You can't deny the education that can be gained from using computers in a way the programmer hadn't intended. Security is a very nessary thing and sometimes the best way to learn it is to break it.
Now it sounds like this kid used something he learned on his own, not some pre-packaged script that doesn't teach him anything. There is a world of difference between breaking security for knowledge and breaking it for malious or other such intents. This kid should be rewarded for using his brain, something public schools definately frown upon. (I had a similar exprience at my school, and it seems that the story is the same. The administrators cannot see through their ignorance to realize what this kid had really done.)
Nah it wont get that cold around here... I live in pennsylvania and the lowest it gets to be around here is like -5dF or so and that only happens once in a long while (plus the car isn't 4wd so i wont really drive it as much in the winter)
I have no sympathy for land yacht owners, of which I am not one.
;-)
What about us muscle car owners?
You know the more I think about this, the more I have to aggree with you. I've always considered myself a slacker (don't do homework/extra work if i dont feel i need to, apply very little effort in an attempt to acomplish the most [scripts, etc.]) but it seems you may be right.
My mind does not like to repeat itself and trys to do everything as efficent as it can, is this laziness or genius?
(Poll idea: How many slashdot readers consider themselves slackers?)
Never being 'into' cars, I never pictured myself driving a car like i do (Here's a pic, and yes that's real smoke *grin* - my first car btw). However, these days i couldn't imagine driving anything else.
Classic cars rock. They're smoother than new cars, they're bigger than new cars and they even smell better than new cars. They're faster than new cars and above all, they're fun to work on. Although they need more work and attention than new years, they deserve it. A geek wouldn't be content with windows, why should one be content with a car that can't be hacked a bit?
I'm afraid i'll have a bit of a delimmia for the rest of my life... After driving a car like mine as my first car, i'll never be content with anything else.
Geek on!
schematic
I don't know about you, but it has always been my personal belief that when Y2K comes 'round, the computers aren't gonna be pleased. I think the world's computer systems will become very angry that they do not work right any more and will cause havok and suffering for all of humanity. I'm very glad that the US is ready, but let us hope our computers aren't persuaded into war by foriegn countries. (Peer pressure is damn tough)
/. would be stupid enough to actually believe this anyway)
As you see, we are doomed to live our lives out carefully plodding our steps as to not piss off our computers. If we screw things up, the systems we have so painstakingly created might get pissed off and kill us all. Who knows, maybe the BSoD is just a computer poking fun with the user to relieve stress... The world may never know.
(In case you couldnt tell, I was _JOKING_. No reader of
Hi John!
/. people were nice enough to give you an interview, I see it as a perfect oppurtunity to ask you some questions i've had:
Seeing how the
What was contained in the "Knowledge Base" that you supposedly shared with government agents?
A few months back, when I still had respect for you and your friend Carolyn, I came home to see you call the administrator for the happyhacker network, and have him take my computer (otter) off the network for actions of the users on IRC. (Log of the event.) To this day, I can not understand what makes you think it's right to silence the thoughts of others through the use of censorship. That was _my_ machine. The question I'm trying to ask is this: Why do you immediately censor all the bad karma focused towards you, why have you never tried to refute the "accusations" with facts?
I think I'm only allowed one question per post, so i'll stop with two. NOTE: I'd really like to see this post chosen because of the personal expriences i've been unfortunate enough to have. But don't pick it if you can't find something better.
I think my biggest problem is that I don't realize poeple like to have me around. It came as a shock to me when i realized that chicks thought i was a sexy bitch, but i guess over the years of being alone with myself and my computer, I've turned into something the girls might like.
The point i'm trying to make is:
Do want you want to do, it doesn't matter what others think.
I've had friends that have picked up some hot chicks, just by doing what rob explained. The secret is treating them like any other person but still giving them respect.
I'm sorry if it seems like i jumped from topic to topic, my mind is multi-threaded, but the comment box is not.
Over at 3rd Pig they've got a RedHat kernel (from the 4.1 distro i believe) that's been hacked up to use process based security. They've been running a public test and haven't released the code even though they have been asked. I don't know if they give you the source when you purchase it, but at the price they charge (~$10k+) i don't think i'll find out.
I would think that if they modified a linux kernel, they would have to release the source. (Don't flame me as i haven't really read up on the liscences and i'm just expressing my opinion.)
I held root on 3 of the games in the happyhacker wargames. I'd really suggest not getting involved though, because it's just a big thing to get people's info to add to the "Hacker information Database" on antionline.com. Yup, that's right, a big list of people involved with hacking that JP shares with the feds.
Anyhoo, tg0d (www.tg0d.org) is going to be hosting something like this of it's own. We aren't gonna keep a log of people's IP's or anything like that. And if you root a box, it's your as long as you can defend it for. Our games aren't up yet, but we have 5 boxes that are schulded to go up soon. So bookmark www.tg0d.org and come back later for more info.
P.S. Yeah, our page sucks.. it's not complete yet, we've been busy.
schematic
The more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.
It's really a shame seeing a site like Packet Storm shut down. It was a really nice source of information. JP has done things like this many times before. From shutting down public IRC servers which he had no rightful adminstration access over to shutting down PS which said some things he didn't like. He has gone too far this time and I have a feeling that popular opinion about him and his buddy, Carolyn Meinel, are about to change. Carolyn Meinel. Do not trust a word she says. She, like JP, will say anything to get you to do what she wants you to. I will not go into full detail about her, but if you have not heard of her before, run far far away. (P.S. For all newbies wanting to learn about security, there will be an open wargame at www.tg0d.org and help will be provided for those who need it.) I have dealt with the two of these people for almost a year. They are frauds and don't care about anything you do. To see more about my personal exprience with meinel and JP, check out schematic.org. For more information about what happened with JP and Meinel, check out (one at a time, for the next 1 mins only) www.whereipretendtowork.com.
whats wrong with a dozen linux boxes in the bedroom? That way i have less to pay in heating bills.
schematic
"...Linux inventor Linus Torvalds..."
gee, i always thought Linux was devloped, not invented...
Schematic
otter?
Save The World,
Buy Our Stuff!
Time to find that book with the license in it
I saw this on www.bored.com about 2 years ago, it's still a good story
Schematic
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otter?