I'm so tired about hearing about "The Kommunity". Little secret... no such thing. It's complete horseshit made up by hypocritical, idealistic fucks who are only out for themselves. (ie: help ME for the sake of the community). Every time I hear someone talk about the "Community", I'm instantly skeptical. I'm much more willing to trust somebody who's out to make a profit and is aboveboard about it.
Absolutely. There's even a chain of retail stores that does the same thing. They're called "Tuesday Morning" I think, or something like that. They're only open occasionally, so when they *are* open, sales per hour are through the roof. They spend much less on employees, and overhead for keeping a store open. It's an interesting way of artifically driving up demand if your product is unique enough. I just did it with my retail store (but to much less of a degree). I get the same amount of business in the long run, but my hours spent behind the cash register are spent much more productively, since I'm now open fewer open hours, and I have the same number of customers.
Well, I'm exaggerating a bit. VNC is useful. This is one I'm definitely trying. There's no way in hell I'm gutting my servers to move to a *nix, but if I can get a free copy of NT for servers, I'm all for it. I can see this, if it works as advertised, as becoming a *major* player in the server market, potentially dwarfing any Linux distros.
Excuse my pessimistic bashing, but how would one proceed in "configuring" the IIS or other apps. This would basically only allow running software specifically designed for command-line use (like a seti-client:) ) on this box. 95% of NT4 software is relying on a clickety-click setup.
Easily. From the command line using WSH, or remotely with the HTML admin tool. Either one is pretty easy. No "clickety-click" required. That's a common misconception of non-Windows people. They see the easy to use GUI, and assume that's in place of a command line interface. Not true at all.
Good troll, but I could definitely use it. I own tons of NT apps, and this would be cheaper (and easier) than buying another copy of NT. You troll about "flawed architecture" is irrelevant.
IF you think that life span of DVD's is short, what about hard drives? Hard drives are only *designed* to work for a year. I don't store anything critical on a hard drive without a CD backup.
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What you so glibly term "Lowest Bidder" is called competition. It drives the country's economy. It's why the US is so successful. Pick up an Econ 101 book, maybe you'll learn something.
That "software license" fee isn't just funny money. It does to pay for development. Oracle, HP, and MS had to pay a lot of people for development of their software. GenericOSSCompany doesn't. That moeny gets paid to developers, marketing people, etc. That money creates jobs, pays taxes again, supports investments, etc. That doesn't happen with OSS. Nobody is paid for development.
Exactly. I, being the end consumer, dont' want to be in the middle of some childish legal fight... should I download this? Can I download this component or that one? Which version? Blech. It's a real mess.
...my tax dollars supporting the economy better. Instead of going to a company that uses that money to grow, pay taxes, pay employees, and pay investors, tax money goes into a company that does little more than repackage somebody else's work. Not exactly a good return on tax dollars, in my opinion.
This kind of childish shit is what keeps OSS in the dark ages. Why in the hell would I want to deal with a mess like that just to play some media files? I'd happily pay for Windows just not to have to deal with this childish garbage. My time is worth more than a Windows license or two.
No, I don't think it's possible. Burnout in this industry is a killer. All of the "lifers" I've seen in IT literally end up like the guy in Office Space with the red stapler. It's such a demeaning business.
If I wrote shit that barfed all over the internet like that,
I think that accusing MS of writing the worm is slander. I really doubt that they wrote that worm.
And as far as your silly apt-get comparison... MS's stuff is integrated. That's why everything works so well together. I can very easily get the version from my third party apps because they're separate. MS stuff isn't built like that. If you want the version of a.dll, it's all right there. Go away, troll.
For me and my company, it was really easy: buy a license. I don't know about the various support plans, etc. I just bought W2K. Installed it. Forgot about it. But, no, their marketing strategy probably isn't the best, but they can do it because they're the best out there right now for most people. Just like any business, the goal is to get as much as you can for your product. And, if they can do it and help their bottom line, well, good for them. I personally have a problem with car manufacturers selling for more than list price (ie: the new Beetle when it came out, the new Mini's, the S2000's, etc.), but if they can get that much for 'em, good for them. Just don't expect me to buy one.
Look, troll. Ms makes a LOT of products. It's a huge company. It's very tough to standardize across a company that big. And, they make many different kinds of products, from joysticks to citrix server software.
Yeah, it can be automated. I don't know why more people don't use it. I've been using it for 1+ years without a hitch. Run one command, it gets a block of XML from a MS server, compares versions of various files, then tells you what you may need, or what you should at least be aware of.
Still, I'd be concerned about automating any patches. Heck, just a few weeks ago, Mozilla came out with a "patch" that broke a good bit of DHTML rendering. Not serious, really, but the same could happen to important software. For example, I know of a particular version of a particular OLE DB provider for Oracle that has a couple of parameters backwards for one of their main functions (I think this was an Oracle version of the driver). If somebody auto-patched a server, and it fixed this problem, it would've broken my app completely, and would've needed a bit of a re-write and re-compile. Not good on a live system.
A few hundred lines of code? It doesn't take that much to keep up to date with W2K systems. First off, for user-level stuff, you set it on auto-update, and you do nothing at all. For server-level stuff, you just run hfnetchk. It scans your system and tells you what you need. For server stuff, I would never automate the whole thing. You're just askign for trouble. Any decent admin is going to check the usefulness of each patch, and see what it could break. So, you're wrong on this one. It's much easier on W2K boxes than it is on Unix boxes.
Yeah, so what? The scalper raised his prices. That's all he did. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. But just because you got a discount the first (or first few times) does *not* mean that you are entitled to a discount every time you buy. Prices go up. That happens. I raise prices in my shop all the time. People may say, "But I got this for less last week." Sorry, but prices go up. It's not strongarming at all. You're not entitled to buy at that lower price, which is what it sounds like you're saying.
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I'm so tired about hearing about "The Kommunity". Little secret... no such thing. It's complete horseshit made up by hypocritical, idealistic fucks who are only out for themselves. (ie: help ME for the sake of the community). Every time I hear someone talk about the "Community", I'm instantly skeptical. I'm much more willing to trust somebody who's out to make a profit and is aboveboard about it.
WSH is a good bit more than 2 years old. It was around in the NT 4.0 days, long before W2K.
Absolutely. There's even a chain of retail stores that does the same thing. They're called "Tuesday Morning" I think, or something like that. They're only open occasionally, so when they *are* open, sales per hour are through the roof. They spend much less on employees, and overhead for keeping a store open. It's an interesting way of artifically driving up demand if your product is unique enough. I just did it with my retail store (but to much less of a degree). I get the same amount of business in the long run, but my hours spent behind the cash register are spent much more productively, since I'm now open fewer open hours, and I have the same number of customers.
Well, I'm exaggerating a bit. VNC is useful. This is one I'm definitely trying. There's no way in hell I'm gutting my servers to move to a *nix, but if I can get a free copy of NT for servers, I'm all for it. I can see this, if it works as advertised, as becoming a *major* player in the server market, potentially dwarfing any Linux distros.
Excuse my pessimistic bashing, but how would one proceed in "configuring" the IIS or other apps. This would basically only allow running software specifically designed for command-line use (like a seti-client :) ) on this box. 95% of NT4 software is relying on a clickety-click setup.
Easily. From the command line using WSH, or remotely with the HTML admin tool. Either one is pretty easy. No "clickety-click" required. That's a common misconception of non-Windows people. They see the easy to use GUI, and assume that's in place of a command line interface. Not true at all.
Good troll, but I could definitely use it. I own tons of NT apps, and this would be cheaper (and easier) than buying another copy of NT. You troll about "flawed architecture" is irrelevant.
No, Disney does it to jack up demand thus the price and sales of their movies. They've done it for many, many years with VHS tapes.
IF you think that life span of DVD's is short, what about hard drives? Hard drives are only *designed* to work for a year. I don't store anything critical on a hard drive without a CD backup.
What you so glibly term "Lowest Bidder" is called competition. It drives the country's economy. It's why the US is so successful. Pick up an Econ 101 book, maybe you'll learn something.
Wow. You really need to ease up on those X-Files re-runs.
That "software license" fee isn't just funny money. It does to pay for development. Oracle, HP, and MS had to pay a lot of people for development of their software. GenericOSSCompany doesn't. That moeny gets paid to developers, marketing people, etc. That money creates jobs, pays taxes again, supports investments, etc. That doesn't happen with OSS. Nobody is paid for development.
Exactly. I, being the end consumer, dont' want to be in the middle of some childish legal fight... should I download this? Can I download this component or that one? Which version? Blech. It's a real mess.
Where did I mention Miscorsoft in my post? Did I miss something?
The question was essentially "your tax dollars at work". NineNine.com doesn't receive any gov't support.
...my tax dollars supporting the economy better. Instead of going to a company that uses that money to grow, pay taxes, pay employees, and pay investors, tax money goes into a company that does little more than repackage somebody else's work. Not exactly a good return on tax dollars, in my opinion.
This kind of childish shit is what keeps OSS in the dark ages. Why in the hell would I want to deal with a mess like that just to play some media files? I'd happily pay for Windows just not to have to deal with this childish garbage. My time is worth more than a Windows license or two.
No, I don't think it's possible. Burnout in this industry is a killer. All of the "lifers" I've seen in IT literally end up like the guy in Office Space with the red stapler. It's such a demeaning business.
If I wrote shit that barfed all over the internet like that,
.dll, it's all right there. Go away, troll.
I think that accusing MS of writing the worm is slander. I really doubt that they wrote that worm.
And as far as your silly apt-get comparison... MS's stuff is integrated. That's why everything works so well together. I can very easily get the version from my third party apps because they're separate. MS stuff isn't built like that. If you want the version of a
For me and my company, it was really easy: buy a license. I don't know about the various support plans, etc. I just bought W2K. Installed it. Forgot about it. But, no, their marketing strategy probably isn't the best, but they can do it because they're the best out there right now for most people. Just like any business, the goal is to get as much as you can for your product. And, if they can do it and help their bottom line, well, good for them. I personally have a problem with car manufacturers selling for more than list price (ie: the new Beetle when it came out, the new Mini's, the S2000's, etc.), but if they can get that much for 'em, good for them. Just don't expect me to buy one.
Look, troll. Ms makes a LOT of products. It's a huge company. It's very tough to standardize across a company that big. And, they make many different kinds of products, from joysticks to citrix server software.
Yeah, it can be automated. I don't know why more people don't use it. I've been using it for 1+ years without a hitch. Run one command, it gets a block of XML from a MS server, compares versions of various files, then tells you what you may need, or what you should at least be aware of.
Still, I'd be concerned about automating any patches. Heck, just a few weeks ago, Mozilla came out with a "patch" that broke a good bit of DHTML rendering. Not serious, really, but the same could happen to important software. For example, I know of a particular version of a particular OLE DB provider for Oracle that has a couple of parameters backwards for one of their main functions (I think this was an Oracle version of the driver). If somebody auto-patched a server, and it fixed this problem, it would've broken my app completely, and would've needed a bit of a re-write and re-compile. Not good on a live system.
Good troll, but you're 100% wrong.. One command will do it.
Another clueless jackass spouting off about things he has no idea about...
A few hundred lines of code? It doesn't take that much to keep up to date with W2K systems. First off, for user-level stuff, you set it on auto-update, and you do nothing at all. For server-level stuff, you just run hfnetchk. It scans your system and tells you what you need. For server stuff, I would never automate the whole thing. You're just askign for trouble. Any decent admin is going to check the usefulness of each patch, and see what it could break. So, you're wrong on this one. It's much easier on W2K boxes than it is on Unix boxes.
Yeah, so what? The scalper raised his prices. That's all he did. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. But just because you got a discount the first (or first few times) does *not* mean that you are entitled to a discount every time you buy. Prices go up. That happens. I raise prices in my shop all the time. People may say, "But I got this for less last week." Sorry, but prices go up. It's not strongarming at all. You're not entitled to buy at that lower price, which is what it sounds like you're saying.
Yeah, but would it be as *pretty*??