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ReactOS 0.1.0 Released
JasonFilby writes "ReactOS 0.1.0 has been released! ReactOS is an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers. In this release, among other new features and fixes, especially worth mentioning are the ability to boot from CD and self-hosting capabilities (ReactOS can be compiled on ReactOS)." ReactOS has been in progress for a while, often tied to other projects with the aim of seamlessly replacing Windows: you can download an image of Bochs 2.0 with ReactOS 0.1.0 preloaded from the download and changelog page.
In this release, among other new features and fixes, especially worth mentioning are the ability to boot from CD and self-hosting capabilities
That's not what it says on the site:
The next release, coming before the month is out, will feature: booting from CD and self-hosting
Someone didn't read the submission before posting it...
this sounds amazing but is it true? cannot wait to download and boot on my ole 486!
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From the site, the focus seems to be on 4.0, not 2K/XP. While this will be great for those who have a huge amount of time and effort invested in implimenting an NT4.0 environment, it doesn't make much sense for someone who has migrated to 2K/XP to move back to ReactOS.
I do think this is really cool though, and I plan to keep my eye on this. With any luck it'll come far enough to start implimenting 2k/Xp compatibility.
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
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This could be useful for people who don't want to fork out for NT/have to use MS products...
And finally, <stupid_comment>Oh look! An MS ad!</stupid_comment>
Ow grow up please... News is news and life goes on. Informing folks on other stuff doesn't mean we don't care...
to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers :)
They will need to emulate all the Win NT to have a real replacement.
AFAIK Win NT's almost whole purpose is for network applications, and here Unix rules anyway... Wine and FreeDOS are getting better by the day for API emulation for DOS/WIndows applications, so why is it so important to have this ? O.K. There are some heavy weight applications that require Win2K or better, but those things are so expensive that a few extra bucks for OS shouldn't kill anyone...
How many Operating Systems do we actually need?
Three OS for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
It took me a while to figure out from their site (as it is being /.ed), but this OS has *no* GUI whatsoever, and I havn't seen any serious discussion of plans to implement one. While this is an interesting concept, for 99.9% of computer users ReactOS is nothing more than an interesting experiment.
I wonder if ReactOS, if they become successful, might end up in a bit of legal trouble from Microsoft. I'm sure MS has patents and copyrights up the wazoo on Windows NT, and is not afraid to take advantage of them. Remember how they arrogantly sued the company they bought MS-DOS from out of existence because they were worried they would add multitasking to it? Even though that company had some contractual rights to the IP MS purchased from them, which ReactOS hasn't.
If you thought Mono was a legal minefield, this is has to be akin to strinking and flicking matches in dynamite wharehouse.
In the rest of the world this weekend:
Between 25 and 50 die in Lagos, Nigeria.
40 die in Zimbabwe train crash.
Seven teenagers die in Canadian avalanche.
China hotel fire kills 33.
Nobody deservers to die, neither by accident, during space flights or war. But apparently the world keeps turning, and so should you.
-- yes I know this is offtopic, I'm sorry --
Where are the screenshots?
Oh, that's why.
This isn't going to replace Windows anytime soon if it doesn't have a graphical interface of any sort.
Dude it's...
Three Rings for the Microsoft-Developers under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-VPs in their halls of stone,
Nine for IIS System Administrators doomed to die,
One for Steve Ballmer on his dark throne
In the land of Redmond where shadows lie.
One Application to rule them all, One Palladium to authenticate them,
On Application to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Redmond where Shadows lie.
Bugs are just features that have been fixed.
While this is cool a bunch of guys with time on their hands figured out how to get binary compatility with NT, the one thing that holds people to NT now(XP/2k) is the direct X layer between hardware and OS.
It's still a pretty good feat though and is noteworthy of frontpage news. If the authors are reading would you mind answering a few questions?
1. What timeline do the authors see for adding a directX layer?
2. Do you forsee using the wineX code for reference or will you rewrite it from scratch?
Is this actually intended to supplant Windows on the desktop, or is it more aimed at small embedded systems? Or alternately, is there a parallel project that aims to replace Windows CE for the latter? I know there are a lot of similarities between NT4 and CE.
I am not personally a fan or a "user" (hah!) of Windows, but I have...friends...who might be interested in a "sidegrade" to an open-source embedded OS which is WinCE compatible. If nothing else we might be able to improve the security and reliability of embedded applications that have already been developed for Microsoft OSes. There is nothing worse than a small, single-purpose appliance - say for making toast - that can't perform reliably because the underlying OS is faulty, or constantly requires patches to assure peace of mind (hah!).
Could I interest anyone in some toast?
Yeah, because every news portal in the world has to repeat every small detail given by the same 5 sources. Not doing so is just callous and rude. I really need Slashdot to be my portal to CNN. CNN doesn't have Thinkgeek ads.
I guess it's just best to drop everything, and go back to bed. It's true that if Slashdot posted more information about the space tragedy and the war, both war and space tragedy would be averted in the future, and the world would be safe and happy again.
Stopping development of operating systems would help too; most space tragedies and wars are indeed caused by announcements of early point releases of free OS code.
Mod this parent up. It's some really deep stuff.
Wouldn't the world be a better place if these developers exercised their talents on a piece of software that was truely beneficial to the community?
Despite the quality and feature rich nature of many open-source projects, there are still loads of important projects waiting to be written. This project seems like a waste of good programmers to me.
although its a good start to replace windows in some shape or form you might want to use some OSS to go with the OS.
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How many Operating Systems do we actually need?
IKIGTGMDFTB:
Just one good one.
(Still waiting...)
This announcement of this OS may seem interesting, but if you play the endlessly fascinating game of Go, your insight can become more balanced. For example, When Microsoft was well on the way of total OS dominance, it was as if the board had many stones, but all in one corner. Then Linus Torvalds, almost absentmindedly, played a stone in the opposite corner that was mostly vacant and Microsoft and the rest of the world ignored it, so Linus played a few more stones. Soon there was a formidable structure that Microsoft and the rest of the world couldn't ignore. And that's where we are today. Now ReactOS comes along and plays a stone, but no matter where the stone is placed on the OS board, the position is weak.
BTM
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
I certainly don't want to start a flamewar here, but I'm not sure if I think this is a useful product. It sounds like the objective of this project is to create a free clone of Windows NT, so people have choice. In order for this to be useful, I need to be able to install an app on either Windows NT 4.0 or ReactOS X.Y, and have the application not know the difference, right?
In order to make that work, the OS must look the same to the app. That means APIs and, at a higher level, the architecture, has to be the same. The reason we don't run any Windows NT based systems in production is that the architecture is flawed. It's a desktop OS with "enterprise" features tacked on. The fundamental architecture of NT is why it sucks, in my mind. To emulate that, even if you give it away for free, doesn't solve the security issues, the performance issues, etc etc.
I have a lot of respect for these guys, kernel hacking from the ground up is tough stuff, but I'd rather see them contributing their talent to the Linux or BSD projects rather than copying a flawed architecture.
Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
FWIW, some parts of ReactOS use FreeDOS components. For example, the ReactOS cmd.exe is based on the FreeDOS "FreeCOM" (the FreeDOS command.com).
Thought you'd like to know. If you're interested in the DOS parts of ReactOS, you're probably better off to download FreeDOS, which is more stable & mature anyway.
Being a truly remarkable revolution in software and all.
How hard would it be to port XFree86 to ReactOS? It would give you an instant GUI. OS/2 has XFree86, so it would seem ReactOS could have it too. It doesn't have to be the only GUI, but it would add a ton of functionality to ReactOS.
So far, this is just to prove a point. Its what comes from this that could be useful. I forsee a lot of the technology from this ending up in WINE for one reason or another.
As a standalone piece of software though, its not a lot of use.
I know quite some people with this attitude, and I'm afraid that most of them Just Don't Get It.
Most of the people writing Open Source software are doing it because they like to do it. That's all.
If somebody is doing something special just for the fun of it, you can't just kick him and say: "That's of no use for anybody, why don't you just do $THIS instead?"
Won't work at all if he's not interested in doing $THIS. Things just don't work this way. And this is a Good Thing[tm].
And, coming back to your question, no, the world wouldn't be a better place. :-) Definitely no.
[Footnote and rant: Maybe I should send good ol' George W. a mail asking him to do something different because that would make much more sense for everybody else than what he's doing at the moment. But I'm afraid this won't work either. He just likes what he's doing ATM too much, I'd guess.]
42. Easy. What is 32 + 8 + 2?
These are barely janitors who run the site. Read the submissions and copy/paste it to the front page. Real complicated. Thats how a goatse.cx link got slipped into the main page before.
Damnit! Beat me to it!
The guys working ReactOS might want to be careful. Spirent Communications has a product called REACT, very popular in the systems/OSS world for testing large communications system. And it's a software product. Were this to ever be popular, they might have some problems with it, figuring the way big companies love to sue nowadays.
Do a little homework before picking those cool names, folks. Save you a lot of pain down the road.
Anyone else notice from one of the screenshots on the website that this thing appears to be using WINE and X11 to run GUI Windows apps? Check it out...
I get told off from pro-Windows people that 'IIS is free!' whenever price comes up. Presumably you'd be able to take whatever resource packs/service packs/option packs with IIS on them (remember, it doesn't come with the operating system, it's an 'option') and just install them on another platform, if the binaries would run.
creation science book
First off, this is "supposed" to be a drop in replacement for Windows NT 4.0. Why? Even Microsoft is trying to abandon NT 4.0.
But, Ok you want a drop in replacement for NT 4.0. So, where is the GUI? There is no GUI. Second, but perhaps most importantly, where is the file system support. This thing uses FAT32. Windows NT 4.0 can use FAT32 but, its primary file system is NTFS.
How can they possibly call it a seamless replacement for NT 4.0 with no GUI and no NTFS file system. I'm sorry but, renaming FreeDos utilities to try to emulate the CMD.EXE shell is hardly a substitute for NT 4.0 and I won't even mention Windows 2000.
Indeed, what we really need to do is get in our individual phantom cruisers and head into orbit to take care of the villainous blue-haired alien what done it, right?
Also, that would be helping the terrorists.
The clickety click apps are all twiddling registry keys. Even a console-only variant of NT would need a registry. ini files are a holdover from the 2.x-3.x days. Even services (read daemons) on NT family operating systems are configured from the registry. It would only be necessary to have alternative utilities to do the registry twiddling (well there would be the small matter of intercepting GUI calls.....). For that matter, tools like REG.EXE already exist but aren't commonly employed. Something like curses could be used to make console-style wizards that use things like REG.EXE to install services.
I don't think administration from a console is insurmountable. The registry is just a database and those can be manipulated just fine without a GUI. The fact that most Windows programs expect a GUI to be running is more problimatical. Those calls have to be intercepted and presented in a way appropriate for a console. The complexity of that is comparable to the various WINE forks. It may be simpler to just provide a GUI.
We need version 0.1 of a ten year old, discontinued Micro$oft operating system. For your further information, Gnu/DOS, an M$-DOS clone, is almost alpha. That is a testament to the power of Open Source, I think.
Slashdot - run by Rob Malda and Jeff Bates (like having anal sex with each other).
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
How dare they... write software! And... do things that we don't like! And...stuff!
If this works out right, they won't need to make a GUI, as people who own NT already could just copy over the explorer.exe and associated files.
Well, I'm exaggerating a bit. VNC is useful. This is one I'm definitely trying. There's no way in hell I'm gutting my servers to move to a *nix, but if I can get a free copy of NT for servers, I'm all for it. I can see this, if it works as advertised, as becoming a *major* player in the server market, potentially dwarfing any Linux distros.
My question: what's the point?
We all know that NT4 microkernel is good and the reason it crashes so much is because people install drivers with bugs.
The same drivers will crash, regardless of whether the rest of the system is open or not..
Mod this up +5 Insightful!!!1
You are one pathetic individual...
Im worried, this could this be the end of linux.. another project with an aim to replace windows, do you consider this a major threat (the idea of something replacing NT bothers me, because linux is already there, and far beyond)
Ok, I may be answering a slight troll, but..
I create things that interest me *and* are useful, whether tangible or intangible. To create something, (however interesting it may be to create) that is essentially useless (and lets face it, by the time this project releases something that would be of real use at this moment, the world will have moved on) is overall not of interest to me.
As for 'getting it' as you say, it depends what you're trying to get. If copying a piece of proprietary software (that is often cited as being structurally bad) whilst other superior projects already exist is 'getting it,' then I'm glad that I apparently 'don't get it'.
The best hackers are those who are interested in something in order to understand it and in order to persue a higher interest. It seems from your statements here that you are merely interested in idle play, and what comes from this playing is of little concern to you.
I know you're a die-hard windows user, but trust me when I say that *nix has features that Windows is only beginning to have. Yes, the learning curve is a bit steep, but things like remote installation and management, network filesystems, and system stability, *nix still offers better performance.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
It's not the first, but somehow I doubt that'll be the last time Windows XP is linked to Scientology...
While I find your new shtick of *nix.org mildly amusing, placing it in your posts instead of in your .sig makes it a lot easier for me to metamod unfair everyone who mods your troll ass up. Just thought I'd share.
Your pal,
AC
Thanks for the 411, bro.
Your pal,
AV
Actually, FreeDOS (www.freedos.org) is excellent. It has an enhanced shell and many nice utilities, is available with FAT32 support, and features fairly wide compatibility. Windows 3.1 is the main stumbling block.
/40 laptops out there, than to try to wedge GNU/Linux on it.
I'd much rather use FreeDOS on, for example, one of the hundreds of cheap-as-to-be-disposable 486/33 or
It's just like a fascist dictatorship, without the punctual rail service!
n/t
"You're never ready, just less unprepared."
If ReactOS ever becomes even remotely popular, or maybe even before it is even released, Microsoft will sue it into oblivion for unauthorized use of their APIs which are supposedly their "Intellectual Property". I wouldn't expect anything else from microsoft except to protect their monopoly by bringing the legal smackdown on anyone who wants to develop a fully interoperable OS without paying them royalties.
Repeal the DMCA!
Just because *you* have no use for any of the above, it doesn't mean they're pointless.
Over half of the internet's webservers run on apache, a large percentage of those use PHP. I'd put money on the fact that Squid caches more traffic than all the other web cache applications combined, and we all know that real web/ftp servers run either FreeBSD or Linux, if they don't run a commercial Unix.
smash.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
If you just want to hack and have fun, by all means, do so, and I hope you have a blast. But then shut the hell up when the topic turns to MS's abuses of power, since you'll have no right to bitch, since you did nothing to alleviate that problem. Think of it as the computer equivalent of bitching about lousy government without voting.
You may get a free copy of the NT kernel, maybe even the core OS, with ReactOS, but what server apps are you going to run on it?
Going to shell out for a copy of IIS or Exchange?
Or are you going to turn to open source applications as well?
If you go for the second option, you're most likely going to have exactly the same user interface for your applications (ie, configuring via text files), which somewhat nullifies the "ease of use" point of having an NT compatible OS.
If you go for the first option... well.. the costs of Exchange or whatever MS calls the IIS suite these days (the name escapes me at the moment) make the cost for NT server look insignificant..
Sure more drivers will be nice, however, if you pick your server hardware correctly these days, drivers aren't an usually an issue anymore - the main server devices you need are network cards and disk controllers - the manufacturers of which both seems to be supporting OSS development a lot better these days.
smash.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
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They haven't sued WINE or CrossOver Office yet.
Not to say Microsoft wouldn't sue
But MS-DOS API (almost) = CP/M API
And no they didn't have prior permission to do that.
So Microsoft themselves have established a precedent about API interoperability being permissible.
I like 'em both.
;-P )
:-(
NT and linux, who'd thunk it!
I like NT because it is probably the most "predictable" OS you can find; each installation is basically the same, especially within a company. Any changes are superficial, all you need to know is a few key version and service pack numbers and you've got a clear picture of the state of things.
It is remarkably stable, especially if you don't buy crappy hardware. Because it hosts most of my favorite apps and games, I can live with myself having a few copies (legitimately, but not out of my own pocket...
And I like linux because when you have to get dirty with interfacing hardware, and no clear solution exists, you look to the source. I've had to do this too many times, and linux comes and saves my ass with bits and pieces scrounged from hither and yon, duct-taped up with perl, and boom, you have your custom widget for whatever-the-fuck was needed in a weeks time. My latest project: Palm Pilot m130 + otherwise useless P133 Dell Latitude = OGG player with IR remote for the car! w00t!!
Plus, I like being able to squeeze the last bit of performance out of machine, and knowing its operation front to back. It makes me feel safer when deploying a critical service; being able to feel confident it will stay up, and if it fails, I can diagnose it quickly because of said transparency. Linux, when set up conservatively, can take a huge beating. I've had servers with half-bad RAM and frayed SCSI cables stay up and limp along until I checked the logs... (MEDIC MEDIC!!!)
So what about linux leaves you with such a bad taste in your mouth?
Interstingly enough, that quality is shared by another less free system: Solaris. The documentation is incredibly thorough; so good, up to the point of throughly recognizing and explaining its own shortcomings (NFS RPC, etc.).
I wish Sun was more forthcoming with hardware docs. Alas, this is how they make their money.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
...No paint, no minesweeper...
I guess that means no solitaire. Sorry guys, i've just lost all interest in your silly project - it can never be a *real* windows clone. Sorry...
: ) In all serious this looks like a lot of fun, and I wish you guys the best.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
I've hit the karma cap.
^_^
BTW, I also agree with Hyperion as well.
In particular, linux, in a lot of ways, sucks too. As a technological feat, it cannot be ignored. But it has a long way to go. In particular, it saddens me that linux is mostly focused on pulling in support for various technologies and standards and not too much else. That and tin-foil-hat patches.
Why can't we be the ones deciding where we want it to go next? There are all sorts of weird ideas I'd love to see come to linux that aren't just copies of whatever else someone is doing. It would give it a distinctive flavor and make it an OS with its own merits (besides a philosophy and widespread nerd tolerance).
Also, I like the idea of ReactOS myself. Its not like software vendors are just going to stop making software compatible with NT 4.0 API next year; they probably aim for that as a target system, with NT5.0 as a convienient superset. So if it gets a gui soon, it will be eminently useful for a small group of NT d00dz. Plus, imagine what insights these programmers will gain after having to hack together a system that is modeled after the OSF3/win32 architecture. If they don't go insane, I imagine great things to come from a group who could manage that.
(please don't mod me down, oh please don't mod me down brer fox)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I can see pigs flying too, but only when I take enough acid.
First of all, there is almost nothing technologically new in Windows NT: its "innovations" in areas like file systems, access control, security, etc., have pretty much all been tried before. People don't use them by choice. Furthermore, IBM has created a pretty complete Windows clone as part of OS/2, and they didn't get into legal trouble, so there is little reason to believe that ReactOS would have any more problems.
Sure, some MS executives have said something like "we have lots of intellectual property in this great new technology", but every company that wants investors to drive up the stock price says that. Nobody has yet been able to produce any concrete, substantial intellectual property that Microsoft (or anybody else) holds in C# or .NET. The few patents that have surfaced have been peripheral and easy to work around. So, if you have concrete knowledge of this "legal minefield", please tell us all. Otherwise, please don't keep spreading FUD about Mono.
Great post man! :)
I too use both NT and Linux. As far as Windows goes, I have used "NT based" Windows since 4.0, as I quickly learned that Win95 sucked big ones...
Windows allows me to play games (woohoo! play time!). Especially after Win2000 came out. Finally, USB and newer DirectX was available. And, as long as you had good hardware with well-written drivers, NT is quite livable. However, WPA has turned me off to Windows. MS will never see a cent from me on XP. I had a chance to play with WinXP for a while (on a play-machine as I called it). I was able to trip WPA after some hardware changes. Annoying to say the least. I will stay on 2000 until it is no longer supported.
I love Linux because of it's openness. Sure, it took me awhile to learn it. (Started with RedHat 5.2 when it came out). But, here I am some years later, able to use Linux for everything I need except scanning & games (my scanner has no Linux support last I tried... it's a USB Hewlett Packard 3300C USB, and not all games available for linux. WineX doesn't count in my book).
Oh, you commented about linux taking a beating and still chugging along. One day, a fellow Linux user and I were playing with his dual celeron 400 machine (remember that cool abit mobo back when?) and he was probing around the insides trying to figure out where a noise was coming from. He accidentally unplugged an ide cable! (Yes, his hard drive was on that one) Linux didn't panic or anything. He plugged it back in... the machine didn't seem to notice the difference. (and he did have some background services running.) We had a good laugh on that one (I don't recommend hotswapping anything like that btw)
Can't we use a shell replacement, or if good enough just use your copy of explorer from NT4.
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$.02
e aks-upload-more-patches-hunk-o-piece-o-garbage-OS_ ever again, like winXP...
I would _love_ an alternative to to win2k, _especially_ if I can have it on all my machines in my office and my network will stay up.
One big beef with win2k is that I have to unplug and plug my ether cords from my machines to get the other machines to see it on the network
Even worse is the the slow constant decay of performance between each reinstall of the system...
also I want to have a reason to _never ever in a million gazillion years_ upgrade to another 1984-orwellian-draconian-upload-patches-upload-br
[chant with me}
No More Flare Over Security And Stability!
No More Pretty Buttons and Animated Garbarge over Performance!
No More Filthy Trash EULAs!
*ahem* sorry, got carried away there...
("I am sorry mr MS tech support, I just don't have time to read all the if ands or buts, I just need my computer to be mine... and please stop breaking it or support some competition that will...stop breaking it I mean, like my computer... and stuff")
here here!
> Why do we keep assuming that opensource resources just transfer between products?
Because, to a large degree, it is true. And even to the degree it *isn't* true, we should try to encourage would-be developers to join an existing project, rather than start their own. There is no lack of free software projects, however there is a desperate lack if free software projects with enough developers to produce anything worthwhile.
Of course, hobbyist programmers should do whatever they think is fun, even if it never produce anything useful to others. But that should not stop us oldbies encouraging them to join existing larger projects that may already have produced, or is likely to end up producing, something worthwhile. There is also a great fun seeing your code getting used. And while working with others can be annoying, it can also be rewarding, and it is a valuable skill to learn.
I actually swap drives no a live system..in Windows no less, and it works almost seamlessly, most of ht time. Remove cd burner from device manager, unplug IDE cable, swap to DVD, scan for hardware changes. The system crashes if you boot with the DVD drive, swap and try to use ASPI though :/. And sometimes it just locks up.
Oh well, saves me a reboot.
Yes, it's off-topic. :) But what the hell..
It's not the same if you know that Willy was only really freed in the movie "Free Willy". After that, he/she (the actual animal) was still in some presumably too small water bassin. Only years, lot of protests and several tries later he was re-released into the wild, AFAIR (which was especially hard, since Willy just couln't cope with living on his/her own anymore).
btw, I stole this sentence from a .sig somebody
had on /. here a while ago. I like it and
it makes sense. Think freed code.
42. Easy. What is 32 + 8 + 2?
You need a mandate to rule, no votes = no mandate
same with MS. I can bitch all day about monopoly abuses even if I buy and promote Windows because I expect the government to protect me from their illegal bahaviour. That's what anti-competitive laws are for.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Best guess, "I know I'm going to get my [something] for this, but:"?
At least I think so. Hate to see your other accounts lose m1 privs.
Your pals,
Michaelangelo, Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael
There's no way in hell I'm gutting my servers to move to a *nix,[snip]
Let me guess... not stable enough for you?
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I'd much rather use FreeDOS on, for example, one of the hundreds of cheap-as-to-be-disposable 486/33 or /40 laptops out there, than to try to wedge GNU/Linux on it.
WEDGE?!
I *started out* on a 386dx/40 with Linux. I've had low-end 486's running Linux without a problem. The harddisk and ram are the factors on those machines, as 8-16 megs was alot back then, and harddisks weren't exactly a buck a gig as they are today.
Linux is perfectly usable on a 486. Just don't put KDE or Gnome on it, and you're good to go.
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