They were giving them a sale price. Buy now, or pay moer later. Happens every single day. Concert tickets, cars, home mortgages, etc. This isn't "strongarming". This is called "selling".
That's bullshit. They're not strongarmed. They upgrade because they want to. MS can't force anybody to upgrade. I know plenty of companies that have standardized on W2K and haven't moved to XP. No reason to.
Did you put "loose" in quotes because you couldn't spell it, or you weren't sure what it meant? Kiddo, you need to spend less time on Kazaa, and more with a good book.
They are a company afterall. You can't expect them to support all their products for an indefinite amount of time. They would go bankrupt!
Well, shit, we wouldn't want a company to go bankrupt, huh? Let's just keep throwing them the money and spending money on new releases because they're nice guys, huh? Whether or not they make money isn't my problem. That's how business works. If they can't support themselves like this... oh well. That's their problem. Sounds harsh, but somehow I don't see people taking pity on any other company with bad/stupid business practices.
You're assuming that every computer on the planet is a web server. I can guarantee that web servers for most companies are less important that most secretaries' machines, and I can guarantee you further that there are many, many critical machines that are not on the Net. You think that a CNC machine manufacturer gives a flying shit about Apache or BIND patches? No. They want an OS that they can embed, and if something bizarre comes up when they try to use a new control panel, that they can call the company and get the problem fixed. Fuck web servers. Unless you're EBay or Amazon or Yahoo, they're not critical.
If I worked in RedHat's support center, I would want to shake the hand of whoever made that descision
And if I worked in RedHat's sales group, I would want to shoot the person in the head who decided that.
Potential buyer: We're interested in getting an OS installed, and just letting it run for years and years. Our applications are too important to be moved, stopped, started, or changed in any way. Can we do that with RedHat?
Well, not only that, but the reason that Unix had done so well in the past was that it was so stable, that you could run it for many, many years and just forget about it. Windows has just now gotten to that level with W2K, making it viable for those companies who do want to install and forget (my company included). I don't make any money, and I don't gain any productivity installing software. I don't want to do it any more than I have to. I want to concentrate on the revenue earning aspects of my business. Computers aren't just some game for me, they're not toys... they're tools that help me run my business which in turns pays my bills! They should last a long time, and like any other tool, I'm going to use what I've already got and paid for until it ceases to function.
It only costs $0 if you're a home user. A business is going to spend a *ton* of money doing an OS upgrade. It's labor intensive, it's risk intensive, and if something breaks, then you're fucked. Again, the initial cost of software is NOT a deciding factor for most businesses. It's the ongoing support an maintenance. You couldn't pay me enough to "upgrade" all of my company's machines on a yearly basis. That's just insanity. Computers are like any other machine in a business. They're there to generate income. Downtime, maintenance, fixing makes those machines less valuable.
It's not such a good idea to EOL something when the support for that product is your sole means of income!! Besides, what sane IT manager is gonna put some really important data on a machine that will be technically obsolete and unsupportable by the manufacturer in a year? Redhat's credibility as a software company for real business applications has jsut gone down the toilet.
The whole point of Redhat's very existence is SUPPORT. Their product is free. You pay for support. If support consists of a whopping year, then there's no way in hell I'd buy Redhat for my company. I'd just download it, and pay someone else for support. Redhat is essentially removing their very own source of revenue. In my opinion, this has got to be one fo the *worst* decisions possible for them. I don't care how easy/cheap an upgrade is... it's a real PITA that I want to do as little as possible. I bought W2K, and I expect to use it for many, many more years, regardless of whether something "better" comes out.
They were there for the same reason that everyone else was there: to sell stuff. It's that simple. There's no deep meaning philosophy behind it. No conspiracy. They're there to sell.
Joe Sixpack is learning how to use a desktop UI, isn't it far, far better for everyone if he becomes familiar with a publicly owned desktop, instead of one controlled and sold by a private corporation?
No, not necesarily. I'd love to hear why you think this is true.
The world was a better place when average user could go to the store, buy a cheap-o computer, plug it in, and use it to communicate, and to make their lives easier. That day's already here. What's gonna actually *happen* is everybody starts using a "public domain" OS?" Is the sky going to open up and choirs of angels will sing? Will everyone be bathed in wealth? What is this great thing that you talk about?
That's funny. Every time I see a Mac, I just can't help thinking of all of the Banana Republic-shopping, Ikea-buying, VW-driving ultra-feminine, super-sensitive men who love these things because they happen to match everything else they purchase. Ugh. That whole chrome new-wage techno-yuppie consumerism bullshit makes me sick. YOU ARE NOT YOUR COMPUTER.
And that's my problem, how, exactly? If you can't upload, then you shouldn't be downloading. There's nothing anybody can do to stop you, but you *shouldn't* be leeching. And, you can very easily cap your upload speed. People who are sharing zero files are generally just cut off and added to my ban list (via IP).
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And this is good, how? Leechers *do* suck. What's the loss to just leave Kazaa up when you're not using it. Hell, I have a dial-up connection, and I just leave my copy of Kazaa up whenever I'm not using the machine. So, fuck you and your cheating program.
Honestly, who the hell cares? There are plenty of people, myself included, who hate that Ebay shit. Online auctions, buying questionable products from questionable sellers, piss-poor, complicated interfaces (especially EBay's). Blech. EBay is like Slashdot... it's own little self-contained universe of people who live there. He may have had his reputatino damaged within EBay, but EBay isn't the public at large. It's not like slander in a newspaper. It's one fucking website.
Worms that do this sort of thing will continue ad infinitum. The reason is that there's no financial detriment to having one of your own boxes act as a zombie and send out tons and tons of packets. None whatsoever. There's no central accountability. That's the way the Net is set up. I don't see any way around it.
I can't wait to see what the OSS community does when completely unscrupulous companies in China, India and Africa start taking GPL code, closing the source, and selling it. I can't wait.
I'm not sure if the basic Oracle RDBMS package has that (again, a DBA familiar with SQL loader would know for sure), but there are definitely third party programs (such as Toad) that do that. Oracle is *very* modular. All that stuff isn't included in their basic databases. They're either Oracle or 3rd party add-ons. But, with Oracle being one of the oldest and most robust RDBMS' out there that's still alive (along with DB2), you can pretty much find a tool for any task for Oracle. Your data is not, contrary to what the poster said, in any way "locked" into Oracle.
Of course it doesn't. SQL isn't a format. It's a "Structured Query Language". I don't even know what you're trying to do.
As far as exporting, of course you can export. You can export whatever you want in virtually any format you want, and have been since, well, for as long as I remember. Ask a DBA.
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They were giving them a sale price. Buy now, or pay moer later. Happens every single day. Concert tickets, cars, home mortgages, etc. This isn't "strongarming". This is called "selling".
That's bullshit. They're not strongarmed. They upgrade because they want to. MS can't force anybody to upgrade. I know plenty of companies that have standardized on W2K and haven't moved to XP. No reason to.
Did you put "loose" in quotes because you couldn't spell it, or you weren't sure what it meant? Kiddo, you need to spend less time on Kazaa, and more with a good book.
They are a company afterall. You can't expect them to support all their products for an indefinite amount of time. They would go bankrupt!
Well, shit, we wouldn't want a company to go bankrupt, huh? Let's just keep throwing them the money and spending money on new releases because they're nice guys, huh? Whether or not they make money isn't my problem. That's how business works. If they can't support themselves like this... oh well. That's their problem. Sounds harsh, but somehow I don't see people taking pity on any other company with bad/stupid business practices.
You're assuming that every computer on the planet is a web server. I can guarantee that web servers for most companies are less important that most secretaries' machines, and I can guarantee you further that there are many, many critical machines that are not on the Net. You think that a CNC machine manufacturer gives a flying shit about Apache or BIND patches? No. They want an OS that they can embed, and if something bizarre comes up when they try to use a new control panel, that they can call the company and get the problem fixed. Fuck web servers. Unless you're EBay or Amazon or Yahoo, they're not critical.
People still running servers on 486's need to move on!
Why?
If I worked in RedHat's support center, I would want to shake the hand of whoever made that descision
And if I worked in RedHat's sales group, I would want to shoot the person in the head who decided that.
Potential buyer: We're interested in getting an OS installed, and just letting it run for years and years. Our applications are too important to be moved, stopped, started, or changed in any way. Can we do that with RedHat?
RH Sales: Well, we can support you for a year.
Potential buyer: Are you fucking kidding?
Well, not only that, but the reason that Unix had done so well in the past was that it was so stable, that you could run it for many, many years and just forget about it. Windows has just now gotten to that level with W2K, making it viable for those companies who do want to install and forget (my company included). I don't make any money, and I don't gain any productivity installing software. I don't want to do it any more than I have to. I want to concentrate on the revenue earning aspects of my business. Computers aren't just some game for me, they're not toys... they're tools that help me run my business which in turns pays my bills! They should last a long time, and like any other tool, I'm going to use what I've already got and paid for until it ceases to function.
It only costs $0 if you're a home user. A business is going to spend a *ton* of money doing an OS upgrade. It's labor intensive, it's risk intensive, and if something breaks, then you're fucked. Again, the initial cost of software is NOT a deciding factor for most businesses. It's the ongoing support an maintenance. You couldn't pay me enough to "upgrade" all of my company's machines on a yearly basis. That's just insanity. Computers are like any other machine in a business. They're there to generate income. Downtime, maintenance, fixing makes those machines less valuable.
It's not such a good idea to EOL something when the support for that product is your sole means of income!! Besides, what sane IT manager is gonna put some really important data on a machine that will be technically obsolete and unsupportable by the manufacturer in a year? Redhat's credibility as a software company for real business applications has jsut gone down the toilet.
Growing accustomed to something doesn't mean it's a good thing.
The whole point of Redhat's very existence is SUPPORT. Their product is free. You pay for support. If support consists of a whopping year, then there's no way in hell I'd buy Redhat for my company. I'd just download it, and pay someone else for support. Redhat is essentially removing their very own source of revenue. In my opinion, this has got to be one fo the *worst* decisions possible for them. I don't care how easy/cheap an upgrade is... it's a real PITA that I want to do as little as possible. I bought W2K, and I expect to use it for many, many more years, regardless of whether something "better" comes out.
They were there for the same reason that everyone else was there: to sell stuff. It's that simple. There's no deep meaning philosophy behind it. No conspiracy. They're there to sell.
Joe Sixpack is learning how to use a desktop UI, isn't it far, far better for everyone if he becomes familiar with a publicly owned desktop, instead of one controlled and sold by a private corporation?
No, not necesarily. I'd love to hear why you think this is true.
The world was a better place when average user could go to the store, buy a cheap-o computer, plug it in, and use it to communicate, and to make their lives easier. That day's already here. What's gonna actually *happen* is everybody starts using a "public domain" OS?" Is the sky going to open up and choirs of angels will sing? Will everyone be bathed in wealth? What is this great thing that you talk about?
That's funny. Every time I see a Mac, I just can't help thinking of all of the Banana Republic-shopping, Ikea-buying, VW-driving ultra-feminine, super-sensitive men who love these things because they happen to match everything else they purchase. Ugh. That whole chrome new-wage techno-yuppie consumerism bullshit makes me sick. YOU ARE NOT YOUR COMPUTER.
And who is financially responsible for a problem with BIND, Sendmail, Apache, or MySQL?
And that's my problem, how, exactly? If you can't upload, then you shouldn't be downloading. There's nothing anybody can do to stop you, but you *shouldn't* be leeching. And, you can very easily cap your upload speed. People who are sharing zero files are generally just cut off and added to my ban list (via IP).
And this is good, how? Leechers *do* suck. What's the loss to just leave Kazaa up when you're not using it. Hell, I have a dial-up connection, and I just leave my copy of Kazaa up whenever I'm not using the machine. So, fuck you and your cheating program.
Honestly, who the hell cares? There are plenty of people, myself included, who hate that Ebay shit. Online auctions, buying questionable products from questionable sellers, piss-poor, complicated interfaces (especially EBay's). Blech. EBay is like Slashdot... it's own little self-contained universe of people who live there. He may have had his reputatino damaged within EBay, but EBay isn't the public at large. It's not like slander in a newspaper. It's one fucking website.
Worms that do this sort of thing will continue ad infinitum. The reason is that there's no financial detriment to having one of your own boxes act as a zombie and send out tons and tons of packets. None whatsoever. There's no central accountability. That's the way the Net is set up. I don't see any way around it.
What exactly does a Net worm have to do with the "world's economy"?
I can't wait to see what the OSS community does when completely unscrupulous companies in China, India and Africa start taking GPL code, closing the source, and selling it. I can't wait.
I'm not sure if the basic Oracle RDBMS package has that (again, a DBA familiar with SQL loader would know for sure), but there are definitely third party programs (such as Toad) that do that. Oracle is *very* modular. All that stuff isn't included in their basic databases. They're either Oracle or 3rd party add-ons. But, with Oracle being one of the oldest and most robust RDBMS' out there that's still alive (along with DB2), you can pretty much find a tool for any task for Oracle. Your data is not, contrary to what the poster said, in any way "locked" into Oracle.
Uh, it's called Adultdex. And yes, it is many, many times more fun than *any* computer conference.
Of course it doesn't. SQL isn't a format. It's a "Structured Query Language". I don't even know what you're trying to do.
As far as exporting, of course you can export. You can export whatever you want in virtually any format you want, and have been since, well, for as long as I remember. Ask a DBA.