Ok, fine, then based on OS usage, I'll revise my numbers to... less than 3%. How many people are actually doing this? You say "75% of your user group". Ok, so that's, what 10 people? Multiple that by 1000 user groups, that's 10,000 people in the US, if that many. I probably have more people using IE 2.0 than Mozilla users who are spoofing their browser type.
... governments controlling major POP's? How do you think that you get broadband in your bedroom? Big companies. If not for those big companies, the Net wouldn't exist. Everything costs money. You can't have your cake & eat it too.
Uh, horseshit. A Fortune 500 company refused to pay me for a bit of coding I did for 'em. I got a lawyer. He contacted their lawyers... a bit of back and forth happened, and I got paid. The courts can work. If you're in the right, then just a threat of legal action is often enough. If they know they can win, then they'll defend it. You've been watching too many movies.
Why is it unrealistic to see them spring up privately? Just lock it down and sell subscriptions. The gov't is around to provide for *essential* services (such as transportation and sanitation). Net access is far from essential. I don't have high speed anything now because I don't want it, and I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for it through my taxes, either.
People use IE because Netscape sucks, and has sucked for many, many years. It's slow and buggy as hell.
As far as what you call "standards", those have been irrelevant for years. "Standards" are defined as what people use as a basis for comparison. Last I checked, the W2C is pertty much ignored, and has been for years. The vast majority use IE, making it the standard. You can call it whatever you want, but that's the fact. You're spewing, well, complete and utter bullshit.
As far as rendering errors, Mozilla in all of it's bugginess is why there are several features that I can't add to my site. It doesn't support many different, very basic parts of the DOM, which have been sitting in Bugtraq for over a year now. Don't preach to me about IE not rendering correctly, when Mozilla can't even handle a scripted "click" method on an object.
I don't know what planet you've been on, but you clearly must be talking about IE 4.x.
Since Schulze's resignation on Sunday, 19-year-old Debian developer Jimmy Kaplowitz threw his hat into the ring, stating "Right now, SPI membership means very little other than a subscription to spi-private. We should involve the members, so that we can receive their input and ideas. This would involve more use of the public and members-only mailing lists, wherever it wouldn't violate confidentiality. I am thinking now of Nils Lohner's message to spi-general when membership was first introduced, and we need to again ask the members what they want the board to be doing.
"I would be honored to serve as an SPI board member, and I hope that I am given the chance."
This must be some prestigious organization if a 19 year old is offering to serve on the board...
Actually, I really don't like porn at all. I spend on average 10 minutes a day doing maintenance on the site, and that's it. Trust me, you see 10,000 or so pairs of tits & asses, and after that, they're all the same. Same thing for software, as far as I'm concerned. Oooh, look, another program that boots my computer. Oooh, yet another word processor. Wow. Ooooh, another web browser. It just sounds like the original poster may have some unhealthy obsession or worship type of thing going on... kinda creepy.
Yet people all over the planet flock to these god awful warehouses with shit inside called "stores". Believe it or not, it *is* possible not to shop at every big fucking giant mega store in existence. I do it all the time.
That's one god-awful store full of overpriced crap for dipshit execs with more cash than sense.
Funny, that's how I'd describe all of those big box retail slaughterhouses. I find it hard to believe that Best Buy is one iota different than Circuit City except for color scheme: Circuit City: Subdued blacks and tans, Best Buy: Screaming bright halogen spotlights in your face.
Well, my experience is very different. I've never had to rebuild a W2K box, and "maintenance" is an occasional check for new security patches. I just install and they work. On the other hand, I've never had a successful install of any kind of Linux. I've tried Redhad 6, Redhat 7.1, Suse, Slackware, Mandrake, Debian, and even Corel. Every single install either hung mid way through, and refused to continue, or if it managed to make it all of the way through an install, couldn't figure out the generic NIC, or the generic sound (for desktop boxes), or the video driver. And of course, the solutions was simply to figure out where some obscure text file was, find some settings that are more often than not not written in English, make the changes, and hope that the display still shows something afterwards. I will say that *once*, after only two hours, I figured out how to change the screen resolution so I could read the text on the screen. I've never had anything but problems with those damn things, and since I don't find troubleshooting as interesting as I once did (I was a phone jockey doing that for several years), I have no real reason to even bother to try again. On the other hand, paying a few hundred per box for a W2K license is *well* worth the time and aggravation I save by not having to do another Linux install for the rest of my natural life.
I didn't say that I didn't learn... simply that I don't learn completely useless shit that does nothing but aggravate my life. I prefer to spend my time on other, really interesting pursuits, such as business, cars, biking, photography, travel, etc. Computers are tools. That's it. Sounds like the parent poster either has virtually no life outside of his dorm room, or has a very unhealthy obsession with electronic equipment, both of which can be helped with some intensive therapy.
I looked at computers like that when I was 12. It was fun. Now that I'm a grownup with a life, and bills, and a family, I look at a computer and think, "What can this thing do to make my life easier?" Call me nuts.
I donate too. I donate to MS as a heartfelt "thanks" for truly making my life easier... For not having to deal with kernels, hardware drivers, slow, buggy windowing environments, or installations that take a week and a half. I "donate" for making a product that really *does* make my life easier, without having to spend years studying esoteric computer crap that has no bearing on my actual life.
I'm not anti corporate America. I'm anti Blockbuster just because they suck ass. That's all. I happen to own a small business that's competing against one of those soul-deadening chain of big-box warehouse stores (doing fine, btw), and I'm doing well because people like myself hate those damn places and the way they do business. But if generic Blockbuster with outrageous prices, annoying, minimum wage employo-drones, obnoxious advertising and store design, and piss poor selection is your bag, then I say, go for it.
I'm lucky enough to live in a place with like minded souls who demand a bit more than schlock like that. But then, you're probably a big fan of Wal-Mart and Best Buy too, aren't ya?
You made it worse by renting from Blockbuster, the largest and worst video rental company in the world. I find it hard to believe that even in a small town, there aren't several alternatives to shopping at Blockbuster. Their selection sucks ass (try getting anything remotely independent or disturbing there), their prices suck, and the company exists solely to crush every little mom and pop operation out there. So, in that one trip, you managed to add to the pocket lining of Lucas and Blockbuster. Bravo.
The Messenger Service hole was patched by MS weeks ago. Anyone running automatic updates, or anyone who does it reasonably often won't have this problem.
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First off, I never commented on Win 98. Win 98 is a piece of shit. I'm commenting on W2K, MS's best OS currently, and the only one that I'm using right now, which does have a good bit of scripting support, including the ability to create shares via the command prompt.
Secondly, MS has nothing to do with command prompt interfaces of third party utlities. I have several utilities that I wrote for myself, and they all have command line interfaces so that I can fire them with an AT job. Work just fine. If the utility has no command line interface, then that's the fault of the utility. That's like me saying that Mozilla is a buggy, slow, pile of crap, so Linux is too. Makes no sense.
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How is this garbage? Does the WSH really not exist? Does it not work? Am I imagining things? Is that a fake URL? Please, educate me, oh great one. The *last* thing that I would want is for someone as great and powerful and all-knowing such as yourself to laugh at me! I kneel before the great, unemployed OSS zealot kids everywhere. Forgiveness, please.
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No, Windows has had scripting available for years. That's something that most OSS zealots like to pretend doesn't exist so that they can say "there's no command prompt support, and no way to do scripting in W2K!", but it's there, and it's been there for years and years.
I *had* to install Win 95 on a machine the other night... Got a new (old) USR modem that needed to be flashed to work with W2K, and the flash utils only worked in Win 95. Glad I still have my giant CD library of old OS's & apps! I would've been sunk.
But let me tell you, just installing and launching that sucker brought back so many bad memories. I guess it wasn't bad at the time, considering there weren't any real alternatives (other than shelling out a shitload for a Mac), but wow... Win 95 seems ancient now.
I have no idea. Redhat 7.1 I think. Generic install, chose the defaults, just like I do with W2K. I don't really have time to dick around with it. Either it works or it doesn't. Redhat didn't work.
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Ok, fine, then based on OS usage, I'll revise my numbers to ... less than 3%. How many people are actually doing this? You say "75% of your user group". Ok, so that's, what 10 people? Multiple that by 1000 user groups, that's 10,000 people in the US, if that many. I probably have more people using IE 2.0 than Mozilla users who are spoofing their browser type.
There's MS spyware in IE? Do tell, troll.
For me, non-IE users are only somewhere around 3% of my 10 million or so hits monthly.
... governments controlling major POP's? How do you think that you get broadband in your bedroom? Big companies. If not for those big companies, the Net wouldn't exist. Everything costs money. You can't have your cake & eat it too.
Uh, horseshit. A Fortune 500 company refused to pay me for a bit of coding I did for 'em. I got a lawyer. He contacted their lawyers... a bit of back and forth happened, and I got paid. The courts can work. If you're in the right, then just a threat of legal action is often enough. If they know they can win, then they'll defend it. You've been watching too many movies.
Big difference. You can't "share" what you don't own.
Since when was it a geek requirement to not use Windows? If some law was passed about this, then somebody obviously didn't tell me.
There *are* geeks that don't spend their lives obsessing over OS's, you know. I'm one of 'em.
Why is it unrealistic to see them spring up privately? Just lock it down and sell subscriptions. The gov't is around to provide for *essential* services (such as transportation and sanitation). Net access is far from essential. I don't have high speed anything now because I don't want it, and I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for it through my taxes, either.
Oh, and you're not spouting FUD??
People use IE because Netscape sucks, and has sucked for many, many years. It's slow and buggy as hell.
As far as what you call "standards", those have been irrelevant for years. "Standards" are defined as what people use as a basis for comparison. Last I checked, the W2C is pertty much ignored, and has been for years. The vast majority use IE, making it the standard. You can call it whatever you want, but that's the fact. You're spewing, well, complete and utter bullshit.
As far as rendering errors, Mozilla in all of it's bugginess is why there are several features that I can't add to my site. It doesn't support many different, very basic parts of the DOM, which have been sitting in Bugtraq for over a year now. Don't preach to me about IE not rendering correctly, when Mozilla can't even handle a scripted "click" method on an object.
I don't know what planet you've been on, but you clearly must be talking about IE 4.x.
Since Schulze's resignation on Sunday, 19-year-old Debian developer Jimmy Kaplowitz threw his hat into the ring, stating "Right now, SPI membership means very little other than a subscription to spi-private. We should involve the members, so that we can receive their input and ideas. This would involve more use of the public and members-only mailing lists, wherever it wouldn't violate confidentiality. I am thinking now of Nils Lohner's message to spi-general when membership was first introduced, and we need to again ask the members what they want the board to be doing.
"I would be honored to serve as an SPI board member, and I hope that I am given the chance."
This must be some prestigious organization if a 19 year old is offering to serve on the board...
Actually, I really don't like porn at all. I spend on average 10 minutes a day doing maintenance on the site, and that's it. Trust me, you see 10,000 or so pairs of tits & asses, and after that, they're all the same. Same thing for software, as far as I'm concerned. Oooh, look, another program that boots my computer. Oooh, yet another word processor. Wow. Ooooh, another web browser. It just sounds like the original poster may have some unhealthy obsession or worship type of thing going on... kinda creepy.
Yet people all over the planet flock to these god awful warehouses with shit inside called "stores". Believe it or not, it *is* possible not to shop at every big fucking giant mega store in existence. I do it all the time.
That's one god-awful store full of overpriced crap for dipshit execs with more cash than sense.
Funny, that's how I'd describe all of those big box retail slaughterhouses. I find it hard to believe that Best Buy is one iota different than Circuit City except for color scheme: Circuit City: Subdued blacks and tans, Best Buy: Screaming bright halogen spotlights in your face.
Well, my experience is very different. I've never had to rebuild a W2K box, and "maintenance" is an occasional check for new security patches. I just install and they work. On the other hand, I've never had a successful install of any kind of Linux. I've tried Redhad 6, Redhat 7.1, Suse, Slackware, Mandrake, Debian, and even Corel. Every single install either hung mid way through, and refused to continue, or if it managed to make it all of the way through an install, couldn't figure out the generic NIC, or the generic sound (for desktop boxes), or the video driver. And of course, the solutions was simply to figure out where some obscure text file was, find some settings that are more often than not not written in English, make the changes, and hope that the display still shows something afterwards. I will say that *once*, after only two hours, I figured out how to change the screen resolution so I could read the text on the screen. I've never had anything but problems with those damn things, and since I don't find troubleshooting as interesting as I once did (I was a phone jockey doing that for several years), I have no real reason to even bother to try again. On the other hand, paying a few hundred per box for a W2K license is *well* worth the time and aggravation I save by not having to do another Linux install for the rest of my natural life.
I didn't say that I didn't learn... simply that I don't learn completely useless shit that does nothing but aggravate my life. I prefer to spend my time on other, really interesting pursuits, such as business, cars, biking, photography, travel, etc. Computers are tools. That's it. Sounds like the parent poster either has virtually no life outside of his dorm room, or has a very unhealthy obsession with electronic equipment, both of which can be helped with some intensive therapy.
I looked at computers like that when I was 12. It was fun. Now that I'm a grownup with a life, and bills, and a family, I look at a computer and think, "What can this thing do to make my life easier?" Call me nuts.
I donate too. I donate to MS as a heartfelt "thanks" for truly making my life easier... For not having to deal with kernels, hardware drivers, slow, buggy windowing environments, or installations that take a week and a half. I "donate" for making a product that really *does* make my life easier, without having to spend years studying esoteric computer crap that has no bearing on my actual life.
I'm not anti corporate America. I'm anti Blockbuster just because they suck ass. That's all. I happen to own a small business that's competing against one of those soul-deadening chain of big-box warehouse stores (doing fine, btw), and I'm doing well because people like myself hate those damn places and the way they do business. But if generic Blockbuster with outrageous prices, annoying, minimum wage employo-drones, obnoxious advertising and store design, and piss poor selection is your bag, then I say, go for it.
I'm lucky enough to live in a place with like minded souls who demand a bit more than schlock like that. But then, you're probably a big fan of Wal-Mart and Best Buy too, aren't ya?
You made it worse by renting from Blockbuster, the largest and worst video rental company in the world. I find it hard to believe that even in a small town, there aren't several alternatives to shopping at Blockbuster. Their selection sucks ass (try getting anything remotely independent or disturbing there), their prices suck, and the company exists solely to crush every little mom and pop operation out there. So, in that one trip, you managed to add to the pocket lining of Lucas and Blockbuster. Bravo.
Acknowledgement is part of the POP3 protocol.
The Messenger Service hole was patched by MS weeks ago. Anyone running automatic updates, or anyone who does it reasonably often won't have this problem.
First off, I never commented on Win 98. Win 98 is a piece of shit. I'm commenting on W2K, MS's best OS currently, and the only one that I'm using right now, which does have a good bit of scripting support, including the ability to create shares via the command prompt.
Secondly, MS has nothing to do with command prompt interfaces of third party utlities. I have several utilities that I wrote for myself, and they all have command line interfaces so that I can fire them with an AT job. Work just fine. If the utility has no command line interface, then that's the fault of the utility. That's like me saying that Mozilla is a buggy, slow, pile of crap, so Linux is too. Makes no sense.
How is this garbage? Does the WSH really not exist? Does it not work? Am I imagining things? Is that a fake URL? Please, educate me, oh great one. The *last* thing that I would want is for someone as great and powerful and all-knowing such as yourself to laugh at me! I kneel before the great, unemployed OSS zealot kids everywhere. Forgiveness, please.
Ass.
No, Windows has had scripting available for years. That's something that most OSS zealots like to pretend doesn't exist so that they can say "there's no command prompt support, and no way to do scripting in W2K!", but it's there, and it's been there for years and years.
I *had* to install Win 95 on a machine the other night... Got a new (old) USR modem that needed to be flashed to work with W2K, and the flash utils only worked in Win 95. Glad I still have my giant CD library of old OS's & apps! I would've been sunk.
But let me tell you, just installing and launching that sucker brought back so many bad memories. I guess it wasn't bad at the time, considering there weren't any real alternatives (other than shelling out a shitload for a Mac), but wow... Win 95 seems ancient now.
I have no idea. Redhat 7.1 I think. Generic install, chose the defaults, just like I do with W2K. I don't really have time to dick around with it. Either it works or it doesn't. Redhat didn't work.