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bigfatlamer writes "This week's NY Times City Section has an article (FRRYYY) on wireless access in New York City's busiest park, Bryant Park. The director of the park has installed a free 802.11b network with complete coverage of the park with help from NYC Wireless. From the article: 'With some clever engineering and hardware from Cisco Systems and Intel, the wireless park was born. Just as park users could sit wherever they liked, so too could they gain access where they liked. The eight-megabytes-per-second connection was as free as the sunshine and the green grass.' NYC Wireless is currently working with the Parks Dept. to put similar networks in Madison Square and Tompkins Square Parks. If they could do Prospect Park (3 blocks from my house) life would be perfect." NYCwireless helps those who help themselves...
Now, if we could only get people that care and have power/money to look into my wireless scheme for Tallahassee!
1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: The Wireless City.
4: Profit!
We have cityless wires!
Are there any plans to do 802.11A around the park, as well? BTW FP.
... and Pringles sales skyrocket!
they did it over here, my life would be ruined!
I'd love to see a wide-open WiFi access system installed at my local park, but I'm concerned that the network might be abused for use in spamming, DOSing, or other hacking. What logical restrictions should be put on a public WiFi center so that the majority of good people can enjoy the system while the small number of people who would do the Internet harm are foiled?
As much as we want the 'net to be privately funded, it seems pretty unrealistic to expect networks like this to spring up privately. Like the road system, or sanitation, shouldn't access be a utility?
--v.
Relaxing with your laptop while sitting on a bench... as long as it doesn't burn your penis.
Free Internet Access?
Free Information?
What is this world coming to! Perhaps someone will get wise, and charge admission to enter the park. Yes... that sounds typically American.
It would be nice to get something like that here in New Orleans. Wishful thinking on my part... I just had a 30 minute conversation with a coworker explaining this newfangled internet thing.
http://nomoneydownnews.com/
...The perfect day to go leech Gigs of pr0n in the park for free!
Come on! Smile! You know you want to...
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
In this case, "free network" means that computers are free to network with each other as long as they are in the park, or that the park has free (wireless) internet access as well?
I guess a free Internet would be expensive for the provider and slow for the user... however I don't think it would be very difficult to have your own provider giving you access (for which you are already paying) wherever you are.
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Block everything but port 80. unless you log in via an authentication system. I can see it becoming a giant liability as soon as one joker spams or sends his joke "threats" to whitehouse and senate officials.
It's great to offer free, I do... but I require that you prove who you are to me and give me a way of nailing your balls to the wall when you get out of line. for full access.... it's worked great, and I've only had one instance where I gladly gave the police the information about one user...(Yes, I'll rat on your arse in a second too..) and found out it was a joke by a friend of his.. but it kept my butt out of trouble.
Authenticate, and require proof of who they are before you give anything other than port 80 outgoing only.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Doesnt this have security implications? If someone can anonymously access the net there is no way to trace them back...seems like the ideal camoflauge for anyone up to no good.
What does that stand for?
"Free Registration Required, Yo Yo Yo"?
Walker in the Wireless City
I heard that there was a nycwireless node in Rector Park, which is a little park in Battery Park City surrounded by appartment buildings. So one day a couple of weeks ago i was walking past and figured i would give it a go. Opened my ibook, fired up macstumbler and found about 2 dozen nets, 2 of which were nycwireless. I was able to connect to and use all of the ones i tried, thought the nycwireless ones by far had the best signal. I'm willing to bet that if you go and sit near enough to some upscale apartment buildings (or for that matter, live in one) you can be pretty sure of getting access for free. It seems that most people think these things are plug and play.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
NYCwireless looks like a great initiative, but I have to wonder how sustainable not-for-profit wireless networks like this are. Even if sponsorship covers the initial infrastructure (and I can see a "give 'em the network, sell 'em the network adapters" strategy perhaps working for Lucent, Cisco, et. al.), there must be a substantial ongoing operational cost. Does anyone know whether NYCwireless or any similar operations have announced their long-term strategies?
Please donate your spare CPU cycles to help fight cancer and other diseases
Now I have a reason to go to NY :0
this is great news. the drug dealers in the park will be especially happy - they can create a web service infrastructure with their suppliers! .NET has its first customer!!
smd4985
I don't think you're going to attract too many wireless nerds with THAT approach.
I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
Now if they could set up wireless access on the beaches here in Florida, we would have something!
Free Wireless Internet in the Park, thats what its all about?
Well, at least it's not the Hokey Pokey. Thank god for small miracles.
They forgot to add free as the smell of dog-shit, annoying joggers, muggers, pick-pockets, mumbling homeless people, ranting homeless people, hari-krishnas, and I'm sure the occasional "hey, wanna buy a watch" guy.
Sorry, never been there, I'm sure its nice.
I am tired of the usual diatribe from security people that bandwidth is this great outlet for danger. Any system could be used for DOS, DDOS, Spam, spoofing, hacking onto other machines in the park, secret Chinese spy deals, and more. Get over it.
Some would liken IP connectivity to a printing press, and argue the company providing the press must watch each item printed against copyrighted, subversive, or pornographic works. Others would argue it is like electricity, a utility that is provided fairly cheaply after the initial wiring is installed, and need not be charged for at all for small amounts. The few who see it as a wilderness, full of abuse and crime and desparados checking for weakness tend to sell computer security services.
Please allow me to translate for all left wondering.
Note: These are not my views, only what I'm reading between the lines of the previous poster's comments.
"What security precautions have they taken to ensure that terrorists don't utilize this wireless connectivity to access bomb-making instructions from the Internet?"
Are they spying on everyone who uses the network? If not, they should. Can't have those hackers/terrorists/pedophiles/'bad people'/etc using the network; only Good People(tm).
"And even if they've been responsible enough to put a filter on the information available,"
And even if they're 'responsible' enough to censor the information (in violation of the first amendment),
"what about all the non-savvy folk in the park who don't have firewalls?"
We need to protect people from themselves; save the children; treat all people like children - pick any of the above.
"Are we to just stand by while their hard drives are violated by swarthy assailants?"
We need to arrest all 'hackers' and those thinking about 'hacking'. We also need to force security software and anti-virus software on all users of the network regardless of whether it will cause problems for them or whether they want it or not.
Hmm.. wouldn't it be easier to shoot all the citizens instead of trying to mess with all this? That seems to be the Final Solution(tm) you're seeking here anyway.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Dictatorship.
Slashdot reports trivial news about wireless while the
Cheney-Rumsfeld Dictatorship plots to enslave U.S. residents as it broadens its Meta-Wars Against Countries That Opposes U.S. Business Interests
Put that in your bong and inhale!
Be Patriotic: Smoke Amerikan Grown Marijuana.
Cheers,
Woot
Amazing that this park is run by a private company and not by the city?
See company's can do nice things...
Don't bash all of them
Pah! I am sitting in Oakland (home of U Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon) with my iBook on a free Telerama connection. Apart from Telerama (which will turn to a paid service when they have the entire city covered), the City of Pittsburgh has a free net downtown, and Telerama and others cover all major neighborhoods.
When Telerama starts charging, I'll just cancel my ISP and use them everywhere. Free would be nice, but my ISP getting me wireless access everywhere in the city is great too.
Of course, Pitt, CMU and Duquesne have their own wireless points all over for their students/staff. It's already reality in Pittsburgh, buddy.
Lies about crimes
Or should that be MIME types?
Interactive, engaging and site-specific applications are a click away. The Dialtone Symphony (.ram) is wholly produced through the choreographed ringing of people's own cell phones. Here are some other ideas:
The Public Review Draft of Portland's Waterfront Park Master Plan is available on-line.
The Morrison Bridge, in the center of Waterfront Park, has phone line access. An Orinoco 2500 ($1000) could drive Wi-Fi repeaters on the north end (near Saturday Market) and the south end, (near the Alexis Hotel), providing blanket coverage. The repeaters could be camouflaged as animals or Oregon historic figures. Waterfront Park also has a direct shot to the Council Crest tower where Winfield Wireless has a wireless ISP.
Rent out Segway Scooters with built-in Pocket PCs. Your GPS position would trigger Oregon Historical Society's Narrated Neighborhood Tours, Portland Visitor's Association's Self-Guided Tours, Portland Metro Maps or Lewis and Clark Maps. Wireless cameras could be helpful for the police, too.
Jacksonville Florida's free wireless hot spots provide tourist information as well as internet access. Multi-lingual kiosks, incorporating webtablets with language translation are available now. Text to speech can be output in a variety of languages. And it sounds good. Human voice samples are now incorporated into text to speech. Choose a language, respond by voice.
Parks have not caught up with the wireless society. Let's make it happen!
I once considered taking a driving tour of the South as a vacation, with a stop in New Orleans among other places. I never did take the trip, but I *did* manage to scratch New Orleans off my list of destinations when I discovered that more than one travel guide took pains to point out that street crime in broad daylight (even on a crowded street) is quite common, and that if you look like anything remotely resembling a tourist, you're just asking to become a victim.
<sarcasm>So sure, I'd looooove to sit on a bench somewhere and pull out my laptop, in that environment.</sarcasm>
Ahh, a peaceful day in the park. Trees waving in the wind, birds singing, and geeks typing furiously.
Personally, I go to the local park to get some fresh air, look at something other than Windows and get a modicum amount of exercise.
The last thing I want to do is check my email.
not that you mind, even when they use barbed-wire cock. Or shall I say, ESPECIALLY when they use BWC
A wave of laptop-jacking begins...
I figure if an apartment sets up wireless and leases a T1 for the tenants, around 35 tenants sign up at $30/month, and your internet is payed for and high speed.. viva la resistance.
Sounds good, we volunteer you to be the first. Come'on, bend over.
Think about all those sunbathing girls that will be in need for tech support.
Doing things well will... earn you a suntan cream application rights!
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I can see it now, your browsing the web and listning to some performance on the stage in NYC while the traffic flows besides you and bam an ad for Mickey Dees pops up, or heck some dude delivers food on his bike based on your order from the park. Good deal.
you better not run any portal servers from there or you'll get sued by "Linkin" Park!
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A whole new meaning to "the government providing a service".
Why do I post this anonymously ? Because I can get at SO many secret things there, and SO much bandwidth, that I don't want them tightening up....
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/24/nyregion/24FEAT. html?ex=1038978000&en=5e68a294ddda428c&ei=5062&par tner=goatse.cx
Homeland security secretary Ridge today ordered thousands of law enforcement officers to scour the grounds of Central Park looking for a warez web server believed to be operating from a remote control car.
The number of people mugged for their laptops and PDAs in New York's Bryant Park has increased dramatically recently. NY Police are baffled.
-psy
first was the cyber-café, now the cyber-park...
what's next??? cyberspace???
some day are people debating if someone really hacked into that big mainfraine and if it was made of cheese....
In the Wireless Network I worked for on my city, we had quite a few problems with kids using bandwidth for piracy and whatnot. As a result, we unfortunately had to block p2p ports, but the free service has been good for our community.
The eight-megabytes-per-second connection was as free...
Ok, am I the only one who caught this? I'm hoping (not really) that it's a terminology error, because a 64mbps connection sounds real, real nice, especially when it's free.
The project as a whole, though, sounds very cool. I think I would like to try that out when I go this summer.
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A Jedi needs not registration.
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Go back in your house and sit quietly as your elected officials will take care of you. They are just trying to protect you. They are your representitives don't you know?
> The Constitution doesn't say you can read
> whatever you want, only that you can say
> whatever you want.
Fortunately, the Supreme Court has found those
two things to be equivalent.
Ya put yer high bit out
Ya put yer high bit in, and ya twiddle it about.
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Wow. It's been awhile since I checked on the status of NYC Wireless, and lo and behold, 2 nodes on my block in Brooklyn, Carroll Gardens! I'll have to add mine to the list later in the week. Coffee and Slashdot from the bench outside Mazolla'a Bakery!
Not to mention I work down the block from Bryant Park in Manhattan. And of course, every other big corporate presence in midtown has 1 or 2 unsecured WAP's.
Time to pick up a Dremel tool and a can of Pringles...
I wasn't sure about the bait you were usin' there, but this one's a keeper.
Personally, I'd love to see a public wireless access point in Tompkins. I spend a great deal of my time in the coffee shops next to the park (alt.coffee and pick me up) and would consider dragging my laptop out with me if the range was sufficient. I had been considering getting one of the Sprint PCS Vision plans, but a few public access points would make this less of a necessity. Also, depending on where they put the transmitter, my roof may be line of site (from E3rd between C and D). I could definitely be inspired to set up a pringles can and see how it goes.
On a related note -- I have a Linksys WAP11 in my apartment and recently stopped bothering with the encryption, figuring that if anyone else in my building wanted to use it, I don't really mind. However, I'd love to know if they were. Is there anyway you can check out who using the connection short of just sniffing the LAN for packets that are not your own?
What happens when someone starts using that free connection to hack people/companies?
Or are there lots of cameras in the parks with automatic facial recognition?
Get your own free personal location tracker
Umm, I think that was supposed to read "eight mega-BITS per second." I wish I had eight megabytes per second on my wired networks.
Never look down your nose at others. Someday, someone is bound to see your boogers.
...because according to the Bryant Park People NYCWireless is run by a bunch of computer wizards!
Cue The Sun...
But does that actually take you to goatse?
I'm at work & I'm not trying it.
From thier site:
That is a little better than just Bryant Park.
Pardon my ignorance on this, but what would the options be for using a public WiFi AP securely?
I assume that WEP (yes, I know that WEP != "secure") would be turned off, so what does that leave?
ssh tunnel?
IPSec?
Anything else?
"They are your representitives don't you know?"
Not true at all. John Ashcroft isn't. He lost his election bid to a dead manand neither is this guy.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Yeah! I'm 2 blocks from Propect Park and I want my wireless, too!
New York City's busiest park
In what units does one measure "business"?
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Someone already ripped the part about censorship being legal and right, so I'll work over the next part.
"And it only applies to Americans anyway, not illegal immigrants."
Ever heard the saying, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? If you deny basic rights to guests in our country (be they here legally or otherwise) then you run the risk of your citizens being treated very poorly elsewhere around the world. If you truly believe in the value of freedom and democracy, then you'll have no problem overlooking where those practicing said freedom are from.
Selectively applied freedom is the definition of tyranny.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
As someone who lives in alphabet city- I wouldn't recommended hanging out in Tompkins Square Park with a laptop.
Btw, this one actualy makes sense, like the soviets would wire things up without purpose, etc...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Once they SSH out they're back in their own system, and acountable again. Unless they are connecting to a hacked box, but they wouldn't be able to hack their first one from the park anyway.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Glad to see the city thinks fiscal responsability is a good thing.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
What is the difference between what your suggesting and efforts by the RIAA and others to ban computers with DRM? Lets cripple technology so people can't do bad things.
In this case, it's even stupider. You're basically saying we should put restrictions on everyone because some people haven't bothered keep up with security patches. As far as spamming goes, well I might agree with an SMTP block, but that has more to do with the fact that SMTP is an obsolete protocol, and there's no real reason to be running a mail server from a park with (I'm assuming) a DHCP address.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Check out this great story on the park:
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http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?record=109
I think this is a great model for how we can more wireless access in public areas...
Now I just a need a new battery for my laptop. But it's a start.
Nice troll attempt. Like most other clue-challenged individuals who fall (or blisfully ignorant dive on purpose) into this trap, you are comparing the apples of communications in a private context with the oranges of government attempting to control speech, especially political speech. It is the latter which is protected by the first amendment.
Just because someone gives you internet access does not mean that they owe you a pedestal. In a private context (such as a workplace or even a public park) the provider of the services can do whatever the hell they want to do. If you don't like it, get off your fat duff and go somewhere else, or better yet, go start your own venture where you can attract all others of your ilk - you can call it "ClueLessNet".
Thanks for the "translation." It's worth even less than I paid for it.
Duh,
-Steve
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
Yes. Thank heaven we can speak and rely on something other than appetites and raw strength to settle our differences.
Now why aren't you advocating going back to grunts and the law of the (physically) stronger?
And besides: rape is a crime; murder is a crime. Rape and murder are intertwined in same evolution you see justifying its "naturalness". I would therefore like to kill you.
Well, sorry to disappoint, but I wasn't trolling. On the other hand, calling me names, insulting me, etc simply shows that even you place little value in your argument. So let's take a look at the only identifiable argument in your comment, shall we?
"you are comparing the apples of communications in a private context with the oranges of government attempting to control speech, especially political speech. It is the latter which is protected by the first amendment."
No, I wasn't talking about evesdropping at all. In fact, I don't think I ever once mentioned anything about evesdropping in that comment. The reason? In a public place using a public service, you have little expectation of privacy; especially with something as inherently insecure as 802.11b. On the other hand, the government selectively making websites unavailable to users is censorship, and is a violation of the first amendment as interpreted many, many times by the Supreme Court. The right to be heard is just as important as the right to speak. As for someone giving me internet access, I have a reasonable expectation that they will comply with a privacy policy which is made available to me upon request.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
I live directly across from it on 7th street (East Village).
:)
I wonder if I'll be able to tap into the network for free.
The city has been trying to pimp this area for a while now, it was really bad years ago. I guess they'll do anything to get MORE people here (E. Village = one big ass bar and resturant)
SSH/port 22 was open during the past summer. 21 might have been; I'm not sure, since I always SSH.
That's the park where they do the pregame report for football games on CBS. They also have fashion shows and an occasional circus.
You introduced the word "evesdropping."
On the other hand, the government selectively making websites unavailable to users is censorship, and is a violation of the first amendment as interpreted many, many times by the Supreme Court.
I don't suppose that you could cite any cases, either already seen by the Supreme Court, or pending before the Supreme Court, that address the very common situation of public libraries (i.e. government entities) making websites unavailable.
The right to be heard is just as important as the right to speak.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but there is no right to be heard.
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
How long until someone hides a fixed antenna in the park, relays it to its home over a wireless 2GHz or even a line, and use it 24/7? Will the park owner get fined/trialed if P2P starts blooming over its park?
How's the coverage in the buildings close to the park by the way? Will appartments there cost more thanks to the free broadband wireless internet?
...using your laptop out there in anything approaching direct sunlight...
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
fool. the problem isn't that open networks allow people to spam. your cited problem was that your IT department insufficiently configured their mail servers to deny, as you said, "untrusted" servers.
this is precisely the problem. people are usually of one of two mindsets in this regard. either they want to limit inherent functionality of the network to preclude undesired use, or they understand that undesired use is inevitable and you simply have to protect yourself as necessary.
stop fucking with the network. stick to securing your piece of it if it's so important to you.
...then you could score dope AND surf the net.
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper!" - George W. Bush Nov. 2005
I've been looking for an article published in the last month (cant' find it, darn it), but I think Bryant Park has been privately run for a few years. It used to be terrible, then the city decided to hand it over to a corporation. Now they have private police, charge good sized rents to vendors who want to sell goods there, and people who want to go. It used to be full of muggers, vagrants, and drug dealers.
I thought the idea of having a park or 'greenbelt' was to be able to get AWAY from being wired, E-mailed, phoned, etc.?
This idea came to mind because, just last week, my wife and I got subjected to at least two morons in the movie theater who didn't turn their phones off. Damn things rang right in the middle of a couple of good scenes in 'Harry Potter.'
I will grant that any wireless device can be a useful tool, but let's not forget where the "Off" switch is, OK? There's enough stress in the world already.
Bruce Lane, KC7GR,
Blue Feather Technologies
i wonder if it has anything to do with the zillion dollar fashion shows held at bryant park twice a year...they give out free booze in bryant park during the fashion shows...something is sketchy about all this.
First, if you're going to make an ass of yourself, have some spine and don't do it as an AC.
this is precisely the problem. people are usually of one of two mindsets in this regard. either they want to limit inherent functionality of the network to preclude undesired use, or they understand that undesired use is inevitable and you simply have to protect yourself as necessary.
Actually, if you had bothered to really consider my comment, you'd have grasped that I am of the mind that *both* mindsets are worthwhile.
If you offer network/internet connectivity, you have a responsibility to try to make it as tight as possible. You don't set up an open mail relay, blah, blah, blah.
Now, as per my previous statement, you need to assume that the network you're connected to (that is, the internet) is insecure and that you *will* face such things as spam or DOS attacks and whatnot coming from outside your boundry router. For that reason, the position that you advocate is indeed also worthwhile.
Protect your network, sure, but the most you can do is stop it when it gets to your network. That's still load on your connection to the outside network or a load on your mail servers...etc.
Actually, NYC's density is both a godsend and a burden. Yes, there is some node overlap, but there are plenty of dead zones too. And although the theoretical range of 802.11b is measured in hundreds of feet, the heavy radio saturation in Manhattan (cordless phones, microwaves, etc) and older buildings (thick walls) can drop the effective range of these boxes to less than 100 ft. I know b/c I have three nodes on nycwirelss - one in Manhattan and two in Brooklyn. The one in Manhattan is within 500 feet of two universities and a major broadcaster. I had to install a high gain antenna on the midtown router to get coverage similar to the range i get on my two nodes in Bklyn.
can you here me now? can you here me now?
heh... i'm so mean...
good job technology!
Runnin' On Empty
http://isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/wi-fi_briefs/ 2002/021121.html
Well since all that's been release from IEEE that is being including in manufacturing of wireless products now is 802.11b which has no reliable sense of security built in, you can bet I'll be grabing your PST files and reading your love notes.
The private companies and park services will have to wait until Q3 of 2003 before 802.11G is approved by IEEE and manufacturers start to make Wireless secure.
HACK THE PLANET!!!!!! HACK THE PLANET!!!!
reassign null to be the tape device - it's so much more economical on my time as I don't have to change tapes_BOFH
This is GREAT! Now the scum of New York City can sit in the park and surf kiddie pr0n on the taxpayer's dime. What a breakthrough.
How long before the dorks start demonstrating for free laptops to surf on?
In other news, New York State is going to raise taxes because they have a budget shortfall of BILLIONS of dollars. Gee, I wonder why that is?
What you do with your own network is your business, if you're afraid of legal trouble, its your choice. But calling other people idiots for not doing pulling the same restrictions is asinine. Who is going to press charges on the NYC parks dep. for some hack-job? You seem to be saying any anonymous use of the Internet is dangerous, and shouldn't be allowed. Not that offering it opens you up to liability.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
the only port you need is right here: *bam*
Where does it say in the constitution that the government is only allowed to supply essential services?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
But someone at the NYT might wonder what this 'goatse.cx' thing is their logs...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
manhattan has the highest population density of anywhere in the world. It works out to just one 6x6 meter square per person.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Yay, now New Yorkers can step outside and Kazaa themselves to oblivion without fear of busting their cable provider's monthly download allowance.
I need to move out of Canada, like, now.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
You are the dense one! Learn English grammar maybe before you post next time so your sentences don't run into one another! What a fuckin idiot you are-my mother can setup a network since it's so simple nowadays, but it takes intelligence to type, obviously something you don't have.
Hey BTW, can I borrow your car, wallet and a ski mask for a few minutes?
No, but you're so fucked you'd probably lend it to me.
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