Unconstitutional or not, whether it's a good idea or not is another question for me. What I wonder about it isn't it like trying to ban someone from using the phone system (or the postal system) when they can easily go out and get an untraceable mobile handset and simcard?
I'm surprised it took rather long to supposedly come out with these. Traffic lights around NZ have used LEDs for some time, and since they arrived a few years ago, I've been waiting for consumer bulbs in the supermarket. I see they're not uncommon in other countries, though, a la howstuffworks and Google (the howstuffworks link explains the benefits and another google search explains some history).
At least there's LED torches to keep me happy in the meantime while I wait for those floodlights to make their way here.
If only... last time I checked, ANZUS was dead.:(
I think I'd have more chance claiming on my government natural disaster insurance policy than seeing the US protect us again.:)
Doesn't photocopying a large amount cost more than just buying a copy of the book in the first place?
I see your point. At least with a 600-page book. But with smaller books that were hard to get hold of, I'm pretty sure I did see large swathes of books get photocopied. Even if not in one sitting.:) So I don't think my comments were completely nutty.
He said the proposal was inconsistent. "They're not saying it's okay to copy Lord of the Rings from one DVD to another, but it's okay to copy Brooke Fraser from one CD to another. It's farcical."
So, what this Sony executive is trying to say is because the law being thought of wants to take one baby step at a time, that's a wrong? So what if we were to (assuming he were correct) legalise CD format shifting now, and do DVD format shifting later?
Also, the title of the article, 'Industry warns of legal CD piracy', seems a bit misleading. This so called 'piracy' they've been talking about has gone on for years. Why should I be a criminal for taking a vague interpretation of the vague fair use provisions in the Copyright Act 1994 for not wanting to put in my CDs into my computer every single time? (Maybe they want me to buy an oversized laptop with a 3- or 5-disc CD-RW changer;) and charge me $5 billion or so...) They force me to put in CDs one by one every time (hard to shuffle over multiple CDs with just a one-disc player, too) and they're soon going to alienate me through the sheer inconvenience of that... let alone lugging around my CDs. Come on, keep your customers happy!
Another alientation I recall is the last Jewel album I checked out required me to install software just to play that particular CD. Ugh.
Earlier...... Many of the larger dairies had them. They had the appropriate part of the copyright act printed on them, along with a note that they are not to be used for copyright violation, however they had bigger writing saying things like 'back up your music and data'. They seemed to vanish part way through last year, likely due to a recording industry crack down... -- interesting how the notices work for libraries but didn't work for these guys... but I guess if you were able to burn your 'data' to CD-R in the first place, you'd've access to a burner to do a second copy.:)
Which brings me to my point: of whether those download stations for digitised music I hear some music store chains were thinking of will happen?
However, I was thinking more in a 'walk down the street' context. -- Ah, Dunedin. I was trying to figure out where you were from, as I remembered the reports but not the place.:)
I suppose you were asking a rhetorical question but I couldn't help replying.:)
You mean tentacles, right?
I guess.:) Though on reflection saying Mafia(TM) to describe their double standards/talk sounds just as amusing. At least though I see the local 'Sony Style' shop in Wellington doesn't stock their associated record label's CDs. (Disclaimer: I didn't look too hard through their window, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had a small stock, actually.)
I remember hearing on triple js' morning show (which has since morphed into Hack, that although the record label arm of the company doesn't like the electronics arm selling products that are used to copy music, they make too much profit for upper managment to tell them to stop. IIRC they were interviewing someone from Sony.
Analogy: you're thinking that now they've sampled the drug of double talk, they're addicted to it, at risk of their morals?
Before I start, I don't mean to start some flamebait here. To me I just get the impression that AMD are desperately trying to play catch-up with Intel's Centrino campaign, and on the cheap. (Then again, despite an official list of 'certified' hotspots on their website, Intel aren't promoting it much.) And, alas, doing it wrong.
What if my CDs have been stolen? Assuming I can prove that I purchased them and haven't re-sold them (however I might do that)
I'd imagine it'd be a trip to the insurance company to claim on your contents insurance. If the excess and or no claims bonus weren't too hefty.:( Damn.
This was the bit troubling me with P2P file sharing technology. There's other uses for the technology. Likewise with CD-Rs, I use them mostly for backing up my precious (yes, my preeeeeciousss!) homework and hard-earned digital photographs which seem to take up a lot of room. Like I said earlier, it's like banning photocopiers because the 'non-extreme' and 'non-fringe' students photocopy a few pages too many. IMHO, YMMV, etc. The CD-R solution sounds nice as a solution, but it'd annoy me that I'd be paying for a copyright levy for backup activities.:(
I just wasted 17 CDs just to back up an HDD. I have always seen a burner as a chance to do backups. Maybe the fifth columnist position is to have the record companies make us pay a huge licence fee on either or both the CD-Rs or burners to make my backups of my own data, let alone any audio CD stuff no longer cost effective.
I'm not assuming a conspiracy theory here, rest assured.:)
I think if I bring it back in a roundabout way it isn't off topic. I don't think we discussed patents much tonight, but we have the NZ patent watch site up for techie-related patents. Why it's not off topic? A lot of this format shifting stuff is to do with the intellectualy property people use to stop us format shifting.
On the New Zealand 'peso', no less. Oops, I mean dollar.:)
With some luck with that USD exchange rate, I'll soon be able to afford the next generation of DVDs from the States to 'format shift' them onto something damned more convenient to me. Or back up those original CDs of mine and using the backups... oh wait. I'm doing that already.
I find a lot of the double talk is because one arm of the corporations don't know or care what the other does. It's how a lot of our esteemed (ho, ho) companies that run record labels turn around and sell burners on the side. Oh, and music players.
Come on, if we can be trusted to photocopy from books on an honour system with regards to how much we can copy for fair use, we can damn well be trusted to give ourselves one copy of an audio CD. And why stop at CDs?
Of course there's going to be the fringe element, come on. Even with students (not like me) desperate enough to photocopy a whole sociology or -- heaven forbid -- a 600-page politics textbook on the New Zealand Parliament!
The most alarming thing to me of the CS ISO code getting unassigned when Czechoslovakia splits into two, then reassigned when Serbia and Montenegro start having an apparent tantrum for it, is that it breaks library cataloguing systems as they use country codes for books and won't be able to distinguish from the two countries if this *really* happens. That and that e-mail addresses are still listed in google for.cs, which could lead to confusion. Not to mention IIRC it breaks the 3166 premise not to reuse codes.
It's been down due to frequency licensing problemssince around October, apparently as a result of cajoling from the (IIRC) organisation supplying them with (IIRC) the Internet feed to some if not all of the wireless points. As for the.nu ccTLD possibly being hijacked by Americans, it may be that Americans 'power' the backend, but I personally know at least one of the Internet Users Society Niue people living on Niue, and I know for a fact that real Niuean residents (i.e. New Zealanders and long term residents; all Niueans being New Zealanders as part of their independence/free association deal) actually administer it. Administration and Technical backends should not be confused. Incidentally, on a related subject, quite a lot of.nu sites based on Niue itself (I assume so as a large number of websites has gone down), such as Stafford's excellent Weekly Niue News (the mailing list archives have a later copy than what Google has), so there's no independent news written by a local Niuean at the moment.:( (Hence why a lot of links here are to Google, BTW.)
Pity there's no wireless access where I live. Nearby though in the city whose council brought online one of the first freenets (the ISP concept, not the P2P system) there's the excellent CafeNET wireless network that's been working pretty well. (Disclosure: I used them at the weekend at the behest of the competition and free December weekends they're currently running to promote their wirelessing the whole of the city's Golden Mile in an claimed world first. But they have a solid setup.)
They ordinarily charge by the byte, instead of by time, which I consider more fairer:
discourages people doing massive downloads and clogging things (OTOH, I've no idea if this is a problem)
you can run IM while eating your bagel and not worry that you're wasting valuable browsing time (and then spreading crumbs on your keyboard)
In short -- IMHO -- I think we shouldn't be thinking of whether x currency units per unit of time is worth it -- it should be how much you want to transfer for how many currency units (NZD, USD, EUR, AUD, GBP, whatever). The effective cost per megabyte is more than the 20 I am liable to pay for cable modem excess bandwidth, but at this point can be stomached for occasional access for e-mail (and that they aren't considering expiring unused credit, yet).
Also relevant I believe is the cost of equipment for this service among other competing technologies, but I'll leave that to others.
Google here seems to come up with http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm -- these guys don't seem like they were oppressive (though they did apparently deny the divinity of Christ)... nor do http://www.arianmusic.com/... unless you meant ARYAN or NAZI...?
But back on topic, I don't quite see that ARIA went about it the right way. All they needed to do for these students it seems was to have shaken their tree enough to give the students the (figurative) runs enough to scare them, erm, rough them up a little.
A bit of a late comment, but I had to mention the teachers college I train at have just installed colour lasers in two of their three computer labs. Reason? Just two inkjets attached to one computer for each of these labs to were making them haemorrage money at the rate of knots.
I must admit that the staff and trainees here have been quite taken by the quality of the lasers the college have bought... though only one's up in action while the other's doing groundhog day and spitting out a billion duplicates of each printout... *sigh*
Which incidentally, I've found a good educational use for it -- printing out Internet cartoons with dates on them to give me date dividers in my handouts clipbind. Honest.
I'm not trying to be a party pooper, because I'd love a house that'd last a while, but: surely fires, cyclones, earthquakes and son on will get to it before it gets anywhere near the end of its life span?
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Unconstitutional or not, whether it's a good idea or not is another question for me. What I wonder about it isn't it like trying to ban someone from using the phone system (or the postal system) when they can easily go out and get an untraceable mobile handset and simcard?
Oh well, perhaps worth a shot anyway.
I'm surprised it took rather long to supposedly come out with these. Traffic lights around NZ have used LEDs for some time, and since they arrived a few years ago, I've been waiting for consumer bulbs in the supermarket. I see they're not uncommon in other countries, though, a la howstuffworks and Google (the howstuffworks link explains the benefits and another google search explains some history).
At least there's LED torches to keep me happy in the meantime while I wait for those floodlights to make their way here.
If only... last time I checked, ANZUS was dead. :(
I think I'd have more chance claiming on my government natural disaster insurance policy than seeing the US protect us again. :)
I vaguely remember reading about this in the local edition of Time Magazine a couple of years ago.
:) (No pun intended.)
Then again, it's cool anyway.
Also, the title of the article, 'Industry warns of legal CD piracy', seems a bit misleading. This so called 'piracy' they've been talking about has gone on for years. Why should I be a criminal for taking a vague interpretation of the vague fair use provisions in the Copyright Act 1994 for not wanting to put in my CDs into my computer every single time? (Maybe they want me to buy an oversized laptop with a 3- or 5-disc CD-RW changer
Another alientation I recall is the last Jewel album I checked out required me to install software just to play that particular CD. Ugh.
Earlier... ... Many of the larger dairies had them. They had the appropriate part of the copyright act printed on them, along with a note that they are not to be used for copyright violation, however they had bigger writing saying things like 'back up your music and data'. They seemed to vanish part way through last year, likely due to a recording industry crack down ... -- interesting how the notices work for libraries but didn't work for these guys... but I guess if you were able to burn your 'data' to CD-R in the first place, you'd've access to a burner to do a second copy. :)
:)
Which brings me to my point: of whether those download stations for digitised music I hear some music store chains were thinking of will happen?
However, I was thinking more in a 'walk down the street' context. -- Ah, Dunedin. I was trying to figure out where you were from, as I remembered the reports but not the place.
I guess.
Maybe someone needs to sell them a new soul.
Before I start, I don't mean to start some flamebait here. To me I just get the impression that AMD are desperately trying to play catch-up with Intel's Centrino campaign, and on the cheap. (Then again, despite an official list of 'certified' hotspots on their website, Intel aren't promoting it much.) And, alas, doing it wrong.
Again, please tell me if I've read this wrong.
This was the bit troubling me with P2P file sharing technology. There's other uses for the technology. Likewise with CD-Rs, I use them mostly for backing up my precious (yes, my preeeeeciousss!) homework and hard-earned digital photographs which seem to take up a lot of room. Like I said earlier, it's like banning photocopiers because the 'non-extreme' and 'non-fringe' students photocopy a few pages too many. IMHO, YMMV, etc. The CD-R solution sounds nice as a solution, but it'd annoy me that I'd be paying for a copyright levy for backup activities.
"AOL."
:)
I just wasted 17 CDs just to back up an HDD. I have always seen a burner as a chance to do backups. Maybe the fifth columnist position is to have the record companies make us pay a huge licence fee on either or both the CD-Rs or burners to make my backups of my own data, let alone any audio CD stuff no longer cost effective.
I'm not assuming a conspiracy theory here, rest assured.
What? Walk 10 metres? At my local university and and its affiliated college, all I need to do is go to a computer in a lab and use the right software. I could already be logged in to one, bugger the 10 metres.
(Note: it's against the statutes of the university and probably the college of education to do this. I don't do it myself.)
I think if I bring it back in a roundabout way it isn't off topic. I don't think we discussed patents much tonight, but we have the NZ patent watch site up for techie-related patents. Why it's not off topic? A lot of this format shifting stuff is to do with the intellectualy property people use to stop us format shifting.
(Context for other people: I'm physically at an InternetNZ members' consultation meeting right now in Wellington.)
On the New Zealand 'peso', no less. Oops, I mean dollar. :)
With some luck with that USD exchange rate, I'll soon be able to afford the next generation of DVDs from the States to 'format shift' them onto something damned more convenient to me. Or back up those original CDs of mine and using the backups... oh wait. I'm doing that already.
I find a lot of the double talk is because one arm of the corporations don't know or care what the other does. It's how a lot of our esteemed (ho, ho) companies that run record labels turn around and sell burners on the side. Oh, and music players.
:)
Now, I really want to legally format shift my household's MP3^H^H^H LP collection, dammit!
Come on, if we can be trusted to photocopy from books on an honour system with regards to how much we can copy for fair use, we can damn well be trusted to give ourselves one copy of an audio CD. And why stop at CDs?
Of course there's going to be the fringe element, come on. Even with students (not like me) desperate enough to photocopy a whole sociology or -- heaven forbid -- a 600-page politics textbook on the New Zealand Parliament!
The most alarming thing to me of the CS ISO code getting unassigned when Czechoslovakia splits into two, then reassigned when Serbia and Montenegro start having an apparent tantrum for it, is that it breaks library cataloguing systems as they use country codes for books and won't be able to distinguish from the two countries if this *really* happens. That and that e-mail addresses are still listed in google for .cs, which could lead to confusion. Not to mention IIRC it breaks the 3166 premise not to reuse codes.
It's been down due to frequency licensing problems since around October, apparently as a result of cajoling from the (IIRC) organisation supplying them with (IIRC) the Internet feed to some if not all of the wireless points. As for the .nu ccTLD possibly being hijacked by Americans, it may be that Americans 'power' the backend, but I personally know at least one of the Internet Users Society Niue people living on Niue, and I know for a fact that real Niuean residents (i.e. New Zealanders and long term residents; all Niueans being New Zealanders as part of their independence/free association deal) actually administer it. Administration and Technical backends should not be confused. Incidentally, on a related subject, quite a lot of .nu sites based on Niue itself (I assume so as a large number of websites has gone down), such as Stafford's excellent Weekly Niue News (the mailing list archives have a later copy than what Google has), so there's no independent news written by a local Niuean at the moment. :( (Hence why a lot of links here are to Google, BTW.)
Pity there's no wireless access where I live. Nearby though in the city whose council brought online one of the first freenets (the ISP concept, not the P2P system) there's the excellent CafeNET wireless network that's been working pretty well. (Disclosure: I used them at the weekend at the behest of the competition and free December weekends they're currently running to promote their wirelessing the whole of the city's Golden Mile in an claimed world first. But they have a solid setup.)
They ordinarily charge by the byte, instead of by time, which I consider more fairer:
In short -- IMHO -- I think we shouldn't be thinking of whether x currency units per unit of time is worth it -- it should be how much you want to transfer for how many currency units (NZD, USD, EUR, AUD, GBP, whatever). The effective cost per megabyte is more than the 20 I am liable to pay for cable modem excess bandwidth, but at this point can be stomached for occasional access for e-mail (and that they aren't considering expiring unused credit, yet).
Also relevant I believe is the cost of equipment for this service among other competing technologies, but I'll leave that to others.
Google here seems to come up with http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm -- these guys don't seem like they were oppressive (though they did apparently deny the divinity of Christ)... nor do http://www.arianmusic.com/... unless you meant ARYAN or NAZI...? But back on topic, I don't quite see that ARIA went about it the right way. All they needed to do for these students it seems was to have shaken their tree enough to give the students the (figurative) runs enough to scare them, erm, rough them up a little.
Hi,
A bit of a late comment, but I had to mention the teachers college I train at have just installed colour lasers in two of their three computer labs. Reason? Just two inkjets attached to one computer for each of these labs to were making them haemorrage money at the rate of knots.
I must admit that the staff and trainees here have been quite taken by the quality of the lasers the college have bought... though only one's up in action while the other's doing groundhog day and spitting out a billion duplicates of each printout... *sigh*
Which incidentally, I've found a good educational use for it -- printing out Internet cartoons with dates on them to give me date dividers in my handouts clipbind. Honest.
I'm not trying to be a party pooper, because I'd love a house that'd last a while, but: surely fires, cyclones, earthquakes and son on will get to it before it gets anywhere near the end of its life span?
Hey, pushing it through again worked for NZMIS and their maori.nz proposal. :) As for the bankers... :)