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Kiwi Geeks Seek Domain
Codeine writes "A group of professional Internet engineers and technicians from New Zealand are following the published procedure to obtain the delegation of GEEK.NZ from the NZ Domain Name Commissioner (DNC). If successful, GEEK.NZ would be New Zealand's twelfth second-level domain."
This won't happen, I'm still waiting on the paperwork on GoatMe.nz
you expect better from Timothy?
Don't complain about news like this being posted... It's almost 3:00am EST, I'm working a night shift, and I'm just happy that there is some sort of posting going on at all.
More power to these New Zealand geeks...
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Aw, comeon, I kind of like them. Though I do agree, they could have a bit more, shall we say, umph to them ...
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Damn.. still.. I can afford the karma :)
Why is this such a big issue? Well the "12th second level domain" phrase surprised me. This reminds of the recent Australian IT minister's speech, which was discussed (mercilessly) at slashdot. Looks like the NZ internet situation is even worse than the Australian situation. Anyways, I hope these geeks succeed.
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Come now, we all know what number 13 must be: SHEEP.NZ ! It's gotta happen.
So a good day is now defined by what is on /.?
I can see it now:
Slashdot Story Coolness Index Up, It's a good day.
Holland, MI (Reuters) - Slashdot posted stories about new blah blah blah and nobody beatched about anything. Also, not a single story was a duplicate. Geeks passing out everywhere from sheer joy of being alive.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Like the world gives a crap about 1/2 of the US centric stories posted here.
How hard would it have been for you to just ignore the story? It's not like they can satisfy 100% of readers 100% of the time. I personally found it to be interesting. Also, you don't really speak for all of Slashdot.
slashdot!=valid HTML
By the 'rest of the world', you wouldn't happen to mean the USA by any chance?
Let me guess: You're the one on the left?
And do you suppose that Anna would look good with cum all over her face and violin?
Sorry, but this story is just too geeky for this time of the morning
Like the rest of the world needs to hear about everytime senator palpatine^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hollings takes a shit?
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
Ever notice how some people just post to see their own words in print? The online analog to politicians and other blowhards.
Ceci n'est pas un post
Whoa man... not even CLOSE!
Nope, but the vast majority of USian readers do. Maybe in soviet russia they make you ignore the US, but over here in USia, we like to see our own names in print.
Ceci n'est pas un post
Indeed. I did not know that. That's pretty sick. The stuff you learn by clicking on slashdot links. I thought people who bit heads off chickens were hobo's.
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Wow. Upon reading the summary, my first thought was "Why do I care?" I mean, geek.nz... they're just going to put up a website or something, right?
.org.nz, .net.nz and .co.nz. (I don't know whether I should blame the story submitter, the Slashdot editor, or the guys who wrote the webpage for the completely ordinary, ho-hum writeup, since all of them seemed to assume that we understood exactly what they were trying to do.)
.co.nz, .net.nz, and .org.nz based on the criteria in the linked PDF above (namely, that they have a long-standing common interest and should get a second-level domain for it.)
Actually, they're trying to get a domain extension of sorts, much like the pre-existing
From what I gather, the domain name commissioner of New Zealand is in charge of approving second-level domains. There is a list of criteria for these domains here (which is linked from the geek.nz website.) These people are trying to put geek.nz in the same realm as
The linked website is pretty terrible in terms of explaining to the rest of the world these geeks' true motivation to do this. Okay, you want a second-level domain, and you meet the criteria... and? Is this to make your government open up its domain name system to anyone who has a legitimate interest? Is it just a cool project? Unfortunately, the website that they made shows none of their motivation for doing this.
As it is, it seems to be a cool novelty, but these geeks failed to express any sort of goal for this project. Interesting? I suppose. Slashdot-worthy? Not really.
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senator palpatine???
Well why would an Australian site register a New Zealand domain name??
Damn, that .NZ is gonna make it hard for Australia to steal this one.
Yeah, we all know you USians aren't interested in anything that happens west of California, east of New York, north of the Great Lakes and south of Texas, but guess what - there's 250 million of you, and 6 billion of us.
Echoing the above (as of my writing, of course -- things may have changed as of your reading) comment: what is the big deal? Not trying to troll, but as a site looking for community support, there isn't an easily-accessible, clear condensation of the issue in getting a second-level .nz domain. It seems to be a case of getting approval by a controlling body, which can be swayed by public opinion to a certain extent. I think their campaign would be more successful if they made it clear why support of other wordly geeks is a good thing (sorry Martha).
Secondly, from a geeky perspective, geek.nz would be wickedly, uber-cool. Unfortunately I think it may be also possible to have the other, non-geek part of the population to look at the whole operation with a little disdain or perhaps disrespect (insert faviourite geek stereotype). I can certainly see some people (those outsiders) losing/not having respect for a project or company because it's on the geek.nz domain. That said, as an internal (within the geek community) testing ground, as was somewhat suggested on the site, it'd be pretty darn cool.
Does anyone else have their site read by Bert? They seem to be on Bert's good list. Care to make a few spurious correlations?
"this is a really good piece of cantoloupe."
Yeah, sounds great! Let me point my 'wizard.crack.nz' domain to your production server :-)
:))
(okay, I know, reverse resolving would fix that, but I just had to make that comment
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I realize as a web programmer I'm in a "geeky" line of work, but it never occurred to me advertise myself as a geek. I don't like it. I mean I'm no stud, I don't sport Olympic wood, and I not better than you, but I consider geekiness a rung on the totem pole I don't want to be below. Not to rant really, but I just consider the term "geek" to be derogatory.
apparently the world does, since most of the stories posted here are US centric and this site is world renowned.
it must be tough facing those facts.
Complain about a US centric post? I aint crazy (or American btw).
But really, who wants to be associated with the label "geek". I know here on Slashdot (which, shockingly, isn't an accurate reflection of the real world) it's bandied about as a badge of honour almost. However, in the real world it is still an insult and raises visions of a pale, pimply-faced creature with no social skills and no interests. Patently uninteresting and not something you want to be.
.geek.nz.!
No need to play into the sad fantasies of some poor, socially-inept people on the southern hemisphere. I say take them out, teach them how to play the ladies, then ask if they still want
Once Were Warriors (imdb)
Peter Jackson movies such as Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles (The Muppet Show, but miss piggy is a fat fuck and Kermit is a heroin addict) and Heavenly Creatures.
CNN on NZ Sailor, Peter Blake (who was shot by pirates last year!)
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4,000,000 people.
1 beautiful countryside.
"One of the press releases on the linked page answers 'why?'."
You know, some people bang their heads on the wall when they see bad code. Others get really frustrated when they see bad design, or bad grammar, or any number of things.
I get frustrated when I see a project whose founders obviously think is "cool," but which completely fails to answer the question "Why should I care?"
Obviously, you found that answer, and you certainly did better than I did.
I read the Slashdot summary, which completely failed to answer the question "Why should I care?" Then I clicked on the link, which also completely failed to answer that question. It's really frustrating to see the pertinent information on the site buried in a freakin' press release that very few people will ever read. (I mean, I'm guessing you clicked on the press release as sort of a last resort, and it's certainly not the place where most people would go to find out why this project is cool.)
The lesson I would like other geeks to learn from this article is damn, people, if you're doing something cool, put it in bold type on your front page! Say "We are here because we want to kick some ass. We're going to kick the ass of the domain name commissioner because we want to try out the latest cool geek technologies and this is the best way for us to do it! Hey, JOIN US! Help us out!"
The first rule of sales is that you have to convince the prospect that your product matters. This holds true whether you're selling encyclopedias door-to-door or whether you're trying to convince your boss to fund the purchase of new server equipment! Unfortunately, geeks have this tendency to throw out facts and just hope that people make the connection between those facts and their product being awesome. It really comes to light in a situation like this, where 95% of the audience doesn't know anything about New Zealand's domain structure or why a new second-level domain is a ground-breaking, earth-shattering, AWESOME achievement! That's why almost all of the posts here have been either "Huh?" or "Why should I care?"
As much as you may hate sales; as much as you want to believe that the facts will speak for themselves... take this article and the responses to it as a reason why they won't. Next time you're trying to convince someone that they absolutely should go with Linux, or that they absolutely, without a doubt, should use this piece of awesome software for their projects, answer the question that they will always think of first: "Why should I care?" If you can answer that, you've won half the battle.
If you can't answer that, and you try to just throw out facts and hope that they speak for themselves, you'll get the same response that these guys got...
"Huh?"
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Who the hell is "we"... and how did you land the job of speaking on their behalf?
As I'm from NZ, it's a welcome change to actually be able to see news like this on Slashdot as there is not real place locally to see anything like this.
But I sure hope it passes as it will be a SLD for, well, geeks and I don't think there are ANY of those out there.
Sounds good, considering the geeky things in New Zealand we read about on Slashdot. Like the Lord of the Rings being filmed there. And the city-wide LAN
Although, this isn't good.
A more accurate second-level domain for these fellas would be peoplewithtoomuchtimeontheirhands.nz, no?
From: http://geek.nznog.org/team.html
Josh Bailey, Whorehouse Piano Player.
Vader is Luke's father????!
Recently, the maori.nz domain was created. It was created on the grounds that it was of cultural value for a clearly defined subculture of NZ, AIR.
:-)
However, there was something of a geek feeling that this wasn't very fair - it was a domain created on the basis of race and race alone.
In protest, and in a "if they can get it, why can't we" various people attempted to create the geek.nz domain. There is something of a race issue that we have to work through around here - thoughout the greater culture, stretching as far back as The Treaty of Waitangi
(Yes, there is something of an opening-the-floodgates problem, but there is a moritorim on new applications at the moment.)
(BTW, this isn't exactly news, as the idea was mooted, AIR, many months ago.)
Oh, and New Zealand Herald / NZPA Coverage
It's a cool thing, let us have our fun!
Okay, I'm probably overplaying the race issue - it is something of a bugbear for me, however, that is the rationale behind.
But I don't think that they would generally hear about Tuvalu's network connection or the French government's relationship with Mandrake Soft.
But I doubt that stories are posted to suit the world, they post what they relate to. The Register posts UK news. Slashdot does american. That's no bad thing but I think it would be wrong to say they try and suit the world.
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Sounds like the eu.org domain, which is a free-to-register one used by European people. Go geeks!
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I wish the .us had something like this. If you want a .us domain it has to be something like yourname.city.county.us
I wish I could just get myname.us
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
What do these countries have in common? 1. A more populous immediate neighbor with a bigger economy and a bigger attitude 2. Lots of territory, but not a lot is useable 3. Friendly semi-rivalry with that neighbor: NZ/CA/NA have a friendly rivalry, but the neighbor is oblivious 4. 95% of foreign disputes relate to fish
yellowcat ^_^ ??
You're probably new, but as always in Slashdot, whatever is cool gets posted.
Secondly, this movement "sort of" unite the geeks in NZ, as alluded in the page. Why don't we support them?
Thirdly, you may bicker about your indifference, but be thorough to your reading, lady! Here's the quote that may elucidate you:
GEEK.NZ will provide a place in the DNS where the community of technical people in New Zealand can express itself, thrive and expand. Providing recognition to the technical community in this way will allow New Zealand to demonstrate its commitment to the people who fuel the knowledge economy, and help slow the otherwise steady procession of technical people leaving the country every year.
That was taken from here.
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...actually we are interested in what happens north of the great lakes and south of texes.....Alaska and Hawaii respectivly ;)
Slashdot, where armchair scientists get shouted down and armchair theologians get modded up.
Recently a consortium of New Zealand banks tried to get .bank.nz off the ground for the second time - and failed. This was the subject of much mockery and debate on the NZNOG mailing list. The "team" listed on the page looks much like the "From" column in my NZNOG mailbox. Poking fun at the process, and the incorporated society that administers it, has at least as much to do with seeking .geek.nz as any desire for a geeksafe playpen.
That is encredibly facinating. Certanly more intresting then any of the following
Have you been drinking?
I certainly agree with you though, your submissions were definitely more interesting.
The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
Recently .bank.nz was put through the aproval process for the 2nd time, and failed to reach the 70% support required. Basically I see it being totally pointless to have a .bank.nz tld as there are only about 10 different banks in NZ. (and they all have the relevant .co.nz TLD)
:)
But, finally a tld comes out that is worth supporting, and fits me perfectly. And reading through all the latest postings on the InternetNZ mailing list, I think it has a good chance of getting put through. I am definately voting for it, though I am a bit biased as I just want a.geek.nz for an IRC host
Some useful links, which may or may not be redundant:
Outline of the process
More info
NZ Registry Services
All in all its a pretty good time for domain names in NZ, with our new Shared Registry System (SRS) just coming online last Saturday. Finally some competition in NZ for domain registrations.
Just where is this New Zealand thats getting the geek domain? Is that up on the east cost with all thouse other New states? My geology wasn't very good in school.
The Lone Gunmen are dead????!
How come when I registered a second-level domain name it never made it to slashdot?!
(expiration.ca and makingthecut.ca, for the curious)
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Fuck it
Bravo bre
I just can't spelkl. I am also very tired. hehehe.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
So that's Klez + 0?
or does CIH equal "" which would make it Klez + 1?
Getting a second level domain here (in Italy) is considered nearly as _NOT_ having a domain at all.
.too.it .too.it ... and all free. ... i'm not saying "hi dudes get now your second level domains here and free, such cool service.." it's not. They hide your real url and show a lousy banner line down on the frame and that disturbs actually quite a lot. if you refresh the site goes back to index page. see what i mean; try e.g this: http://www.hotmail.too.it ??
:-/
Maybe this is due to the many sites that end
It takes about 5 minutes to get one - or up to three second level domains of
the guys offering this are http://html.it
i think thank to so many people NOT liking THAT service, ALL the second level domains are considered here _by the ordinary people_ as NOT domains. Yea. buenosaires.gov.ar, yahoo.com.br, apple.com.br etc etc etc - "Why didn't they get a (first level) domain of their own?" So too many think it's just something like v3 domain
Good luck for these guys anyway on their try, even though i believe they don't have a big possibility to get it through
s. of texas yes. n. of great lakes? definitely not. Nobody in the lower 48 cares about AK.
we = you and your Realdoll?
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Yeah, we all know you USians aren't interested in anything that happens west of California, east of New York, north of the Great Lakes and south of Texas, but guess what - there's 250 million of you, and 6 billion of us.
Six billion of whom? New Zealanders? Please, don't flatter yourselves. Five sheep pelts (or whatever it is you people use for currency anyway) says that no one in mainland China, Japan, or even the greater European community gives two shits about your little "story".
Here are my thoughts on this SLD (Second Level Domain) proposal: It's unnecessary.
.com domain or any other TLD. This idea is very specialized, hence serves no purpose.
.com/.net/.org domains already.
Hear me out. New Zealand has 3,908,037 people, give or take a few. I seriously doubt there are even 5,000 geeks who would get those domains. No one would pass up an opportunity to aquire
Besides, all my friends from NZ have
I do have a proposal on what type of domains New Zealand government should implement, since the topic came up.
*.holycowmyinternetisslow.nz - for people who are still on 28.8k dialup modems inside of New Zealand
*.udpmatch.nz - for packet kiddies who are looking for a mate
*.neal.nz - will be reserved for Cowboy Neal in case he ever moves there
*.sheep.nz - hot sheep erotic fanfiction
*.cliche.nz - will serve as the domain for humor sites incorporating "beowulf cluster" and "In Soviet Russia" jokes all the time!
*.rom.nz - domain for Romainians who are considering moving to New Zealand to trade ROMS and Emulators for Atari 9600
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some NZ official to see these suggestions and put them on a fasttrack.
I assume you'll be allowed to do stuff like that, otherwise it seems like it would cater to a rather small group of companies. I know I'm out of the loop, but the last time I checked (not recently) there wasn't much more than 20 banks in nz (as defined by the Reserve Bank Act, 1989).
This is New Zealand we're talking about. There's gotta be a LoTR related domain. Something like hobbiton.nz or shire.nz should do nicely.
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i know i'll go for several .gnu urls if they ever come out.
The thing about it is this.
A lot of people would torment the kids for which this general website (Please, don't forget the big words at the top that say "News For Nerds") is geared. A lot of us (and I say us as being what I would consider a geek myself) got pushed around and picked on as a kid. God knows the number of times I've been stuffed in a locker (think it's a joke for Saved By The Bell? Think again) or had the shit kicked out of me for dressing in a way that was inappropriate (I swore by sweat pants right up until grade 6).
The point of the matter is that turning the word that tormented us so as kids around and saying "I'm a geek. So what?" in a true Revenge-Of-The-Nerds fashion helps people have their own identity. Sure, a lot of the stuff I do might not be considered "cool" or the "in" thing or whatever, but fuck it. I'm more than happy to do what I do simply because I'm doing it. People who proudly wear the name "geek" are people that truly just don't care that if they do geeky stuff, like say wear sweatpants on a regular basis, or sit around playing with your computer all day, or charge at Gallstaff with your Magic Missile spell with +5 damage because of your charm ring or whatever.
Point of the matter is, this is a website for basically self-proclaimed geeks and nerds. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should have turned away when you saw the "News For Nerds" sign that is CLEARLY present on the front page.
Karma: Non-Heinous
You need to put it in perspective of the post I replied to. It got modded down as flamebait. Looks like mine is a top level now. It isn't.
Cool! ....let me know who I need to write a petition to!
As a Canadian Geek now in NZ, and working for the incumbent telco, I'm going to try and get some of the guys interested! I'm sure some of the people from the big incumbent ISPs will want to help too! Hey, maybe we can have our own little country-wide internet!
Anyone want to help? dszego@mindslip.com or 025419512
mindslip
Guys. This was a response to some clown saying how trivial NZ news is. It's a relevant post now divorced from the parent by the fact it was modded as a troll.
Looks bad out of context.
Gee and I thought the first rule of sales was sell *your* product (or self-promote on /.) whether you know the geeks have gotten the details right or not.
Such as advertising solid web hosting service, when your own servers are running known-vulnerable apache, ssl and ssh?
Linux is Linux, if One need clarify their dist: <Dist>/GNU Linux
bsds are of course just BSD
Others are going off over their hypothetical .nz's, here is mine.
por.nz
Talk about get rich quick...
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Cowboy Neal IS the sheep.
Never confuse volume with power.
---- sorry I carn't help it, it's an Ausie/Kiwi thing.
naughty bear Grizzly, naughty bear!!!
in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that
Francis Smit
You lose, asshole. Guess where I am? JAPAN, moron.
I get dibs on split-e.nz
My sig's name is Sigmund, but you may call it "Siggy."
That's what I have my website for. I post on /. because the masses actually love me, worship me, and eagerly look forward to the posting by their beautiful leader, which would be me.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
London - Moscow is pretty easy these days. Just grab a EuroStar from London Waterloo to Brussels and tranfer there to a train to Cologne, change again in Brest and you're off to Moscow. London - Moscow in less than 40 hours. You can book right away.
:-|
The URL gives a place to fill in your options, press 'Verbindung Suchen" to get the data.
Those dynamically created pages suck when hyperlinking
Or try your favorite airline and find a direct flight.
I hereby request a domain for enthusiastic New Zealand golf fanatics: Tee.nz
I hope http://tee.nz/ will encourage more people to swing their clubs and go for a hole in one. Or even a birdy.
It bothers me that the USA think
DNS was designed to be a diverse tree structure over possible areas of interest. Within this there are two approaches - break things down into categories (2LD's, co, org, net, mil etc), or create as many 2LD's as possible.
When
It might be argued that there are less geeks in NZ than Maori people, but
- the percentage of geeks on the Internet is (of course) far larger than the percentage of Maori people
- "geek" as a term doesn't just have to relate to computer users
There has been some discussion on the Domain Name Commissioner's mailing list (Does anyone else find it funny that we have a DNC? Sounds like Commissioner Gordon. Quick, fire the DNS signal!) about if geeks getThis article is smack on. The reason that the NZ Network Operators' Group are pushing for
While it is obvious that the gap between Pakeha and Maori with access to internet needs to be addressed to bring us together as a society, I don't think that segregation of the name space will help achieve this at all.
Oh, and thank you everyone for the sheep jokes, they were most appreciated. Have you ever BEEN to New Zealand?
i dont think that the *.geek.nz will be good news for geeks in NZ (it will hide the real reasons why people want to use it).
perhaps a better extension maybe:
*.x.nz (for experimental - just like for experimental aircraft)
i think if this gets well known then others will also like to register other pop-culture 2nd level domains. making NZ's TLD a bit of a joke.
So you're saying they pulled it out of thin AIR?
AIR = As I Recall. Subsustute that phrase in and it should make more sense. :-)
/. comes from that world. :-)
Sorry, habit from old-school BBS days - I guess not everyone on
They should make it so that modded-down posts still get shown if they have posts above the viewer's threshhold in reply.
Sounds like you need reinforcements.
Oh dear Jesus you are one stupid little bastard aren't you! USians? Right away anything else that comes sputtering out of your mouth like the fecal matter it is will be ignored....
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
geeks are dirty, unwashed, sexless, poor and ugly. they cant afford scsi.
they are also generally gay.
I mean, it's not like we're using up some precious resource here. .druid.au registered as a domain,
If I want to jump through the bureaucratic hoops necessary to get
what's the harm?
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
Go read another website then. At least the article was somewhat shorter than your whining reply.
.us domain? (I'm going to make a leap here and assume you are a Yank)
Did you post the same drivel whenever slashdot has run an article on the
Zilch.
my names on the list, cant wait till its available. total.geek.nz is claimed!
Dont ask me...Im just the bass player.
May the New Zealanders never lose their old zeal.
red spikes? piercings? you are such a fuckhead. fuck you. your stupid angst, pathetic life. i wish we could harvest your organs NOW before you get into a motorcycle accident so that you dont fuckup the ONLY good thing about your body.
the only stereotype you fit into is a mac user because someone as stupid as you needs a computer for retards and come on here and sound that fuckin dumb.
lame motherfuckin lame.
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whereby at 7 a.m. every weekday we go into a space-launch-style "hold" for
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all wake up via a civilized gradual process of stretching and belching and
scratching, and it would still be only 7 a.m. when we were ready to actually
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