I call FUD. This issue has nothing to do with the DCMA and everything to do with illegal, anti-competitive practices. Price fixing is when companies get together to agree on an artificially inflated price, just so that their competition with each other doesn't drive prices down. This is *highly* illegal and doesn't involve copyrights in any way.
I don't know if any are available yet, but several are in the works.
I run 64 bit Java on my UltraSparc. I think that's the only 64 bit system that currently has 64 bit memory support. Mustang probably introduces 64 bit memory for the Opertron and the Itanic.
Exactly. So why is Sun dragging its feet on porting its virtual machine for the Java language to the AMD64 platform?
What are you talking about?!? Go to http://java.sun.com and click on "J2SE 5.0". Then click on "JDK 5.0 Update 2" and accept the license agreement. Right there are four packages for AMD64. (Two for Linux, two for Solaris.)
...that mustang is also the first Java version to be developed under an Open Source type model. The CVS is open to guests over on http://www.java.net, thus allowing for immediate feedback and bugfixes. It has been a real boon for the gaming community, as they've been able to direct several key performance features.
If Word is "blowing up" all the time then something is fucked up on her computer. Say OO is better, say it's cheaper, but don't use "blowing up" as an argument because millions of people use Word every day without it "blowing up"
Bullshit. Word 97 blows up on everyone. It was probably the number one complaint when I was back in tech support. "Word crashed and I didn't save my document. Get it back for me!" Blech.
Go try the OpenOffice 2.0 beta. All the bloat has been nicely shaved away (including that stupid vertical toolbar!), and the programs have been given a clean new look. Mark my words, OpenOffice 2.0 is going to be the FireFox of Office software.
This is an honest question. Why isn't OpenOffice experiencing the same explosive success as Firefox? What is keeping these same Firefox "switchers" from getting their hands on OpenOffice, as well?
My only answer is, that OpenOffice *is* experiencing tremendous growth. My wife actually converted before I did. She got tired of Word blowing up on her all the time and asked if I had something that would work. I sheepishly told her that I could let her *try* OpenOffice, and she agreed. She's never looked back. Shortly thereafter, I started using OO exclusively as well.
The reason why the growth isn't as noticable is that there isn't as big of a marketing push as there was with FireFox. (If you believe the marketing, FireFox will soon pass the 50% penetration range. Not. Quite. Yet.)
I just wish this were true... It gets close, but there are still many, many problems.:-(
Most of which are irrelevant for school use. Business caliber documents need precise formatting, fancy effects, and other gizmos that aren't needed in a term paper or book report.
I know that we cannot use Open Office in our firm because our documents will not open properly there. We have documents that are hundreds of pages of custom work, including our normal.dot files.
The issue you're seeing is not relavent in a school environment. Students will regularly start with a blank page, or a template created specifically for the course. They will NOT have three hundred page manuscripts that describe... actually, what the heck DO people put in those 300 page documents? I have never figured that out. The only document I've ever had trouble porting was a resume I did with Word 97. The formatting got screwed up in OpenOffice, but then again it got screwed up in MSOffice 2000 as well. *shrug*
THere are benefits to using industry standard programs......such as being forever locked into their "standard". Welcome to illegal monopoly practice hell.
1. OpenOffice is free, but support may be obtained from a very popular computer company. (Sun Microsystems) 2. OpenOffice fully supports Microsoft Office file formats. 3. OpenOffice can be distributed to students without cost. 4. OpenOffice (and its sister project NeoOffice/J) run on ALL popular OSes, including Macintoshes. 5. OpenOffice is continually updated to have the latest features, again at no cost.
The problem is that you're looking for connections that are difficult to quantify, while simultaneously ignoring the connections that are broken in one model over the other. If you were to find every factor that made a difference in Open Source vs. Proprietary software (an impossible task indeed), all you'd find is that Sturgeon's Law still applies:
Subjective reasoning is not evidence. Sorry, try again.
The reality of what tends to happen is that very few people ever actually read the source code of OS products, much less modify it. And if the bug happens to get past the original developers, there is very little chance that a stranger to the code will find it. Thus we come back to the traditional model of reporting "I'm having this problem" and the developers responding, "Sorry, that's a bug. We'll fix it when we get a chance." (Actually, developers are rarely that polite, but you get the idea.)
In my experience they tend to be over in the corner banging their heads against the wall.
Those are the lucky ones. Did you ever see Real Genius? Remeber the part where they were cramming for the big test, and the one guy suddenly stands up, starts screaming, and runs out like a lunatic? That's what happens to the rest.;-)
Person1: "Open Source is better and is making Proprietary software obsolete."
Person2: "Is not! Open Source has the same problems as Proprietary."
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
[this goes on for a little while]
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
[end of article]
And there you have it! The first definitive answer in the history of mankind! Or... maybe not.
The reality is that software is software, and programmers are programmers. A really good piece of software will tend to get that way through the work of experienced and talented individuals. Projects lacking those individuals will produce poor software. Doesn't matter if it's open source or not.
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No kidding. I written a few reviews (see my journal for some of them) and all I could think of when reading this was "weak". As in, "Where's all the content?" Ok, we said we had installation problems, we said it's proprietary, and then we spend the rest of the article on Linux compatibility?!? Do these people have any idea what they're reviewing?
Unfortunately, this seems to be a trend in Unix style OS reviews. Linux magazines in particular tend to be *really* bad about printing "reviews" that are nothing more than, "I couldn't get it to work, oh well." The worst one I ever saw was a review of an XPDE Linux Distro. "My screen went green after the install. Hope they fix this in the next version. Fin." WTF? What are they *paying* these people for?
I have no idea why the mods thought to mod me that way, but I can tell you that you're in the minority of users. Myself and most users I know much prefer the single window approach to file browsing. It's fast, it works, and it doesn't clutter your desktop in weird ways. I'm glad that you like it, but the decision to force it on the entire world was not the best one ever made by the GNOME project.
Ok, I'll stop being serious now:
No, just a user. Liar! You're a KGB mole sent to disrupt our computing abilities! I just know it!;-)
Darn those pesky users for making us stablize things instead of hacking cool new features! I mean, which would you rather have, a foot menu that works or spatial Nautilus?
there are some critical applications I could see it used for, such as occupations with a high amount of movement between desktops (IE a person who travels alot for the company) they could have the desktop at the office, and also have a laptop so their workstation goes where they go. also I can see it in the medical field where doctors can walk around and access charts digitally, then dock at a PC to do research.
Three words: Sun Ray Station
As long as you can get access to the server (which can now be done over the Internet as well), you can have your desktop exactly where you left it. What do you need to carry? Why, nothing more than a 2 oz smart card!
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I call FUD. This issue has nothing to do with the DCMA and everything to do with illegal, anti-competitive practices. Price fixing is when companies get together to agree on an artificially inflated price, just so that their competition with each other doesn't drive prices down. This is *highly* illegal and doesn't involve copyrights in any way.
They have competitors, therefore they are not a monopoly.
Umm... no. That's not how it works. If it did, MICROSOFT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED BY THE DOJ.
I don't see how you can say that Microsoft is not a monopoly when the government has already found and asserted as much.
I don't know if any are available yet, but several are in the works.
I run 64 bit Java on my UltraSparc. I think that's the only 64 bit system that currently has 64 bit memory support. Mustang probably introduces 64 bit memory for the Opertron and the Itanic.
I don't get it. If sun was responsible for 64-bit computers being commonplace, how come Java doesn't support 64 bits?
It does. 64 bit support already exists on Sparc. My guess is that this is for full 64 bit memory support on newer platforms.
Exactly. So why is Sun dragging its feet on porting its virtual machine for the Java language to the AMD64 platform?
What are you talking about?!? Go to http://java.sun.com and click on "J2SE 5.0". Then click on "JDK 5.0 Update 2" and accept the license agreement. Right there are four packages for AMD64. (Two for Linux, two for Solaris.)
Stop spreading FUD.
java.com is the user's site that plays up stupid mobile games and the like.
java.net is the "Network of developers" who are creating useful (and useless) software.
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Microsoft == Monopoly
Anti-Competitive Practices are illegal for monopolies
Microsoft practices anti-competitive practices such as lock-in
Therefore:
Microsoft performs illegal monopoly practices
...that mustang is also the first Java version to be developed under an Open Source type model. The CVS is open to guests over on http://www.java.net, thus allowing for immediate feedback and bugfixes. It has been a real boon for the gaming community, as they've been able to direct several key performance features.
If Word is "blowing up" all the time then something is fucked up on her computer. Say OO is better, say it's cheaper, but don't use "blowing up" as an argument because millions of people use Word every day without it "blowing up"
Bullshit. Word 97 blows up on everyone. It was probably the number one complaint when I was back in tech support. "Word crashed and I didn't save my document. Get it back for me!" Blech.
Go try the OpenOffice 2.0 beta. All the bloat has been nicely shaved away (including that stupid vertical toolbar!), and the programs have been given a clean new look. Mark my words, OpenOffice 2.0 is going to be the FireFox of Office software.
This is an honest question. Why isn't OpenOffice experiencing the same explosive success as Firefox? What is keeping these same Firefox "switchers" from getting their hands on OpenOffice, as well?
My only answer is, that OpenOffice *is* experiencing tremendous growth. My wife actually converted before I did. She got tired of Word blowing up on her all the time and asked if I had something that would work. I sheepishly told her that I could let her *try* OpenOffice, and she agreed. She's never looked back. Shortly thereafter, I started using OO exclusively as well.
The reason why the growth isn't as noticable is that there isn't as big of a marketing push as there was with FireFox. (If you believe the marketing, FireFox will soon pass the 50% penetration range. Not. Quite. Yet.)
I just wish this were true... It gets close, but there are still many, many problems. :-(
Most of which are irrelevant for school use. Business caliber documents need precise formatting, fancy effects, and other gizmos that aren't needed in a term paper or book report.
I know that we cannot use Open Office in our firm because our documents will not open properly there. We have documents that are hundreds of pages of custom work, including our normal.dot files.
...such as being forever locked into their "standard". Welcome to illegal monopoly practice hell.
The issue you're seeing is not relavent in a school environment. Students will regularly start with a blank page, or a template created specifically for the course. They will NOT have three hundred page manuscripts that describe... actually, what the heck DO people put in those 300 page documents? I have never figured that out. The only document I've ever had trouble porting was a resume I did with Word 97. The formatting got screwed up in OpenOffice, but then again it got screwed up in MSOffice 2000 as well. *shrug*
THere are benefits to using industry standard programs...
1. OpenOffice is free, but support may be obtained from a very popular computer company. (Sun Microsystems)
2. OpenOffice fully supports Microsoft Office file formats.
3. OpenOffice can be distributed to students without cost.
4. OpenOffice (and its sister project NeoOffice/J) run on ALL popular OSes, including Macintoshes.
5. OpenOffice is continually updated to have the latest features, again at no cost.
Rule #1: There's an exception to every rule.
Rule #2: The exception doesn't make the rule.
Rule #3: See rule one.
The problem is that you're looking for connections that are difficult to quantify, while simultaneously ignoring the connections that are broken in one model over the other. If you were to find every factor that made a difference in Open Source vs. Proprietary software (an impossible task indeed), all you'd find is that Sturgeon's Law still applies:
90% of everything is crap.
Subjective reasoning is not evidence. Sorry, try again.
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The reality of what tends to happen is that very few people ever actually read the source code of OS products, much less modify it. And if the bug happens to get past the original developers, there is very little chance that a stranger to the code will find it. Thus we come back to the traditional model of reporting "I'm having this problem" and the developers responding, "Sorry, that's a bug. We'll fix it when we get a chance." (Actually, developers are rarely that polite, but you get the idea.)
Reference:
http://www.neilgunton.com/open_source_myths/#unde
http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/defaul
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/security/2004/09/16/o
In my experience they tend to be over in the corner banging their heads against the wall.
;-)
Those are the lucky ones. Did you ever see Real Genius? Remeber the part where they were cramming for the big test, and the one guy suddenly stands up, starts screaming, and runs out like a lunatic? That's what happens to the rest.
Person1: "Open Source is better and is making Proprietary software obsolete."
Person2: "Is not! Open Source has the same problems as Proprietary."
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
[this goes on for a little while]
Person1: "Does not!"
Person2: "Does too!"
[end of article]
And there you have it! The first definitive answer in the history of mankind! Or... maybe not.
The reality is that software is software, and programmers are programmers. A really good piece of software will tend to get that way through the work of experienced and talented individuals. Projects lacking those individuals will produce poor software. Doesn't matter if it's open source or not.
'tis but a few paragraphs long and summarised thus:
No kidding. I written a few reviews (see my journal for some of them) and all I could think of when reading this was "weak". As in, "Where's all the content?" Ok, we said we had installation problems, we said it's proprietary, and then we spend the rest of the article on Linux compatibility?!? Do these people have any idea what they're reviewing?
Unfortunately, this seems to be a trend in Unix style OS reviews. Linux magazines in particular tend to be *really* bad about printing "reviews" that are nothing more than, "I couldn't get it to work, oh well." The worst one I ever saw was a review of an XPDE Linux Distro. "My screen went green after the install. Hope they fix this in the next version. Fin." WTF? What are they *paying* these people for?
I have no idea why the mods thought to mod me that way, but I can tell you that you're in the minority of users. Myself and most users I know much prefer the single window approach to file browsing. It's fast, it works, and it doesn't clutter your desktop in weird ways. I'm glad that you like it, but the decision to force it on the entire world was not the best one ever made by the GNOME project.
;-)
Ok, I'll stop being serious now:
No, just a user.
Liar! You're a KGB mole sent to disrupt our computing abilities! I just know it!
Spatial Nautilus is the only file manager avaiable that works the way I want a file manager to work.
;-D
You must be a GNOME developer.
Darn those pesky users for making us stablize things instead of hacking cool new features! I mean, which would you rather have, a foot menu that works or spatial Nautilus?
there are some critical applications I could see it used for, such as occupations with a high amount of movement between desktops (IE a person who travels alot for the company) they could have the desktop at the office, and also have a laptop so their workstation goes where they go. also I can see it in the medical field where doctors can walk around and access charts digitally, then dock at a PC to do research.
Three words: Sun Ray Station
As long as you can get access to the server (which can now be done over the Internet as well), you can have your desktop exactly where you left it. What do you need to carry? Why, nothing more than a 2 oz smart card!