"I remember the bad IBM and the good IBM only came after techs turned their backs on what was Big Blue."
I don't think it had anything to do with "techs". IBM saw a lot of their low-end business being sucked-up by Sun and then by the PC. Since they designed the PC to be mostly open and allowed MS to sell their own version of the PCDOS, PCs became a commodity. IBM isn't really organized to win in that kind of market.
"If you can't afford anything at all right now, I don't know how you think you're suddenly going to be able to afford it when the government is taking your money to pay for it for you..."
Of course the devil is in the details but why do you assume that the everyone will be paying the same?
"So it differs from the current system, where you're insured to the level you're comfortable with. Instead you'll have a system where decisions about your health are made in context of the general population rather than in the context of you as an individual."
You're assuming that our current system is focused on the needs of the individual, but clearly it's not. If it were you'd get the same quote for insurance as an individual as you would as a business and that's not what happens.
It still sounds to me like interest in hardcore games has diminished.
Causal games may be actually helping the development of hardcore games by providing a growing revenue source to compensate for the declining revenues of the game companies.
This is similar to the movie business where highly commercial movies fund more artistic movies that may not produce a profit.
On Slashdot you have to say you're against MS or you won't be taken seriously by a lot of readers. Saying "I only use Windows because my employer forces me to" is acceptable too.
I spent of lot of years developing embedded software and we never shipped anything with a known issue. It may be shocking to software developers today, but that was a common policy in software development.
Of course our projects were a lot smaller than an OS.
"Technically, it was stolen, but since he was one of the people that had paid for one and it was a year late, he could equally argue that he merely enforced some of the terms of the deal (it was still a year late and bug ridden, but he wrote that off once he finally got the copy he paid for)."
Try that argument on a judge. Theft is not a legal remedy for a contract dispute.
"When you get a bank employee to 'help' you that way, it's called an "inside job"."
What a phony analogy. Most universities allow students to access computers and don't consider such access as theft even if formal permission hasn't been granted.
I don't condone deliberately violating a patent as MS did in this case. I assume you don't have any problem with software patents since you agree that MS wasn't acting ethically.
Attributing the work of a team to a single individual is quite common. So is attributing it to the wrong guy or company.
Didn't Steve Jobs invent the Mac? Didn't Nolan Bushnell invent the video game? Didn't Adobe create the first page description language? Didn't Marc Andreessen invent the web browser?
Since you didn't provide any sources I have no idea if this history is correct or not. If it's true somebody stole a paper tape. Regardless of what you think of copyright, that was clearly a theft and Gates had every right to be upset.
It's not surprising that an unreleased software program was buggy and who knows how many bugs were introduced when it was "fixed" by the thieves.
Of course, MS produced a number of other basics.
If he really did use Harvard's computer, so what? He must of had some cooperation from the Harvard staff because computers in those days weren't just sitting in unlocked rooms.
Wow, I thought the DOJ was artificially carving the market to box MS as a monopoly but apparently the EU is even better at it. I guess nobody should by a Linux server if they want to use it for a work group.
Good points. If all those who complain about how MS treated Netscape had actually purchased a copy of Netscape's browser they'd still be in business today.
Bad research has been around for a long time and writers can be guilty of it without any help from Bill Gates.
I guess people say that Gates is a "marketing genius" because they don't want to believe he's a real geek and they have to come up with some explanation for his success. If you've ever seen Bill Gates do a presentation you'd know how absurd this "marketing genius" belief is. Steve Jobs is the marketing genius in this business.
The fact is that MS existed before the PC and Gates really wrote code for their Basic interpreters. They were written in multiple assembly languages for each target processor. That's geek enough for you.
"in this case Stac electronics were able to get some money from MS - but it was a sour victory as MS has effectively removed them from the market place in the process."
Stac got around 80 million dollars from MS for their trouble. I wish I had a "sour victory" like that.
MS doesn't have a monopoly or even the top market share in some categories the EU is interested in such as servers. MS's presence in those markets is actually increasing competition. As was the case in the US, the EU is probably more interested in protecting specific MS competitors than in helping the consumer.
It's great that the programs you've written have been WORA for you, but that has not been the universal experience. For example, it's a well-known fact that Java's threading behavior has not been entirely consistent across platforms.
"Java SE may not be the Windows killer Sun used to claim it was, but there are still a lot of people running Java GUI apps, especially in enterprise applications."
At the time that Sun was claiming Java was a Windows killer there was no such thing as Java SE. That was back before Sun discovered that WORA wasn't really possible.
"Google seems to have targeted at cell phones and PDA-style devices. In that context, not supporting Java SE makes sense. But once you start deploying Android on netbooks..."
I think netbooks are primarily intended for web browsing and email. They don't seem like a good fit to be a client for enterprise applications. Nevertheless, even in the enterprise client space, Win32 is more important than Java SE.
It's not as if there's tons of legacy Java GUI apps that people want to run.
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MS has a new strategy for performance and stability - they're only going to allow you to open 8 Windows and the new name reflects that.
"I remember the bad IBM and the good IBM only came after techs turned their backs on what was Big Blue."
I don't think it had anything to do with "techs". IBM saw a lot of their low-end business being sucked-up by Sun and then by the PC. Since they designed the PC to be mostly open and allowed MS to sell their own version of the PCDOS, PCs became a commodity. IBM isn't really organized to win in that kind of market.
"If you can't afford anything at all right now, I don't know how you think you're suddenly going to be able to afford it when the government is taking your money to pay for it for you..."
Of course the devil is in the details but why do you assume that the everyone will be paying the same?
"So it differs from the current system, where you're insured to the level you're comfortable with. Instead you'll have a system where decisions about your health are made in context of the general population rather than in the context of you as an individual."
You're assuming that our current system is focused on the needs of the individual, but clearly it's not. If it were you'd get the same quote for insurance as an individual as you would as a business and that's not what happens.
It still sounds to me like interest in hardcore games has diminished.
Causal games may be actually helping the development of hardcore games by providing a growing revenue source to compensate for the declining revenues of the game companies.
This is similar to the movie business where highly commercial movies fund more artistic movies that may not produce a profit.
"You won't get to decide what treatments you are eligible for"
And this differs from the current private insurance system in what way?
On Slashdot you have to say you're against MS or you won't be taken seriously by a lot of readers. Saying "I only use Windows because my employer forces me to" is acceptable too.
It wasn't meant as a troll.
I spent of lot of years developing embedded software and we never shipped anything with a known issue. It may be shocking to software developers today, but that was a common policy in software development.
Of course our projects were a lot smaller than an OS.
Well, shipping without known issues is a lot different than shipping bug-free. The former can be done but the latter probably can't.
I guess I'm being naive, but why don't they wait until all the known issues are fixed before they release a new version?
"Technically, it was stolen, but since he was one of the people that had paid for one and it was a year late, he could equally argue that he merely enforced some of the terms of the deal (it was still a year late and bug ridden, but he wrote that off once he finally got the copy he paid for)."
Try that argument on a judge. Theft is not a legal remedy for a contract dispute.
"When you get a bank employee to 'help' you that way, it's called an "inside job"."
What a phony analogy. Most universities allow students to access computers and don't consider such access as theft even if formal permission hasn't been granted.
This appears to be a distinction that may have existed in Windows shops, but so what? Is Red Hat using Windows Servers for their internal hosting?
I don't know exactly what you mean by "Playing the market", but it isn't the same as marketing.
Actually Stac was around awhile after the payoff.
I don't condone deliberately violating a patent as MS did in this case. I assume you don't have any problem with software patents since you agree that MS wasn't acting ethically.
Actually, it wouldn't have been. It was the significant increase in disk storage capacity that killed them.
Attributing the work of a team to a single individual is quite common. So is attributing it to the wrong guy or company.
Didn't Steve Jobs invent the Mac?
Didn't Nolan Bushnell invent the video game?
Didn't Adobe create the first page description language?
Didn't Marc Andreessen invent the web browser?
Since you didn't provide any sources I have no idea if this history is correct or not. If it's true somebody stole a paper tape. Regardless of what you think of copyright, that was clearly a theft and Gates had every right to be upset.
It's not surprising that an unreleased software program was buggy and who knows how many bugs were introduced when it was "fixed" by the thieves.
Of course, MS produced a number of other basics.
If he really did use Harvard's computer, so what? He must of had some cooperation from the Harvard staff because computers in those days weren't just sitting in unlocked rooms.
Wow, I thought the DOJ was artificially carving the market to box MS as a monopoly but apparently the EU is even better at it. I guess nobody should by a Linux server if they want to use it for a work group.
Good points. If all those who complain about how MS treated Netscape had actually purchased a copy of Netscape's browser they'd still be in business today.
Bad research has been around for a long time and writers can be guilty of it without any help from Bill Gates.
I guess people say that Gates is a "marketing genius" because they don't want to believe he's a real geek and they have to come up with some explanation for his success. If you've ever seen Bill Gates do a presentation you'd know how absurd this "marketing genius" belief is. Steve Jobs is the marketing genius in this business.
The fact is that MS existed before the PC and Gates really wrote code for their Basic interpreters. They were written in multiple assembly languages for each target processor. That's geek enough for you.
"in this case Stac electronics were able to get some money from MS - but it was a sour victory as MS has effectively removed them from the market place in the process."
Stac got around 80 million dollars from MS for their trouble. I wish I had a "sour victory" like that.
MS doesn't have a monopoly or even the top market share in some categories the EU is interested in such as servers. MS's presence in those markets is actually increasing competition. As was the case in the US, the EU is probably more interested in protecting specific MS competitors than in helping the consumer.
It's great that the programs you've written have been WORA for you, but that has not been the universal experience. For example, it's a well-known fact that Java's threading behavior has not been entirely consistent across platforms.
"Java SE may not be the Windows killer Sun used to claim it was, but there are still a lot of people running Java GUI apps, especially in enterprise applications."
At the time that Sun was claiming Java was a Windows killer there was no such thing as Java SE. That was back before Sun discovered that WORA wasn't really possible.
"Google seems to have targeted at cell phones and PDA-style devices. In that context, not supporting Java SE makes sense. But once you start deploying Android on netbooks..."
I think netbooks are primarily intended for web browsing and email. They don't seem like a good fit to be a client for enterprise applications. Nevertheless, even in the enterprise client space, Win32 is more important than Java SE.
It's not as if there's tons of legacy Java GUI apps that people want to run.
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