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Ubuntu 9.04 Released
Mohamed Zaian writes "Canonical, the commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, announced today that Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop Edition is free to download from Thursday 23 April. Also announced were the simultaneous releases of Ubuntu 9.04 Server Edition and Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix (UNR). Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop Edition delivers a range of feature enhancements to improve the user experience. Shorter boot speeds, some as short as 25 seconds, ensure faster access to a full computing environment on most desktop, laptop and netbook models. Enhanced suspend-and-resume features also give users more time between charges along with immediate access after hibernation. Intelligent switching between Wi-Fi and 3G environments has been broadened to support more wireless devices and 3G cards, resulting in a smoother experience for most users."
Does it preload the "Gnome" menu yet, or do you still get that annoying pause when you first click on it?
Does the lovely dark Dusk theme work with Gnome 2.26?
Will it kill off hardware VIA graphics (HP 2133 netbook) like the last kernel upgrade, or does it now handle these properly as a third party binary blob?
Will it give me free beer and hookers?
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Now we can have an objective conversation about how much GTK sucks.
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Jaunty Jackalope may be the poofiest name for an Ubuntu release yet, but this is the first one since the Dapper Drake (Also quite poofish) to actually improve Ubuntu's stability. Unfortunately GNOME has boned the network manager (well, we got this one in Intrepid, it was extremely nonintuitive then and it's the same now, and it's still too retarded to handle bridging) and the gnome-panel which is now a mandatory application. Also the logout panel is now stupid, you can have logout options or shutdown options but you can't have both at once. Let's all hear it for Ubuntu for making the system more stable, and let's all give GNOME a big raspberry for their constant attempts to take GUIs into the last century. (KDE still looks like the kitchen sink exploded on my desktop... but anyway.) I do have one gripe, though: Will you guys please decide on a strategy for audio? I'm getting tired of having to follow PulseAudio's PerfectSetup document, why don't y'all try reading it sometime? Not that pulseaudio came with Jaunty; too bad audio didn't work right without it.
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I triit's fast as fast can be, you'll never catch me!
Don't forget Kubuntu! It's got KDE 4.2 now!
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Still poop-brown I see. I thought I was hearing about them moving away from the brown theme a while back?
Love the encrypted home folder option. Default disk burning application has improved. Faster boot, seems faster overall (newer GCC?). Well done to all involved.
Don't make your problems my problems!
Can it boot persistently from the SD of my Eee PC 900 and will the wifi just work out of the box? Have never been able to get any of the earlier releases to do these two things.
I just came from IRC (irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-release-party). It's like the Times Square New Year Party in there.
On the clock at about 1 pm GMT, the Ubuntu website was updated, and the servers at ubuntu.com were immediately IRCdotted.
And now, we're going to Slashdot Ubuntu.com as well!
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Firstly, can we get an Ubuntu icon yet?
This release is awesome, I've been running it on my laptop, desktop and work PC for some time and it's been rock solid.
That said. There is one VERY VERY annoying thing that changed in this release. The update notification icon is no longer there unless you fiddle around with gconf. Instead you are treated to an automated "pop-under" launch of the full update manager window once a week unless it's a security update in which case it's 2 days. I dunno if this behavior has changed recently but that was the design a few weeks ago.
So that means:
a.) You probably wont know about feature/bug updates for a week.
b.) You probably wont know about security fixes for 2 days (even if it's urgent)
c.) You will get a window appear out of nowhere behind all your current windows launched seemingly by itself (yeh coz that's not gonna scare Windows migrants)
What a great idea! NOT!
P.S if you wanna revert to the old behavior, run gconf-editor. Go to apps->update-notifier and uncheck "auto-launch".
Listed towards bottom of page... http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
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At some point computers will be good enough, that it will be more work to upgrade it than it is to use it.
Ubuntu really is becoming quite easy to use - still some wackiness with 64 bit computing, and Flash, but otherwise pretty dang easy.
..........FULL STOP.
Saw it in the firehose, been waiting, so I've been torrenting for a while already this morning.
Even if you don't code, etc. this is a good way to help the F/OSS movement - share your bandwidth!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
I installed the release candidate last week, and it lasted for all of 25 minutes before it ate my desktop. I love being on the bleeding edge, but it doesn't make life easier or more productive, just more interesting.
I realize it's mostly the fault of Intel, but it would be nice if the modern (2 years old) Intel chips worked well with Linux.
I went with Intel instead of Nvidia in my laptop so I would have a more stable computer than using the binary blog nvidia provides. (and I don't game) Boy, had I known Intel would totally drop the ball I would have went with Nvidia. Ubuntu doesn't seem to be interested in pushing the issue at all, saying 'it's an upstream problem'. I got burned the same way with the g400 and it's so called open source drivers a decade ago. It took them almost 4 years to get them out the door, and they sucked when they were out.
It's a real sad the best video support on linux is from closed source nvidia drivers and their competitors don't even care.
Check out the list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bugs
So, back on topic, does anybody know how horrid Intel video is in this final release? I need to decide if I'm going to upgrade or not, last I heard it's even worse and locks up after a few minutes. I have an x3100/GM965.
Which will undoubtedly be named Masturbating Monkey.
Weren't they going to ditch the brown already? I thought I read a Slashdot story about Ubuntu getting a new theme that doesn't attempt to inspire retching subliminally.
Seems generally more stable, I've been running the RC for a couple of days now. Not many immediately noticeable changes but lots of improved under the hood support. Beware if you have an older ATI card you might run into problems.
Anyway, the thing I'm really not sure of is the notifications system. Just about the only option with them seems to be to change their positioning via gconf-editor (and even that seems to be broken). I understand the philosophy behind them (see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253) but they seem to be a little too unconfigurable, even for Gnome. Their black appearance would suit the KDE default theme, but it certainly doesn't fit in well with my much lighter Clearlooks theme in Gnome and there's no way to change that. One of the things I like about Gnome is the integrated look and feel of the entire system, whereas these stand out oddly. There is no way to dismiss them, so things get irritating when I want to use the search bar in Firefox and there's a notification covering it (these things could well be click transparent but it's still irritating). There is no way to configure what gets displayed as a notification either; I don't think I need each and every Pidgin message to be displayed as a notification for reasons of both privacy and distraction. To me, the notifications system seems a little too much like an answer looking for a problem. I may well disable them soon, after giving them a fair trial. The only sane way to do that seems to be to remove the notify-osd daemon. So much for ease of use!
That all said, it's my only major gripe with the upgrade, and that system was always going to be controversial. Hopefully it grows and improves. If not, I'm not forced to run it. Overall, this seems to be a steady incremental release that smoothes over a few rough patches and should hopefully do me well for another 6 months. Ubuntu is still the only distribution that I have not had very regular problems with on the desktop.
Check your own quote. "Free to download FROM Thursday" ...
so its free to download from then onwards, not just then. And I've no intention of getting into a "but was it free before then?" debate. Its targetting it at teh windows & mac users.
Major changes:
The Jaunty overview should be put on the main page of Ubuntu.com. It really is pointless making that page otherwise. Instead an Ubuntu tour for 9.04 is the main link from the website. That tour really doesn't make Ubuntu sound like a very advanced OS.
Though I haven't upgraded to Jaunty as yet, I don't believe it is something the average user should get excited about. Karmic may.
"oh look, Internet is at the door" -- Ubuntu mirrors.
I think I'll wait to upgrade until they fix the Intel video driver -- almost everyone with the 965 chip has had problems.
Or I could just get a new laptop with an AMD or nVidia chip...
What is the big deal with boot times?? Really?? With all the catching up to do in the desktop arena, this is what they're focusing on?? No wonder desktop Linux has fizzled out. What a joke. You have a display manager that doesn't have a proper driver model, the only decent driver is a blob that is a hack to bypass x.orgs own facilities to get full blown acceleration, and they're focusing on BOOT TIMES??
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t is a great release with a lot of cool new features, but I have one very unlikely complain.
Canonicals marketing is not very good.
When Novell and Red Hat release a new version you find all cool new features on their webpages.
Not so for Canonical, for example Dustin Kirkland did an amazing job with screen profiles, where screen essentially becomes the window manager for the Ubuntu server and it displays interesting infos (like EC2 costs, avail. updates, mem usage etc. etc. etc.)
It is very easy to configure and a real win for every Ubuntu server admin.
No word about it on any of their websites. That is kinda funny, because a lot of people say Canonical is mostly great in the marketing department.
Well, the ubuntu mirrors are pretty busy here.
I've just syncronized mine and will be added to official list in next hours so... If you want to download the new isos before everyone know it, use ubuntu.ictvalleumbra.it. There are 100 mbit waiting the next hours hell.
You mean the charges didn't stick?
The courts are rigged!
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I dislike how FUSA (the Fast User Switch Applet) also has IM status and shutdown options. And that the shutdown options from the system menu are removed when you use FUSA. But at least you have a choice not to use FUSA. Other than that, very good stuff!
Having 'Remix' in an operating system's name is a big turnoff. It immedietely marks it as nerdware and is going to cause most 'normal' users to balk at the idea of going near it. Sometimes Linux really does shoot itself in the foot.
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In a stunning public relations coup, Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ: MNPLY) has successfully overshadowed today's release of Ubuntu Linux 9.04 "Jaunty Jubblies" by announcing its failed financials for a fourth quarter in a row and laying even more people off.
Microsoft announced new and expanded roles for remaining key executives as another several lesser, losing quitters deserted upper management. "It shows the fantastic opportunity available to everyone at Microsoft to climb seven or eight reporting levels up the org chart," said marketing marketer Steve Ballmer to pitchfork-wielding Wall Street analysts today. "If we haven't laid them off for making too much money or not kissing enough ass."
The Yahoo! deal is expected to go ahead. "We figure they'll go broke before we do. Probably." Mr Ballmer also plans to run the Yahoo! servers on Windows NT rather than FreeBSD after a similar change worked so well at Hotmail. "Some say synergy's another word for two plus two equals one, but you just have to make the value of one work for you."
Windows 7 betas have been greeted with remarkable positive press. "Of course, the betas preview the 'champagne and hookers' edition, which would be way too much for netbooks and explode users' brains. Imagine thinking those little things are computers! So we're releasing what we call Windows 7 Dumbass Edition. It lets you log in and look at the shiny. Even Spider Solitaire has the ribbon toolbar! And you can buy an upgrade to the version that runs programs! It lets you do that!" Dumbass Edition comes with pre-installed viruses to make the computer part of the Storm, Conficker and FBI botnets. "If you can't beat ’em, join ’em."
However, Microsoft has indicated to its press corps, Microsoft Completely Enderlependent Analysts, to ixnay on the evensay and highlight the job openings for work on Windows 8, firmly penciled in for a 2012 release. Windows 8 will be optimised for low-end 32-core systems with a mere 16 gigabytes of memory — 28 cores for the interface, 3 cores for the DRM and one core for everything else. "Seven is just so this year. I hear they'll get $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM done next release for sure!" said ZDNet marketing marketer Mary-Jo Enderle. "It'll be awesome!"
"I'm sure it'll be fine, fine," said Bill Gates, upping his hours at his charitable foundation and scheduling the sale of several more packages of Microsoft stock.
Larry Ellison of Oracle, who recently purchased Sun Microsystems, merely snickered, muttered "Java. OpenOffice." and let out a long and resounding laugh.
Mark Shuttleworth of Canonical, speaking from his castle on a crag high on a mountaintop in west London, was sanguine at Ubuntu's news being overshadowed. "I lost ten million dollars on Ubuntu last year. I'm losing ten million dollars on Ubuntu this year. I expect to lose ten million dollars on Ubuntu next year. At this rate, I'll be broke in ... sixty years."
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"Wait wait wait wait... these guys actually CHARGE for Ubunghole?"
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There are now three ways for you to get Ubuntu. Just choose the delivery option that works best for you: * Download now - Download the Ubuntu, * Buy on CD or DVD, * Request a free CD
Jaunty Jackelope is certainly worth a download. I've been using it on my eeePC 900 with the Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) for a month and while its got its shortcomings, overall its the best OS I'v used with my netbook.
The greatest plus is Ext4. I know that isn't an Ubuntu exclusive upgrade or anything (Fedora 11 is going to offer the option of installing to a Ext4 partition) but combine that w/ my SSD and I boot in like 23 seconds flat...I don't even bother "putting the pc to sleep" since I boot so quick, I just shut down.
The downfall that I found with this release, and Intrepid Ibex, is w/ the eeePC hardware and graphics tiling. Basically the kernal being used in the release candidate has some issues threading the graphics processing and you get signifigant and annoying lag in the UNR interface...but only there. If you open any app it runs as normal, but the UNR interface lags like a son of a bitch. A patched kernal update did fix this however that fix was reverted due to other issues and as of yet a new kernal patch addressing all issues has not been released. You and review the details of the bug here. The .41 kernal is what is shipping and the .40 kernel is what works w/ the eeePC. If you want to install your own kernel you can get the .40 here.
The use of Ext4 makes this a true upgrade and a reason to install a new build. Enjoy!
Heheh. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cringe over the Jonas Brother's being featured on the "tour" slideshow.
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/904features/
Genuine indication of real-world interest or too much South Park? ;)
Ive been using Jaunty since alpha3 & as lot people say, its rock solid! i got a quad core intel machine where running this version of Ubuntu on 64 bits takes my computer to another dimension. Wel done!
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Masturbatory monkey is just plain wrong. Please try again. I vote malicious millipede. Maybe menopausal mongoose.
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
Today was the first time everything worked out of the preverbal box! I have owned an Inspiron 1526 for more than a year and have installed ubuntu since 7.10 (and just about every other popular distro). The reason why I got rid of 8.04 was because it would cause a kernel panic when connecting to a wireless network using CA certification... not the case. I used to have to explore the reaches of the internet to find drivers and tutorials for the HDMI hookup... both video and sound worked without a hitch! Loving this upgrade!!!
At least in my country and LATAM in general, I think the Server Edition only could thrive if Oracle Server can be certified at some time. As each day pass on, this looks more difficult.
In general, I fail to understand the Canonical offering of Ubuntu Server compared to CentOS/RedHat Servers (or even Suse).
I tested the waters a couple of weeks ago by downloading the prerelease version of Jaunty as an iso and burning it to a live cd. My machine wouldn't boot from the live cd (started to boot, didn't complete the process). I don't have any trouble booting from a live cd of other versions of Ubuntu, and this machine currently has intrepid, which works fine. It's an x64 box.
Is anyone else having problems like this? I'm definitely chicken to upgrade if there's a risk of making my system unbootable. I'm all in favor of shorter boot times, but it does have to boot.
The impression I generally get is that it's a good idea to wait at least a few weeks before upgrading to a newly released version of ubuntu.
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any update on the vmware tools issue with 9.04?
Mr. Ballmer, You should try putting brown sugar in your oatmeal to start your day off with a little sweetness.
Since in the past it was not possible, just wondering, if hibernation can work with your swap partition encrypted with LUKS/dm-crypt.
Aside from that, does swap size have to match physical RAM for hibernation, even if the machine has copious and largely unused amounts of it?
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When will they learn not to dumb it down and provide the same security problems as with other os's I find the same if not bigger security vulnerabilities if not bigger by tying to make things easier
I installed the release candidate when it came out. Since I wanted to use it on a server, I decided to use software RAID. That was a nightmare all-around. First, their disk partitioner (the one that comes with ubuntu server anyhow) is junk. It gets horribly confused when there are existing partitions and won't let you remove them. I had to use dd to manually wipe sections of the disk before I could get the disk partitioned properly. After that, the installation went smoothly... until I it was time to reboot.
The machine wouldn't boot because it couldn't find the md devices. Some googling revealed some commands I could type into the busybox to get it to boot. But of course, I would have to enter these commands every time I booted.
And then the RAID array came up degraded. I did a lot of googling to find out how to rebuild the array, but every tutorial I found (including Ubuntu ones) mentoned device names (like /dev/sda1) that no longer exist in Ubuntu, so there was no way I could figure out the correct device node to use to re-add the second disk. And of course, it seems that it never occurred to Ubuntu developers to provide tools for this or do anything automatic.
So much for being a user-friendly distro. I actually had to go back to using Gentoo just so I could get what, to me, are basic things working. At least Gentoo documents stuff do you can fix it yourself. Ubuntu figures everything WILL be automatic, so they don't document it, so you're SoL when it doesn't work.
Software RAID has always taken a back seat for Ubuntu. I know one developer who has put a lot of work into it, but apparently his efforts have been thwarted by others. If you want a really basic desktop, Ubuntu is fine. But don't even consider it for anything server-related. The fact that they even offer a server edition makes them out to be dishonest.
Oh, and BTW, I went back and looked at the bug reports relating to software RAID not working. As far as I can tell, they havn't done anything to fix this between the RC and the release.
I had 2 boxes upgraded to the RC with no issues.
My main work desktop died an ugly death.
Apparently the ethernet channel bonding in mode 4 with 2 intel nics kernel panics the box at startup. This worked perfectly in 8.10.
I am disappointed!! I have no clue how this could get past QA prior to realease. This is a real show-stopper!
On the other hand if you use network manager, the OTP for vpn connections is now fixed & works properly.
"If you like it better than Windows I'll eat my own ass."
I like it better than Windows. Do you need a napkin?
My Hardy Heron laptop is rock solid. I think I'll just stick with the status quo.
"When Novell and Red Hat release a new version you find all cool new features on their webpages. Not so for Canonical, for example Dustin Kirkland did an amazing job with screen profiles .. No word about it on any of their websites"
.. ..
They did do a Podcast that discusses screen profiles, on the ubuntupodcast website. And they do mention Ubuntu 'release parties'. Which sounds a lot more interactive than a post to a web site.
17:46: on marketing
30:50 Dustin Kirkland on Screen Profiles
If you get so many bug-reports that the bug-report server goes down, is it
a) Good! The coming Knowledgeable Kangaroo and Littering Leopard will be the best releases ever
b) Good! They're not bugs anyway. We designed it this way.
c) Phew! The internet connection is still working.
d) Good! So many people... We must come together in real life so we can exchange business cards
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I've tried both Easy Peasy 1.1 RC and Eeebuntu 2.0 Standard. Both appear to recognize my hardware and work okay. I didn't try Bluetooth or Webcam, though.
I upgraded Eeebuntu's OpenOffice from 2.4 to 3 (IIRC), and it appears to work great. The only things hampering me from productivity bliss are the keyboard size and touchpad position.
I'm now trying Xandros Presto 1.0 Trial on my Eee 901 (installed in the 4GB SSD) and learning about BartPE on USB. My aim is to find a way to tell people to "try Linux, it boots really, really fast", and hopefully find a free distro that can match Xandro's 6-second boot time (after the NTLDR and GRUB4DOS menus).
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Well if you have an application that wont work under linux not even an emulator will run it because of certain limitations any linux will be garbage but thats both the apps fault and linux's fault.. Applications wont be built for linux when linux only control's not even .9 out of 100 computers
Anyways I like it other than pulse audio they should of bit the bullet like fedora and implemented it 2 or 3 version ago along with fedora then by now it would be better implemented..
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Please, please eat your own ass. I'd pay to watch. Nom nom.
Do you want salt? And while Ubuntu's default look isn't great, it's still good to use an OS that only LOOKS like shit.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Way to go. This inspires me to upgrade from Hardy!
Aside from the improvements noted, these are things to consider:
My favorite are these security improvements: ... username)
* sha256 passwords (shadow)
* encrypted home directory with ecryptfs (adduser --encrypt-home
Evolution now supports PST files! This is a plus for people ditching Outlook.
Also, you can tight Google Addressbook, Google Gmail, Google Calendar into Evolution. Eliminating the need for Exchange altogether (if your company is willing to pay $25 a year per user for 25G of data. Awesome deal).
Please do a Fresh Install. Do not bother upgrading. That way your passwords will be store with a better hash.
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All the known issues? You don't work in software dev... Dang, didn't notice your ID. Troll alert.
Seriously, I was all like, "sure, maybe I'll download Ubuntu 9.04 and give it a whirl... but I should probably find out what q2k is doing, first..."
Nah, everyone ignores the known issues and convinces themselves (and anyone within earshot) that Ubuntu is shit-coloured gold.
Ubuntu works great on the PS3. I tried SUSE but it ran like sludge, not enough memory. But Ubuntu is brilliant.
Well done, excellent stuff :)
I see this release finally includes drivers for RT2860 based wifi cards. This will definitely make my life easier as having to recompile the drivers manually every time a new kernel package came out was getting old. With that in place, this may finally be the first time I'll be able to install an Ubuntu system without having to hunt for any drivers.
Thankfully last time I did a frseh install, I remembered to put /home on a different partition, so I may just do another fresh install this time instead of upgrading.
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So I just started using Ubuntu in November from a Hardy CD I got from my Comp. Sci. Teacher. So far I've got it working nicely (save for the pulseaudio thing, but that's fixed with a quick killall script at bootup). Been reading over a lot of the discussions here, but it's more for the "Lawl I know what the Hell I'm doing with this machine 100%" group, and I'm more of a "Does it have the compilers I need for class, and firefox? Awesome" type. As that kind of a user, is it worth upgrading right now, or should I wait for the next LT version?
I've spent the last week trying to get the RC working. I started with fresh install and ext4/encrypted home directory. It appeared to work but locked within an hour. (hard lock sometimes with caps/number lock flashing)
I noticed they had a problem with deletes in ext4 and so reformatted to ext3. Then I got kernel oops with what appeared to be the encrypted home directory stuff. So I turned that off as well and still was getting lockups. After days of reading bugs with the kernel 2.6.28, nvidia 180 drivers, and the intel 4965 wireless, I've still not solved the problem. It's hard to troubleshoot as there are no logs and the system is dead even to sysrq commands. I did see an issue with the hpet having problems, so I tried the other modes such as jiffies. Even used noapic/etc trying to get a stable system. Nothing seems to work. Funny thing is that 8.04 and 8.10 were rock solid on my system.
In many cases, running firefox and trying to watch flash video causes the lockups. Sometimes in less than five minutes.
Just FYI for anyone using similar hardware
Dell m1730
Intel X9000 @ 3.4GHz
4gb RAM
dual SSD 64GB RAID-0 (dual boot with XP)
dual nVidia 8800M GTX (SLI)
30" Dell LCD @ 2560x1600
Intel 4965 Wireless
Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
Boot failures on systems with Intel D945 motherboards
Users have reported slower than normal detection of SATA hard drives on systems with Intel D945 motherboards in Ubuntu 9.04. This may cause the system to drop to a busybox initramfs shell on boot with a "Gave up waiting for root device." error. Wait a minute or two and then exit the initramfs shell by typing 'exit'. Booting should proceed normally. If it doesn't, wait a bit longer and try again. Once the system boots, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add rootdelay=90 to the kernel stanza for your current kernel. (290153)
could that be your problem ?
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Because you'd never, ever release.
Why has boot speeds all of a sudden become a "thing"? Both my home Vista (desktop) and Gentoo (laptop) boxes almost never get shut down - when I'm not using them, I put them in standby/sleep mode. They draw almost no power in that mode and return to full usuability in about 3 seconds for Vista and about 15 for Gentoo (waiting for wireless to resume).
I submitted the gNewSense 2.2 release but it never made /.
Release announcement: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2009-04/msg00028.html
FSF announcement: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/gnewsense-2.2-released/
"Masturbating" is an adjective in this case. In fact, it's what's known as a verbal adjective. But we get your point.
Well, shipping without known issues is a lot different than shipping bug-free. The former can be done but the latter probably can't.
It wasn't meant as a troll.
I spent of lot of years developing embedded software and we never shipped anything with a known issue. It may be shocking to software developers today, but that was a common policy in software development.
Of course our projects were a lot smaller than an OS.
But will it fuck my original install when I attempt to upgrade like it has every-single-time I've upgraded Ubuntu?
OK class, compare the following statements:
"...from Thursday 23 April."
"...on Thursday 23 April."
I just installed the RC the other day, and unfortunately I've seen several crashes and freezes - mainly when switching users and when trying to run Boxee and Sauerbraten.
I've been using Ubuntu on my Inspiron i8000 notebook since v6.04. But starting v8.10, the minimum RAM requirements nearly exceeded the 512 max RAM the notebook can hold. With a small app or two running it's right at 512MB used. Running Evolution or especially Firefox puts it far over, grinding the whole machine to a halt as it constantly swaps. To make matters worse, the nVidia GeForce2Go GPU doesn't seem supported by compvis, so the GPU doesn't offload the CPU for lots of graphics.
I'm hoping the 9.04 release now might possibly have some upgrade that relieves the RAM pressure. But I expect it will just get worse. Is there any simple way to trim the minimum RAM requirements of Ubuntu down below say 300MB (without losing GNOME)? Maybe if there's a simple way to convert the machine into just an X server to a separate faster box across the LAN, without saturating the LAN. Or maybe I finally have to kiss goodbye my 7 year old notebook and its fabulous 1600x1200 LCD.
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Seriously - is the wireless for laptops working reliabily and quickly on any of these releases yet? I keep trying these releases only to be disappointed by the wireless performance I get from them everytime. Either it works or it doesn't. So far it doesn't. This isn't just on one laptop either, this is on over 5 laptops in 3 years. Either the wireless isn't supported at all, or it drops connection, or it is slow as shit.
I have yet to read any cogent argument for why pulse exists, what it is for, or why we somehow need it. I spent more than two days with that ...insert scatological reference... and finally just removed it and now I have audio back working.
Remove all Mono-based applications and install MonoNoNo to keep the MS-backed trojan horses out. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mono_Applications
Thanks for pointing that out, but I don't have an Intel mobo. However, it does sound like what happened to me, so maybe it's a similar issue, with a different mobo.
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In the Net Applications webstats Win 7 has a 0.21% share of the global desktop. Linux - all flavors - 0.9%. Operating System Market Share
Does Ubuntu have 20% of the Linux desktop?
Net Applications provides services to clients who have no interest in counting licenses or the locked-down corporate desktop - only in hits to pages that reach their target mass-market audience.
The user for whom the OEM system install has been the gold standard for close on to thirty years.
That makes Win 7's showing in Beta all the more interesting.
I really don't understand a thing about what's happening here.
You guys always say ... "Linux by definition is more stable", "Ubuntu is the best linux OS", "It never crashes", etc. etc.
And yet a new version gets out and the only comments you post are "They improved stability, NICE" and "It's more stable".
WTF ?
Open Source fails again.
Apple OS X for the win!
Moblin can supposedly be made to boot very quickly.
I'd like to install this on a machine that neither has a CD drive nor can boot from USB devices through the bios. Is there a way to make grub boot from an ISO file?
-Bucky
I'm in the new Ubuntu 9.04, works fine !!! :-)
So, someone who has tried it out... Does it have support for g77? I have a bunch of legacy code that requires some of the old fortran 77 libraries and these are unavailable in 8.10. Gfortran is not an option for me... I love ubuntu, but if they keep it out I might have to switch distros... Honest question.
[Windows is] the universal corporate standard for a reason.
Because Microsoft has the world's best marketing department, a monopoly on the desktop OS market, and a userbase that refuses to think critically?
Let q be a radix > 1. I am in ur base-q, killing 10 d00ds.
I really should know better. I did a dist upgrade and the reboot came up with a blank screen. Several reboots and nothing. I then booted and ctrl-alt-f4 to bring up a virtual terminal and I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. Well it changed things... it now doesn't even recognise the filing system. The whole system is completely borked. Am downloading the CD from a friend's laptop but it's yet another reformat job. I am SO disappointed.
Phillip.
The funny part is that this almost works: preverbal:Having not yet learned to speak --one day it will talk muhuhahaha But thank you!
ext4 had a bug where large files will corrupt the FS. An updated kernel image is available through update. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/348836
Release notes
Personally I find this very disappointing. I specifically bought an Intel based laptop and desktop because their drivers are open.
It seems strange that a distro that sometimes bends over backwards to make binary blobs easily installable hasn't put more effort into getting the Intel issues sorted out.
How many newbies are going to be bitten by the:
hidden halfway through the release notes?
It's seems borderline unprofessional that a release can be made with such a known issue on a pretty common piece of hardware.
So, I'm a die-hard KDE user. I'm all excited about the new release! I can't wait to upgrade to a KDE that's actually useful as opposed to the get-lost-this-is-for-developers-only version. So I check out the release web page, and I see that there are a few known issues here:
WTF?? Wireless doesn't work? Package manager doesn't work!? Kmail doesn't work!??
Okay, you may be saying, "It's not that it doesn't work, it's that certain functions with certain applications in certain circumstances don't work." Umm, but it worked before, and now with the newer version it stops working? Okay, network manager only fails to connect to some networks. I mean, who cares, right? As long as your network is not one of those "some". It only fails if the network is hidden. I mean, what's the infinitesimal chance that you would actually hide your network SSID, right? KPackageKit works some of the time!? I don't care if it's "most" of the time. How would you like it if you bought a product that worked "most" of the time?
It's not as if this is some bleeding edge version. It's KDE 4.2 already. And, sitting right next to it is a perfectly functional KDE 3.5 that people have been using for ages. Why Kubuntu being released with so many issues?
What were those Kubuntu distro managers thinking!? In an effort to find out, I browsed some bug discussion pages.
One person said:
"Maybe we should switch back to knetworkmanager as the default network manager because I don't think this problem will be fixed shortly. knetworkmanager doesn't look as nice as the plasma widget, but can handle hidden aps and works fine with kubuntu."
But another one says,
"This won't be possible for two reasons. First, the final release is only weeks away. It is way to late to make an intrusive change like that. Second, I have heard the developers say that there is no room on the CD left for the KDE3 libraries that would be necessary to run NetworkManager. Hopefully, KNetworkManager4 will have been released and/or the bugs in the plasmoid will have been fixed in time for Karmic."
Umm, so, translation: we have to use software that works "most" of the time instead of a perfectly functioning networking piece of software, whose only disadvantage is that it is not as aesthetically pleasing, because
This attitude of "yeah, it's buggy --we'll just get it out there, get some users to beta-test it for us (Surprise! YOU'VE been selected to beta-test OUR buggy software!) and just tell people to upgrade" makes me wonder whether the KDE developers are trying to update their resumes for a job hunt at Microsoft. "My software engineering skills include: successfully releasing piece-of-crap software and fo
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
[GPG key in journal]
Theres 3 alternatives essentially and a few permutations.
Dual boot, best of both worlds on a single system but an annoying delay as you switch context. you can read ext2 in windows and ntfs in linux but you might want to share data via a third partition both systems can be a bit cranky when the files get messed with by the other OS.
wine.
Can be enough if its just one or two things that you need from windows. Can be quirky.
conversely
cygwin, which really needs experience on the (unix/linux) command line to get the best out of it.
A VM .bundle file and it will install smoothly (the tar file is difficult to impossible to install without some expertise).
Virtualbox and vmware are about on a par with each other virtualbox is maybe easier on the install vmware make sure you go for the
with virtualisation you can host with windows or linux and have the other as guest. If you play 3d windows games it needs to be host really, the VM's will give poor 3d performance compared to native.
If you can live with that put windows in the VM and know that once you have the hdd image backed up repairing a broken installation is as simple as copying a file.
If you keep your data in a shared folder on the host you will lose very little, should you need to wipe the VM but since the VM is not out on the net unless you want it there it can stay clean. Also your less likely to install an odd ball program which doesnt do what you think its going to do. since there is a good chance linux has a free alternative. running cracked copies of software is a bit pointless if there is a linux alternative which meets your requirements, eg why pirate Nero when k3b would do what you need instead.
I think if you have the space dual boot and have a vm on either or both installs. In six months to a year you will know which option is best for you for a particular task and thats all that matters.
Choose the best tool for your needs and you won't go far wrong and its not religion you don't need to choose one or the other.
Btw 9.04 Aspire one installs really nicely with the alt CD everything essential appears to be working, the atom cpu is set to frequency scale on demand and it feels quite responsive. only negative so far the wifi light isn't flashing. (ok not perfect automatic partitioning sets swap too small.
Blarney Quality Restaurant, Plants
It's things like this that must make vendors question the value of opening their drivers. Despite the (perhaps theoretical) advantages you'd expect from being as open as Intel is with their graphics hardware the end result in this particular version of Ubuntu seems well short.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
The official site has no torrent for the Netbook Remix - here is an unoffical torrent:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/download/HTTP/1890254/3100888
I tried the RC a week ago and could not get it to boot. It dumps into busybox on the usb detection. My hardware is pretty generic, athlon 64 3000, sis chipset. I never had a problem with ubuntu before, and it seems kernel related. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362629
Kind of a bummer that I can't even boot. One of these days I'll install linux without a single showstopper.....
zosxavius photography
But if we tell you we liked it, and you eat your own ass, won't we just be feeding the trolls?
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure everything I just said is completely wrong.
It is very unfortunate that the Eclipse package has been stuck at 3.2 in Ubuntu repos for several major releases already (the most recent version of Eclipse is currently 3.4.2). Given that Eclipse is one of the best FOSS IDEs out there (with only NetBeans being comparable - better in some things, worse in others), it is surprising that the effectively "#1 desktop Linux" can afford to alienate developers like that.
You can share recipes and brew your own, but it's unlikely you can prosecute anyone for close-sourcing your beer recipe.
They can't close your source but they can close their modifications. I prefer BSD licenses over the GPL just for this reason. For some projects at least. If I'm going to spend a lot of tyme working on a given project I'd like to be able to get paid for it if I'm going to release it.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
WinXP is a nice system and the best OS M$ has ever produced.
Not by me. The first tyme I used XP it froze while booting up, on a brand new PC. The best version of MS Windows I've used was NT4.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
FuckwitBuntu - Linux for fuckwit racist ACs
How newbie do you have to be to screw up a dual-boot?
It depends on how low, er high, you set the bar.
Anyone with half a brain will do extensive Googling to make sure they know exactly how to do it.
Two problems here, there are some who will not take the tyme to Google. Then the info may be hard to find if available. Some may not want to take the tyme to properly map out how they're going to install Ubuntu or any other Linux distro. I went through this when I decide to install 8.10 on my MacBook Pro. I spent days researching how to install it on my MBP to dualboot it with Leopard and set it up just the way I wanted. I want to have each OS on it's own partition as well as a third partition for user data. That's no problem as Disk Utility will partition drives. I also want to use the same data stores in each OS, for instance I want my email showing up in both Leopard and Ubuntu without having to sync everything, or have my Firefox history be the same in both. I also want a VM so I can run Ubuntu when I boot into Leopard and visa versa. Eventually I decided to wait until Jaunty Jackalope came out.
When I saw today that Jaunty Jackalope was released I spent more than an hour googling on how to install it. I found out how to install on some MBPs but not my version, I found instructions for MacBook Pro R2 and R5 but not for R3 which I have. I'll give it a few more days.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
I believe it is you who are garbage - more specifically, the biggest fucking piece of shit to ever post on this site. Fuck off and die, and leave the planet's resources to those who will contribute something to society.
I'm not sure how they managed to achieve that, but package management doesn't work with VMware Workstation 6.5. I tried both Ubuntu and Kubuntu 9.04, and I could neither list nor do anything else with packages. It's so strange that I suspect VMware might have actively broken something in the installation. I can't imagine why else would something like packages not work in any virtual machine.
Deus est fatalis
I wouldn;t use windows if you paid me. I simply don't think its ready for the desktop.
Thees ees Nelson Mandela, and I pronounce Ubuntu, "ooboontoo."
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that. But wouldn't it be funny if they hosted on *BSD or something?
Nice way to flip off Earth Day, ensure high energy utilization all over the world.
Or is better laptop power management the real point, yeah I'm going with that.
I first switched from Gentoo to Kubuntu when Edgy came out. This was followed by three top-notch Kubuntu releases, so upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid was a rude awakening. I kind of cobbled together a usable system with Intrepid + the KDE 4.2 PPA archives, and over time things got a lot better, to the point that Intrepid was shaping up to be a quite nice distro.
Then I upgraded to Jaunty. Big mistake - Jaunty's KDE actually seems less stable than Intrepid + PPA. WTF is going on here. Crashes left and right, a total lack of integration (why, for instance, are Konqueror's extensions not installed by default, with the result that Konq RSS functionality is missing, and no clue as to why unless you know the specific package that needs to be installed). Plus, a broken package manager as mentioned in the parent, and countless other niggling issues.
Clearly, Kubuntu needs some serious manpower and an overhaul of the way it works with the main Ubuntu distro. The rub is, I cannot imagine that anyone would be crazy enough to volunteer, given the current sorry state of affairs.
Like the parent poster, I probably should go KDE distro shopping, but what I have seen out there so far does not look very appealing to me. I do not want a rolling release - Gentoo has soured me on that for a lifetime -, so Arch Linux is out.
With GFortran you can just use the equivalent C data types directly. g2c is not necessary. If you have to, just create your own header file with the appropriate typedefs.
That's all good and all. I just wish Ubuntu had a forums you could use. The mods there censor every damned thing you can think of. Its worse than those draconian debian mods that stalk you on irc like a pedophile. Least we still got http://club-ubuntu.org/
Got banned again for necromancing a dead thread on ubuntu. Well geez why don't you remove that features then duh not my fault for not reading some unintelligible numbers somewhere on the page when I'm posting at 4am half asleep. It was either that or the reply to the guy that I was skeletor and using Satanic edition ubuntu (http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/) I would rule the lands of Eternia and make him my slave.
Is the swap partition encrypted too? Encrypting home without swap is not exactly sensible...
It's ok to think about Windows critically, but of you think critically about Linux then you are a troll. I can go into Ubuntu and find tonnes of flaws just like I can when I go into Windows. The Ubuntu fanboys wont accept that alot of Linux software is crap, has a bad GUI and is a cheap knockoff of something for Windows.
that's funny. my 3g card was working just fine until i upgraded to the alpha a few months ago. still haven't gotten it working again, it's worthless to me now.
real smooth.
My system is updating this morning to the latest release. Ubuntu makes updating a breeze. At least I hope this one will work like the last one did. Anyone had any issues updating versus loading from scratch?
So, you admit that you haven't used it. That's OK, we'll wait while you download and run the livecd.
P.S. windows is the corporate standard because manager feel safe when MS tells them "we'll get that patched right away!"
I never had NT4 crash or throw up the BSOD. Other than Win3.x all other versions of Windows I used did. However I have NT4 running on a DEC Alpha I got from Microway. Because I wasn't able to install much software installed on it I didn't use it as much as I would have liked.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Nothing wrong with it except everyone else can sell it, or give if away, as well.
how many business/home types will honestly take your work and maintain/support it on their own?
Sure service and support can be a viable business model, that's the model Canonical, Redhat, and other distros use. However I don't want to do service and support. Originally I started out wanting to start a photography business but didn't want to spend thousands of dollars on software when I was just starting out. So I thought I'd look for FOOS apps I could use. As part of the business I want to start selling online. In talking with a number of photography students and pros many expressed an interest in putting their own portfolios online, to sell and or to display their work. So I thought that maybe what I could do if I were to create my own system, was to go ahead and sell it to others to earn some more money. If the source code is available I couldn't prevent others from selling or giving it away. But if I only sell binaries that require a license for it to fully useful, like trialware, I may be able to generate some income.
Now I wouldn't keep it closed "forever", at least it seems that's where copyrights are headed, but would release the code after some months or maybe year has gone by. I'd like to do it like this to make it worthwhile to spend a lot of tyme programming instead of shooting photos, I want to be a photographer not a software company.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Yes there is. Our brains are wired to remember words (dozens of thousands of them), and not to run up and down menus looking for options.
Every non-trivial graphic app with more than a few options should have its own built-in commandline so that people who know what they want (and so don't need to search around for it in a forest of menus) can type it in directly, and programmable buttons so that they can assign their most-used commandlines to them.
But if you don't understand the inherently greater power of CLI already then it's pointless trying to explain it to you. You can't make a GUI as powerful as a CLI unless you actually perform a mapping of graphics to textual elements, including wildcards, and even that will fail because graphics can't make use of our extraordinary ability to remember words.
I recall reading there were proprietary parts.
But for the most part Windows drivers are better than the Linux equivalent.
If you're running Trident cards, then the same is true.
Even Neomagic.
ATI drivers are better in Windows as well.
Not to sound biased, I like Slackware with a KDE configured to look like Gnome sort of.
But I'm a graphics programmer at heart and I need my 3d fix.
60% of what my hardware is capable of isn't going to cut it.
Given nobody will ever see this because here i sit can't even remember my password or login.
Given all the time we've all wasted typing our responses in.
It's a sad life.
Linux 2.4.32 was the last great linux kernel.
XFree86 was the last great Xwindows.
l8r
I have fallen for Ubuntu and I can't get up! My hope is that this launch comes preloaded with Compiz Fusion. That stuff blows me away. Who wouldn't want their display windows to spontaniously combust when you close them? I ask you who?