Ogg is apparently not the best (but who's to trust those musically inclined people)... so what's the purpose of this article?
"On MP3Pro, I could hear the valves closing on the clarinet and the bassoon," said Peter Hubscher, a rock guitarist. "I couldn't on Vorbis."
Lew Lipnick, the NSO's contrabassoonist and an audio consultant, expressed the majority opinion about the tone quality of Vorbis -- that its high notes sounded harsher and its low tones were harder to hear. "It sounds dry and artificial," he said. Kenny Ruyter, a recording engineer who runs the Web site East Coast Bands (www.eastcoastbands.com), added that notes blended together in Vorbis. "It lost definition when people in the background were playing," he said
Now before I get trolled for not discussing the patenting issues, I'm specifically targeting these two lines:
Is Ogg Vorbis making a chance to become the next music-standard for the net and beyond.
and
Who'll Be Using Ogg Vorbis Instead Of MP3?
(which is the title of the article.) Judging by this I'm afraid to try Ogg Vorbis, and even more so that it'd become the "standard for the internet"... ick! Good effort by the Vorbis guys, but to me, in a music file sound quality is #1, size is #2. Just my thoughts...
Maybe I should have mentioned that this applies for cellphones, per the article:
"The new sound could also rid everyday life of one of its embarrassing moments, when everyone in a room searches for their mobile phone when just one rings."
Assuming that this "chussh chussh" even works, who's to say that in a small room full of 30 people carrying cellphones in their pocket, a "chusssh chussh" is confusing. A vibration in someone's pocket isn't, and a custom tone is less confusing too.
On that note, testing the chusssh chusssh should be easy, walk down a busy street and emit said noises. I can guarantee that people will indeed stop, turn and look at you, but to perform a different natural reaction: laugh. Puh-leeze... after re-reading the article it seems to be more of a patriotic british discovery than a scientific focused article. "Yay, this discovery is one of britain's finest and can make many commercial products. Go britain. 30 countries showed interest"... then again i'm a damned yank so i'll shut up.
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I think the whole point of selectable/customizable ring tones is the fact that users can make the phone their own, to fit their own personality, and considering 75% of my school population carries around a Nokia 5160, it's a Very Good Thing that they're not all ringing the same tone.
I liked the phones best that you could program in your own tones... I'm sure people could provide linkage to sites dedicated to such melodies. Nothin like the Simpsons theme letting you know someone's calling. ________________________________________________ __
uh, last time i checked, people kill people. Jeez, and even DMX of all people said that in "Romeo Must Die." ___________________________________________ _______
worse yet, your parents (or hers!) come to visit and turn on the tube... "Gee, son, there's a whole lot of ads for porno products on tv today! Back in my day you had to make your own porno products, and that was WHILE you were walking 15 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow." __________________________________________ ________
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I was about to write this comment because it reflected on my views of the whole VC-dumping-money-into-OpenSource-startups thing. It was really starting to tick me off. I mean, I read that story about all the.com execs getting their nice new cars towed because the money was all gone. It was a really wrong business model to essentially pay the companies and say "oh, give me some products when you get a chance." You just get $11 million to share among a handful or two of developers, like hell you are going to have the same motivation as a group that is scraping to get by, coding the best they can with the hopes that they can pump out an awesome product that will reward them later. Just look at Croteam, developers of Serious Sam (the game for PC). It's awesome, and was an extremely low-budget game. Now it's a very good seller. Now look at all the.com companies full of people who got money up front. It's pretty hard to be motivated. It's the same as if in school at the beginning of each term they'd say "here's an A, you can give me the work sometime in the future." You really get bitten in the ass come final time, because if you already got the A each term why would you want to do the work? I think that money is a constant in the world. There are winners, and there are losers. People who got loaned money to start.coms really had few tangible, meaningful products that were really truly worth the millions invested in them. Still, these bright minds got paid to perhaps get some work done, perhaps go for a ride in their ferrari, who knows? By no means do I say that all.com people are lazy, because many work hard and it does show (I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, and no, I could never see/. as a real company...) But I think that they should work first and get paid the amount they deserve for what they produce. Ok, I did write alot but I hope I can spark some interesting discussion. _____________________________________ _____________
Oh, I feel old! I remember connecting to these back in the pre-internet hayday, with my trusty 14.4 and my little black book (no, not an shady/illegal one). It was the only place to go to get my software fix--I mean, I just had gotten my 486/33 with 8MB RAM and aimed to fill up the colossal 250mb hard drive. And as to the posts about not having any listings outside the US, don't complain and compile your own list if you want to. It's not all-US either--the list has all the BBSes I ever connected to up in Toronto, Canada (still not a part of the US so don't even start...) _______________________________________ ___________
Don't forget ign.com. That site is quite good. Perhaps it's a gamespy affiliate. Also, the not-for-profit (at least I don't think so) PlanetX sites are good, such as planethalflife, planetunreal, planetdeusex, especially in terms of the mod scene. Also, voodooextreme is on top of all gaming news. So without daily radar, we're not missing a whole lot. Sorry to hear them go bust however. ________________________________________ __________
Didn't you know that not only is TuxRacer out for win32, it has been for a while and the version releases are simultanious? (pimpinmonk shakes head in dismay)
also, this is pretty cool. I prefer gaim to the actual AIM, and of course GIMP (but you can get it running under win32 anyway, check their website).
So in fact, many linux programs worth porting have been ported. Or are a blatant rip off of original windows products that work fairly decently. A cool project nontheless, but maybe something that works "natively" like this could find its way on to linux (wine and vmware are too slow, cumbersome and resource hogs--I'd much rather reboot into the other OS and be done with it.) ____________________________________________ ______
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE PHP.
It's the best girlfriend I've ever been with. Faithful, reliable, functional, and the code just has curves that give me goosebumps... ___________________________________ _______________
I too have a 56k, although i luckily connect at 45.2 and get around 5kbyte/sec downloads sustained. However, I get dropped randomly all the time, which isn't so bad in the land of download managers, but is incredibly annoying for gaming. I play counter-strike, and my ping doesn't stop me from doing well, but I think it does put me at a great disadvantage in "shoot first" scenarios. I think that the need for bandwidth in online gaming should be decreasing as technology increases. I remember when QuakeWorld revolutionized the Quake scene because it used the CPU to predict trajectories and help smooth out gameplay. That was five years ago. I'm now playing with twice the bandwidth but with no perceivable improvement in gameplay. Agreed that some games, like Tribes 2, require more bandwidth because they are complex online games. As to broadband, I think those of us who can't get it now are up the creek without a paddle. Telcos are losing money and closing down CO's, forget opening them. Not to mention that I'm about 4000 feet outside the range for ADSL, meaning there is not a high chance of me getting another CO built nearby (I'm in suburbia). Cable? I'm under the monopoly of CableVision, but OptimumTV isn't going to get rolled out for 2 more years yet. Wireless? I have big New England pines surrounding me. What does that leave? I don't think the future looks bright... sigh... _________________________________________ _________
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Ogg is apparently not the best (but who's to trust those musically inclined people)... so what's the purpose of this article?
Now before I get trolled for not discussing the patenting issues, I'm specifically targeting these two lines:
and
(which is the title of the article.) Judging by this I'm afraid to try Ogg Vorbis, and even more so that it'd become the "standard for the internet"... ick! Good effort by the Vorbis guys, but to me, in a music file sound quality is #1, size is #2. Just my thoughts...
Assuming that this "chussh chussh" even works, who's to say that in a small room full of 30 people carrying cellphones in their pocket, a "chusssh chussh" is confusing. A vibration in someone's pocket isn't, and a custom tone is less confusing too.
On that note, testing the chusssh chusssh should be easy, walk down a busy street and emit said noises. I can guarantee that people will indeed stop, turn and look at you, but to perform a different natural reaction: laugh. Puh-leeze... after re-reading the article it seems to be more of a patriotic british discovery than a scientific focused article. "Yay, this discovery is one of britain's finest and can make many commercial products. Go britain. 30 countries showed interest"... then again i'm a damned yank so i'll shut up.
_______________________________________________
I think the whole point of selectable/customizable ring tones is the fact that users can make the phone their own, to fit their own personality, and considering 75% of my school population carries around a Nokia 5160, it's a Very Good Thing that they're not all ringing the same tone.
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I liked the phones best that you could program in your own tones... I'm sure people could provide linkage to sites dedicated to such melodies. Nothin like the Simpsons theme letting you know someone's calling.
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uh, last time i checked, people kill people. Jeez, and even DMX of all people said that in "Romeo Must Die."_ _______
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worse yet, your parents (or hers!) come to visit and turn on the tube... "Gee, son, there's a whole lot of ads for porno products on tv today! Back in my day you had to make your own porno products, and that was WHILE you were walking 15 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow."_ ________
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I was about to write this comment because it reflected on my views of the whole VC-dumping-money-into-OpenSource-startups thing. It was really starting to tick me off. I mean, I read that story about all the .com execs getting their nice new cars towed because the money was all gone. It was a really wrong business model to essentially pay the companies and say "oh, give me some products when you get a chance." You just get $11 million to share among a handful or two of developers, like hell you are going to have the same motivation as a group that is scraping to get by, coding the best they can with the hopes that they can pump out an awesome product that will reward them later. Just look at Croteam, developers of Serious Sam (the game for PC). It's awesome, and was an extremely low-budget game. Now it's a very good seller. Now look at all the .com companies full of people who got money up front. It's pretty hard to be motivated. It's the same as if in school at the beginning of each term they'd say "here's an A, you can give me the work sometime in the future." You really get bitten in the ass come final time, because if you already got the A each term why would you want to do the work? I think that money is a constant in the world. There are winners, and there are losers. People who got loaned money to start .coms really had few tangible, meaningful products that were really truly worth the millions invested in them. Still, these bright minds got paid to perhaps get some work done, perhaps go for a ride in their ferrari, who knows? By no means do I say that all .com people are lazy, because many work hard and it does show (I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, and no, I could never see /. as a real company...) But I think that they should work first and get paid the amount they deserve for what they produce. Ok, I did write alot but I hope I can spark some interesting discussion._ _____________
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Oh, I feel old! I remember connecting to these back in the pre-internet hayday, with my trusty 14.4 and my little black book (no, not an shady/illegal one). It was the only place to go to get my software fix--I mean, I just had gotten my 486/33 with 8MB RAM and aimed to fill up the colossal 250mb hard drive. And as to the posts about not having any listings outside the US, don't complain and compile your own list if you want to. It's not all-US either--the list has all the BBSes I ever connected to up in Toronto, Canada (still not a part of the US so don't even start...)_ ___________
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Don't forget ign.com. That site is quite good. Perhaps it's a gamespy affiliate. Also, the not-for-profit (at least I don't think so) PlanetX sites are good, such as planethalflife, planetunreal, planetdeusex, especially in terms of the mod scene. Also, voodooextreme is on top of all gaming news. So without daily radar, we're not missing a whole lot. Sorry to hear them go bust however._ __________
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although "cool geeks" use guhnome, COOLER geeks use Blackbox._ ___________
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Didn't you know that not only is TuxRacer out for win32, it has been for a while and the version releases are simultanious? (pimpinmonk shakes head in dismay)
_ ______
also, this is pretty cool. I prefer gaim to the actual AIM, and of course GIMP (but you can get it running under win32 anyway, check their website).
So in fact, many linux programs worth porting have been ported. Or are a blatant rip off of original windows products that work fairly decently. A cool project nontheless, but maybe something that works "natively" like this could find its way on to linux (wine and vmware are too slow, cumbersome and resource hogs--I'd much rather reboot into the other OS and be done with it.)
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE PHP. It's the best girlfriend I've ever been with. Faithful, reliable, functional, and the code just has curves that give me goosebumps..._ _______________
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I too have a 56k, although i luckily connect at 45.2 and get around 5kbyte/sec downloads sustained. However, I get dropped randomly all the time, which isn't so bad in the land of download managers, but is incredibly annoying for gaming. I play counter-strike, and my ping doesn't stop me from doing well, but I think it does put me at a great disadvantage in "shoot first" scenarios. I think that the need for bandwidth in online gaming should be decreasing as technology increases. I remember when QuakeWorld revolutionized the Quake scene because it used the CPU to predict trajectories and help smooth out gameplay. That was five years ago. I'm now playing with twice the bandwidth but with no perceivable improvement in gameplay. Agreed that some games, like Tribes 2, require more bandwidth because they are complex online games. As to broadband, I think those of us who can't get it now are up the creek without a paddle. Telcos are losing money and closing down CO's, forget opening them. Not to mention that I'm about 4000 feet outside the range for ADSL, meaning there is not a high chance of me getting another CO built nearby (I'm in suburbia). Cable? I'm under the monopoly of CableVision, but OptimumTV isn't going to get rolled out for 2 more years yet. Wireless? I have big New England pines surrounding me. What does that leave? I don't think the future looks bright... sigh..._ _________
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