I am wondering if there will be shareholder suits. Elop's action is clearly not in the interest of Nokia shareholders as graphically demonstrated by the trading results today.
Even more interesting would be if evidence of breach of fiduciary duty was uncovered on Elop's part. Were bribes paid?
"I hate anything M$" is hardly a meaningful or valid reason.
Speak for yourself. My computer systems do not have a byte of Microsoft code on them, have not had for many years, and work better for that. Windows? Last time I touched a Windows machine I found the interface sickeningly awkward and limited. VS? Keep your layers of cruft thankyou, I need to get work done..NET? A patent-encumbered lame clone of lame Java? Keep it thanks.
So yes, I hate everything Microsoft, but not because I hate Microsoft (which I also do for completely different reasons like moral bankruptcy) but because every bit of software Microsoft has come up with for the last very long time sucks serious ass.
Into its own project? You mean as in an open source fork? You have a big inheritance I could dip into as well? Because you know, those developers have to be paid somehow.
Haven't ever really been part of the open source ecosystem, have you.
You went from a burning platform to another burning platform.
The big lie in the burning platform memo is that they guy might have saved his skin but he lost his oil. The world is full of guys with nice skin and no oil.
Now that Nokia has chosen Windows Phone for the high end, I can't imagine that Apple would enforce patents against a Microsoft operating system.
I can, or at least try to (and I wish everybody the worst in their patent enforcement attempts). I can also imagine Microsoft trying to enforce against Apple through its zombie proxy Nokia and thereby attempting to avoid antitrust pushback.
This move seriously damages Qt, and probably by extension KDE.
Disagree, it strengthens both. QT will need to be forked and renamed. The QT code base has always suffered from shovelware syndrome due to inadequate public review and corporate control of the the repository. When it gets truly free is when it will really start to improve, like freedesktop.org.
This move annoys me, it's shutting down Ovi, killing off QT and telling any developers not to bother developing for your platform. All so the CEO can have his pet project rolled out.
I suspect there are rather large payoffs involved as well.
I have 2 active nokia phones in the household, one as a reserve and one in the "last reserve" spare parts box.
My Nokia music phone, which I loved, has been demoted to status as an alarm clock, a function it performs better than my shiny new G2. I had a number of Nokia phones, all of which I loved, but it is safe to say I will never have another one.
And they're dropping their industry-leading (in terms of functionality) open source OS for a steaming closed-source turd. I'm pretty sure that at this point they don't give a shit about innovation.
I wonder what kind of bribes had to be paid to pull this off, and what Nokia shareholders are going to do about it?
/lib would be nice. But hey, it's a lot like Linux.
Ah, lib, etc and friends were all moved to/system. A boneheaded decision from the smart people inhabiting SGI's former palace but hey, it's still a lot like Linux.
I completely forgot about WebOS. Though I haven't seen it for myself yet, all I have read about it is that it's more Linux geek friendly than Android. Perhaps there is hope, let's wait and see.
I'm waiting to see if HP tries for lockdown with Xoom. I can see the room full of gleeful market droids right now... "oh, you mean we can make our customers do anything we want and only what we want??? BWAHAHAHAHA!"
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I am wondering if there will be shareholder suits. Elop's action is clearly not in the interest of Nokia shareholders as graphically demonstrated by the trading results today.
Even more interesting would be if evidence of breach of fiduciary duty was uncovered on Elop's part. Were bribes paid?
"I hate anything M$" is hardly a meaningful or valid reason.
Speak for yourself. My computer systems do not have a byte of Microsoft code on them, have not had for many years, and work better for that. Windows? Last time I touched a Windows machine I found the interface sickeningly awkward and limited. VS? Keep your layers of cruft thankyou, I need to get work done. .NET? A patent-encumbered lame clone of lame Java? Keep it thanks.
So yes, I hate everything Microsoft, but not because I hate Microsoft (which I also do for completely different reasons like moral bankruptcy) but because every bit of software Microsoft has come up with for the last very long time sucks serious ass.
No small coincidence that he is a former Microsoftie.
In all but name he never left the Microsoft payroll.
Qt in its current form will be freely available, but what if nobody from Nokia works on it? No more new features?
Most probably, better quality code.
I don't personally care much for a Qt fork, because it can only be an open-source fork
What do you mean, "only"? Only as in like the Linux kernel? Or only as in like the Apache web server? Or only as in like GCC? Or what?
Xoom is Motorola's Android tablet, HP's WebOS tablet is TouchPad.
Yes, thanks, it's been a long day (already).
Into its own project? You mean as in an open source fork? You have a big inheritance I could dip into as well? Because you know, those developers have to be paid somehow.
Haven't ever really been part of the open source ecosystem, have you.
You went from a burning platform to another burning platform.
The big lie in the burning platform memo is that they guy might have saved his skin but he lost his oil. The world is full of guys with nice skin and no oil.
Expect a fork of Qt as Nokia slowly drains resources away from it.
Don't expect anyone to wait for the inevitable.
Now that Nokia has chosen Windows Phone for the high end, I can't imagine that Apple would enforce patents against a Microsoft operating system.
I can, or at least try to (and I wish everybody the worst in their patent enforcement attempts). I can also imagine Microsoft trying to enforce against Apple through its zombie proxy Nokia and thereby attempting to avoid antitrust pushback.
MeeGo actually needs all the support it can get.
Meego is dead and it was dead before this putsch, but you can try to resuscitate it if you like.
This move seriously damages Qt, and probably by extension KDE.
Disagree, it strengthens both. QT will need to be forked and renamed. The QT code base has always suffered from shovelware syndrome due to inadequate public review and corporate control of the the repository. When it gets truly free is when it will really start to improve, like freedesktop.org.
Qt desperately needs to be spun off into its own company.
No, into its own project. If nobody else steps forward I'll do it.
The only people who had faith that they were doing the right thing were the /. crowd.
That must not include me. I always thought Nokia should embrace Android and put QT on it.
This move annoys me, it's shutting down Ovi, killing off QT and telling any developers not to bother developing for your platform. All so the CEO can have his pet project rolled out.
I suspect there are rather large payoffs involved as well.
Maemo/MeeGo behaves more like a computer than Android, iOS, etc.
My rooted G2 complete with terminal, ssh, etc behaves exactly like a computer. How much more like a computer does it need to be?
I have 2 active nokia phones in the household, one as a reserve and one in the "last reserve" spare parts box.
My Nokia music phone, which I loved, has been demoted to status as an alarm clock, a function it performs better than my shiny new G2. I had a number of Nokia phones, all of which I loved, but it is safe to say I will never have another one.
And they're dropping their industry-leading (in terms of functionality) open source OS for a steaming closed-source turd. I'm pretty sure that at this point they don't give a shit about innovation.
I wonder what kind of bribes had to be paid to pull this off, and what Nokia shareholders are going to do about it?
Make good of your last breath Nokia, because if you screw this up, you'll be thrown to the sharks.
Nokia already screwed up by hiring Elop and has already thrown itself to the shark. It's all over but the body parts.
You have no inkling of how powerful this makes the combined companies.
Then it's going to be very satisfying to tear it down.
You can't build a multi-billion euro business on creating nerd-gasms
Rubbish. Nearly every tech giant was created that way.
/lib would be nice. But hey, it's a lot like Linux.
Ah, lib, etc and friends were all moved to /system. A boneheaded decision from the smart people inhabiting SGI's former palace but hey, it's still a lot like Linux.
The whole selling point of the N900 to me, on top of the hardware features, is the common Linux userspace that it comes with.
Android has Linux, Libc, OpenGL, sys, sbin, proc, dev, etc, what more do you want?
Well, yeah, /lib would be nice. But hey, it's a lot like Linux.
I'd like my next phone to be a landscape slider like the N900
T-mobile G2 (Aka HTC Desire Z) is pretty much that.
I completely forgot about WebOS. Though I haven't seen it for myself yet, all I have read about it is that it's more Linux geek friendly than Android. Perhaps there is hope, let's wait and see.
I'm waiting to see if HP tries for lockdown with Xoom. I can see the room full of gleeful market droids right now... "oh, you mean we can make our customers do anything we want and only what we want??? BWAHAHAHAHA!"