Maybe the strategy is to publicly expose what the Chinese government goon squad are doing. Then quietly pull them aside, and tell them that they're losing face.
For the purported great and ancient wisdom of 5000-year-old Chinese civilization, they have pretty lousy leaders.
The West has leaders with minds like children too, but at least we can laugh at them, and eventually get rid of them. Must suck to be Chinese with these idiots in charge...
Easy to spot too. You can see the talking points showing up in each post.
Like Victoria Nuland. Most westerners are like "who the fuck is Victoria Nuland?" She gets mentioned CONSTANTLY in Putinbot forum spam. As it turns out, the Putinistas are really gunning for Nuland and various other State Department employees... I think they hate Victoria Nuland as much as they hate Bill Browder.
So it's okay then. Just because other people are indulging in black PR doesn't make it okay for well-funded far-Right groups to do it. Actually, the opposite -- because they are setting a bad precedent by getting away with it.
These days, I'm not so sure that CNN's agenda is driven by anything other than pure self-interest. They are a low-budget operation who do no serious investigative reporting, and take their "news" (if you could call it that), from warmed-over press releases and govenrment/corporate PR departments. CNN's agenda is not sinister -- it's driven by pure greed and laziness.
The "content" is just one long, slow, dumbed-down blowjob to the preening, international-English speaking jet set.
People paying the most for CNN are the advertisers -- mostly, middle eastern despots and luxury good makers. Like Facebook, the viewers are the _product_, not the customers.
We'll keep saying that... until we import several million more useless idiots from crap countries to "replace" all the Westerners who are dying off.
Who in due course, like the mill towns of Northern England, will get automated out of existence five years after arriving, and will still end up unemployed and in the ghetto. All we're doing is storing up trouble for ourselves in the future.
I favour the Japanese solution myself. We are massively overcrowded, have plenty of technology, capital begging to be put to use... and far too many idlers as it is.
Damned straight. There are limits to free speech everywhere. Try publically denying the Holocaust in many countries in Europe, and see what happens to you.
It turns out that Muslims don't have the same boundaries as we do. Fair enough.
The problem here, is that we are being sanctimonous about freedom of speech, when absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist.
What we SHOULD be doing is saying, "hey Muslims, unlike in Dubai, within the limits of free speech, offence is not given, it's taken. Learn to love it -- or fuck off to a country with more agreeable laws."
Key difference: America gets the rich, civilized, polite, loyal ones.
Europe is in a bad neighbourhood. Also, we have dumb leaders who thought for decades, that it was good idea to import the biggest lowlifes they could find from all over the world to complete with local minimum-wage labour...
So now we have TWO huge, festering underclasses -- the old white one, and the new Muslim one. All the while, real wages and standards of living are plummeting everywhere.
It's by design: the Right get to divide and further strip-mine the lower classes, and the Left get to organize angry brown people (because they treat the white underclass with contempt for not having embraced the class struggle).
Only now, after decades of torrential low-quality immigration of countless millions of useless, unskilled, uncultured and shit-poor people; have our wonderful leaders figured out there might be a problem. Unfortunately the horse has already bolted...
If you've been paying attention to the news at all, you would know that the torrent of threats, violence and mindless hate from the Muslims implies that Muslims are *ANYTHING* but powerless. This is why they're such a threat to Europe.
I cannot possibly see any kind of justification for 'public right to know' or 'public interest' here.
Here, it's just a bunch of idiots who hate the West in general (and the United States in particular), trying to give the Western security apparatus a black eye. I fail to see how leaking our game plans to enemies and competitors is going to make us any safer.
Like it or not, the West is the light on the hill for the whole world. People who believe otherwise should imagine the whole world being run along Chinese, Russian or Islamist lines... The West does a lot of bad shit, but we are choir boys, compared to the rest of the world.
Dear leaker community: please stop shitting in your own nest. You have no idea what you're doing, or what kind of world you're trying to create.
The developed world has norms, rules, traditions, institutions, stuff like that to control corruption. Many African and Middle Eastern countries lack these. And that includes know-how on how to control corruption.
Methods to increase transparency and control corruption are very well known. Singapore and Hong Kong started out dirt-poor with no resources and no money, but their leaders were wise enough to put the right systems into place from the outset. Hong Kong's ICAC are world-class at preventing and dealing with corruption, and a lot of backwards countries could do well to learn from them. Lee Kwan Yew IMHO is a legend.
The trouble is, most leaders in most countries will steal anything not nailed down (as I've seen in Spain myself); it's human nature to seek out power and then start stealing everything, especially in "low trust" societies with Third World mindsets ("me!! now!! i'm entitled!!"). When the corruption gets so bad that the interests of the kleptocratic elite interlock, then improvement becomes impossible.
That's not to say that reform isn't impossible (and the few cases where highly corrupt places got cleaned up, there were external centres of power that could challenge the corrupt leaders and get them removed); just highly unlikely.
I hope I'm alive long enough for somebody to build probes that are fast and powerful enough to reach and map these places.
The trouble with present technology, is that most rockets/spacecraft only have enough delta-V to take decades to get out there, and nowhere near enough to actually go into orbit when they get out there.
Hazarding a guess, I would say that that'll only happen when somebody gets around to building nuclear-powered engines. The big question is: who's got the money and balls to pull it off?
Don't try to excuse violent behaviour. It's never justified.
Although going on experience, many of the ethnics I've seen have poor-quality qualifications from rubbish universities. For talented people with a good degree, the doors are just as open.
I think the only issue here, is that we don't have South African-style BEE in France, so you don't get a free leg-up for having a brown skin or a foreign-sounding name. France is brutally meritocratic, as far as I can tell.
I think it's got to do with Muslim external locus of control; Muslims like to blame everything and everybody else but themselves for their problems. Blaming their surnames, or the colours of their own skin is a luxury that white people don't have.
"Inshallah" isn't just a word. It's a state of mind which entrenches laziness, indolence, apathy and fatalism.
Rephrased, if you can't succeed in the West, you are shit.
Having a brown skin doesn't entitle you to special treatment, as much as Muslims love to go around complaining and loudly demanding special treatment. Basically, if they can't "cut it", they should do what tens of millions of white people in the late 19th/early 20th century, up sticks, and move to greener pastures. Or are they too good for that? There is no right to be liked or accepted.
Trade is a positive-sum game, freely entered into by consenting parties.
This is all just bullshit Muslim grievance-mongering, as always.
It's not our problem how they spend their oil money.
What's the alternative? Sell it to the Chinese? Muslims are weird, in that they tolerate abuse from Chinese/Russian dictators that they were never tolerate from the West. I think it boils down to some really deep resentment of white people, because the West are better imperialists than they are (Muslims are also violent, venal imperialists -- they're just really shit at it.)
Or they could just leave their Allah-bestowed black gold in the ground, and starve. That works too.
If we fixed everything else that was wrong in the world, I'm sure that they could consider it an affront that somewhere, a non-Muslim person was breathing the same air as them.
Show me these vast transplanted colonies of white people all over the Middle East. Oh that's right -- you CAN'T. Because there are none.
Well, there _was_ Algeria, but then the Algerians told the whites living there, 'leave with your bags, or inside one'. And rightly so. They were colonists. Just like the millions of Muslim colonists living in most of the major cities of Western Europe.
The Middle East used to be full of Jews and Christians. No longer. They were all persecuted, raped, robbed, driven out. 95% of the Middle East and North Africa is now Muslim.
Multiculturalism only works when everyone agrees to the same rules of the road.
The big trouble here, is that a disturbingly large number of Muslims hold opinions that are complete anathema to open and free Western societies. They are only too happy to benefit from the freedoms afforded them; yet, as we've seen in the last week, they despise with every fibre of their being, other people exercising their _own_ rights in a free society.
This hypocrisy is going to tear Western societies apart unless something is done soon. The solutions, as I see them: 1) we let Muslims impose their culture on us; or 2) we impose our own culture while we are still a strong majority -- and then force the minority to pick sides.
Small problem: most of the ingrates and troublemakers who are fighting us, are second and third-generation immigrants.
Stripping Western citizenship from dual nationals could be effective: you only have to see all the satellite dishes and ethnic dress in crap parts of Paris to know where peoples' real loyalty lies. Losing citizenship should help concentrate some minds.
That said, why do we worry so much about making these fifth-columnists stateless? This situation calls for lateral thinking. The Australians have done a beautiful job of shutting down illegal boat arrivals. They kept their pimp hand strong, and made an example out of some "asylum seeking" criminals by sending them to camps in PNG. Now Australians just laugh at the stupid Pakistani opportunists who thought they were going to get a life on Easy Street courtesy of Australian taxpayers, but are now in the jungle, trying (and failing) to white guilt-trip them by munching washing power and razor blades.
Europe will start having to do something similar with both illegal arrivals, and 2nd/3rd generation fifth-columists. Time to make ourselves the master of our own house again.
If brown idiots shooting people for some stupid moon god happens often enough, will we become inured enough to it, that terror ceases to be 'terrifying', and merely becomes a law-and-order/public nuisance issue?
I do think people lose perspective, and don't understand risk at all. There are likely more people who die from lightning strikes than terrorism.
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Are you seriously calling China "socialist"? They are socialist in name only.
The most "socialism" anybody in my family experienced, FWIW, was the cradle-to-grave welfare under Francisco Franco. So it's impossible to generalize.
Maybe the strategy is to publicly expose what the Chinese government goon squad are doing. Then quietly pull them aside, and tell them that they're losing face.
For the purported great and ancient wisdom of 5000-year-old Chinese civilization, they have pretty lousy leaders.
The West has leaders with minds like children too, but at least we can laugh at them, and eventually get rid of them. Must suck to be Chinese with these idiots in charge...
Easy to spot too. You can see the talking points showing up in each post.
Like Victoria Nuland. Most westerners are like "who the fuck is Victoria Nuland?" She gets mentioned CONSTANTLY in Putinbot forum spam. As it turns out, the Putinistas are really gunning for Nuland and various other State Department employees... I think they hate Victoria Nuland as much as they hate Bill Browder.
So it's okay then. Just because other people are indulging in black PR doesn't make it okay for well-funded far-Right groups to do it. Actually, the opposite -- because they are setting a bad precedent by getting away with it.
'Poisoning the well'. Incidentally, a common tactic of the Putinbots.
Just make everyone believe that there is no truth or reality, just narratives. And spoil the usefulness of the media for everybody.
It suits Putler's short-term needs, but fucks everyone in the long term.
These days, I'm not so sure that CNN's agenda is driven by anything other than pure self-interest. They are a low-budget operation who do no serious investigative reporting, and take their "news" (if you could call it that), from warmed-over press releases and govenrment/corporate PR departments. CNN's agenda is not sinister -- it's driven by pure greed and laziness.
The "content" is just one long, slow, dumbed-down blowjob to the preening, international-English speaking jet set.
People paying the most for CNN are the advertisers -- mostly, middle eastern despots and luxury good makers. Like Facebook, the viewers are the _product_, not the customers.
So anybody who interrupts the anti-American, anti-West circlejerk is a shill?
Sounds like the internet-libertarian equivalent to the Pharma Shill Gambit that anti-vaxxers love to trot out every time they're losing an argument.
We'll keep saying that... until we import several million more useless idiots from crap countries to "replace" all the Westerners who are dying off.
Who in due course, like the mill towns of Northern England, will get automated out of existence five years after arriving, and will still end up unemployed and in the ghetto. All we're doing is storing up trouble for ourselves in the future.
I favour the Japanese solution myself. We are massively overcrowded, have plenty of technology, capital begging to be put to use... and far too many idlers as it is.
Damned straight. There are limits to free speech everywhere. Try publically denying the Holocaust in many countries in Europe, and see what happens to you.
It turns out that Muslims don't have the same boundaries as we do. Fair enough.
The problem here, is that we are being sanctimonous about freedom of speech, when absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist.
What we SHOULD be doing is saying, "hey Muslims, unlike in Dubai, within the limits of free speech, offence is not given, it's taken. Learn to love it -- or fuck off to a country with more agreeable laws."
Offence is taken, not given.
A reality that in the 21st century, is STILL not recognised by Muslims.
Bizarrely "Insulting a Muslim" is a criminal offence in many countries in the Middle East.
Key difference: America gets the rich, civilized, polite, loyal ones.
Europe is in a bad neighbourhood. Also, we have dumb leaders who thought for decades, that it was good idea to import the biggest lowlifes they could find from all over the world to complete with local minimum-wage labour...
So now we have TWO huge, festering underclasses -- the old white one, and the new Muslim one. All the while, real wages and standards of living are plummeting everywhere.
It's by design: the Right get to divide and further strip-mine the lower classes, and the Left get to organize angry brown people (because they treat the white underclass with contempt for not having embraced the class struggle).
Only now, after decades of torrential low-quality immigration of countless millions of useless, unskilled, uncultured and shit-poor people; have our wonderful leaders figured out there might be a problem. Unfortunately the horse has already bolted...
It doesn't make Islamic neo-colonialism right.
If you've been paying attention to the news at all, you would know that the torrent of threats, violence and mindless hate from the Muslims implies that Muslims are *ANYTHING* but powerless. This is why they're such a threat to Europe.
I cannot possibly see any kind of justification for 'public right to know' or 'public interest' here.
Here, it's just a bunch of idiots who hate the West in general (and the United States in particular), trying to give the Western security apparatus a black eye. I fail to see how leaking our game plans to enemies and competitors is going to make us any safer.
Like it or not, the West is the light on the hill for the whole world. People who believe otherwise should imagine the whole world being run along Chinese, Russian or Islamist lines... The West does a lot of bad shit, but we are choir boys, compared to the rest of the world.
Dear leaker community: please stop shitting in your own nest. You have no idea what you're doing, or what kind of world you're trying to create.
The developed world has norms, rules, traditions, institutions, stuff like that to control corruption. Many African and Middle Eastern countries lack these. And that includes know-how on how to control corruption.
Methods to increase transparency and control corruption are very well known. Singapore and Hong Kong started out dirt-poor with no resources and no money, but their leaders were wise enough to put the right systems into place from the outset. Hong Kong's ICAC are world-class at preventing and dealing with corruption, and a lot of backwards countries could do well to learn from them. Lee Kwan Yew IMHO is a legend.
The trouble is, most leaders in most countries will steal anything not nailed down (as I've seen in Spain myself); it's human nature to seek out power and then start stealing everything, especially in "low trust" societies with Third World mindsets ("me!! now!! i'm entitled!!"). When the corruption gets so bad that the interests of the kleptocratic elite interlock, then improvement becomes impossible.
That's not to say that reform isn't impossible (and the few cases where highly corrupt places got cleaned up, there were external centres of power that could challenge the corrupt leaders and get them removed); just highly unlikely.
I hope I'm alive long enough for somebody to build probes that are fast and powerful enough to reach and map these places.
The trouble with present technology, is that most rockets/spacecraft only have enough delta-V to take decades to get out there, and nowhere near enough to actually go into orbit when they get out there.
Hazarding a guess, I would say that that'll only happen when somebody gets around to building nuclear-powered engines. The big question is: who's got the money and balls to pull it off?
Don't try to excuse violent behaviour. It's never justified.
Although going on experience, many of the ethnics I've seen have poor-quality qualifications from rubbish universities. For talented people with a good degree, the doors are just as open.
I think the only issue here, is that we don't have South African-style BEE in France, so you don't get a free leg-up for having a brown skin or a foreign-sounding name. France is brutally meritocratic, as far as I can tell.
I think it's got to do with Muslim external locus of control; Muslims like to blame everything and everybody else but themselves for their problems. Blaming their surnames, or the colours of their own skin is a luxury that white people don't have.
"Inshallah" isn't just a word. It's a state of mind which entrenches laziness, indolence, apathy and fatalism.
Rephrased, if you can't succeed in the West, you are shit.
Having a brown skin doesn't entitle you to special treatment, as much as Muslims love to go around complaining and loudly demanding special treatment. Basically, if they can't "cut it", they should do what tens of millions of white people in the late 19th/early 20th century, up sticks, and move to greener pastures. Or are they too good for that? There is no right to be liked or accepted.
Trade is a positive-sum game, freely entered into by consenting parties.
This is all just bullshit Muslim grievance-mongering, as always.
It's not our problem how they spend their oil money.
What's the alternative? Sell it to the Chinese? Muslims are weird, in that they tolerate abuse from Chinese/Russian dictators that they were never tolerate from the West. I think it boils down to some really deep resentment of white people, because the West are better imperialists than they are (Muslims are also violent, venal imperialists -- they're just really shit at it.)
Or they could just leave their Allah-bestowed black gold in the ground, and starve. That works too.
If we fixed everything else that was wrong in the world, I'm sure that they could consider it an affront that somewhere, a non-Muslim person was breathing the same air as them.
Really? That's news to me.
Show me these vast transplanted colonies of white people all over the Middle East. Oh that's right -- you CAN'T. Because there are none.
Well, there _was_ Algeria, but then the Algerians told the whites living there, 'leave with your bags, or inside one'. And rightly so. They were colonists. Just like the millions of Muslim colonists living in most of the major cities of Western Europe.
The Middle East used to be full of Jews and Christians. No longer. They were all persecuted, raped, robbed, driven out. 95% of the Middle East and North Africa is now Muslim.
Hypocrite much?
America is a civil state.
The European countries are ethnic states, have been for thousands of years, and their borders are almost literally written in blood.
While Europe is exceedingly liberal and politically correct in general, it would be 'unwise' indeed, to mistake generosity and kindness for weakness.
Japan and China has the right idea WRT their citizenship law. Germany is also quite strict in comparison to the rest of Europe.
I expect that after the next couple of major terrorist attacks here, the situation will rectify itself...
Stiff shit.
And if you don't like it, the door is ----> that way.
Multiculturalism only works when everyone agrees to the same rules of the road.
The big trouble here, is that a disturbingly large number of Muslims hold opinions that are complete anathema to open and free Western societies. They are only too happy to benefit from the freedoms afforded them; yet, as we've seen in the last week, they despise with every fibre of their being, other people exercising their _own_ rights in a free society.
This hypocrisy is going to tear Western societies apart unless something is done soon. The solutions, as I see them: 1) we let Muslims impose their culture on us; or 2) we impose our own culture while we are still a strong majority -- and then force the minority to pick sides.
Something has to give.
Small problem: most of the ingrates and troublemakers who are fighting us, are second and third-generation immigrants.
Stripping Western citizenship from dual nationals could be effective: you only have to see all the satellite dishes and ethnic dress in crap parts of Paris to know where peoples' real loyalty lies. Losing citizenship should help concentrate some minds.
That said, why do we worry so much about making these fifth-columnists stateless? This situation calls for lateral thinking. The Australians have done a beautiful job of shutting down illegal boat arrivals. They kept their pimp hand strong, and made an example out of some "asylum seeking" criminals by sending them to camps in PNG. Now Australians just laugh at the stupid Pakistani opportunists who thought they were going to get a life on Easy Street courtesy of Australian taxpayers, but are now in the jungle, trying (and failing) to white guilt-trip them by munching washing power and razor blades.
Europe will start having to do something similar with both illegal arrivals, and 2nd/3rd generation fifth-columists. Time to make ourselves the master of our own house again.
If brown idiots shooting people for some stupid moon god happens often enough, will we become inured enough to it, that terror ceases to be 'terrifying', and merely becomes a law-and-order/public nuisance issue?
I do think people lose perspective, and don't understand risk at all. There are likely more people who die from lightning strikes than terrorism.