Censoring someone else is NOT an exercise of free speech, but an infringement of it. You have every right not to watch a film if you don't like it's content, but that does NOT mean you can chop out what you don't like and then redistribute it.
So this means that I can sell a copy of Ender's Game (Great book by Orson Scott Card, btw) on Ebay (Since I bought it) when I'm done. But since the shower scene was disturbing, I ripped those 5 pages out. So now I can't sell it?
You're telling me that the only way I could get rid of this book is by throwing it away then? Aren't you forgetting the fact that I would be clearly letting people know that those pages are gone, and that those people would actually have to come to me to get this copy with a brutal murder removed from the book?
Is it censorship when the people viewing the material have to make an effort to have it that way? Or is it simply a matter of choice for them? They'd rather watch a hacked up movie than one with those scenes in... You and I wouldn't want to, but then again we wouldn't be patrons in this store in the first place.
But fair use doesn't ever permit you to redistribute any copy of the film to anyone else, regardless of whether there is any profit at all, because it's NOT YOUR FILM. It's only your COPY of the film. Possesion of the copy doesn't give you the right to edit the original work.
Hmm... you can't redistribute originals of the materials you buy? Did you check that out?
They go buy a tape. They edit that tape. They sell/rent that tape. Selling/Renting copies is not a factor here.
Personally, I'm squarely on the side of the rental store.
1) They bought the tapes, they can do with them what they like short of selling/renting copies of those tapes. 2) They aren't pushing for censorship of the source material (unlike 5,000 other groups out there). They have their own 'acceptable copies' and quietly rent those out to people of like minds. 3) They aren't forcing their views on others, indeed customers have to seek them out.
After all, what are they doing that a fast-forward button in the hands of some evilly moralistic moviewatacher couldn't do?
Maybe it's just me, but this really seems to go against the basic idea of a forum like/.
To me this sort of environment is supposed to be a sea of conflicting viewpoints and brash arguments. Trolls tend to already be taken care of to an extent by the current moderation abilities, and to an extent flamewars tend to fall below filter level.
But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions. Granted it might take a while, and will very likely never completely kill dissenting opinion, but a pretty self-supporting environment can still be made.
The closest analogy I can think of would be a hardcore conservative listening to 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh (Not sure who would be a good example for a Liberal stance, so I won't list them. ). Sure they can do it, but in doing so they cut themselves off from the other viewpoints and opinions that might provoke some thought in what they believe in.
Actually on that day there was a spirited debate going on over which was the better movie... Princess Bride or Full Metal Jacket. (And if not, there should've been);^)
As long as the documentary doesn't end up as a 'Long before there were web sites, or even FTP sites, there were other methods for pirates and pornographers to distribute their materials...' piece, I'm all for it. And please, please, please... try not to dwell too deeply on those aspects. From the outside it looked enough that those were all there was to the BBSes, when those of us involved know how small of a part they actually played.
I just ran through the timeline, and with the exception of a few bits here and there it all seems to be:
"XXXXXXXXX arrested by the FBI for copyright violations"
"XXXXXXXXX BBS shut down due to obscenity violations"
"XXXXXXXXX apprehended by the FBI on charges of child pornography"
"XXXXXXXXX began serving his(her) xx month sentence for xxxxxx"
I ran a large (well, for Chattanooga anyway) Remoteaccess board starting with.04, all the way to 2.51. There was a sense of community that you just don't have now, regardless whether it was people popping messages back and forth with BlueWave or hopping on to play LoRD and BRE.
I _really_ hope they try to focus more on that than on the negatives that seem to choke up the timeline given.
(and as an aside, what about FrontDoor and Bink as mail-tossers? No mention there. Not to mention the whole door phenomena, which has been mentioned already. Or how many of you guys remember AreaFix for File Echos? You know... if I knew a way to connect RA to the net...;^)
I have to say that this is coming from someone with a total of around 280gig at the house, but...
Out of 100gig, how much do you really NEED to back up?
The vast majority of my space is taken up by MP3s (where I converted my CD collection), but that could easily be replaced. To tell you the truth, of the things that I would need (documents, pictures, etc), I could easily fit it all onto a CDR. Well, maybe two. (I take lots of pictures)
Basically it boils down to, do you really need to shell out the money for that extra drive?
What would prevent a site from having a page that pops up 100 new pages when you land on it to ream the unsuspecting visitor out of a dollar? The billing mechanism should track for and eliminate charges for that, as well as for pages that auto-refresh themselves, error and non-existant pages, pages arrived at by pressing the back button, duplicate pages and so on.
Again, how in the world are they to know what is 'valid' and what is 'invalid'? Tracking my habits to make sure that I don't actually frequent 'http://www.cowgirlfantasies.com' and taking it off?
I can see the auto-refresh, backing out, error pages, and the like... but I don't really see how they could tell a valid page-load from an invalid one.
Ok, I make a joke and keep getting jumped on for it.
But let me ask you this, since apparently I'm in a position to defend a damned joke, if you click a link that takes you to a site (There's one penny), then that site opens a new browser and takes you to http://www.teensluts.com (there's another), that one opens a browser to http://www.eurosluts.com (there's another), etc, etc...
Yes, popups are accounted for. But how would they know that these aren't valid choices that I make? Are they going to credit me for every page that I go to and don't go past the 'Main Page' of? Or will they just have a 'Blacklist' that I can surf for free since they'll think it's all just spam windows?
I read over the article, and don't remember anything covering this in particular. (However now the link is of course/.'ed, so I can't go back and check.)
So therefore, I stand by my joke (which at the time was only meant to be humorous) as also being topical and relevant to the discussion.
It's also not going to add up to very much per month. People who log on to check stock prices, look up the weather, read the top news stories and so on might look at 25 or 50 pages a day. They would pay something between $5 and $15 per month for Web content. But let's also take the worst case scenario. Let's say that you sat in front of your computer 8 hours a day and looked at a new page every two minutes without interruption 20 days per month. That would cost $48 for the month. That is the worst case scenario, and it is unlikely anyone is going to do that. The cost will be minimal for just about everyone
I just popped through 6 pages in about a minute and a half reading/skimming this article. One page every two minutes? Do people actually read that slowly?
If I'm looking for something, I tend to have two or three browsers open... usually one on Deja that does near constant Usenet searches. Their estimation is about 240 page views per day. Heck, I can almost kill that just on Slashdot within the course of a day.
Considering how close you are to the Raimis, I was wondering how that relationship has affected you. Obviously Sam's reputation has grown at the same time as yours, however (and I'm sorry to say this) his reputation as a 'famous director/producer' has just shot like a bullet. This seems to have helped out your career... while the Evil Deads were the projects of all you guys, Sam's other projects have allowed you to step into parts (and even directing) more or less by calling up and saying "Hey, Sam...".
How much does this bother you, though? We fans tend to hear things like, "A new Sam Raimi movie, eh? Wonder how big of a part he'll give Bruce Campbell and his brother Ted?" Or the people who just assume that you landed parts due to your friendship with him as opposed to getting them by your own merits. (Though according to your book, apparently friendship with Sam has its own price. If you guys haven't read it, there's an absolutely _GREAT_ story about a walk-on part in 'The Quick and the Dead' that was never used.)
As a side note, I wish I could've met you at Gateway in St. Louis this past June. Not sure what the conflict was, but I had my book in hand ready. (However I did pick up Ted Raimi at the airport, so it wasn't a total loss. But still, Brisco wasn't there. Oh well.)
I use mine constantly to catalog new DVDS (With DVD Profiler... just scan, and it downloads info and cover images from online... took about 15min to catalog about 140 DVDs) and books (With ReaderWare, which uses the ISBN number on the book to pull info from various online retailers.)
One of the most idiotic items ever? Only if you were trying to sell something with it.;^)
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So its wrong, bad, anti-freedom etc to stop MP3.com streaming these tracks.. but when it happens to Universal its a Good Thing. Its one up on them. FFS. At least be slightly consistant, please.
Nope, it's still 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom.' However this time it's 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom' in a method that's affecting one of the primary people that caused the original 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom' to happen. As such we find humour in the situation as an 'Instant Karma, just add water' style situation.
Not to mention the whole, "Woohoo! Serves 'em right for being such prigs in the first place" sort of mentality.
>They've got 5 TV series, 9 movies, a cartoon, who knows how many books plus guides and manuals and even language dictionaries out there with every ST-fanatic just drooling to be the first to catch an error
Just as an FYI, the only things that are considered canon are the TV shows and movies. The guides, books, etc are all "unauthorized" as far as universe-building goes.
For example in 'First Contact' (I believe), It's shown that Zefram Cochran was a native of Alpha Centauri whose first warp-flight was aboard a single person ship... essentially a cargo pod with a warp-drive hooked onto it. It was a six-week trip. Also the Vulcans had been watching humanity for several hundred of our years, and only made first contact due to a crash of one of their surveilance ships.
You notice how well that's been followed.:^)
But yep... the writers and the other PTB (Powers That Be) have said many a time that if it's not on your TV or movie screen, it doesn't count.
The dislike/prejudice between the Vulcans and Humans was well explained, and made quite a lot of sense as far as I was concerned. Actually did a lot for me... think it's good for there to be a bit of distrust/tension on the bridge.
Another thing I enjoyed was the Klingon, though mostly because it was the first. That's one of the nice things about this show... we get to see all the firsts. The first 'Phase Pistols' (read, phasers), the first time at Rigel-X, the first Klingon encounter, etc.
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what alienates the Klingons and Starfleet (Though is it just me or did it sound like the Vulcan ambassador talking to the just-introduced aliens? Possibly it was, his interaction is discovered, and the Klinzhai find fault with Starfleet also since they're allies of the Vulcans? Hmmm...)
And people keep talking about the decon scene (Read: Shower scene). What purpose did it play? To show that the vulcan's stacked, that's why. Worked quite well too, as far as I was concerned.
But there was one thing that just absolutely bugged the crap out of me. That's the transporter. Berman had said that they wouldn't have one in this series, mostly since it was too much of a plot safety-net. When the writers couldn't think of a plausible method to do something, out came the transporter. Then what does he go and do? He hands them back the safety net. (Though the 'Leap' effect was pretty neat)
Which reminds me, wouldn't the transporter systems need to be newer than 300yrs for Bones to always be worked up about the 'newfangled gadgets'? If something's been around for that long, I don't think someone would have that sort of reaction.
But overall I have to say that I'm looking forward to the coming episodes of 'Quantum Enterprise'.
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Hmm... don't get it.
Censoring someone else is NOT an exercise of free speech, but an infringement of it. You have every right not to watch a film if you don't like it's content, but that does NOT mean you can chop out what you don't like and then redistribute it.
So this means that I can sell a copy of Ender's Game (Great book by Orson Scott Card, btw) on Ebay (Since I bought it) when I'm done. But since the shower scene was disturbing, I ripped those 5 pages out. So now I can't sell it?
You're telling me that the only way I could get rid of this book is by throwing it away then? Aren't you forgetting the fact that I would be clearly letting people know that those pages are gone, and that those people would actually have to come to me to get this copy with a brutal murder removed from the book?
Is it censorship when the people viewing the material have to make an effort to have it that way? Or is it simply a matter of choice for them? They'd rather watch a hacked up movie than one with those scenes in... You and I wouldn't want to, but then again we wouldn't be patrons in this store in the first place.
But fair use doesn't ever permit you to redistribute any copy of the film to anyone else, regardless of whether there is any profit at all, because it's NOT YOUR FILM. It's only your COPY of the film. Possesion of the copy doesn't give you the right to edit the original work.
Hmm... you can't redistribute originals of the materials you buy? Did you check that out?
They go buy a tape. They edit that tape. They sell/rent that tape. Selling/Renting copies is not a factor here.
Personally, I'm squarely on the side of the rental store.
1) They bought the tapes, they can do with them what they like short of selling/renting copies of those tapes.
2) They aren't pushing for censorship of the source material (unlike 5,000 other groups out there). They have their own 'acceptable copies' and quietly rent those out to people of like minds.
3) They aren't forcing their views on others, indeed customers have to seek them out.
After all, what are they doing that a fast-forward button in the hands of some evilly moralistic moviewatacher couldn't do?
Maybe it's just me, but this really seems to go against the basic idea of a forum like /.
To me this sort of environment is supposed to be a sea of conflicting viewpoints and brash arguments. Trolls tend to already be taken care of to an extent by the current moderation abilities, and to an extent flamewars tend to fall below filter level.
But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions. Granted it might take a while, and will very likely never completely kill dissenting opinion, but a pretty self-supporting environment can still be made.
The closest analogy I can think of would be a hardcore conservative listening to 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh (Not sure who would be a good example for a Liberal stance, so I won't list them. ). Sure they can do it, but in doing so they cut themselves off from the other viewpoints and opinions that might provoke some thought in what they believe in.
Actually on that day there was a spirited debate going on over which was the better movie... Princess Bride or Full Metal Jacket. (And if not, there should've been) ;^)
As long as the documentary doesn't end up as a 'Long before there were web sites, or even FTP sites, there were other methods for pirates and pornographers to distribute their materials...' piece, I'm all for it. And please, please, please... try not to dwell too deeply on those aspects. From the outside it looked enough that those were all there was to the BBSes, when those of us involved know how small of a part they actually played.
I just ran through the timeline, and with the exception of a few bits here and there it all seems to be:
.04, all the way to 2.51. There was a sense of community that you just don't have now, regardless whether it was people popping messages back and forth with BlueWave or hopping on to play LoRD and BRE.
;^)
"XXXXXXXXX arrested by the FBI for copyright violations"
"XXXXXXXXX BBS shut down due to obscenity violations"
"XXXXXXXXX apprehended by the FBI on charges of child pornography"
"XXXXXXXXX began serving his(her) xx month sentence for xxxxxx"
I ran a large (well, for Chattanooga anyway) Remoteaccess board starting with
I _really_ hope they try to focus more on that than on the negatives that seem to choke up the timeline given.
(and as an aside, what about FrontDoor and Bink as mail-tossers? No mention there. Not to mention the whole door phenomena, which has been mentioned already. Or how many of you guys remember AreaFix for File Echos? You know... if I knew a way to connect RA to the net...
Well... ummm... err...
/blush
nevermind.
I have to say that this is coming from someone with a total of around 280gig at the house, but...
Out of 100gig, how much do you really NEED to back up?
The vast majority of my space is taken up by MP3s (where I converted my CD collection), but that could easily be replaced. To tell you the truth, of the things that I would need (documents, pictures, etc), I could easily fit it all onto a CDR. Well, maybe two. (I take lots of pictures)
Basically it boils down to, do you really need to shell out the money for that extra drive?
:^)
And here's the info you were referring to...
What would prevent a site from having a page that pops up 100 new pages when you land on it to ream the unsuspecting visitor out of a dollar?
The billing mechanism should track for and eliminate charges for that, as well as for pages that auto-refresh themselves, error and non-existant pages, pages arrived at by pressing the back button, duplicate pages and so on.
Again, how in the world are they to know what is 'valid' and what is 'invalid'? Tracking my habits to make sure that I don't actually frequent 'http://www.cowgirlfantasies.com' and taking it off?
I can see the auto-refresh, backing out, error pages, and the like... but I don't really see how they could tell a valid page-load from an invalid one.
Ok, I make a joke and keep getting jumped on for it.
/.'ed, so I can't go back and check.)
But let me ask you this, since apparently I'm in a position to defend a damned joke, if you click a link that takes you to a site (There's one penny), then that site opens a new browser and takes you to http://www.teensluts.com (there's another), that one opens a browser to http://www.eurosluts.com (there's another), etc, etc...
Yes, popups are accounted for. But how would they know that these aren't valid choices that I make? Are they going to credit me for every page that I go to and don't go past the 'Main Page' of? Or will they just have a 'Blacklist' that I can surf for free since they'll think it's all just spam windows?
I read over the article, and don't remember anything covering this in particular. (However now the link is of course
So therefore, I stand by my joke (which at the time was only meant to be humorous) as also being topical and relevant to the discussion.
IE. bite me.
Hm. Perhaps you should UNDERSTAND the attempt of making a joke.
I did READ the article, and think it's not a 'good thing'. My SERIOUS message on the subject is a few messages below.
Bah... just didn't want to hear from other people, "Did you hear about Stephen King?!"
:^)
Also why I dropped the +1 bonus.
Nothing on CNN, ABC-News, stephenking.com, or Fox News. I imagine you heard wrong.
It's also not going to add up to very much per month. People who log on to check stock prices, look up the weather, read the top news stories and so on might look at 25 or 50 pages a day. They would pay something between $5 and $15 per month for Web content. But let's also take the worst case scenario. Let's say that you sat in front of your computer 8 hours a day and looked at a new page every two minutes without interruption 20 days per month. That would cost $48 for the month. That is the worst case scenario, and it is unlikely anyone is going to do that. The cost will be minimal for just about everyone
I just popped through 6 pages in about a minute and a half reading/skimming this article. One page every two minutes? Do people actually read that slowly?
If I'm looking for something, I tend to have two or three browsers open... usually one on Deja that does near constant Usenet searches. Their estimation is about 240 page views per day. Heck, I can almost kill that just on Slashdot within the course of a day.
Have to pay a penny everytime we get into one of those damned porn sponsored click-fests of opening windows?!
Aggghhh... my credit card bill's high enough already!
;^)
Personally I'm just waiting for them to release Brisco County on R1 DVD. :^)
Being as well-known as you are, have you caught anyone going through your garbage (or other "Get away from me, you twisted freak" sort of things)
:^)
And if not, do you wish someone would?
And lastly, if they did would they find anything interesting?
Does it count that it was Sam Raimi's car?
And that it's how they finally killed the thing? (Apparently it was a Sam requirement that it be in everything he did)
Considering how close you are to the Raimis, I was wondering how that relationship has affected you. Obviously Sam's reputation has grown at the same time as yours, however (and I'm sorry to say this) his reputation as a 'famous director/producer' has just shot like a bullet. This seems to have helped out your career... while the Evil Deads were the projects of all you guys, Sam's other projects have allowed you to step into parts (and even directing) more or less by calling up and saying "Hey, Sam...".
How much does this bother you, though? We fans tend to hear things like, "A new Sam Raimi movie, eh? Wonder how big of a part he'll give Bruce Campbell and his brother Ted?" Or the people who just assume that you landed parts due to your friendship with him as opposed to getting them by your own merits. (Though according to your book, apparently friendship with Sam has its own price. If you guys haven't read it, there's an absolutely _GREAT_ story about a walk-on part in 'The Quick and the Dead' that was never used.)
As a side note, I wish I could've met you at Gateway in St. Louis this past June. Not sure what the conflict was, but I had my book in hand ready. (However I did pick up Ted Raimi at the airport, so it wasn't a total loss. But still, Brisco wasn't there. Oh well.)
:^)
I use mine constantly to catalog new DVDS (With DVD Profiler... just scan, and it downloads info and cover images from online... took about 15min to catalog about 140 DVDs) and books (With ReaderWare, which uses the ISBN number on the book to pull info from various online retailers.)
;^)
One of the most idiotic items ever? Only if you were trying to sell something with it.
I finally broke down and bought a GeForce3 to replace my old 2-GTS. (Got the exact same card as you, as an aside.)
Received and installed the card Thursday night, heard about the new cards Friday afternoon.
(Granted I can get comparable speeds just by overclocking it a bit, but it's the principle of the thing.)
.sigh.
So its wrong, bad, anti-freedom etc to stop MP3.com streaming these tracks.. but when it happens to Universal its a Good Thing. Its one up on them. FFS. At least be slightly consistant, please.
Nope, it's still 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom.' However this time it's 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom' in a method that's affecting one of the primary people that caused the original 'wrong, bad, anti-freedom' to happen. As such we find humour in the situation as an 'Instant Karma, just add water' style situation.
Not to mention the whole, "Woohoo! Serves 'em right for being such prigs in the first place" sort of mentality.
Aw hell... sorry I had to do that to ya, mon. (At least it wasn't Rod actually singing though, if that makes any difference) ;^)
I thought it was rather refreshing to have a totally new, inspirational song, along with space advancement photos
;^)
Can't be too new... it's a Rod Stewart song.
>They've got 5 TV series, 9 movies, a cartoon, who knows how many books plus guides and manuals and even language dictionaries out there with every ST-fanatic just drooling to be the first to catch an error
:^)
Just as an FYI, the only things that are considered canon are the TV shows and movies. The guides, books, etc are all "unauthorized" as far as universe-building goes.
For example in 'First Contact' (I believe), It's shown that Zefram Cochran was a native of Alpha Centauri whose first warp-flight was aboard a single person ship... essentially a cargo pod with a warp-drive hooked onto it. It was a six-week trip. Also the Vulcans had been watching humanity for several hundred of our years, and only made first contact due to a crash of one of their surveilance ships.
You notice how well that's been followed.
But yep... the writers and the other PTB (Powers That Be) have said many a time that if it's not on your TV or movie screen, it doesn't count.
*Spoilers* (Just in case) :)
The dislike/prejudice between the Vulcans and Humans was well explained, and made quite a lot of sense as far as I was concerned. Actually did a lot for me... think it's good for there to be a bit of distrust/tension on the bridge.
Another thing I enjoyed was the Klingon, though mostly because it was the first. That's one of the nice things about this show... we get to see all the firsts. The first 'Phase Pistols' (read, phasers), the first time at Rigel-X, the first Klingon encounter, etc.
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what alienates the Klingons and Starfleet (Though is it just me or did it sound like the Vulcan ambassador talking to the just-introduced aliens? Possibly it was, his interaction is discovered, and the Klinzhai find fault with Starfleet also since they're allies of the Vulcans? Hmmm...)
And people keep talking about the decon scene (Read: Shower scene). What purpose did it play? To show that the vulcan's stacked, that's why. Worked quite well too, as far as I was concerned.
But there was one thing that just absolutely bugged the crap out of me. That's the transporter. Berman had said that they wouldn't have one in this series, mostly since it was too much of a plot safety-net. When the writers couldn't think of a plausible method to do something, out came the transporter. Then what does he go and do? He hands them back the safety net. (Though the 'Leap' effect was pretty neat)
Which reminds me, wouldn't the transporter systems need to be newer than 300yrs for Bones to always be worked up about the 'newfangled gadgets'? If something's been around for that long, I don't think someone would have that sort of reaction.
But overall I have to say that I'm looking forward to the coming episodes of 'Quantum Enterprise'.