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Star Trek: Enterprise Reactions?
So, what did you think of it? The theme song has to go. Commander Tucker ("Kumanduh Tuckah") needs to get a personality other than "he'll be just like McCoy, only clumsy and stupid". Is it really necessary to rehash "cold emotionless Vulcans vs. thoughtless, reckless humans"? That plot device was old thirty years ago and it's physically painful to watch now. How can armor plating go "offline"? Electromagnetic shields maybe, but one of the virtues of a hunk of steel is that it doesn't go "offline". And what's with the soft porn? I was waiting for the bow-chicka-bow-wow music to kick in. CT: I didn't get to see it! I don't get UPN! Curses!
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Quantuum Leap? Where was Al throughout the whole show. Kinda disappointed me. And he only did the leap thing once. Oh well.
Maybe you should wait until everyone in the US has had a chance to watch it Mr. Eastern Standard Time. :-P
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t'pau has nice silicon t*ts -- i didn't know vulcans were allowed to get breast implants!
I am going to give it a few more weeks before I give it real judgement. The Enterprise's deisgn was pretty cool looking from the outside, imho.
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Oh, the Vulcan chick is hot
-Henry
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Ok, the music needs an overhaul, and someone (at best) is mistaking sheilds for plating but...
Methyl oxide?
Nitrogen sulphide?
Is Enterprise's chemisrty trying to out-bad the other Trek's particle du jour physics??
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Still waiting for a proper release tho...
Does anyone remember the "Encounter at Space JellyfishLand (er, Farpoint)" that was the pilot of TNG?
Personally, I thought it was EXCELLENT for a pilot. The show will get its legs--let it happen and enjoy what you can while it does. Or just watch Andromeda.
Always looking to pick. Lighten up, dude.
I dunno about the rest of you, but I was just thinking it was high time we had rednecks like Tuckah in space :-) yeeeeehaw!
Hey, I got an idea... Hey don't we find somebody lame and washed out to SING the theme song! Yeah, that would be great!
Not great either. Theme music stinks. Old, rehash Vulcan "issues". It is nice that Scott Bakula is getting something out of Paramount after they screwed him over Quantum Leap but other than this, this series is garbage. And how does armor plating go "offline" anyway?
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It seemd to me to break the continutiy of the series:
The theme song isn't an instrumental
Who the hell is this species that we've never seen in the future, what do we exact some sort of xenocidal vengance upon them?
Other than that, it was okay. I don;t think the premieres for any fo the series were really good. Give it some time to develop a stride.
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Where are the links? I have never even heard about Star Trek:Enterprise. I use to love Star Trek: The Next Generation (in fact, in a TV song identification contest, I guessed it's theme song from the first couple seconds of rumbling). Since then I haven't been impressed by the Star Trek series. So does anyone have any information (aka links) that explain what Michael is talking about?
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None of the "actors" could perform. The vulcan was a hissing bitch during the first half, I thought count bakula wanted to cry several time, the plot was mediocre even by the standards of the crew that brought us voyager.
What amazes me is that no one seems to have gone back to the original ST series to see what made it great. It was daring culturally for its time and tried to present a complex cast of characters. Was it perfect? No. But the Berman vision of the future is a piece of plasticine crap undistinguished by any character motivation or deep emotion.
Sigh. Back to Babylon 5 reruns for me.
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I was only able to catch the second half of it. I like kinda the updated effects that show the older ship style they had in the original star trek (I can see it in the ship they have now). I kinda see it having a completely different look... Just in like the colors of things.. Stuff is less dull then some of the other start trek things.. Of course same with voyager over next gen. But I really think it comes down to it's a brand new series.. Stuff is different. I don't really think I could decide if I like it or not until I've seen a few episodes.
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Wow, Michael. Could you post a few more spoilers on the top of the front page? I don't think there are enough.
Seriously. Not everyone watched or even *could* watch Enterprise tonight. You could have at least had the courtesy to hide the spoilers "under the fold", so to speak.
Now, for my opinion (some spoiler content).
It looks good as far as a stand-alone show is concerned. But it seems to break from the "known" Star Trek history, as described by the other shows and movies (not books and fanfic). For instance, we're looking at the later appearance of the Klingons, when Worf told us that something happened to change their appearance that "we don't like to talk about". And Picard told us that the war with the Klingons was sparked by a botched first contact with them. But that contact didn't seem to be botched.
I'm a little disappointed with how contrived the disinfectant scene was. And the way the camera paused during it was just silly. And Archer's whole thing with staying on the station after he set the maglock charge was pointless. First, it should have been longer than 5 seconds. Second, there was noone shooting at him, so there wasn't really a reason to set it and stand there, rather than setting it and running.
I think I'll wait for a couple more episodes to reevaluate that and see if I really care about this series. As it is, I can take it or leave it.
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Rodent droppings and leech-type creatures - nice to see a regression to the 18th century medical practices.
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C'mon people.
Star Trek: The Original: First season
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.
Star Trek: TNG: First Season
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done (just watch some of them fer chrissakes!).
DS9: First Season:
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.
Voyager: First season (and second, and third...)
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.
Give the series a little time to put down some roots.
Sheesh.
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Christ almighty, can we at least wait until the damn thing has AIRED on the west coast? It doesn't start for twenty minutes over here.
Your articles are rehashed, you have no personality and the only difference is that you refuse to go offline.
And talk about cold and emotionless _and_ thoughtless. Wow. It's you to a t.
Even in the first episode of Voyager, there was a "Wow," or at least a "Cool!" moment. This one, while it didn't suck as much as what I like to call a "Wesley Gets the Ick" story, had no real "cool!" moment.
It wasn't bad, but man, given that premise, think what Roddenberry or Serling or Straczynski could have done with it.
It's sad, Berman, really--just let it go gracefully into that good night, or at least wait until your stable of soap-opera hacks get some new ideas. Hey! Here's an idea--go to the writers of Analog magazine and then just film them.
Sigh.
I actually enjoed it! Something different than the same old dragging on Voyager trip. And Deep Space Nine, well, it sucked big time. Seriously, though, I think this has great potential with the Enterprise exploring the galaxy. I just hope there'll be more independent episodes and stories as the original series and 'Next Generation' had. I really hate to imagine this might go the route of another space saga soap route...
Looks like Paramount is still trying to grab viewwers by their gonads. I know that I was certainly paying close attention to the 'disinfection' scene where the guy got to rub gelatin all over the scantily-clad vulcan girl.
Still, I was pleasantly surprised by the level of prejudice, intolerance and violence. This show definitely played a lot like an old TOS show. It was quite a refreshing change of pace from Voyager and TNG's 'moral issue of the week' approach.
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They just _had_ to trot out the temporal crap in the pilot episode. Why couldn't they have waited 'til the 3rd season when the writers run out of new ideas.
Not as gritty as I would have liked either.
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They have red blood now. In The Undiscovered Country, it was green and blue (or something close, I'm colorblind). Plus there's the time taken to get anywhere at a mere 30,000,000 KM/s...
Eh, the depth charges were cool.
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1950 meets 2001 meets 2150
We knew it would be a problem, and it's interesting to see it play out on the screen. Humans have achieved world peace, yet captains and admirals are all white males. Computers have speech capability, yet voice-activation is not yet invented. And, of course what we all expected -- no gender-neutral language yet.
compared to all the other upn shows it fits right in kinda.
Waiting for:
Vulcan love slave
Some theories:
e s/071901.html [startrek.com]. Look toward the bottom, where neither remembers when modern Klingon foreheads came into use.
Roddenberry always claimed that TOS Klingons had wrinkly heads, but you couldn't see them because your TV was defective.
My own personal theory is that, like the Trill, Klingons have a symbiont that makes them bigger, stronger, and generally cooler. It resembles a horseshoe crab. They just don't talk about it.
For Berman and Braga on this subject, try this link: http://www.startrek.com/production/seriesv/articl
I thought it was pretty good.. I agree that the song has gotta go, however rehashing the Cold hearted Vulcan issue is almost a must. If its going to be a show about growing into the federation and a new world view, they have to show the growing pains. Doc McCoy was an old fashion country doctor after all..
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I thought that it was an interesting look at the whole star trek universe, although it seemed to have rehashed the same, we need a hot chick to attract viewers thing as the past series. I think that they also made some of the vulcans seem less cold then in the other series, good or bad? We will see if I watch the next episode....
She is in Maxim this month. wow...
I wouldn't say it SUCKED, compared against the other sort of dribble the UPN runs. And yes, that includes VOYAGER. It's not perfect, but how could Star Trek without Roddenbury ever be perfect, huh? It smacks of The Phantom Menace--doubling back to establish background, and feeling awkward cuz we already KNOW where it's going.
Of course, I liked BATTLEFIELD EARTH, so those of you with melons and tomatoes can feel free to reel back and let 'er rip.
It's not the voices in my head that annoy me. It's the psychosies they invite over for parties that annoy me.
One thing some sci-fi especially books has done is not sugar coat things. Sometimes you have to be almost naked when doing screwy things like decontamination. Star Trek has always stayed away from it until recently with 7 of 9 in Voyager and Enterprise. I believe that it's more realistic to show stuff like this. I don't mean pure soft core (fully naked), but stuff like in this scene. I don't believe it will be a weekly occurance in any event.
:)
;) ). I know, but man I didn't know Vulcans could look that good! ;)
The theme song....well, it's better then most other tv shows, but PALES when you compare it to DS9 or Voyager or any other Star Trek. Also, I feel there's too much past stuff being show in the opening sequence and not enough stuff from that 100 years since First Contact. Yeah the history is important, but not for this show. They need a different opening with more beauty shots of the NX-01.
Flashbacks to Archer's childhood were cool. Anyone get a load of the antigrav remote control plane he built? Cool eh?
I don't like to nitpick too much, but it's been added to my must see tv list!
One last thing...let me say this.....T'pol = Tent Pole! (had to be done
Gorkman
Our local UPN affiliate, WBLU, sucks so much! Did anyone else miss over 35 minutes of it off and on because they had to dick with the satellites a few minutes before it stated? Probably not. I hope you all enjoyed the show. I have to watch the "Apology" rebroadcast on Saturday. Argh.
Was it just me or do most of these characters look familiar. One good thing about the series is that it will definitely NOT be for hard core trekkers. I hope it doesn't devolve like Voyager did. It was a nice change of pace to see humans getting their asses handed to them.
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"If Kirk saw vulcan chicks like that, he would have never left!" - My friend watching Enterprise.
I watched Enterprise just to see what it was like. I really thought that it would dive into explaining how technology evolved to the point where Kirk was using starships. I was put off that the Vulcans seemed to be sheltering us from ourselves, and laughing inside that we are to be so primitive. I was expecting some trial and error with the transporter -- something akin to the remake of The Fly. I also did not care for the shower scene. I mean, that is one hot Vulcan, but I do not think we need this to be like every other sitcom. Honestly, most people have pay cable or satellite, and can flip over to something steamy.
Overall, I liked the concept, and think that special effects work will look great. I like going back in time if done well (Phantom Menace?). This just did not stike a chord with me.
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I was expecting the worst, so I was pleasantly surprised. The effects were good, but not overpowering, the acting was decent, the storyline was better than I thought, and the soft-porn was great, but I'd prefer to have seem some XXX live girl-on-girl action ... uh .. yeah it was ok.
They didn't completely screw up the time-travel angle (but I suppose there's lots of time for that), but it did strike me that it was awfully easy for them to accomplish their "mission" even though the "bad guys" had vastly superior technology and advanced genetics. I guess they forgot to advance their brians when they were going though their genetic engineering.
Anyhow I haven't seen Star Trek in years so I wasn't really sure what to expect (I've hardly seen Voyager for instance), but I thought it showed some promise. I think the best part about it is that it's not overly Star Trekky--this might make it appeal to a larger audience. It's no masterpiece, but for TV, I say it's pretty good.
- j
The theme song doesn't work, I agree. There is no reason we can't have some nice orchestration here. The show may be geared towards 'Gen-Xers' as someone said in the previous thread, but geez. The soft porn angle is old too. That was the -only- thing that saved Voyager. Mind you, it worked, but if they are going to rely on showing breasts everytime the ratings get low, this show is eventually going to tank.
Other than that, the Klingons will just allow some humans to walk into their chamber. In the early days, I thought they liked us no better than the Vulcans. And we saw how snobby they were. Although, when we finally do meet new species there will be a lot of interspecies bickering going on until humanity gets used to the idea that maybe we're not the big cheese anymore.
On a local note, my broadcaster needs to get their antenna back into shape so they don't screw up the signal every other minute again.
The girl is not a "good vulcan" like Spock and Tuvok were. I don't know how to describe it. She is definitely a 10, and while I enjoyed the nipple shots and the oil rubdowns on one level, on another I feel this really doesn't honor Gene Roddenberry's legacy.
Also I thought the ship looked too good. While I realize it had to look better than the 196x original series's Enterprise, it just looks too cool. And now how are they going to explain away the change in Klingons' appearance? For ~100 years the klingons looked like Genghis Khan, but then went back to looking like Klingons? At least they didn't forget to leave out the universal translator... that would have been retarded, hearing English from a Klingon.
I didn't catch any of the plot really so I can't comment on it at all, but I'm sure UPN will be rebroadcasting it every day, so I'm not too worried.
I thought it was best pilot of all the spin-offs - but no way does it compare to that great TOS pilot "The Cage"
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F-bacher
James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
Klingon blood is reddish purple. And, I think it would be physiology, not anatomy, as anatomy indicates the general physical shape of the organism.
The show was poor; the introduction was crappy and uneventful. An echoing conversation, obviously an attempt at setting a plot and justifying invisible bald people, was both tough to listen to and also lacked in relevance.
Nothing about the show contained anything even remotely interresting. Star Trek is a dead horse; if all future episodes are directed like this, then I expect this to be the last star trek series.
Pity.
I did like how James Cromwell (Zephram Cochrane in "First Contact") had a cameo. Also, I liked how the sets were not lit as bright as the other series.
I did not like the wooden characters and paper plot, though to be fair many shows are guilty of that during their first seasons.
I got bored halfway through and ended up watching a West Wing repeat I had seen twice before. Maybe I'm getting old (I was six when TOS first aired) and I've grown out of the Trek demographic. The Vulcan was cute, but Janel Moloney (Donnatella Moss) rocks my happy world.
I'll probably give it another chance next summer when it's in reruns.
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Granted, we only had a few minutes of it in ST:VI, but isn't Klingon blood PINK? What is it with this red, strangly human looking (under a microscope) blood? Couldn't be that the effects budget was too small, because it would have taken less than half a travel-size Pepto Bismal to fake that blood.
On the other hand, maybe the effects budget was blown on the cheesy computer generated ships. Don't get me wrong, I think CG has its place (those hand weapons were well done!, and the opening space scene in the transport when you could see reflections in the glass) but when the ships are obviously fake...give me a solid model any day.
Oh, and the theme has to go.
Im not going to analyze everything because its not worth it. Yeah, the opening theme pretty much sucked but when it comes down to it. Did I enjoy watching it? I did. I enjoy some of the worst movies because it entertained me. It took awhile for Futurama to get off and it became a really funny show. This is the first episide and it had to lay down some history/story. I think it would be better to judge the series after we've seen a couple of showings. vulcan is mighty fwine though!
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If the writers are any good it will take them a while to build up the characters (take a leason from babylon 5)
It was a good beginning for the series. I think there is a lot of potential for the characters, The Dr in particular.
While I'm not sure where the 29th centure guy is going to go, or wht they'll do with him, it is a plot hook, and presumabily will develop into a story arch. Which is what everyone says they like.
The Jello scene did perhaps go a bit over the line, it serverd a usefull purpose in allowing the chracters to intereact.
Without it, you'd be asking "Why the hell didn't she take the ship and run. I thought Vulcans were logical."
I think you may be slamming it because your expectations were too high. It was good television, and good startrek.
There are some reviews of it at http://www.revolutionsf.com/article/441.html
Colin Davis
I know that the technology wasn't available to do some of the special effects during the original series, but KLINGONS WERE NOT WRINKLY AND ODD BACK THEN! I think the trouble w/ tribbles 2.0 episode settled that when they went back in time and whats her face said that there were biological experiments since then and it wasn't to be talked about. Blah blah blah. Other than that I liked it. Albeit a couple of contradictions, whatever. I think it should be interesting. and WTF, that guy from quantum leap doesn't look a day older since he did quantum leap.
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I liked scott as the captain. The rehash of the standard trek technology into older, original types is interesting. My first reaction was that the theme song just plain sucked. The intro images fits in with the overall theme nicely. I think it has some problems, all mentioned in the story, but it has promise. When did kingons and humans start hating each other? I know they had to meet first, but throughout the original series, they were the above all enemies. I'm going to keep on watching it for a couple of weeks and see how it goes. It wasn't the series premiere that I'd hoped for. My fav premiere is still TNG one, great characters, great story, with a good twist.
Trek seems to be de-evolving into soft porn. From 7of9, we all know what the whole point of her character was, now to this. It doesn't really fit into the series about exploration and discovery. I don't know, do we really need it? (after all, what's the internet here for anyway?)
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...and the vulcan chick rubbing herself with oil..that was my favorite part of the show *drool*
The sort of Indiana Jones/John Wayne/Han Solo attitude in the crew was refreshing - that's something that had been lost (and something that was fitting for the "maturity" of the human race at that point)
As far as the soft core porn, I had no problem with seeing that side of a Vulcan, and my non-geek g/f had no problem seeing a starship captain in his briefs.
I didn't like the science all that much. I got the sense that they had lost some of the knack for reality that we had gained during TNG, etc. For instance, the light of the phaser beam moved *much* slower in that communications room than the people in it. I didn't understand the whole shielding scheme either. It is very unlcear to me exactly what technologies they have and do not have. For instance, they have deflectors, transporters, anti-grav, and beam weapons - but don't yet have a tractor beam. I don't know if the physics of these are consistent or not. (What I mean is this: are any of these like having incadescent lights and not having figured out that you can use electricity for heaters)
I did like some of the "primative" touches. I liked the human linguist. I liked the "sweet-spot" in the ships anti grav unit.
once thing I'd like to know - do they have subspace communications? I assume that they do, but it was never mentioned, and on TNG they through around "subspace" the way people throw around "Action Item" in a corporation.
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I kinda liked the show, keeping in mind that its a pilot. It had a bunch of good qualities:
No universal translators-Hooray, a realistic look at meeting strangers...they're strange!
No ridiculous premise-phew...they haven't been warped to a far off dimension, a la the worst trek of all. They're just explorers, trying to prove themselves.
They aren't invincible-There doesn't need to be mind control or some wacky technology to disable the Enterprise ( like in STTNG) it gets pounded, because, frankly, it's not that good.
There is potential for some ongoing plot lines, like the best of DS9. If the show is done right, there will be diplomatic issues w/ the Klingons. (the whole encoded information in genes, conspiracy thing)
On the other hand, there are a few annoying bits:
I didn't like the vulcan. She wasn't even hot enough to fill the 7/9 spot. The just bugged me, like a really dumb spock. At least the original pointy ears respected the humans.
There wasn't a lot of character development, but hopefully that will come with time.
Anyway, I'd tune in to the next few episodes to see if the problems go away.
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WTF is it with this show and the porn? I'm not interested in seeing Vulcan tits, and my girlfriend assures me she was not interested in seeing Kummanduh Tuckah's dick.
Star Trek has always been an example of a show that did not need to rely on (mindless) violence and (senseless) sex to entertain and provoke thought. If this show is getting a new breed of Trekkers, it must be horny 14 year old boys.
Other than that, it was a fairly decent show (ignoring the sci-babble).
I thought it was good. although I will admit I was a biut confused when the softcore seen kicked in, what the hell was that? Anyway, i really enjoyed all the characters on the show, they all seemed to have a bit more personality than voyager or DS9 (where some of the characters made me want to hurt things). I thought it was pretty close to NG levels a far as quality. I'm looking foward to what the show has to offer. I really thought it was cool when they brought out the phasers and said that these are the new ones with to settings, it will be cool to see new technolgy come into play. I also like how the teleporter won't come into major play, I think it makes it better. On a whole I thought it was very good.
In my market it won't be on until Saturday evening. Check www.wfft.com and go to Saturday the 29th and you see it there on the schedule (yes UPN shows are actually run on the FOX network here). So to really be safe the article should not have any details about the commanders or anything. I want to find out about the characters for myself. I know movies don't come out the same time for everyone and Slashdot generally has kept the spoilers inside.
Did anyone else seem to seem to think some things were a little similar to B5: Crusade?
What will they think of next? A streamlined ship that looks more like the NCC-1701 E than a century-old precursor to the NCC-1701?
To be fair, I like it more than Voyager and the last few seasons of Deep Space 90210, but Bakula's gotta lose some more hair and have a major debate as to whether he should go with a rug or shave...but there is great potential.
Of course, it could be worse. The series could have revolved around Wesley Crusher.
The show itself was nice, not great, not a single "Wow... Cool!" in the thing, but nice.
That theme, however, SUCKED. Jeesoos Fraggin Christo! Friends has a better theme. Sixty Minutes has a better theme!
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Oh... And do ya think is was a little chilly in that decontamination room?
Did anyone else think that it had Star Wars overtones? For example, the space bar with all the different aliens and the taliban... i mean suliban pods... that looked like imperial fighters without the wings.
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As someone who got tired of TNG towards the end of the series, the first few seasons of DS9 and the complete Voyager series, it's time for something a little different. Some history continuity has been broken, oh boo-hoo! Some leeway is needed or else the series will get bogged down trying to maintain continuity. I definitely like the fact that they're not the confident 24th century space adventurers. They're unsure of themselves and the technology they have. I liked the exchange with the vulcans near the beginning of the show. The only part I disliked was how friendly Archer and T'Pol got at the end.
It's the first episode, give the show some slack and time.
How about not posting spoliers like that on the front of Slashdot before everyone (at least in the US) has had a chance to watch the show. I'll rarely complain about spoilers but Ive been good to not read or even see any commercials on this series. I was looking forward to that ignorance.
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I didn't even watch it, don't want to watch it. No matter what was done, would anyone have been happy with it? Prob. not.
I dread LOTR, no doubt there will be a holy flame war here when that is released!! "OH MY SWEET LORD....THE ELVES EARS ARE NOT POINTY ENOUGH/TOO POINTY!! HERESY!!!"
Come on now. It has honestly been too long since progressive intellectual southerners have had a decent character on TV to represent our finer virtues (I would say Carroll O'Connor as Sheriff what's his name would be the last I can think of). That commander guy needs some work, but he had some good insightful wileyness at various points throughout.
My other reaction would be that it was not nearly as lame as either "Encounter at Farpoint" or whatever the hell the launch of Voyager was called. Maybe there is some hope? eeh. I'll probably watch it in any case.
Some of us live on the West Coast...and haven't seen it yet...couldn't you have waited until we saw it before you bashed it?
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Back to my...
...Voyager reruns for REAL soft porn
...Deep Space Nine reruns for REAL Klingons
...The Next Generation reruns for REAL acting
...The Original Series reruns for the REAL Humans and Vulcans bickering
...Babylon 5 reruns for REAL scripting
...Buffy the Vampire Slayer for REAL soft porn... er, Gen X,Y programming?
I swear, when that woman was on the radio it really really sounded like she said CmdrTaco.. /. reference?
And then I had to run to the bathroom for..umm..tissue...
LFS. Have you built your system today?
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I'll say one thing for Enterprise, it definetly has a different 'feeling' to it than any of the other Treks. Almost has that movie atmoshere. There's also a lot more petty dialog which really gives it a certain believable quality, IMHO.
now that they are all wearing blue, how are we going to tell who is going to die each episode?
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Will they rerun it soon ? We had a power failure here for the last half hour
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-"The early bird catches the worm, but the late bird sleeps the most"
I thought I might be the only one who thought it sucked ass. I even called a friend of mine (BIG ST fan) half way through, and he had the audacity to say, "It's good! I think you'll like it!" If I could have reached through the phone and beat him senseless, I would have...Here's an email I sent to another friend, detailing my initial reaction...I apologize for the obsenities.
Oh, BTW, I'm mildly pissed off right now. Tom talked me into watching the premiere of Enterprise...now, it was against my better judgment, but in the end, I said, "What the fuck. If I don't watch it, I won't know."...So, I watched it. And it sucked ass. No, it sucked more than ass...it sucked fucking ass. And balls. And cock. And a fucking yak. Why did it suck a fucking yak? I don't know...but it sucked fucking yak cock! A DEAD fucking yak cock! It was that bad. The only part worth watching was the part at the beginning when farmer Joe takes a futuristic shotgun to Klingon Bob. And the credits were good...provided you turned the sound off....Fucking N'Sync. That was it. The rest of the 2 hours was Scott Bakula running around saying, "Vulcans suck! Yay Earth!", and the vulcan bitch, T'PMS running around being bitchy...
And speaking of the characters, it was like they took all the old series, tossed them into a blender, and plastered up the pulsating grey pussy ooze on my television and called it 'Characterization'....First, the fucking doctor...Think Garek meets The Voyager Doctor meets fucking Neelix. I think he's Cardassian. I think. They probably just slapped some putty on his face and said, "Good enough."
Then, the engineer. Think Bashir. Close your eyes when he's talking, and you won't be able to tell the difference. He's almost bearable....I say this because he got barely any air time. A drunk scottsman could kick his ass any day of the week.
Their navigator. Think fucking annoying Wesley Crusher meets Tom Paris meets his ass getting kicked on a weekly basis by bullies who want his lunch money.
Then, the communications officer. Here we have Barclay meets Troy meets every other woosy character that's ever made an appearance on any show.
Rounding things out, they have what I THINK is their weapons officer. Maybe I have him and Bashir 2.0 confused...Fuck if I know. He's a fucking moron. The entire Voyager writing team combined. Heaven help them if he's in charge of anything that requires an IQ of more than 2 to operate. "Uh Captain. I pushed this buttony thingy, and my leg came off. What should I do?"
(Watch this be his big line in next week's show...I know I won't!)
I've already mentioned the science officer. T'Bitch. 'Nuff said.
Then, we get to Mr. Bakula. I don't know about you, but he just doesn't strike me as a captain-y type. His big accomplishment in 2 hours of crappy video? Let's see...He managed to get shot...twice...sorta. (the second one was in 'The Room of Goofy Camera Effects', so it didn't count...and he only got the front part...the hurt-causing part came later.) He manage to get captured by crappy aliens. He managed to turn on the big flashy thing that makes the bad guy's base fall apart. And he managed to do it without saying 'Oh Boy'. But you know he was thinking it.
As for the battle scenes? There was one sort of...The Enterprise managed to get it's ass kicked by interstellar tinker toys. I kid you not. It spent most of it's time hiding from them.
The plot? What there was of it? Well, let's just say it involved 'Genetically engineered' aliens (who all happen to look the same...fuck, I hate clones!) taking orders from a shadowy figure from the future of an alternate reality! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!
I just want to take over the world...Why does that automatically make me EVIL?
Oh, that's right, I forgot, everything old is good and everything new is bad.
And if I say anything POSITIVE about the series, I'll be a newbie lackwit who doesn't know what Trek really is.
Please, save it. The pilot rocked. Harder than "Menagerie", better than "Farpoint".
Bakula isn't as chop-chop-kiss-kiss as Kirk, definitely more human than I-Love-Jean-y, and not as whiny as Janeway. (Sisko kicks butt, once he shaved his head and grew the goatee, that is...)
As for the rest of the cast, at least they didn't annoy me. I wish someone would have put Wesley and Harry Kim through the chipper-shredder.
Also, the effects were VERY good. The ship, while it might be an Akira-class takeoff, is pretty darn cool.
Remember people, this isn't supposed to be the Trek you remember and want it to be. It's 150 years before Kirk started dashing about the universe. The humans are a little more naive, our tech isn't as high, and we careen space acting like we know what we're doing. I think it's a fresh start for the Star Trek universe.
And remember the Trek Rule of Three: No Trek series shall come into its own before Season 3. (Of course, TOS only _had_ three seasons and Voyager always sucked...)
Ok, just got done with the viewing party I threw here at the house. Here's the general impressions of the group:
1) Yes, theme music was LAME, but the intro video was pretty cool.
2) Is it cold in that bio-decom room or something?
3) There were some good laughs.
4) The doctor is going to be a great character.
5) The whole Enterprise going to Kronos is a bit of a stretch. Majorly F's with the whole timeline of the other series'.
6) We all liked how they made it seem like this is the first time they've really gone away from Earth. Thing is, you'd think they had already been doing that with ships that could do less than Warp-5 and as a result would have at least met a FEW more species and learned stuff from them. It seems like the Vulcans hold a monopoly on information in this series.
7) The Speech by Cochran was LAME!
Now, in regards to what others have been posting...
We HAVE to re-hash the whole Human vs Vulcan thing because at the time of this series, it HASN'T HAPPENED YET!
The armor plating is polarized by an electromagnetic field to help repel particle weapons. As a result, yes, it CAN go down (ie, power failure). Then it's just plain old hunks of steel. So, this is basically the pre-cursor to shields.
I personally would have prefered it if they would have kept things fairly primitive and then over time phased in the technologies that we all know and love (like transporters, phasers, etc.) They more or less introduce all of them in the first episode (though, as we saw, they're all pretty new and not very reliable.)
Anyhow, just my $0.02
Enterprise might get better...As for that theme song, shit, Rodenberry must be rolling over in his grave.
It sounded like Michael Bolton mated with John Denver.
Also, I like the sexy characters on Star Trek to be subtle. T'pel almost got drilled in the decontamination chamber. And those nipples...I mean, how long before they just get it over and have her spread her legs on TV?
I mean, I thought it was supposed to be Star Trek, not Forbidden Alien Poon-tang Quest.
Who did what now?
I think the most important development was the 30 years-in-coming grammatical retraction in Scott Dracula's dad's speech:
"...to go boldly..."
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Not even in the days of Kirk was the psuedo-pr0n as bad as it was in Voyager. Bet they'll follow suit with the Vulcan chick.
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But the fact that half the country still hasn't seen it might preclude people to wait on passing judgement until we have!!!!
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Personally I've only been somewhat of a trek fan throughout voyager and SOME of the movies.
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And the captin struck me as a DUMBASS, I mean was anyone else feeling the urge to stand up and scream "NO DONT DO THAT! " or "Why are you going to do that, starfleet would be mega pissed!!!!"(which they weren't... that baffled me a bit)
For everyone who was dissin' the softcore porn... ta hell with yas! Theres nothing that a geek like myself enjoys more than a DAMN FINE, nekked alien!
This was better than most of the bull on tv this season (see love cruise), and I'll probably continue to watch it... hoping it'll get better.
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I know who I would want to leap into next.
"I'm sorry, that paper cut looks pretty nasty. Better safe than sorry - time to apply more full-body decontaminating gel."
Maybe William Shatner should sing the new theme song... I hear he has a really swingin' CD out somewhere.
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Dear Micheal
Get off your high horse. It's a make-belief fictional story. It fills an hour or so and makes you wonder [perhaps]. If you expect real life science then you're diluting yourself and you need to see a doctor quickly!
I thought it was a very keen show. Was much less of a "heres is an odion reduction matrix techy device thingy" type plot and more "hey we gotta finish a mission" type plot.
know when they are being hoodwinked.
+ "Phase pistols"? Stick with the laser pistol up till at least TOS, please.
+ A Vulcan, who has zero ties to Earth's Starfleet (no Federation) not only sits in the Captain's chair 15 minutes into the show, but takes command?
+ "Wading into space"? After WWIII and warp speed, we blasted off the planet. Most warp research was done on Alpha Centari (See TOS show with ZC and the Companion)
+ The last movie placed First Contact in circa 2063. This is 90 years later, 2153.
According the ST Encyclopedia, the Federation was founded by several planets in 2161, after the Romulan wars. Better get busy in order to fight and win a war with allies and enemies you haven't met in less than ten years!
+ I won't even talk about warp 5.
+ IDIC. What happened to Vulcan respect and tolerance and non-judgementalism?
If I got any of this wrong, say so. (Not that I have to worry...)
I liked the aspect ratio. Letterboxed, it was.
There's so many posts talking about how bad the show is - why is anyone watching it anyway? I know reality sucks and fantasy tv is a great escape but.. jesus.. nevermind..just pretend I didn't say anything..
The new series is quite different from the other Star Trek series in many ways. And I will say that it is a good thing. They did quite a few things right.
First, the technology was appropriate to the timeframe. The ship has a maximum speed of about Warp 4. The warp core looks primitive. The medical techniques look primitive. There is no universal translater, just a linguist.
Another element they got right was the distrust between the Vulcans and Humans. Some posters have already complained about the rehashing of the "Emotionless Vulcans vs Irrational Humans". That will be a factor, but the issue is larger then that. The distrust between the two races goes beyond the emotion vs logic debate. The humans see the Vulcans as being restrictive and patronizing. And the Vulcans are somewhat racist. The role of the Vulcans is very close to that of a colonizing authority as in the British of the 18th century. An intresting side effect is that the humans are currently in the role of one of the many background races that really does not matter in the greater scheme of things.
They will have to be careful though if they wish to do better the Voyager did. They cannot fall back too often on "Sexy Exotic Alien Softcore" before they alienate too many long time fans. And the temporal villians are something else to be cautious with. It will allow the series to explain some deviations in continuity, but they must avoid breaking all continuity with the other series.
This pilot was stronger then the TNG and DS9 pilots. And Trek shows tend to take a while to 'hit their stride'. It will be a few weeks before I come to a conclusion, but the series is off to a good start.
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The one story line I'm looking forward to out of this series is the creation of the prime directive. In TNG, they have mentioned that first contact went horribly wrong and a war ensued for a century when first meeting the klingons. This is what initiated the creation of the prime directive for future first contacts.
okay, i *know* this is sophomoric and stupid, but i gotta wonder if anyone else noticed this.
one of my friends noticed the male actor during the 'gel antibiotic scene' had what appears to be an errection. i didn't believe him at first, but TiVo instant rewind proved otherwise... (it's the point where she's rubbing gel on his back and the camera pans down a bit)
Link out to Maxim and Blalock's "interview" with full pictorial spread. Seems as though her experimentation with "chemicals" provided her with the necessary background to be science officer on Enterprise ROFL.
I often laugh at the Star Trek definition of logic. In the case of taking the ship and running, you have to weigh both facts and from pattern recognition of past performance in similar situations weigh several hypothesis to find the 'best one'. While the end result could very well be 'take the ship and run', if the mission profile was to explore and except dangers that would be a 50/50 split then. If there was a large chance that allowing the Captain to be killed when a chance existed to save him, and furthermore that a dead captain would only serve to destroy the relations of Vulcans and Humans, not to mention the possibility of pissing off the very Honor driven Klingons... well you get the picture. Oh well...
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It's a freaking show. Get a life! Ooh boo hoo it wasn't upto the normal star trek repeatness. It's called progress.
Give the show a chance before you get dressed in your klingon convention costume and kill paramount employees!
I hope they show some of those Triple Breasted Whores (the ones from Eroticon 6).
It was a completely different feel than the other series' I've liked (ie NextGen/DS9/Voyager). I thought on it, wondering what it was that made it so different than the others, and it came down to the exploration aspect. NextGen didn't really explore in the same way. They had the technology, they knew how to use it. There were few new concepts explored, only new ways of using the old concepts.
Enterprise seemed to me to be on a whole new level of exploration. Humans really haven't penetrated much of the galaxy. The best warp they can achieve is warp 4.5, transporters are for cargo only, phasers (phase pistols) are a new technology, no Universal Translater!. I could feel the sense of accomplishment they showed when talking about the "incredible" speeds the new ship could achieve. Everything's new.
My only disappointment was putting in a "temporal cold war" so early in the series. Time travel has been overused in the other series, and I had hoped that it would be used cautiously, if at all, in these archaic pre-Federation times. Ah well. All in all, I approve.
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I liked the theme song! For the first time in Star Trek history there is music that is lively and doesn't put anyone to sleep. It'll be hard getting use to the lack of elevator music at the beginning of every show but I'll adapt
The ship was cool but it sure doesn't look 150 years younger than Kirks'. They could have fired back at the bad guys a little bit more. And how does hull plating get disabled?
Overall I'd give it a thumbs up.
I thought the rave scene on the alien space-station thingie was especially cool. It was so realistic! There were strobe lights, and then the captain was on tripping out on LSD! The only thing missing was the mad techno beat!
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interesting that they opted for the 'turtle stapled to the forehead' school of klingons vs the old-school 'ming the merciless' variety of klingons ... even though this takes place before the first series. we'll probably NEVER figure that particular change out now (sigh).
now, bring on the green chicks.
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And that's why I think I'm going to like it. This series has an unparalleled level of optimism and innocence...on the opposite end of the spectrum from DS9 which I found to be very forced. I don't know if it'll last, but it will get my attention for a while at least.
Not quite the Orion Slave girls episode but I thought it was a valiant effort. Waiting for the next episode "Trouble with nipples." Where the Enterprise is over run with adorable silicon creatures. And the scene with the lotion. Wow if I had Tivo, click replay click replay.... -rtm
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I was a bit disappointed at how they moved the Star Trek franchise into the past. To me it was indistinguishable from Voyager except that they didn't have certain pieces of technology or knowledge. You can't get from Voyager to the original series just by removing knowledge and technology; there's more to it than that. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, and apparently neither could they.
There seemed to be just as many alien races hanging around as ever. I was expecting a smaller, more limited universe. Imagine if it was only the Vulcans and the Humans, and this is the episode where they meet the Klingons. Without all those other aliens, they might have to write a story that actually has something to do with the characters.
I liked the bit when they were trying to escape with the Klingon, and they couldn't understand each other. Nobody broke character, and yet you could tell they were all thoughtful, intelligent characters interacting in a genuine way. If only I could say that for the rest of the show.
Yes, the Bon Jovioid theme has to go. And for that decontamination scene, I provided my own bow-chicka-bow-wow music.
Normally I'd say give it some time, but the problem I see is that this premiere has already made the universe too big. That may be hard to fix.
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Well, the original (REAL!) series had a pretty cool pilot way back when.
This show had cheesy foreshadowing of stuff we all naturally know (phase pistols, that transporter device, etc.), plot holes you could drive a truck through, and some big historical inaccuracies.
But you know what? It was pretty damned good. Pilots always suck, and this one sucked less than most. It wasn't preachy, it wasn't deadly serious, and it has some great potential for ongoing subplots. (just why _do_ the humans and klingons become enemies?)
It's got more promise than any other new show going, and more than any other new Trek had. Let's give it some time to find its legs.
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I noticed no one mentioned the -- to me -- excessive usage of foul language.. now, I'm no prude but ... it just isn't Star Trek in my opinion. If I had a kid under 10 I wouldn't have wanted to have realized that he/she might not be up for listening to (of all things) Star Trek!
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Then what's up with the porn scene and Bakula in his Fruit-of-the-Looms?
As for the plot itself, sounded good, but I'm confused on two things: (1) 150 years from the pilot (TOS time) kingons are going to look like brown people with fuzzy eyebrows then 100 years after that (or whatever) they're going to revert back to what they looked like in this series? I assume they'll cover that later, but it's weird.
Also about the Klingons, in TNG they brought back Kaless (however you spell it) and his whole deal was how jolly and fun loving the Klingons were (while still being warriors, of course)... so... what era did that guy live in?? cause I haven't seen it yet!
whaddaya think?
OK, it's been a while since I watched TNG or DS9 but
Jadzia Dax: That's a Klingon?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
It's great to know that all women in the future, alien or not, are so hooty-licious. I can't wait to see more.
Such is the infinite Grace of Popeye.
1) What was that crappy signing at the beginning, omfg that was annoying.
2)What was that grin from the doctor?
3)How nipply can one vulcan be?
4)Did they _have_ to include bullet time?
For someone that doesn't watch ST much I'd say it was ok.
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I actually kind of enjoyed it. I saw most of it, it got cut up at the final half hour by time warner not being able to maintain a clean connection. Time Warner has shown that AOL can make cable TV as unreliable as their so-called on-line service.
Note how it is only being run on UPN...nuff said.
Bakula's character seems to speak with a southern US accent in one part of the episode and a more northern one later on. He should decide whether he's from redneckville or the more respectable north.
The spaceship exterior graphics are low-quality. On the other hand, the butterfly-eating display was tremendous. Obviously made by a different group.
The vulcans aren't emotionless enough.
OK, folks, let's face it-what's happened is that after the dreadful political correctness of ST:V, what with the Native American, the female commander (she of the croaking voice), the black Vulcan etc. they finally got it that ST fans don't particularly like that. So, back to a swarthy, rather illiterate captain (who resembles Kirk in more than one way), a very attractive woman (though Vulcan, to pre-empt attacks of the rabid feminist armies), a back to basics science etc. Let's give the poor ST folks a chance and let's see how it develops. So far it's not bad at all.
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Soft Porn? I finally have a reason to watch this schlock.
BTW,
Trekies was on Showtime yesterday. I laughed my ass off.
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...in a blue speedo....who needs to see that?
And without out a holodeck, I guess it's just Friday night's in the decontamination room...a little decon-gel, and, lord, who turned the thermostat down to 40 F?
I think from now on we'll just call that the Vulcan Double Salute.
What were you expecting?
By any chance did anyone catch the fact that the science officer (T'Pau) is (circa STOS) T'Pau of Vulcan (ie...basically the most important person on the planet at that time...leader of the the family that was Surak's (who was the prime leader in the Vulcan emotional detachment/peace movement)) I found it umm...most fascinating. :)
Wonder what other famous ppl besides T'Pau and Zephram Cochran we might see ? (or at least famous species...like Orion slave girls?...actually when I saw those reptiloid ladies eating the butterflies...I thought of the Orions...but they weren't green of course!
- This is the later Klingon look, but in TNG Worf says "something happened" to change the Klingons' appearance that they don't discuss. However, if there were originally two Klingon races, one with the "old" look and one with the new, maybe the old-style ones were forcibly changed to look like the others. Thus they (the formerly-old-style Klingons) would not like to talk about being forced to change their cultural identity.
- The first contact we have here might indeed be botched. We don't yet know. There might turn out to be something the Enterprise crew has done that the Klingons haven't found out about yet. Or maybe "first contact" is an ongoing event and this is just the first note of the movement.
- This Enterprise doesn't appear in Picard's set of models. But is it specifically stated that Picard's models are all the Enterprises? (I don't remember what ships exactly were included -- the carrier? the Space Shuttle? the wooden frigate?) Maybe he just had all the NCC-1701x Enterprises.
And I liked the theme. My favorite is still the Voyager intro (even though I never really liked the show) but this is a close second.
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Obviously, michael, you are as attentive as you are a critic. At least if Katz would have done the review I wouldn't have seen it (because like 70,000 other slashdot readers, I have slashdot ignore Jon Katz posts).
I am not saying this pilot was flawless, but the storyline is leaps and bounds ahead of Voyager.
Voyager = Gilligan's Island in space.
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Ok, overall, I liked it except for the red Klingon blood and the theme song(loved the visuals though), but at this point in the Star Trek franchise we should know better than to ask for continuity.
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Here is something nobody has mentioned yet because at this point your minds will not allow you to concieve of the sheer horror of it. How long do you think it will be till we have an episode where there is an alien presense that only the dog can see, or a diplomatic mission where the dog can tell the aliens are evil (as we all know dogs are perfect evil detecting devices), and a transporter accident merging the dog with..I dunno..the asian babe, and maybe an episode where the dog and the Vulcan team up and use their superior sense of smell to root out Alien Scheme X and they will communicate through mind melds, and of course an episode where antibodies from the dog's immune system saves the crew from a virus at the last minute, and an episode where the dog gets abducted and made ruler of a small planet.
Yes, I can see into the minds of Bergman and Branna and it is a dark place filled with cute kids, robots, all signing showtunes and you can bet the dog will be the center of more than one episode.
Now that I have put the fear of dog into you all, I shall leave you to your nightmares.
Maybe I just don't get it, but I thought it was great.
It didn't make the same mistakes that DS9 and Voyager made. It was actually new and refreshing. The theme song seemed to set the stage this this wasn't another Star Trek clone, but a new show in the Star Trek universe.
However, I must agree that Tucker needs to loosen up, I don't want to hear, 'logical' for the next 10 episodes, and I still don't know what's up with that rubdown scene. I came in during the middle of that and was completely confused.
Uh... heh heh... Vulcan pr0n rules... heh heh...
Quite Simply,
I loved it.
I thought the Theme Song was touching.
I liked the vague familiarity of the "Country Doctor" and the Vulcan Science Officer.
I liked the spaceship that "felt" like a spaceship instead of a luxury hotel.
I liked the feeling of an impatient humanity that was well conveyed.
I liked the new translator chic who looks like she can scream better than Chekov could (and that says a lot).
I do wonder why the exposed crew didn't have to decon their "private areas," or will they just be sick in a few weeks as a result of their modesty. (No, UPN didn't have to show it but I would have liked them to have implied it at least.)
I'm pretty sure they will get around to explaining this in the series. Worf's comment was clearly a "no comment" on the matter. I believe Roddenberry mentioned something about the Klingons seen on TOS being from a different part of Qo'nos... as they mentioned in this pilot the Klingons do have 80 dialects; it's conceivable that some of these dialects might be related to diverse "races" of Klingons. Some are wussy Klingons who wear chain mail, some are mean ones with big ridges and lots of sharp bladed weapons. And perhaps the "ridged" Klingons despise the "smooth" Klingons, which is why Worf didn't want to talk about it. Just wait for the episode when they say for certain, and then you'll know for sure. Until then even everything I said is speculation. :)
OK, I thought the series was good... But I just noticed what everyone was saying here.
Everyone is using the future as a point of reference...
First, lets talk about the polarized hull plating going offline... If the hull plating is polarized, that means that there is some kind of field acting on it, which is deflecting the energy from a beam or something, which could mean it can get de-polarized, which would mean it would go offline. So that isn't totally incorrect.
Second, the aliens, everyone is using the newer star treks a as a point of reference... gimme a break, why does everything have to be repeated from the episodes from the future???? Why not look at something different for once!
Take this series for what it's worth, it's new, and different and is trying to stray away from the Star Trek franchise (note:how you don't see the word Star Trek associated with Enterprise?), I have to say that the camerawork on the series was really well done, and hope it stays like that.
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Ok, this is from a classically trained musician's point of view, so you might disagree:
The music for this show is at best mediocre in comparison to those of previous shows (those done in the past generation at least, no pun intended). Whose idea was it to rip off the Karate Kid 2 theme music? The images are great and inspiring (arguably one of the best Star Trek openers in the franchise's history), however the music just DOES not match. You have on one hand images that make us proud of what we've done and what we can do and on the other you have... the music. I do grant, however, that for the closing theme, the guitar/cello thing sounds good... until the Musak attacks. Then you might as well be watching "Baywatch, The Next Generation." At least if they had used a more interesting chord flow it MIGHT have sounded somewhat convincing. Heck, even the intrumentation lacked.
Perhaps they're trying to go with the entire Roswell/Dawson's Creek/Friends thing where the music makes it to the radio? To that extent, I say that they've done a good job - there's really not much qualitative stuff on the radio (save for the amazing job done by sound engineers everywhere - that's an artform in itself), and this wouldn't spoil that. Mind you, it is generally good music, but not for this. Nevertheless, I'm not a great judge of that, but seeing as Bryan Adams sound-alikes are not all that popular.... you decide.
At any rate, If anyone with the studio has any use for a Music Composition major who'd be interested in re-writting the theme to make it sound a bit more invigorating (this kind of stuff is supposed to inspire people to shoot for the stars, not sit in their cars), please reply to niccademous@hotmail.com (shameless plug, I know, but it's for the greater good, I promise).
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My favorite quote from the article is,
C'mon! It wouldn't be EarlyTrek without those!
GOAW: GRRRR!
Scott: Oh boy!
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Did anyone else notice the guy from Alien Nation as the Vulcan ambassador?? How cool is that?
I just heard it again. He said polar plating.
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I haven't seen anyone comment on the fact that it was going to take them 4 days to travel from Earth to Kronos at Warp 4.5. That means at Warp 9.8 or so the Klingon homeworld, not even to mention Klingon outposts will be something like 2 hours away.
So, if the part of the universe the Federation and the Klingons are fighting over is that small, then Earth would always be heavily defended and fortified because the Klingons could stop by for lunch and bring a 100 Birds of Prey with them.
This means that all those episodes in which the Enterprise is the only ship close enough to help is patently ridiculous.
I say at Warp 4 the Klingons should have been about 2 months away, and at Warp 9.8 something like 10 days.
Anyway, they have the time/distance stuff screwed up.
It wasn't enough. I hope the next people to need rub down detoxification are the asian translator and other girl. They should turn this show into baywatch. Okay boys, set phasers to stun.
You post nothing but negativity towards everything. You couldn't post ONE positive thing? god...
For anyone who understands Klingot... er Klingon, what was the last comment by the klingon in the council that the cute translator chick told Bakula he didn't want to know what he said?
and what was with that opening sequence. im sorry, but it was a load of BS.
I hoped for technology that was a bit clunkier than this. The medical technology was interesting but the ship is too advanced. Is the captain the only one who gets to have a dog? and a basket hound at that ...
Ok the science officer is hot. That's alright. I never minded Gates Mcfadden or the short skirts, hose and boots they wore on the first series.
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Nice vulcan chick. Obvious, but nice.
Theme song's horrible. IT's GOTTA GO.
Interesting characters. Has potential.
Technology correct for period.
Really wish they would get a truly non-emotional vulcan. I've not seen one yet.
Mmmmmmm. Floor pie!
Yeah, like a bunch of geeks need something ELSE to beat off to.
Now they can get their Trek fix AND spank-o-matic. One stop shopping.
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Personally, I'm torn
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
However, much like the first season of Next Gen. (Which I really ended up liking a lot). It takes a while for the actors to get aclumated with thier charaters.
Besides isn't the whole point of Star Trek to find new life in old plot complications, to go where every man has gone before!?
All in all, its got enough meat in the tense it stands to be a really cool show. however the soft core porn just has to go, that was a obvious plea for ratings.
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These are the lyrics to the theme song from the original series:
Beyond the rim of the starlight
My love is wandering in starflight
I know he'll find in star clustered reaches
Love strange, love a star woman teaches
I know his journey ends never
His star trek will go on forever
But tell him while he wanders his starry sea
Remember me, remember me.
Allegedly. (Sounds more like the Urusei Yatsura theme song to me. <--Proof I'm a dork.)
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No Trek will ever beat the original, the classic: Star Trek.
The supporting cast is kind of interesting. At least there is no psychologist on board!
Archer is a good captain, but he's no Kirk. Kirk wouldn't have waited until that alien chick kissed him. He would have just planted one right on her, whether she was ready or not. And he would have left those aliens with a torpedo for a goodbye present.
As for the soft core porn, it's for the ratings. I guess Trek isn't going to be a family show anymore. Oh, how I long for the days of Bedtime for Bonzo and Green Acres!
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Guess that's it. Overall, I found it to be an entertaining and convincing first episode. I definitely plan on watching next week. And I must say there aren't any other television shows on righ now that have convinced me of that (well, Dark Angel and Boston Public had me convinced of that last year, and of course the Simpsons go without saying! So I guess I kind of lied).
The theme song....well, it's better then most other tv shows, but PALES when you compare it to DS9 or Voyager or any other Star Trek. Also, I feel there's too much past stuff being show in the opening sequence and not enough stuff from that 100 years since First Contact. Yeah the history is important, but not for this show. They need a different opening with more beauty shots of the NX-01.
I liked the theme song. I'm not a huge Rod Stewart fan, but, it's a song that I've liked from before the series. I do think it matches the situation perfectly. However, I do hope that after the first season or so, they ditch it for something else instead (else, I'm gonna get reallllly sick of it. ;-) Something like B5's evolving intro would be nice over the next couple of seasons.
Anyway - the real point of my post. I did see where they were going with the intro, and it's pretty cool when you think about it. This series is supposed to be closer to where we are now, so, they show us a very very quick synopsis of how we got to where we are now, and showed something very pivitol from our currend day setting - the ISS being built, piece by piece. Then they show ISS being used as a launching platform for something that familiar to those of us who follow space development (and still familiar enough to those who don't, but have seen the shuttle.) From there, it's only three more images to the shot of the Enterprise flashing past the screen. They showed us how far we've come, and made it seem like that from this perspective, we've got a very short distance left to make it to where 'There' (the show) is. It's no longer deeply removed from us, like TNG or Voyager is.
And for the record - I hated Voyager. But I think this show is gonna friggin' ROCK when it gets past the first season!
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Yet again, I am disappointed by the lack of creativity and writing talent in Star Trek: *.* series.
TNG was the pinnacle and it tappered off from there. DS9 started off poorly but picked up near the end, even if all it was was just blatant violence gimmicks rather than successful writing and dynamic character interaction. It's unfortunate that with such a large universe as the Star Trek one that these writers can't come up with anything decent. I was really hopeful of the prequel twist on plot, but it seems all they did was pick the most boring time in the ST universe: little technology, few other species to interact with, and no real war. It would've been far more interesting if they would've went back to the very beginning (shortly after the first flight). I would've like to have seen how Humanity went from being on the brink of destruction in a post-apocalyptic world to one of the most successful and far reaching races in the galaxy.
Scott Backula (sp?) is a good actor, but this role doesn't seem right for him somehow. He was good in Quantum Leap, but he just doesn't "fit in" in this series. Perhaps it's because the writing is beneath him, or perhaps he's surrounded by half-rate actors who were hired apparently because of their sexual attractiveness rather than their acting ability.
UPN, please spare us the gatuitous soft porn. The people watching this are mainly die-hard trekkies who watch for the Trek, not for the poorly written and even more poorly acted sexual innuendo. There are plenty of web sites for us to get our fix, we don't need cheap teases in our Trek. If you're attempting to attract a cross-over crowd with these thinly veiled attempts, you are doing a poor job, and you've apparently missed your market.
I could go on, but what's the point? =)
They stole Capt. Kirks words. Major lameness. What was Berman thinking, is he that desperate to make ST his own?
I sure hope they're using the TOS warp scale.
It's been frustrating to watch all of the drivel they go on and on about in voyager. typical storylines:
neelix gets ticked off at someone, but then he finds a way to get along.
Janeway can't decide whether or not to upgrade voyager's technology because maybe it would be bad in some way to someone. so they cut back on holodeck rations. (holodecks sometimes were the entire storyline too. gee what fun.)
i mean, come on! I think if the pilot of enterprise is any indication, we're in for some actual exploration and adventure. somehow i don't see archer spending all day deciding if a jellyfish somehow has rights that require that he doesn't move it off of his phaser.
This is a time when everything is new and unbridled. i think if the writers can keep hold of this concept, we're in for a majorly better series.
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1) All Star Trek series suck first season.
2) Even numbered Trek films don't suck.
Given these Star Trek laws, I'm going to hang in for season 2.
1. What deodorant ad did they steal that theme song from?
2. The climax consisted of two guys wrasslin over a laser pistol. I was on the edge of my seat, weren't you?
3. I think Berman, when he named one of his characters "Seven of Nine", was making a secret reference to how he comes up with plotlines for episodes. This one was no different. "Uh, send them to that planet, and then they get shot at, and then one of them gets left behind, and then they have to risk the ship to save him. What shite! (Anybody who thinks I just did a spoiler is an idiot--every fucking Star Trek Episode since DS9 aired has been off the rack).
4. You can tell how even the producers knew how lame this witless show would be. It took Voyager something like 3 seasons before they were forced to haul in the plastic tits to save a dead show from cancellation. Here, they're not even going to bother to wait.
Studio Hack 1: "Hey Rick, nobody's going to watch this garbage."
Studio Hack 2: "Well, shit, Brannon. Lets just throw tits at them."
SH1: "OK, which astro-bimbo's sports bra are we going to fill with Play-Doh?"
SH2: "Well , shit, Brannon, why just one? Give em all tits--big ones!"
SH1: "Rick, I still don't think it's sexy enough."
SH2: "Well, shit, Brannon, put em in a decompression tank, strip em and... grease em down! Oh, and make sure you tell the camera man to pan over her ass a few times--slowly."
5. I'm sorry, but I don't watch Star Trek to see some himbo getting his hairy-ape legs greased down and then turning around so we get a profile of his Big Fat Boner.
6. They had the chance to get some really cool retro looking tech, and be inventive with how lame everything would have been. Instead, the tech on the show looks more advanced than The Original Series! Even the communicators were smaller than Kirk's! Now, I know there are people with cell phones smaller than these things, but couldn't they have come up with some kind of aesthetic response to this? Nope. "Get out the cookie cutter, we're makin a show here!"
7. No imagination, no initiative, no character, no invention. Mediocrity incarnate.
8. People will say: "wait till it gets its stride". Horseshit. These are the same people that were working on The Next Generation. They should know by know how to do one of these. The reason it sucked so bad was because they *DID* hit their stride--8 years ago. They've been in Recycle Mode ever since. It's not going to get any better. Its going to continue to suck in exactly the same way Voyager sucked for 7 years. If they couldn't come up with original characters, an original premise, or even some fresh conflict for the pilot freaking episode, then I have no hope.
Me, I refuse to give this pile of crap any more of my time.
Che Puzzo! Quel Fromage! What Tripe!
I am a fan of the Original and TNG (I hated the other 2 though), and I thought this series was great. I don't know why everyone is complaining about this or that (except for that horrible theme song)...get a life and just enjoy the show. Don't rip apart every little line and action and declare that The show sucks because the Klingon blood was the wrong color, blah, blah, blah.... I think Jolene Blolack (the Vulcan) is great (for obvious reasons) but the oil rubbing went a little too long. I really liked how they filled in little holes and let viewers know about some scientic stuff we may have been wondering about (ex: artificial gravity). That's what I think.
Jim
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I don't recall why the Klingon was even on Earth. If he was trying to get his message back to his people, what was he doing on Earth? It seems that he would have had to go in the opposite direction to get to Earth.
Oh wait, I get it... it's the only way Bragga could setup the Human-Klingon link. Gotcha.
It occurs to me that depending on how you apply the "temporal civil war" you could use this to patch up a lot of continuity errors by simply throwing this series into an alternate timeline.
Personally I'd rather not see things go that way, but it does provide a solution to writers if they feel overburdened by the history of preceeding Treks.
Correct me if I'm wrong but... didn't Warp Drive come along as a result of contact with the Wyn from the Wyn Star Cluster? I read this in the old original Star Trek book series upon which alot of Star Trek the show was based. I believe it happened after the original NCC1701 was built in earth orbit and a few years before Captain Pike commanded the Enterprize.
Also, at this early date, the starships *SHOULD* have armor plating but no shields, just impulse and reaction engines, and pulse lasers.
I know that they had a wierd episode in ST-TNG where warp drive was supposedly created, we were recognised by the Vulcans and we narrowly escaped the BORG but... can't we keep a cohesive history and time line? I mean c'mon.
Oh well, I guess I can forgive them... they do have this fantastic looking Vulcan Blalock chick.
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The essentials of a good Star Trek:
Theme Song: Sucked. Come on, I need the orchestra with the powerful brass about ready to blow my ear drums away. Something new. Not some recycled theme song written by a recycled band.
Ship: Nice design, though I honestly want to just have someone on the show explain why they picked that design for Star Fleet (circular disk, engines in the rear). If this is their first big star-ship, then at least tell me why they built it the way they did.
Crew: Interesting, but I was hoping for at least a little bit more of a clash between everyone's feelings toward each other. They all get along like compadres. Even the Vulcan science officer had little trouble getting along with the captain. Half of the storylines in Original Series/TNG/DS9 were about clashes between the crew. There's also little racial difference between them all. I mean, they're all Americanized people. At least Czechov had an accent.
Crew Chemistry: Gee, am I detecting a resurected Kirk/McCoy relationship in the captain and his science officer? At least McCoy knew when to add "colorful metaphors" when they were needed. It seems like Bacula just doesn't get the timing right (perhaps he could use some guidance from the South Park writers...can you imagine him yelling out to his crew, "Kick Ass!", and "Respect my Authorita!" to the Klingons?).
Storyline: Wait, there was a storyline I had to follow? Sorry...I had too many images of rubbing petroleum jelly all over some hot woman's back and behind. Ever since I saw some peculiar protrusions thrusting out of the Vulcan's undershirt I lost all sense of storyline.
Hot chick: Well, at least they got one thing right. Ever since Councelor Troi, this has been an absolute must. Voyager got it right in the second half of their run with Seven. At least they were able to keep some of my attention off the storyline and on the Jolene Blalock.
All in all: give me about a month to see if they can go somewhere with their setup. They've put in some good potential, and I'd like to see something come of it. But the key I would say is that Bacula has GOT to get an edge. Come on...Kirk, Sisqo, Picard, and Janeway all had veins popping out of their foreheads at one time or another in the show. Bacula's gotta do his part as well to continue the captain's legacy.
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I hope Star Trek doesn't turn into a typical prime time show like Friends or Will & Grace. Why did they make Bakula the captain? To draw an audience that normally doesn't watch? If so, what else do they have planned? I thought Star Trek made stars - it didn't hire them...
what the hell did you call good ole Seven-Of-Nine then? Like that wasn't her whole purpose for being on the show... Or Dax&Kira (to a lesser extent), or Troy, or just about every woman on TOS with those super-mini skirts. yeaow.
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Remember how it was supposedly the Vulcans that made First Contact with Earth after the first warp drive test? From the bit I saw (missed the first 1/2 hour :-/), it's the primitive race (Humans) chaifing under to tutalige of the advanced race (Vulcans). Not sure how much they'l be able to stretch out of that one, but it might make for some fresh material.
Second, didn't anyone else hear them say, "Polarize the hull plates!"? It's not the steel that's offline, but the polarization (early shield technology?) that was breaking down.
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If you guys had've paid attention instead of bashing the show, you would have heard them refer to "charging" the plating. That would shed a beam of light on the "offline" phrase used later on... wouldn't it.
I bet it's hard core Trekkies that are disapointed in the show. Too bad.
the vulcan chick is going to be a cocktease for the rest of the series. that's my guess.
Could be. I know definitely I heard a lot of people trying to get "first contact".
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
I remember a next generation (or was it a ds9...?) when the crew went back in time to the original. They used video clips from the original, actually. Really freaky. The plot hole is simple - as we all can remember, the original klingon's foreheads were way different. And, since it was the episode with all those damned tribbles, which had about 500 klingons in it, they couldn't leave them out. So they made up the excuse of some sort of genetic change over.
Since this series is before the original, that'd mean the klingons should have flat foreheads. Unless they changed it, then changed back.
I just knew exactly how they were going to use the transporter, I was just waiting for the capt. to get stuck somewhere and the crew was going to be forced to use it on him despite his fear of it. It was so predictible. Thats my only grevience with it. I'm not a big star trek fan, I watch it when ever I see it on. So I wasn't disappointed because of reused concepts like most of you did. Overall I thought it was a pretty good show. Better then I expected, I'm always sceptical of people screwing up good things.
Does anyone else think it's just INCREDIBLY reminiscent of the old (new?) Akira-class?
Ok, great, we're at the beginning of Starfleet, picking up 100 years after where First Contact left off. We have a captain that has Kirk's Vulcan-frustrating illogical habits, John Crichton's cluelessness around aliens, and Sam Beckett's dialogue (just replace "Oh boy" with "Let's go"). Some of the opening scenes are almost straight out of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the alien hangout scenes are straight out of Farscape, and the disinfecting scene is straight out of Pay-Per-View porn, bulging nipples and all. Add in some rather unsuccessful attempts to make it seem like standard Star Trek stuff is new and confusing ("Kling-ons," fear of transporters, "new weapons," etc.), and it is mildly amusing in a accident scene sort of way.
Fine it's a new show, so of course it is going to borrow from what came before it. So what is it adding that's new? Well, there's that horrible pop-ish opening theme song. Ok, so that's not a good example. Um, there's a female in a bodysuit that prominently displays her breasts. Right, that's been done. How about a ship far away from home exploring new worlds? Time traveling bad guys and temporal nonsense? Shapeshifters? An unusual doctor with various pet projects?
So none of the elements are really all that original, what about the character development and plot? I know it is a bit too early to tell, but you should at least be able to identify the characters and see how they will interact in the future, right? There's that T'Pau Vulcan chick, Captain Archer, Doctor, um, Flox, the linguist, the dimwit, the guy who brought out the guns, and the token black guy. There's probably a few more, but with identical uniforms and dim lighting, it's tough to tell people apart, especially since they all seem to have the same personality. Well, maybe they'll get to that later. There's at least some chemistry between the Vulcan and what's-his-name, but they kind of overdid that one scene and didn't put anything a little more subtle in to support it. There's the Human-Vulcan tension, but that was delivered with a sledgehammer too. And there's the Klingons, who didn't do much of anything yet. And of course we can't forget the shapeshifting temporal bad guys... So we've got a bunch of inexperienced, headstrong humans on a ship in the middle of nowhere, with some contrived time travelling plot mixed in (How long before a character from one of the other Trek shows travels back in time to help them?). And despite not having much technology to work with, they still manage to inject random technological solutions to their problems...
There's some potential here, but this first episode really didn't do much. All of the other Trek pilots seemed to have more of an impact than this one. Maybe it was just the challenge of working from a "historical" reference point and moving to an original storyline, but I'm not impressed. I would really like to enjoy this show, but I don't have a good feeling about it so far.
There were a lot of problems with this first episode to be frank, but it was entertaining.
I can't get over the fact that by updating its timeline with our current modern history, they throw out several things. Like the Eugenics War, which was suppose to have occured in the mid to late 90's -- thus arriving Khan Noonian Singh to dominate most of the world... San Francisco looked pretty much the same more than a hundred years from now. I mean -- the Eugenics Wars weren't exactly passive... Earth had to rebuild!
There wasn't much to the script at all either. It was rather disinteresting and trite. They all used common catch phrases with no innovative dialogue whatsoever. And what was the overal point of this story anyway? A small piece to a large puzzel, perhaps. Hopefully the completed puzzel will not resemble the obfuscated rubble of a junkyard...
It has potential. No doubt about it, but this story belongs in a parellel Trek universe.
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The very close parallel between Six of Nine (err Seven) and the vulcan? Both are emotionless, logical characters, whom don't always fit in with the rest of the crew. Not to mention both are large breasted women in overly tight cloths. Let us hope this is where the parrellel ends, because if T'Pol (I think thats the name) becomes meaningless sex apeal to cover up for the lack of plot, like seven of nine was I'll have to stop watching the show (My apologies to anyone who likes voyeur, err voyager =)
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They should have had someone as highly trained as a checkout girl look over the STNG scripts before they went to air. Still, it was an entertaining show at times and this one looks like it may be better.
We just need to judge it on it's own merits, instead of how it relates to all of the others.
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Second, didn't anyone else hear them say, "Polarize the hull plates!"? It's not the steel that's offline, but the polarization (early shield technology?) that was breaking down.
Forget it. Yer wasting your breath - some of the first people to start slammin' it were people who didn't really care in the first place. Some just WANT to hate this Trek as much as they hated Voyager (And, can ya blame 'em after that damned show? It almost got decent in the last season. Almost.) I heard exactly the same thing you did. So did everyone else, but some just gotta have something to bitch about.
Remember how it was supposedly the Vulcans that made First Contact with Earth after the first warp drive test? From the bit I saw (missed the first 1/2 hour :-/), it's the primitive race (Humans) chaifing under to tutalige of the advanced race (Vulcans). Not sure how much they'l be able to stretch out of that one, but it might make for some fresh material.
I agree - it's a much different perspective on things than the normal Trek setting for the last 3 shows where Humans and Vulcans are considered 'equal'. Plus, I see something very cool about this - while the Vulcans seem to have tried to protect us from ourselves based on what we've seen so far, we aren't beyond going off half cocked, and really screwing things up. I really expect to see this happen a couple of times within the series.
The other thing I see comming is how the Prime Directive finally gets created. So far, it doesn't exist. Humans can't really understand how come the Vulcans would hold back technology from us. We finally break free of the yoke somewhat, and go out on our own. Eventually, we're gonna find another species that is SO CLOSE to making it to warp technolgy, and we'll hand it to them. Then watch them have it blow up in thier face (yes, there was a Voyager a bit like that in the last season. One of the few almost likable episodes, but, it was too easily resolved for my tastes. Like most Voyager episodes. A hangnail is more of a problem than most of thier moral delimas.) After we see that happen, we'll probably start to understand the Vulcan mindset concerning the subject, and the Prime Directive will eventually created.
If fact, that Humans CAN and WILL totally screw up from time to time in this show is going to be one of my favorite things about it. 'Bout time we show ourselves for what we really are - flawed beings, who learn to adapt and overcome our problems eventually. (Ok, that's the rose colored glasses version ;-)
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The essentials of a good Star Trek:
Theme Song: Sucked. Come on, I need the orchestra with the powerful brass about ready to blow my ear drums away. Something new. Not some recycled theme song written by a recycled band.
Ship: Nice design, though I honestly want to just have someone on the show explain why they picked that design for Star Fleet (circular disk, engines in the rear). If this is their first big star-ship, then at least tell me why they built it the way they did.
Crew: Interesting, but I was hoping for at least a little bit more of a clash between everyone's feelings toward each other. They all get along like compadres. Even the Vulcan science officer had little trouble getting along with the captain. Half of the storylines in Original Series/TNG/DS9 were about clashes between the crew. There's also little racial difference between them all. I mean, they're all Americanized people. At least Czechov had an accent.
Crew Chemistry: Gee, am I detecting a resurected Kirk/McCoy relationship in the captain and his science officer? At least McCoy knew when to add "colorful metaphors" when they were needed. It seems like Bacula just doesn't get the timing right (perhaps he could use some guidance from the South Park writers...can you imagine him yelling out to his crew, "Kick Ass!", and "Respect my Authorita!" to the Klingons?).
Storyline: Wait, there was a storyline I had to follow? Sorry...I had too many images of rubbing petroleum jelly all over some hot woman's back and behind. Ever since I saw some peculiar protrusions thrusting out of the Vulcan's undershirt I lost all sense of storyline.
Hot chick: Well, at least they got one thing right. Ever since Councelor Troi, this has been an absolute must. Voyager got it right in the second half of their run with Seven. At least they were able to keep some of my attention off the storyline and on the Jolene Blalock.
All in all: give me about a month to see if they can go somewhere with their setup. They've put in some good potential, and I'd like to see something come of it. But the key I would say is that Bacula has GOT to get an edge. Come on...Kirk, Sisqo, Picard, and Janeway all had veins popping out of their foreheads at one time or another in the show. Bacula's gotta do his part as well to continue the captain's legacy.
I thought the first half it was very painful to watch the characters. Later they started to develop better and be less annoying (the captain, the vulcan science officer).
I guess it is understandable that there was not enough time to really develop any other characters.
Some parts felt tacked on, like when they originally thought of the ideas they thought they were neat (the first transporter, first phaser, first this, first that) but in the show they didn't come out nearly as interesting.
This episode was almost an homage to the first Star Trek, hopefully future episodes will tone that down. The captain was even mimicking Captain Kirk's style of action (though thankfully not his style of dialogue).
I'm happy to hear they wiped out war and disease in two generations, without even hinting at any way or philosophy they used to achieve that.
Why were they so excited about the jump from 4.4 to 4.5 warp?
How can they successfully use all those new things in one episode, but still don't have a communicator that works without static in a snow storm? Don't we already have better technology than that today?
"I was waiting for the bow-chicka-bow-wow music to kick in."
You'd need two things before that would happen:
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2) a clavinet
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As long as we (people who grew up with the Trek incarnations) don't get too picky about the "time line" accuracy, it could develop into a nice little view of ourselves. Lets give it a year and see.
I guess The Great Bird of The Galaxy isn't around for quality control.
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Except the soft porn. I agree, they should have gotten a Vulcan with real tits.
I was reminded of several ST episodes as well as Aliens and other movies. I think we should give it time to find its feet. What series isn't weak the first season?
If this is supposed to happen a century before the first ST, why is it more diverse?
Isn't it amazing how many inventions and new people, procedures, etc. all happen in such a small period of time?
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While I have a mixed opinion of the title music, I do believe it's not nearly as bad as some are saying it is. Yes, its a dramatic change from what Trek (and SF in general has done), but I would argue that's not at all a bad thing. Much of Trek's rut can be attributed to the fact that Berman and Braga hadn't been willing to take risks when they should have.
In fact, with each viewing, the song and the images that go with it are starting to grow on me. I think the orchestration could have been a little better in some spots, but that's more a point of personal preference.
Don't whine that Star Trek never does anything new when the fanbase urinates itself every time they do something new and/or different. The song is a very upbeat piece that matches the visuals beautifully. Granted, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but some of the people I watched with thought it was something that makes the theme of exploration more accessible. The fact is, that's what Fast Forward was made for, but don't try to fault Berman and Braga for at least giving an attempt to change the nature of Trek for the new century.
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I won't repeat the comments that have been continually repeated (read beaten to death,) but will come up with two that I've not seen:
1) use the right names, damnit. They're Transporters and Phasers. Etymological progression does change words as a language evolves, however, we're just talking a period of 150 years. I'm not saying it's totally out of the question that they'd become a linguistic commonality, changing their tense, etc... it just seems that they made a point of "unfamiliarizing" them with the technology to specifically unfamiliarize it. Well, duh. It just annoyed me, and I'll leave it at that.
2) just a guess, but the fuzzy dude in the temporal communications pire is probably the talking vulcan guy from the beginning trying to convince the head-strong humans to just leave it to the vulcans. IMHO, they left the voice too intact. This is not a spoiler as it is just a guess. Also, that guy's name is Gary Graham, who played Det. Matthew Sikes on Alien Nation (TV not the movie.) Don't know why I know that.
Now, I will repeat one common thread...all ST pilots have pretty much sucked. Chosing to judge an ST series by the pilot is obviously universally stupid, and you all know that.
It's not as if there have been bad starting episodes on other sci-fi's. They have a lot of development to do, but look at how much they did in the very first episode. Unfortunatly, they tried to develop an empathetic attitude for the vulcan too early.
But everything else aside, give the thing a chance! DS9 didn't get good until the last season, and Voyager never got good. Just watch this but don't compare it to TNG, it's a totally new series, watch it as you would any new show.
That's enough of me on my little soap box there. Peace, Out!
Let's see...
Getting kissed by alien hotties...
Running, two-gun Western-style shoot-outs...
Caution-be-damned attitude...
Oh, yes -- Jim Kirk is back!
(Now they just need to build a decent show around him...but I think they're on their way.)
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The Star Trek franchise has been killed. Too bad, the "universe" of the TNG timeline (DS9, Voyager) was quite good, but this new series clearly sucks hard.
The soft-porn crap has to go.
My 10 year old wasn't really ever into Star Trek.. Until tonight!
However, I think it's going to take a few more episodes for the cast to find their characters.
After that, it'll be alot easier to judge how the show will play out.
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Most of the people here would be saying the same things no matter what the episode was like. They had all these preconceptions and didn't even want to give the show a chance.
In my opinion, it was a great show. Paramount is trying to reach out to a broader spectrum here, the Star Trek franchise has been faltering as of late. Unfortunately "Star Trek" is so synonomous with geekiness and nerdom, mainstream acceptance is unlikely. Anyone else notice that the show has no mention of "Star Trek" it's just called "Enterprise." Also no cheesy re hash of the same opening sequence (no offense to TNG, it's my fav series).
This show looked really good. They are dealing with more human issues, and we are seeing the imperfectness and difficulty of space travel come out. There are some unrealistic things like I'd presume starfleet would have some trainings and protocol set for off ship expiditions, etc. I know it's only the beggining and picard's suggestion of the captain not leading away teams hasn't been implemented yet, but come on. This is Earth's first and only ship, the government and others should be watching it like a hawk and would probably have had very strict guidelines laid down.
All in all though, it seems very promising. Action, plot, suspense, drama, female teasing, all the great ingredients. We'll see how it goes. Anyone else besides me waiting for an "oh Boy" everytime something bad happened?
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They mentioned towards the end that the plating needed repolarizing -- I interpreted this as meaning that the plating isn't just a hunk of metal, but perhaps a hunk of charged metal, and perhaps whatever devices charges them is what failed.
You know what would be cool to see? An apparence of Guinan. We've seen from previous TNG episodes that she was on earth as early as the 19th century, when she was supposidly hiding from her father.
SOME of us havent seen it so try not to spoil it during the commercial break. Thanks.
Spocks parents to be revealed later???
I thought the pilot sucked. The whole idea of the plot doesnt seem like it will allow good storylines. The actors and actresses played they're characters horribly. I think they should of done a series that takes place after voyager and continue with the theme.
if it aint broke, dont fix it.
i for one loved voyager, not as as tng or tos mind you, but the characters were really deep and complex. expecially the doctor and seven. this series seems like it will be the worst one yet.
When you start worrying about offline plates, interferometric particles, and other 'science facts':
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I kinda lost the thread of the story during the :-)
action stuff. I think that the cast and writers will settle into their groove later (early TNG episodes are just as painful to watch and that show turned out so well acted and written). As for the creative license with history from the other
shows - I'll get over it. I think the ship got underway a little too easily from what I was expecting from the promos. I was looking forward to hearing more about the struggle to get around the solar system and hit warp 1, but by the time of this episode that had been accomplised, it was just a matter of what speed they could hit in doing it. As for the gratuitous sensual scene, yeah it was kinda "stuck in", but I say go for it. Have a Bochco style disclamer at the beginning of each episode and go for it, then show a directors cut version on skinimax
If they make the Hot Vulcan wear less clothes and become a love slave then I'll watch it.
No but seriously, if Al makes a cameo I'll throw up on my Tivo.
*Spoilers* (Just in case) :)
The dislike/prejudice between the Vulcans and Humans was well explained, and made quite a lot of sense as far as I was concerned. Actually did a lot for me... think it's good for there to be a bit of distrust/tension on the bridge.
Another thing I enjoyed was the Klingon, though mostly because it was the first. That's one of the nice things about this show... we get to see all the firsts. The first 'Phase Pistols' (read, phasers), the first time at Rigel-X, the first Klingon encounter, etc.
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what alienates the Klingons and Starfleet (Though is it just me or did it sound like the Vulcan ambassador talking to the just-introduced aliens? Possibly it was, his interaction is discovered, and the Klinzhai find fault with Starfleet also since they're allies of the Vulcans? Hmmm...)
And people keep talking about the decon scene (Read: Shower scene). What purpose did it play? To show that the vulcan's stacked, that's why. Worked quite well too, as far as I was concerned.
But there was one thing that just absolutely bugged the crap out of me. That's the transporter. Berman had said that they wouldn't have one in this series, mostly since it was too much of a plot safety-net. When the writers couldn't think of a plausible method to do something, out came the transporter. Then what does he go and do? He hands them back the safety net. (Though the 'Leap' effect was pretty neat)
Which reminds me, wouldn't the transporter systems need to be newer than 300yrs for Bones to always be worked up about the 'newfangled gadgets'? If something's been around for that long, I don't think someone would have that sort of reaction.
But overall I have to say that I'm looking forward to the coming episodes of 'Quantum Enterprise'.
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At one point (that I just saw, being Mr. Western Time Zone), Archer orders the hull armour polarized. Thus it can go off-line.
Your computer is just a hunk of silicon, plastic and copper until you have power. Their hull is just steel until it has been polarized. Perhaps it's time to upgrade your BSc to a PhD in StarTrekology.
So far, not the greatest. Fine. TNG sucked for the first season (and was liberally sprinkled with strange, feel-good episodes), and Voyager was only good in the last season. Give it a chance.
Questions! Sorry folks but... #1: What does bow chika wow wow mean? :/
#2: What's wrong with the new theme song? I like it. What do you guys think?
I think we have a good season ahead of us, anyway.
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I'm waiting til Sunday to watch Enterprise. Thanks, Space!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
VULCAN THO!!
The problems are numerous; I mean, armor "offline" aside, what the hell is with a new, UNTESTED ship going in on 14 highly advanced ships, taking 50 phaser hits without anything failing, etc. However, let's remember exactly how god-awful Next Gen, DSN, and SV were in their beginnings. Eventually these people figure out where their weaknesses are and "adapt"
Funny that this show actually hit the chick on the head from the get go though. Took Next Gen, DSN, and Voyager a little while to get their ladies in order... Not that I was ever her fan, but do you remember how god-awful Troy looked in the first episode? Kinda like a little empathic lesbo tank.
he question I do ask though, why the HELL would you WASTE the transporter on the first episode? Jeez, talk about using up your interesting untested devices early on. Bring on the Transporter Psychosis!
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The comment in all the ads was "Neptune and back in 6 minutes"...referring supposedly to Warp 4.5.
Neptune and back (from Earth) is 8 709 400 000 km.
They then talk about bringing the Klingon back to Kronos...4 days there, 4 days back. 4 days, again assuming Warp 4.5, works out to 5760 minutes.
Kronos, one-way: 8 361 024 000 000 km.
1 light year is 9 460 800 000 000 km.
Since we're less than a light year from the Klingon homeworld, doncha think we would have noticed the vast Klingon empire rolling over our Solar System???
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Jesus man... by those standards, what tv shows do you like? This is fiction... it's fantasy... IT'S NOT REAL. Why worry about "How can armor plating go 'offline'?" Stupid man...
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I really like slashdot for it's news postings, but most of the comments that follows by the slashdot team, especially from tim and micheal are so cynical, stupid, and obvious. Does anyone else agree with me?
DS9s theme is just stock post Starwars SciFi theme music, I don't care who wrote it, it's nothing.
Get over it. It's a TV show, not a coding textbook. Yes there will be inconsistencies and errors and who knows what else. Sometimes they're done for dramatic effect ("whoosh" sounds in space), sometimes they're done for convenience (ships always being shown upright 'cause it's too hard to explain to Uncle Vern why it's not *really* upside-down) and sometimes they just screw up. Or an author screwed up years ago. Or they're screwing with continuity on purpose and this will all make sense later.
Whatever the case for a premier episode it wasn't half bad. As many others have pointed out it's no worse then most other TV shows premier episodes and certianly not worse then any other ST's premier episode.
They've established the characters, given us a couple of directions for dramatic tension, showed off the fancy new (old) hardware and apparently started their first big plotline. Not bad for one show.
Sure we can all wonder if this is going to rise up to the best of the past or suck out loud like Voyager. As many others have pointed out that all of the series and movies and books and whatnot have had good stuff sprinkled amongst a lot of clunkers. Now the question is how will this new team and cast and direction play out and it's really unfair to judge from just one episode, particularly the first.
So enough nice-talk, my own opinions:
Anyway, I'll hold my judgement for a few more episodes. At least the premier wasn't awful even though it wasn't great either. Heres to hope...
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Did anyone other than my female friend notice that when the vulcan and the star trek guy were smothereing themselves with that goo when they had the spores...did anyone notice the guy had a big CHUBBY when she was rubbing his legs....Check when they pan down......jeezuz i would too...that vulcan is HOT!!!!
None of the "actors" could perform.
Yeah, let's look at the pilot for TOS. The very first one. Then the second one. Then we'll look at TNG's pilot.
Them people damned near had broom handles where ther spines were. The acting was INCREDIBLY stiff. No one knew their characters yet. In TOS, there wasn't even a 'mold' for that type of character yet (yes, there was Sci-fi stuff done before that, but just LOOK at it. EEEKS! Most of it was so bad it wasn't even worth it.) TNG they had something they could look towards for a model, but, none of the characters were really easily translated (Picard, for instance, couldn't be a remodled Kirk.) It wasn't until the second Season that TNG got to be very good, and continued to improve. TOS managed to 'get it' a little quicker, IMHO (Why? Dunno.) Give it time... they will grow into thier rolls, and make the characters live (heck, even the Voyager group managed THAT MUCH eventually. It took them almost the entier series to do it ;-)
The vulcan was a hissing bitch during the first half, I thought count bakula wanted to cry several time, the plot was mediocre even by the standards of the crew that brought us voyager.
Well, considering that Archer already told her at thier first meeting he'd love to knock her on her ass, can you BLAME HER? ;-)
On the Count Bakula comment, I've got no clue WTF you are talking about. Heck, he probably gave the best performance in the show. Which other actor showed much emotion on thier faces during the whole show? Not many, since they really don't know the character enough yet to really know what the character is thinking.
As for the plot - Ok, I'll give you a point for it being 'mediocre'. Comparied to the V word, naw - they already set the standard for what mediocre episodes are, and for bad episodes. ('Cept possibly "Spock's Brain" from TOS ;-) It could have been better. I think alot of it was time spent trying to prove "Hey, this isn't the Trek Universe you are used to", and trying to set the stage for where the series is going to head in the future.
What amazes me is that no one seems to have gone back to the original ST series to see what made it great. It was daring culturally for its time and tried to present a complex cast of characters. Was it perfect? No. But the Berman vision of the future is a piece of plasticine crap undistinguished by any character motivation or deep emotion.
You say Scott Bakula looked like he was going to cry, but, then say there wasn't any emotion? Sheesh.
TOS didn't have much of a complex cast. It had 3 primary characters, and 5 lesser characters. Heck, Friends has almost that many characters. So far, Enterprise hasn't even had much of a chance to explore these characters.
And of course - when all else fails when flaming Trek, pull out the Berman card. Fine, I'll trump ya with a... shoot. Ok, I gotta admit - most of what Berman touches turns to shit. He's got the Septic Tank touch. But he's finally way from the V word - he's got the chance to break free. With ST:Borager, there was a trap - once it started a direction, it was DAMNED HARD (IMHO) to change that direction. Here he's got the chance at a clean slate to work from. Given the start here, it might actually work out. Personally, I think Enterprise is gonna ROCK starting about second season, once the writers, the actors, etc., finally get in tune with thier characters and the job at hand. But I could be wrong - it's too damned hard to tell just from one episode. Give it a season to work out the kinks, then check it out again if you don't like it so far.
If nothing else, tune in for time to time just to check out the latest advances in Vulcan anatomy... ;-)
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its the friggin' vulcans. Those logical bastards just can't stand seeing an emotional redneck take to the skies!
Am I the only one who picked up the voice and the emotional reaction from the ambassador in the beginning? He's a romulan punk stickin' it to the plucky earth dudes.
I can just see the future lines already, "sometime logic just isn't enough, damn it!" Arghhh... *sigh*
Did anyone else out there like the theme song besides me? I thought it was rather refreshing to have a totally new, inspirational song, along with space advancement photos. Made you kinda proud.. Actually reminded me of the Buck Rogers opening credits, and a little bit of the Aerosmith song from Armageddon. My girlfriend (who is definately not a trekkie or a sci-fi person) actually liked the pilot, so I think the producers might have done something good in getting new viewers in. I actually didn't have to explain anything to her.. and she was happy cause she said "I hate it when they throw out all that techno-jargon that I don't understand". So now I can actually watch Enterprise with my girlfriend. woohoo :)
;) Unless they replace it with a dupe..
But seriously, I think the pilot was great. Granted, there were some really stale scenes..but for a first run, it was cool.. and the little beagle dog just plain rocks. Really adds some character to Jonathan Archer. Gonna be great seeing that little puppy grow up for 7 years
Don't you know all their armor is tethered to the hull with some good heavy duty rope? I mean, this isn't TNG, buddy. They have to have "primitive" "technology" to be "authentic."
Fer chrissakes. "Hi there, we're the /. crowd, and we have the patience of a mayfly..."
/.'s are from over-pumped expectations.
"There wasn't any character development" : hey guys, this was a PILOT. Few pilots develop much characterwise, they have too much expositional ground to cover. Two hours is what, 80 pages of script? How much "development" can you cram into that without forcing it, AND still have time to show all the neato-whiz-bang special effects for which the series is famed? (And remember, they ARE trying to build a ~new~ audience, not just attract the old. The old will keep coming to con's and buying rubber vulcan ears forever.)
"How does armor plate go offline?" SOMEbody wasn't listening when they said that the armor POLARIZATION had gone off line. 1) At least in the NCC1701 a great deal of the hull stability was imparted by gravitic and other (insert pseudo-physics handwaving) fields. Assuming something has to assist normal matter holding together at 4.5 times the speed of light, yeah, I guess that would make sense. 2) Alternately, (insert more pseudo-physics handwaving) one could postulate that the "armor" was an ultradense iron/coherent molecules/whatever the heck - something that required a charge and computer support to dynamically resist damage. Whatever, it's nit picking.
I thought the pilot was decent. Bakula was (if I may mix genres) a physical Sean Connery-esque to Picard's Roger Moore-ish distance. I thought, yes, some of the supporting roles were pretty forced. But then again, I *remember* Encounter at Farpoint - a truly crappy pilot. Ship's Counsellor? What, a ship's prostitute in the future? And remember, Riker and Troi could communicate telpathically? That was dumped pretty quickly. And who can forget the Naked Now (episode 2) where writers (apparently already grasping at plot straws) reverted to the old saw of "everyone acting opposite" which would have been a lot better if we had more than caricature opinions of what their personalities WERE in the first place!
ST:NG took FIVE SEASONS to come up with ep's like "The Inner Light" - DS:9 royally sucked the first 2 years (fortunate, since I preferred watching B5 anyway...which ALSO took at least a few episodes to find it's feet).
The only two gripes I've seen that are valid IMO are the gratuitous slathering scene (not unappreciated, but pretty obvious. My god, no wonder we like the Vulcans!) and the points about putting spoiler comments on the front page before it aired. Rather provincial mistake, really.
The rest of you, cripes, give it a season or two. Let some of the characters' personalities gell a little, and let some chemistry develop. They may even change the theme music. I think it was a fine pilot, given the circumstances, no matter how "disappointed" some
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If you don't want to get spoiling, why the heck do you continue reading after "tonight's enterprise episode, first reactions" ? I don't get it, why do people bitch about that, you KNOW what's comming.... I didn't see the episode *I* wanted to see people's reaction, so I am happy about it, if I wouldn't want to read anything about it, I'd just skip it.
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Bitching for bitching is lame, okay bitching against the people bitching isn't any better, but can someone actually explain in a Vulcan way (logic heh) what's the problem with that?
sheesh
oh and the letters in the topic are for your own imagination, you probably guessed the F right though
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I just love how now with T'Pol, when you call a Vulcan pointy, you're not just referring to their ears :).
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They have beam weapons, but hey, we have beam weapons nowadays. As for their shielding, what I gathered was they have armour plating, which they're running some type of charge through to strengthen it. And the transporter is still very experimental, they said it had just been cleared for organic matter, and the other person said,"You mean fruits and vegetables, right?" Did you see the look on the captain's face when they beamed him up?
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As far as gravity goes, they seemed to only be able to mimick gravity, and poorly at best, since there's a "sweet spot" in the ship. In all I'm happy with it, since they don't have any form of projected 'force' energy.
Of course I'm talking out my sci-fi ass here.
Too bad they decided to make a space pornoseries... I can't watch the show with my two and four year old kids in the room... Which means I can't watch the show at all.
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What I am complaining about is the spoiler info on the Slashdot opening homepage. As I said with movies spoiler stuff is inside after you click the link and there are even warnings saying so. You know, little messages like "caution: spoilers ahead" Slashdot does this when reviewing movies for people who haven't seen the movie yet. I was only suggesting the same thing should be done for series premiers like this as well. In order to not see that "commander whatchamacallit has no personality" and some other stuff I tried to avoid reading I would have to avert my eyes before I scroll down or maybe just not visit Slashdot until after Saturday.
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That vulcan chick has a nice ass. I'd hit that shit in a heartbeat. Vulcan's have a pussy, right?
I mean, I can figure it out, but Slashcode adds spaces so that the tables line up. Do it like this
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Seriously, other than Kevin Smith films, slashdot movie/tv reviews could be replace by a simple fill in the blank.
;) but really) Whoever (wrote/directed/acted/produced) this (movie/show) should be banned from (writing/directing/acting/producing) forever.
"This (movie/show) is one of the worst we have ever seen, in fact, its even wose than the last (movie/show) we reviewed. The acting was (bad/flat/overdone/mediocre). The script was (bad/flat/overdone/mediocre). The only high point was (female leads name)'s (shirt/shorts/skirt/shower scene) but what is something like that doing in this movie. (Not that we minded
Come on guys, get a new script for your reviews, the current one is getting old.
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I've seen this before.
No, really. I'm quite familiar with a ship on an exploration mission solving problems in an episodic format.
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HOW ABOUT SOME CREATIVTY PLEASE?
I'd like a premise I haven't seen before. I'd like a plotline that isn't so blaringly obvious. I'd like some genuine puzzles that can't be neatly solved in an hour. I'd like real conflict with real problems. A little philosophy maybe?
We have seen good scifi on televsion. It does exist. Dr. Who. Babylon-5. The Prisoner. Red Dwarf. Space: Above and Beyond.
Is it too much to ask? Is it really so hard to bring good writing to the small screen? Are there so few screenwriters interested in doing good SF?
I want NEW.
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I must say, the pilot wasn't nearly as much of a disappointment as I'd prepared for. The cast was decent, except that Ho Shi *sp* girl has the most irritating high pitched voice, the Vulcan seems a bit too irritable for a Vulcan, and no one was acting very military.
However, a few technical inaccuracies were brought up by a friend of mine: First, it's a historical fact, as mentioned in some episode of Next Generation, that the first encounter between the humans and the Klingons resulted in the war between them. Second, the Vulcans supposedly did not know of the existence of Klingons until AFTER the humans ran into them [the Klingons]. Third, the humans encountered the Klingons *after* they were renamed to the United Federation of Planets, and unless I missed something in this episode, they have not yet been renamed. Especially since they were renamed on the same day they authorized the creation of the NCC starships.
I'd like to hear comments on this, since I'm not entirely sure of the accuracy here. Much of this is secondhand knowledge, but I *do* recall hearing that the first encounter with the Klingons provoked hostility, and not gratitude.
Besides that, the pilot was indeed interesting. Though I wonder why the Suliban are not mentioned in any of the other series. Many species don't come up more than once, but it seems like these should, it being a historical event and all as one of the first species encountered.
This post probably sounds like more complaints than anything, but to be quite honest, my only real complaint with the show as of this point is the theme. What the hell? It sounds like some soap opera theme. It's the very first Star Trek without the captain's intro of Cochran's speech [which was an interesting little revelation]. And why widescreen?
Ah well, overall it was better than I expected.
Jesus man... By those standards, what tv shows/movies/anything do you like? This tv series is fiction... it's fantasy... IT'S NOT REAL. Why care about "How can armor plating go 'offline'?" It's stupid man.
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I really like slashdot for it's news reporting, but the comments by the slash staff, especially tim and michael are so cynical, stupid, and extremely obvious. Does anyone else agree?
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...but it seems to be more for the show than for humanity.
This premiere was better in any one spot than my new favorite show Farscape. However, this premiere also had a pace and resolution of my all time most disgusted show; Voyager.
I swear to god, every last Voyager writer should be barred from ever writting for TV ever again.
There is one virtue of commitee writing in this case, and that is that the Voyager writers didn't get their hands into everything. You can taste what they didn't contaminate, because it doesn't stink. The ending was not something that escaped them. That is probably the greatest failure of this episode, and the one that really sticks with everyone that saw the show. How many people recall how it really ended? The last thing I remember is Archer talking with T'Pau like Janeway talks to 7of9, and then Archer going on the bridge to say something encouraging. The ready-room scene is the part that sticks, not the bridge scene.
Also, the theme song blows major ass. The video is rather disjointed from it, and while fitting, is pretty tacky. Overall, the intro says "one season, tops." Get rid of it. At the very least, do something I couldn't do in Flash 5.
I've seen people questioning how "hull plating" could fail. The answer is that the plating itself doesn't fail. What they have for "shields" is effectively a primitive combination of TNG's structural integrity field and TOS' defence screens. It's more integrity field, though. It is supposed to increase the armor strength of the hull beyond that of its physical properties. From the technobabble, you can assume they do this by putting a lot of energy into the plating to somehow strengthen the electro-magnetic properties of it. Think about how much harder it is to disrupt a stack of little metal blocks over if you magnetize them.
The blue girls on the planet seemed like something that could have been straight out of TOS. I didn't have a problem with the gel scenario itself - I doubt anyone sane did - but like most people I thought the camera work was extremely tacky.
T'Pau's make-up makes her look very elfin. I like the look, and though it detracts from the typical Vulcan make-up I find it a nice addition to the Vulcan species. Her wardrobe is pathetically 7of9. I'd be willing to bet that Vulcans usually wear those heavy robes to feel more comfortable in lower gravity enviornments. T'Pau's character must be feeling even more naked than her actress does. T'Pau herself is a moody bitch instead of a coldly logical creature with an alien alure. Commander Savok was my favorite Vulcan female. How many people realized exactly what she did on Genesis for Spock? I sure didn't until years later. It wasn't a shock, because it was logical. I don't want T'Pau to be a copy of Spock. I do want her to be a little less insulting by grace of class and more insulting by grace of logic.
While it was humorous, I was cringing badly at every Vulcan on the premiere. I think it was bad writing as much as bad editing as much as bad acting. Those were not Vulcans, those were people pretending to be Vulcans. They just didn't have ANY of the strength of will that comes from having found Kalimar. They were dirty little conspirators constatly feeling off guard with the irrational humans.
Of course, everyone probably figured out that the Vulcans were making sure humanity could stand on its own two feet by not giving too much information. That was something that was a little painful to see... nobody got that?
I like Hioshii. Nothing wrong there at all, just make sure she doesn't stay stagnant. Character development is vital to everyone.
Captain Archer isn't as passionate as he is irrational. This is supposed to be part of his character development, so I'm not critisizing it quite yet.
Enterprise NX-01 is a nice adaptation to the new ship we saw in First Contact in the battle against the Borg. It works. I know some people don't like it when old tech looks better than new tech, but the concept is more important to my mind, and that has remained intact.
What REALLY bothers me about this episode is that the "new" enemies are almost exactly the same as the ones found in Insurrection. God, I hated that movie. I refuse to add it to my Star Trek library, ever. The one saving grace of that entire movie was the cool nebulas, but as we all know, pretty graphics do not make sales after opening weekend.
The technobable was somewhere between TNG and Voyager. Technobable should not ever be technobable. In TNG it was always comprehendable. I had a bit of trouble trying to keep the technobable straight in my head. There was a lot of non-sense strewn about the few key words of realistic and theoretical science.
The plot was similar to the technobable. It just didn't hold together all the time. In that sense, it was a lot like Voyager. This episode didn't have to be two hours for the content it had in it, but if it was only one hour it would have been just like a Voyager episode. If that was the case, the two words left in people's minds would be "suck" and "boobies" and they would try to connect them in some way to make up for the lack of connections in the episode.
So far, I'm concerned that this series has taken bits and pieces from almost every single piece of Star Trek lore to create something new. The going line for this series has been "we've never done this before!" I hope they do go boldy go where no man has ever gone before, as TOS did. There is real promise here, but there is also the chance this will go the way of Voyager.
This premeire seems to be a sampler, and it is up to us to decide where we want to go with our main course. I say we set course for the second star to the right.
Lastly, I think Star Trek should once again get one or more advisors from NASA, MIT, maybe even slashdot (hah.) People with connections that can relay ideas back and forth between writers and experts in their fields.
I'm as mimsy as the next borogove but your mome raths are completely outgrabe.
I should point our (according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, 2nd Edition) that the "warp factor" does not necessarely mean times the speed of light.
The following is blatantly plagarized from page 373:
Speed KPH x Light Speed
Std Orbit 9600
This is in reply to a comment lower down that talks about it being 4 days to Kronos and back.
According to this, if Kronos is 1 light year away, we'll say exactly 1 light year for "educational" purposes, it would take 1 year at warp 1, 36 days at warp 2, 9 days at warp 3, and 3 days at warp 4. So the calculation was pretty close to correct, I've just added some other data to it.
I always took his comment to be an offhand inside joke (ie. inside to the trek community), not some sort of statement about the Trek universe.
Its all wheat and crap
I wonder if the people do actually read the stories submitted? because the last month I have been submitting stories that where rejected in about 1hr later. The same storie(s) get posted by others or (for example) on kuroshin without problems
Is a submission of a story depending on one person? or on a few people who vote yes/no? because it is certainly taking away my interest and motivation to even post another (interesting) story again.
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
That's what piracy is for!
Dear Slashdot editors,
I read one of your stories today. It wasn't very good, I didn't find it interesting, and it was filled with grammatical errors.
I don't think I'll be reading your little site anymore.
Love,
A Reader
Potato chips are a by-yourself food.
Considering I had a three year old screaming "I want to watch Iron Gaint" through the first half and the last quarter "Blues Clues Blues Clues". The show looked visually very good... audio I'm sorry I missed most of that.
I didn't think those were Vulcans... Come on now Vulcans are far better at controlling their emotions... It would be much better if they were Romlans that would give Earth the excuse for a war.
These new villians I'm not sure about. I think they'll have to be talking about genetic engineering alot. Wasn't their supposed to be an age that alot of people on earth got geneticly engineered. I think I remember that it was later made illegal. This could be a great time for that.
Okay...Jolene Blalock is pretty hot. Berman hit on the formula with 7of9 and found another nymphette to titillate frustrated teenage boys by juxtaposing a pointy-eared swimsuit model with a cold, emotionless demeanor.
The whole thing with the DNA-encoded secret information. 1) It's unlikely that the Klingons would have such a technology. (In TNG, they hadn't the technical sophistication to fix Worf's broken spine, since they often favored euthanasia to advancing medical science.) 2) I won an award from HP and the ACM for a science fiction story I wrote in which the underground of a plutechnocratic Silicon Valley used the same biological transfer methods as their "underground newspaper." I'm pissed.
you start seeing the Intel Blue Guys(TM) in a new Star Trek episode, cleverly disguised as a primitive morphing race.
where's the poll dammit? You can add a poll to a story, do it here.
sulli
RTFJ.
well, i agree that the theme song has to go. i have been a real fan of star trek theme music ever since ds9, and this theme was more fitting for dawsons creek than enterprise. :)
i think its to early to tell if enterprise is going to flop or not. everyone said that with voyager after the first season, but i really enjoyed the show with the start of the second season. i am not sure however, with the cast of scott bacula (spelling?) as captain, but i wasnt to fond of janeway in voyager either, so again, i am going to wait and see!
other than that, i really enjoyed the pilot. at least i have a cute vulcan science officer to look forward to, if everything else fails!
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Maybe it is that future genetically engineered corn.
Don't forget about Ezri, my favourite...
A World in a Grain of Sand / Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Infinity in the Palm of your Hand / And Eternity in an Hour.
Best line of the show! And how about the Captain's face after he was beamed aboard. That was great. Overall could have been better. Time will tell though.
Its just a sig people.. geez...
They're pointy.
"Osmotic Eel" is a band name waiting to happen.
In Soviet Russia, Chuck Norris will still kick your ass.
Jolene Blalock. [maximonline.com]
Am I the only onwe that thinks it's kinda of sad that this got +5, iformative?
Stupid like a fox!
Actually the warp scale must be logrithmic, like the Richter Scale (where a 5.0 quake is 10 times as powerful as a 4.0 quake) - the captain's father mentioned that the Warp 5 engine would be 1,000 times faster than the previous.
Thanks for the nice math, though.
Nobody knows how to spell on the Internet. No wonder Vulcans have such barely veiled contempt for us. Oh, sorry...forgot it was only a tv show there for a second.
Anyone know if this is his real name? Wonder if he realizes that it makes biologists (especially mammologists) think of penis bones (also known as os penis)? The latin term baculum (little rod) refers to the bone that most mammals (excepting humans) have in their penis. Following my reader's knowledge of latin, bacula (bakula) sounds like an acceptable plural to my ears... thus Scott "penis bones"
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I think I've finally put my finger on what it is that has always made the Star Trek series (plural) special.
They are the only series that I can think of (except for M*A*S*H) that builds a thoughtful platform for discussing philosophy. Transmitting philosophy and encouraging rational thinking has always been the hallmark of ST, started by good old James T. Kirk/Bones and perfected by Picard and Riker.
What else on television sets such a great example for the moral standards we should set, not only in the future but today as well?
what the hell did you call good ole Seven-Of-Nine then? Like that wasn't her whole purpose for being on the show... Or Dax&Kira (to a lesser extent), or Troy, or just about every woman on TOS with those super-mini skirts. yeaow.
It's good you threw the mini-skirt bit on there, because we wouldn't want *shudder* Dr. Pulaski (st:tng replacement for crusher during season 3 iirc) ending up on that list.
I think saying the female characters are there just for wankoff material is obviously wrong, though the people who do star trek casting certainly took the dick-in-hand factor into account on at least a couple occasions.
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. --Ben Franklin
You know, I think Worf's comment was meant to be a joke.
The explanation is that it's a TV show, and back then they had bad make-up. Let's just assume that how they look now is how they've always been meant to look, and be done with it.
Hell, at one point, I think the Klingons were supposed to be modeled after the Russians, but that kinda drifted away...
How do you know Capt. Archer isn't gay?
Thank god. Gene R. would be proud. The TNG/Voyager/DS9 time was a little too antiseptic for my taste.
I, for one, was glad to see them play up the tension between the humans and vulcans (gee, you mean we haven't always been best friends?). Just goes to show you what was achieved by Kirk's time. I was glad to see the humans buck them and take the bull by the horns and just do what we've always done...explore. For no logical reason other than that's what we want to do.
Loved the ship, loved Bakkula, he's a "regular" guy who has a dog and a ball cap. I was beginning to think pets had been outlawed in the future and so had headgear (except for Guinan's dopey hats). Glad to see a smaller crew (instead of a cast of 1000's). This is what Trek was all about once upon a time--human beings taking risks and exploring, not managing crises. Picard was OK, but he was no captain in my book.
Not sure about the temporal villans yet, time will tell (pun intended).
As for the boney-headed Klingons, the story supposedly was that they adopted a "more human" look during the original ST years to more easily deal with humans, but that it was a dismal failure and a shameful episode in their history, that's why they don't discuss it.
In all, the best Trek I've seen in a long, long time.
Nitewing '98
Everything works...in theory.
Okay,
:P
First off, the theme absolutely must go. Not the intro itself, I thought the video was perfect for the theme, but the song -- jeez, at least they could use that song from all the previews ("Wherever You Will Go", by the Calling). Preferably, orchestrated.
Secondly, yeah, Jolene Blalock was hot, but um, NO KIDDING!! You don't even need to read (heh) the go-change-yer-pants Maxim article to know that. But didn't anyone else think Hoshi was gorgeous? Pretty smile, perky 'tude...
On a related note, Hoshi and Phlox will have the most potential as characters, I think, I really liked 'em. The rest will have to prove themselves to me, their acting was mediocre, but I think this comes with the territory when you get a group of actors together on a new show for the first time.
In any case...I think I'll watch this more than I did Voyager; much as I loved the characters on Voyager (and for them I'll miss the series), it turned into a soap opera. Even with Seven -- and by the way, I think I'm the only male that really didn't find her all that attractive.
Cheers!
Ryan
"All your base are belong to this file I send in order to have your advice."
Well, I had hopes for Crusade...so I guess Rangers won't own m3 for t00 long ;-)
This show is GREAT!!! I love how their weapons need to be turned on (limited battery?), no one trusts the transporter, their sensors had trouble locking onto people, the crew is learning their equipment, and the crew bickers (realistic). The best part is that their engine room, stairs, and ladders all have railings very much like on US submarines! Oh my God, that is a very nice touch! Their uniforms are a lot like our poopysuits (jumpsuits we wear on the boats) and I love the flat profile of the ship! I also enjoyed seeing the crew crosstrain on positions, just like in real life! I also love the fact that their top end speed was only warp 4.5 (I assume they are using the ST:TOS warp scale of 4.5*4.5=times the speed of light). Also the ship was effectively depth charged! Oh I love so much about this show already! We even get to see humans screw up first contact with the Klingons, setting up the stage for a cold war with them in Kirk's time! Lastly I love the fact that they can't rely on super technology to solve their problems! No more ST:TNG technology conquers all crap! I love this show!
-- Remember that we live in a world where all the really big decisions are made by people with short attention spans.
They really screwed up with the Klingons. Now they're going to have to say the human-like appearance was the first thing to go wrong, and then a second one changed them back. (Why am I making excuses for such a blatant f-ck up?)
I guess since Vulcans aren't emotional, they must always have hard nipples. That, or the shower was pretty cold.
it's conceivable that some of these dialects might be related to diverse "races" of Klingons. Some are wussy Klingons who wear chain mail, some are mean ones with big ridges and lots of sharp bladed weapons.
Wasn't one of Jadzia Dax old "ridged" Klingon friends identical to one of Kirks "smooth" Klingon enemies? There had to be some kind of transformation then, instead of several races.
Good pg-13 soft core tit shots, and the action seemed to be a bit contrived, but I guess with the action of the last few days it was acceptable. Pick apart the techno, and every sci-fi is schlock, I watched it for the entertainment, and gave it a "B". What the heck, only way to go is up?? hopefully??
Here's what I liked:
Vulcan vs. Human interactions: The pilot had a nice twist by pitting the two races together on a governmental level where representatives of each could display their predjudice, mistrust, and fear of each other. This was perfectly believable. As insufferable as the rather pretentious and overprotective vulcans are and as impulsive and basically untrustworthy as humans are, I'm surprised the two never ended up in a war on opposite sides. Obviously the vulcan / human thing has been overdone in the past but it was always on a mano y mano level , never at the level of governments maneuvering for control of a situation.
The tribute to green (and other coloured) Orion slave girls: Remembering Christopher Pike's Talos induced vision of a visit to Rigel's slave markets was a nice touch.
I didn't think the disinfectant scene was too pr0nish... To me, it actually seemed as if the director had vague arty pretensions and thought the sensuality of the scene, mixed with the harsh dialogue, would create a lovely bit of dissonance. I think he almost succeeded in this effect.
I really liked the joy these ship-board geeks found in their technology, such as "warp 4.5!" or the sweet spot. TOS had a similar love of technology but the later series seemed to lose their joy in what could be done and what the possibilities are.
I like that the characters finally have a measure of humanity. They're occasionally noble, often shortsighted, easily amused and excited, sometimes brave, usually susceptible to blind predjudice, quarrelsome, hypocritical, and driven by baser instincts they usually dont try to understand. This is a return to the happier days of TOS when (wo)men were (wo)men and even when Kirk would give a sanctimonious speech about his / Federation ideals at the end of an episode, you could hardly forget that he spent the bulk of the episode violating almost every single one of the Federation's sacred beliefs and rules. That sort of willful inconsistency and hypocrisy is typical of almost every human who has held any sort of real power. That is how people would really act, not as the insufferable, always correct robot that was Picard / Janeway. Most leaders will always have more Shatner than Stewart in them. For example Bush's line: "We value our freedom and we value America. That's why we're going to ban any real encryption because freedom is a wonderful thing." could have just as easily been spoken by Kirk in some vague defense of the Prime Directive after he topples a planet's leader and sleeps with all the green and lavender women with iron brassieres he could grab.
Ranting aside, its nice to see the Ugly American in space again.
I think this was the best ST pilot since The Cage and the dark few first minutes of DS9. It wasn't great sci-fi but I think it'll have half a chance if the writers can resist the urge for preachiness.
Am I the only onwe that thinks it's kinda of sad that this got +5, iformative?
Quite possibly. I can't think why anyone else would find it sad that link to pictures of the hot chick from the new star trek serries got modded informative.
I was informed. How is that sad? Surely pictures of Jolene Blalock aren't sad!
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. --Ben Franklin
Alot of stuff has been said already comparing this to the other series, where it should fit in between TOS and TNG. I don't think anyone's brought this one up yet, something I noticed was funny.
Transporters are very new technology and they dealt with that very well (the look on Archer's face after having been beamed up was pretty good), however, the transporter beam seemed to me to be way ahead of TOS in look and speed, much more in line with TNG+. It's good and well to make the transporter look "neat", but in the other series, at least they can make each species transporter look distinctly different - why not make this one look more "primitive"?
That, and, we've all seen transporter accidents before (a few fatalities, and plenty of close calls) - This one seemed to go off without a hitch! Strong sensor lock, no anomolies, etc.
Nitpicking, yes. Dissappointed, kinda. Tired and rambling? yeah
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I'm glad to see a more Kirk like captain. Nice to see some action scenes. "Teleport device" and "Phase guns" was funny. But why is it going to be on at 7? Why not 8 like voyager?
Now if DirecTv would just carry UPN.
Season Four of ReBoot in November on YTV.
Non-Canucks, I can't help ya.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Everybody know porno music goes: bow-chicka-bow-chicka-wow.
I'll bet you can't even do the Transformers sound right.
It has potential. I'll give it that. I watched the whole thing... so that has to count for something. I guess.
Spare me the power balad theme song. I laughed soooo hard.
and, as for the tits. Wow. Those must have cost a lot. Honestly, those are some of TV's top ten. How far will cable TV go? hehe. I love it.
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
It inspired people. It infuriated people. Diplomats complained and complemented. People cared. It mattered.
"Enterprise" will be followed in my area by Chicago(?) police officers blowing up the local bad-guy aliens. If Voyager and the first episode are any guides, it will be a toss-up which will be more socially and technologically intriguing. The aliens will have less variety than one finds among humans in downtown LA. The technology... will look like an inspired 1960's vision of the future. This seems so very sad.
Might one do another "Star Trek" today? The original required continuously fighting the network suits, and spending through the nose for the special effects needed just to make every-day surroundings work. So "the studio _is_ the network" doesn't help. I fuzzily recall the DS9 director(?) saying some of his interesting stuff was only possible because the suits were off focused on Voyager. Voyager. I could live with moralizing, but it would be nice to get at least "harassed at airport" level thought behind it, rather than say "drunk homeless person" rantings. Ah well. But imagine, what would a new ST look like? Assuming the same basic "socially-and-technically-inspired cowboys in space" telling somewhat thoughtful stories?
Well, you need someone who can tell stories. West Wing has what's-his-name. TOS had several people. As for the social and technical...
Start anywhere. Dynamic organization rather than rigid hierarchy. A tight team acting as one, rather than "we run our sub with 18-year olds, so everything is explicit and verbose". A cast of people with deep and varied skills, rather than a couple of "I can do everything"s. People with intelligence, insight and wisdom, who make you think "gosh, what a neat perspective", rather than "god, how mindlessly stupid". Communication, coordination, planning, politics.
Walk the taboos - nudity, physical contact, backrubs, grooming, sex, social groupings, marriage, appearance. Religion - discussion of, high-profile belief in, disbelief. Push the envelope on race, class, caste, age young and old, pretty and ugly, fit and not, intelligence exceptional and impaired. Our changing humanness - delegating intelligence to the environment, genetic mods, non-biological component integration, symbiots.
Technically, if it is already being prototyped now, it's pretty silly to ignore it. Pervasive computing. Intelligence augmentation. Pervasive robotics, varied and autonomous, and active environments. Wide-band user interfaces with gesture, voice, VR, holography, force feedback, face and tone interpretation, task understanding, etc. Walk though the MIT Media Lab, and grab everything interesting. Read DARPA's current request for proposals.
Yes it would require work. Just doing zero-g in a shirt sleeve environment is a big pain. But it doesn't seem like ST is even trying any more. Perhaps that's ok, and Paramount is just mining out the last interest in a 1960's vision. I saw someone argue that the only problem with Voyager was that DS9 existed, which "divided the demographic". Perhaps. But that's not why I don't think of it as Star Trek. We can do better. Yes?
(Hmm, Neptune in 10 minutes means a light-hour per minute, so about a light-year per week. I hope they brought board games.)
I liked it too! :)
It was season 2, and you should have seen her when she guest starred in a TOS episode. I believe it was called "Is There No Truth In Beauty". Damn fine brunette in her younger days.
Hmm. . .I agree with many of the people here. . .
.she fits the role well, however if she ever starts having 'human' feeling of affection (to boost ratings) we know that the series is going down. . .if she gets into a relationship we know it's toast. That 'rub down' scene was a little daring for the first show. Case and point:
.I have a feeling that they're going to try rating-boosting stuff too early, though :(.
this has a lot of potential and they'll need to do some character development and re-orging like in the last few series before it is comfortable.
The thing that I'm leary about is the vulcan chick. .
1) Original Trek there was alien ass but no "love".
2) Next Gen ended when Wharf and Troy started their 'relationship'.
3) Voyager added 9 for some T+A ratings which was good, however as soon as she started having 'human' feeling it ended.
4) DS9 went severly down hill after the Kira and Odo thing.
"Love" is always a sign that the Trek producers are hurting and attempting to appeal to a wider audience. Imagine if the original Trek got to the point that Ohura (sp?) and Kirk had a "relationsip"? That would have been plain ass lame.
If they just keep her attractiveness at POA status and don't do anything with it we're cool. .
A few observations:
Yeah, the opening theme's gotta go.
The ship looked great. More like a real ship than the "Love Boat" that was Enterprise-D or Voyager.
I really liked the low(er) tech approach, especially the "tractor beam". No magic particles or mysterious fields. Just good old fashioned hardware. However, I didn't like the fact that they could adjust the sensors so easily. Just looks like more magic. It would be better if they had limited technology so they have to find other ways to be resourceful.
Soft core, I didn't mind too much. Did nothing for the plot, although I must admit I wasn't really paying attention to the dialog. Paramount just trying to hook the 12-24 male demographic.
They should keep the the plasma "blasters". I thought they worked better visually than the "phase pistols".
It was interesting to see the beginnings of the "Prime Directive" when T'Pol was cautioning Tucker to view alien cultures objectively. I always assumed that the Prime Directive was there to protect alien cultures from Federation interference or as an easy cop-out for the Feds when they don't want to get involved. The exchange between T'Pol and Tucker hinted that the Prime Directive is going to be there primarily to protect humans by keeping them out of trouble.
I hope they don't run into any tribbles in this series.
Or how long before one of the crew members becomes possessed/infected by some alien force...
Or the computer gets taken over...
Or the shields get blasted down to nothing and our heroes pull out just in time...
Sheesh.
A couple of thoughts are on the table about the Klingon evolution tract, especially now that there's a temporal cold war. There are two first contacts that have occurred; you only know about one. Wait a season, the latter will be fixed; the former, on the other hand, may be quite a bit down the road, if handled at all. My guess is it'll just remain alluded to, but I point out that this temporal cold war (originating five to eight hundred years in the future) will solve many of the currently perceived "conflicts."
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
all i have to say about the cold chamber is damn, you could cut glass with those suckers!
Or did it say somewhere in TOS that Kirk's Enterprise was the first starship to have two warp nacells instead of the standard four..
And if this is so, why is this primitive Enterprise driving around with two?
Gene Roddenberry co-authored a paper with a couple of astrophysicists from the Harvard/Smithsonian Center For Astrophysics regarding where the homeworlds of the various Trek species are. They used what the show said about the characteristics of the homeworlds and selected stars which had appropriate characteristics. If you want to know where the homeworlds are, or whether they got the show right or not, go look it up.
I know about the paper because one of my closest friends is one of the astrophysicists.
However, you're right: they messed up bigtime when they said that, and it nagged me at the time too.
Has anyone given any speculative thought to who, in the future, might be trying to pull apart the Klingon Empire before it gets too powerful?
Is that a news post? Seems more like someone giving their cynical review of a show/movie. Damn, what a negative attitude. Wish you wouldn't infict it on everyone else. I thoroughly enjoyed the premiere of Enterprise, but knew their would be people on bulletine boards with attitude problems. I intended to avoid reading the whining posts simply by not going to Star Trek discussion groups. Well that didn't work. The opening sequence is awesome. The contemporary music brings the show so much closer to the present and inspires one to make these things happen. Starships are shown to be a clear result of and step in the progression of human achievements that have happened and are happening. Humans, including Charles Tucker and Johnathan Archer are much more like modern humans with attitude problems and much growth yet to happen. They are going to make mistakes. They are wrong about many things. And by the end of the show, we see the journey has already begun. There is some understanding. There is some enlightenment. People in the Enterprise era are exactly as I would expect them to be. By the time of Kirk, there are very few such as McCoy. And by the time of Picard, they are extinct. I'm not going to get into explaining about the polarized hull plating. If you suspended disbelief and realized you are viewing reality, you wouldn't even think things like that. Instead, you'd think there must be something you don't know or are misunderstanding which is exactly what has happend. And I liked watching T'Pol decontaminate. She is beautiful. I feel so elated and privelaged to be able to witness the historic events of the future. I have so many positive things to say, but I just felt the need to counteract the negative vibes from that post.
I won't say that Clarke's gone completely senile, but honestly, did you read 3001? What the hell was that?
I'd like to see a real SF writer consultant (didn't B5 have Harlan Ellison?), but someone who's writing good stuff currently. Michael Flynn, for example, is pretty good at plausible near-future settings.
Well, they got rid of the idiot American host from last season, and replace him with.. another American host. (Only saw two minutes at the end, don't know if he's an idiot or not)
I want the English host back, damnit. Junkyard Wars the Americanized Version just isn't as good as the original.
True, true... I had forgotten about that. But, also remember in Star Trek 5 there was a blending of both types... some of the guys on the warbird had pretty smooth heads, as did the woman. And the old man was as bumpy as normal. I've only seen that movie once though... so it's hard for me to remember. I think that's because I want to forget. :)
She did use it all over. Oh, yeah...
(yes, I know Paramount is playing me like a fish on a hook. they're good at it.)
He said that one set of Klingons were Northern Klingons, a reference to Northern Italians who are more likely to have blond hair than Southern Italians due to their descent from wandering barbarian tribes as opposed to Latin tribes.
It was a joke.
its not like they flew 767's into their space ship.
OK, that opening music has gotta go... And the opening sequence reminded me of a cross between Quantum Leap and The Wonder Years...
;-)
But beyond that - this show has definate potential. It's nice to see how some things are already being tied into the original series. Like - why was the science officer a Vulcan? What did T'pau look like before she got scaggly and daggly...
I kinda liked the pink and blue butterfly eatin' dancers, and oh yeah, did I mention T'pau has a really nice rack?
Sure the show's goofy - but hey, the economy is in the doldrums, and Paramount's gotta save some money on all those SFX somehow
I'll give it another 6 or so shows to see whether I need to deprogram it from the VCR and just skip to Special Unit 2 w/Alexondra Lee (that show sucks, but she's a total babe...)
If you don't pretend to be anyone, are you?
Ok Michael I get the False Cynicism :P
Before people go and assume things about the show lets see what we got stacked up so far.
Production Quality
From the moment that klingon fired his phaser at the corn silo, you could see effects qualities on par with not so recent films such as twister. The letterbox Format was sweet on my non HDTV tv, I know UPN does broadcast digital so it was probably on par with a full theater production for those with the proper setup. The explosion was very nicely done with many particles flying everywhere. Question is, how did they do that? Set's actually pulled you into the storyline. You could tell attention to detail was the primary goal of the directors. Makeup was great as was the props. It was a completely new look that had no resemblance to ST STNG STDSN, well none of em.. Awesome!
Storyline
The story at this point seems to revolve around scott bakula's character, with his flashbacks to his childhood where his father is the inventor of the warp 4.5 engine. He holds a very visible (and at one point very vocal!) attitudes towards Vulcan's for not giving his father the equivalent of killing the goose. First episode, he got into fist fights, used the first phaser, got acid trails, got some nookie, AND on top of all this had badass space battle scenes. It was all glued together very well, the plot was not as predictable as I thought it was going to be.
My Thoughts
I'm amazed to see Scott Bakula playing such a physically demanding role. I hope the writers understand that this is his ticket, ACTION AND FIGHTING W00T. Kirk and Spock were best buddies, Vulcan's and humans had hung out for 200 years by then. Captain archers distain and Commander archer's relationship blended together well, but lacked the friendship aspect that Kirk and Spock had. You could tell that Sneaky Vulcan is going to have more secrets throughout the show. I predict he basic elements of the show (weekly focus change to different characters, new species, new planets) will remain the same. Star trek is about a voyage of discovery.
And a question to paramount webserver admins.
I went to the website and found myself asking. What was the server load?
--Toq
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Your critique seems way overcritical michael, and lacking in some very basic common sense. If vulcans and humans didn't get along in Kirks time, or any other captians time, why would they get along when their relationship was just beginning? That would have been an absolutely unforgivable mistake. What you are proposing is similar to saying "Why don't buffy and the vampires get along, this whole fighting thing is getting old". Vulcans and Humans arguing over logic is part of the way thing ARE in the Star Trek universe. If you don't like it maybe you aren't as big a fan of the series as you claim. Secondly regarding the "soft porn", I too was kinda taken by surprise by it, but should we have been? Has anyone seen the original series recently. It comes on after Quantum Leap, and I swear every time I leave the TV on after QL and go into my room Kirk is making out with some half naked hottie hot hot of an alien superchick. The original series definetely didn't lack in the T&A department. As far as the rest goes, I think you need to realize what the word "fiction" in science fiction means. Overall I loved it, it looks like we are going to get a much more kirk-like captain, I liked the kinda sarcastic smartass commander, and most importantly it looks like we will actually see a show about seeking out new lifeforms, like the original series, not about what crew member is sleeping with what other crew member.
Everybody is complaining about the "Jello scene". Don't you see, this is the most brilliant part of the pilot? Perhaps you don't realize it now but soon you'll be saying to yourself, at least subconciously, "maybe if I watch a few more episodes, there will be another Jello scene..."
;-)
-Paul Komarek
...or am I the only one that expected the Klingon to run out of the corn field, look at the farmer-redneck-guy and say "What you got on my forty, dog?" Of course, I guess he doesn't make a bad Klingon. He's sure as hell big enough...
The HESH ammo would conform to the outide of the armour and blow, resulting in little damage to the exterior of the armour but somewhere on the interior a large chunk would come loose and fly around at high speed, much like "newton's cradle" the toy on your doctors desk where u whack the balls at one end and they come loose at the other.
Tank crews took a dim view to chunks of their armour shredding through the interior of the tank.
HESH ammo meant there was little point in just making solid plate armour thicker.
The Russian response was reactive armour which worked fine, but was VERY expesive to maintain properly, and dangerous when dealing with anything other than another Main Battle Tank.
The allied response was laminated armour, where the different layers of composite absorbed the momentum imparted by HESH.
Both approaches proved effective but laminate is easier to maintain and looks cooler, so thats the way they went.
But if you had an older tank (and many do) then you wouldn't say no to a strap-on reactive shell if you were up against people using either HESH, or many of the other fancy shells & missiles out there these days.
BTW the shell with the stick on the front was IIRC called "Probe" ammunition.
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So aside from the acting which might get better and the Vulcans vs. Humans thing which looks like they intend to resolve - after all we become bosom buddies later on - I found the plot behind the episode just the same old crap.
That temporal chamber reminds me too much of the worm hole and the new super aliens even have the ability to shape change. Sounds to me like they are trying to ressurect the DS9 plot. Toss in some Vulcan/Human problems, evil genetic engineering, a few Klingons and you've suddenly got something fresh.
I personally would have thought just exploring the galaxy for the first time and encountering so many new and possibly hostile aliens would have been enough.
In fact, since TOS represents a lot of the Cold War and NG feels like after the fall of the Berlin Wall, why not model this series on the events from the turn of the century (18th-19th) to early WWII. I would think those years contain a wealth of plot ideas.
Anyways, it's Star Trek, it'll take them a bit to find their footing.
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Semi-officially the explanation is "better makeup effects". I think we should just leave it at that instead of trying to speculate on ridiculous plot threads. The DS9 episode should really be considered nothing more than a joke (the whole episode was really just a fun little inside joke on the inconsistencies between the new shows and TOS).
This IS off topic, but ON topic.
/.ers don't even get UPN - we have to wait for OTHER networks to pick the show up and show it! Please keep that in mind for when you put up stuff about, oh, let's pick an example here - the Lord of the Rings movie. Not everyone is able to see it first-day-first-showtime... Check the poll - a lot of us have work. And that doesn't mean we all work from 9 to 5, either.
I was looking forward to watching this show, I really was. I thought "Hey, maybe this'll be better than Voyager!"
But what do I get when I do my post-work-shift slashdot load? Right at the top of the page, semi-spoilers. Now I know what to expect in the first episode! Geeze. I work evenings, see... so I don't get to watch these things until they have aired a few times on reruns, when I can fire up the ole VCR... but the main thing is, I don't get UPN. From the comments I've read, some people are complaining that they're on the west coast, that they haven't even had the chance to watch it - but some
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Is it just me, or did the establishing shot of futuristic downtown new york have one of the WTC towers still standing, but the other one missing?
It was a better premiere episode than I expected. I mean, there's only *so much* you can do when you assemble a bunch of actors in an ensemble show like the ST series' and make them act before they fit with each other and their characters. No ST series has ever had a real all-encompassing central character--you have the captain as the "hub" but all the other characters are just as important to the feel of the series. That's something that always set ST apart from most other TV shows--that it's a true ensemble production.
;-)
The same is true of the writers. The writers have to know the characters and know how the actors fit into their characters' shoes (or bodysuits, in the case of 7 and the Vulcan chick...hehe...). This means by definition that both the writing and the acting in the first season of a ST series are not going to be up to par. It takes time for the actors, the characters, and the writers to all "mesh" well.
That's why I was pleasantly surprised by the passable story and acting. It's better than the first few episodes of any other ST series. It's promising.
I especially like hearkening back to the old TOS rough-and-tumble attitudes. That's something a lot of people forget--that Roddenberry set out to write a "Wagon Train to the Stars," a sort of Western set in deep space. In that respect shows like Babylon 5 and even Andromeda (yuck--sorry, but--yuck) and of course Farscape have been far closer to the concept of TOS than any of the newer ST series have been. So despite the bitching thus far, I think Roddenberry would have been very happy with this episode and with the potential of this series.
Not that there's anything wrong with the world of TNG and DS9 and even Voyager (80% of the episodes were "good enough" in the last 2 seasons, so wuite yer bitching)--as a geek I love the technobabble and the idea of having such an advanced technological framework. I love the wormholes and tachyon beams and especialy the episodes involving quantum mechanics. But there's also nothing wrong with returning to ST's shoot-from-the-hip roots. Especially since it got to a point where many average folks couldn't watch ST--my grandmother for instance was a smart woman, but she never understood half of the technical stuff they were saying and so after loyally watching TOS and then TNG for 30 years she gave up. This is a chance to recapture those people.
That said, I agree with what so many have said--the opening music has to go. What the FUCK were they thinking? I didn't know whether to laugh or scream. What they should have done and what they can still do is have Scott Bakula read off the a variation of the old standard, "Space, the final frontier..." They could reasonably inster a few anachronisms, like calling it the "spaceship Enterprise" instead of the "starship Enterprise" and such. Because, that opening music alone is enough to alienate most or the current ST fanbase, who'll view it as a sign that the show is catering to a certain uneducated demographic alone.
And finally, as for the tits--why complain? As long as the stories are good, the tits are just a bonus. How can any man woman or child with a pulse complain? I mean, did you SEE those things in the rubdown scene? Those nipples were like two stiff warp nacelles, boldly jutting out where every man would love to go...
Now excuse me while I go jerk off to the thought of a borgalicious lesbian encounter between 7 of 9 and that Vulcan chick. Mmmm, now *where* did she just put that tricorder???
Chasing Amy
(We all chase Amy...)
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws"-Tacitus
I doubt Vulcans are concerned about how Humans spell on the Internet.
Apparently they don't like the way Humans smell in close quarters.
/kmc
None of the writing from any subsequent series has come close to the quality of writing on the first season of TOS. In fact with TOS it was opposite, the writing and plotlines degraded in quality each season and reached it's low point in season 3 (the final season).
Trek seems to be de-evolving into soft porn. From 7of9, we all know what the whole point of her character was, now to this. It doesn't really fit into the series about exploration and discovery.
I dunno... that scene made me think that the only space Tucker will be interested in discovering and exploring is the space between T'Pol's legs.
As established from TOS and TNG, the Klingons were a primative race at the time of contact with Earth. They were at the level of 13th century Japanese or Chinese in terms of technology.The original story is that the young federation made the mistake of giving the Klingons advance technology. The Klingons then took their tribal rivalry to the stars against the federation because of some misunderstanding. Thus the prime directive was born. In this first Enterprise episode, the Klingon had an advance interstellar empire with stealth ships? I think most geeks will agree that the Klingons are blend of acient Japanese culture and Islamic beliefs. Given their war like culture, the Klingons can't even put a bicycle together nevermind be able to develope warpdrive before the humans. It's like expecting the Talabans of Afganistan to develope controlled fusion and virtual reality before the United States. In this new universe, why will the federation and the Klingon be at war by Kirk's time?
I know that at least one Klingonese-English dictionary has been published. Has anyone translated the comments from Kraang (or Klaang), or whatever his name was? Especially the parts the linguist refused to translate.
And was it just me, or did this dialect sound noticeably different from waht gets used later (previously, whatever)?
...is the little known fact that Capitain Kirk, among his fellow boy-sex lovers also known as Capitain Jerk-off, is a porn-man. That's right, a porn man. How can I state such a thing? Well just look at how he, in each and every one of that SF TV-series, ScarTrack, walks around, softening, yes - mind you, softening every reasonably attractive woman in his path in his own very pornographic manner. And, I can assure you, that when he is not engaged in such perverted activities, he is either laying naked in his own cabin, spreading his legs and softening his very own reproductive organs, or is having boy-sex with his perverse collegues Mr. Spank and Dr. Boner McToy-Boy.
Yeah, after he rescued the Klingon, and was wondering around the base I kept expecting this scene:
"Al, why haven't I leaped yet? Ziggy said I was here to save that Klingon guy, right?"
"Hmm... Ziggy says there's now a 73% chance that you need to set up a nemesis for future episodes first.... Or maybe you're supposed to do that Vulcan chick. It's a little hazy. (Do you see the set on her? Yowza!)"
Would be "Good Vibrations" by the Beach Boys. Everybody knows and has heard that tune, I think.
For those of you who are complaining or providing somewhat negative comments on the special FX & the look and 'feel' of things, I have a simple comment myself:
In interviews before the show was even scheduled to air (aka months ago) roughly half the main actors and a few behind the scenes people were interviewed concerning various parts of the show and series. Their comments concerning the SFX and such can be summed up as follows:
The sfx and look seem to be better than TOS simply because they're using tech from the year 2000, not 1969, when filiming and editing and such. They're trying to keep the look and feel as simple and non-tech as they can get, but at the same time they want it to be visually appealing. So, no sham-icky models floating in front of a piece of black cardboard with holes in it and such. This is just the way the movie and tv industry is. I don't fault them at all for doing it either. I missed the first 40 minutes of the show due to a tuning glitch on behalf of my DVR (I'll watch the rebroadcast on Saturday), but I can say that I'm happy with what they have done for the series premiere. We all got to take some quick looks at a lot of stuff that's new to us, and I figure they'll expand on it all a whole bunch of it as time goes by since Trekkers are more-or-less geekish or geek-like by default. I liked it overall, but I'm reserving full judgement until I see 8 or 10 episodes. If it holds my interest for that long, then I can at least make an informed decision and more than likely say that I enjoy it enough to continue to watch however flawed the show, timeline, or sfx may be. If it doesn't, well then I'll know for sure to wait the generic 2 seasons for it to start getting good. Either way, don't judge a show buy it's initial episode, but do give it a little time to flesh out.
Things you can say to your dog that you can't say to a girl: "How about a nice bone?"
Geez, none of the characters have any kind of personality. Besides Scott Bakula(I guess since we know him already maybe), everyone seems like everyone else and they blend in and don't really stand out. It's like a show with Kirk and just bunch of ensigns on the ship or something.
I'd have to say very bad casting indeed.
Now, that said, so far they are failing. They brought back the cheesy theme song from the ToS, with a vengeance. They stuck with the "the away team consists of all the senior crew members" protocol. They kept playing the "hick humans versus frigid vulcans" theme that has been overdone. They brough time travel, or whatever the hell that was, into the series in the PILOT - which means that you can kiss interesting plot lines goodbye - it's deux ex machina from now on. And, they played their trump card - soft core porn - way too early, which means the fans have nothing to look forward to
IMHO, the few things that they did right - weak ship, modular space stations, good CGI, soft core porn (wait... did I count that one already ?) - do not outweigh the things they missed (so far).
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...and ds9 had leela...
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. --Ben Franklin
That split infinitive was completely acceptable. A few anal grammarians decided that infinitives were something to never split, just because you can't do it in Latin (where an infinitive is ONE WORD!). It doesn't make things harder to comfortably understand! Why should it be "illegal" in English?
..." rather than "let us boldly go ..." (which IMO is unfortunate as it deemphasizes the Boldly relative to the Go). I feel certain that David Foster Wallace mentioned this specific instance of infinitive splitting in his excellent April 2001 article in Harpers Magazine "Tense Present" which everyone who is marginally interested in such things should read, but I, for the life of me, couldn't find it.
They DO say "let us go boldy
Trees can't go dancing
So do them a big favor
Pretend dancing stinks!
First off, scenes with any human rubbing ANYthing on ANY Vulcan's skin are totally ridiculous. Vulcans are TOUCH TELEPATHS. They are beings of calm reserve and inner discipline, and they can't tolerate being physically touched by emotional and uncontrolled beings like humans. It leads to telepathic overflow of human emotional garbage, thus Vulcans avoid ALL physical (skin to skin) contact with humans as if it were the PLAGUE. It is ungodly bad manners to shake hands with a Vulcan, or even offer to. Rubbing your hands over a Vulcan's naked body could only happen AFTER you overpowered or drugged them. Or during Pon Farr. Take your pick.
Secondly, I don't see where you get off with that crack about "prejudice, intolerance, and violence" in TOS. I *assume* you meant to say "pleasantly surprised by the extremely low level of (etc., etc., etc.)", seeing as how THAT is the only possible analogy to TOS. Devil in the Dark? The Empath? The Corbomite Maneuver? Yep, all sorts of prejudice, intolerance, and violence there. Suuuuuure. Yeah. Riiiiiiight.
-Kasreyn
Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger
Everybody hates the music - I think it sucks like all the rest of you... But, do you know what's intresting about it? It was composed by Diane Warren, who, as many of you have probaly figured out by now, has written several dozens, if not hundreds, of songs that have won her grammies and such throughout the past two decades... So, if you want to talk about low budget, here's the reason why - I mean, do you honestly believe that the woman who made Celine Dion and so many other pop female stars famous would come cheap? ;)
Well, to give my honest opinion, watching it felt like two seperate teams had written this episode, and well, it went from something that I was fascinated with (I mean, a Klingon in Oklahoma? And then getting blown away by a guy with a shotgun in the middle of a corn field? You have to admit, that was a nice 'reality'-means-'the future' touch) and I felt had an extreme amount of potential, and then slowly degenerated into the second half where the plot totally sucked, and seemed like the ST:E staff had picked up those lame writers from the Lois and Clark Show that used to aire on ABC - the writers don't seem to understand that us Star Trek fanatics actually have brains and don't need to be constantly `stimulated' by the 'farm-boy makes it big and kicks ass at the same time while knowning there's a piece of Vulcan tail in the decontamination room who we viewers just can't wait to see how he scores" (Logically scoring?) (The logistics of how to score? Bad joke)
Anyways, that's my two cents worth... Also, here where I live, for some odd reason, about the time that the decontamination scene was getting good, Charter Communications dropped the signal for about 30 seconds, so you lucky people who talk of this awesome scene of soft porn, well, I envy you... The signal was out across town - I called a firend up and had her rewind the tape she was making, and sure enough, the spot is missing there...
Brian Wasner
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Sure we are. Basically a non-visible laser (dont point at your eyes, REALLY) induces a field along its axis, along which a charge travels, paralyzing the target. Its currently functional and contructable at home/available for about $20,000 in a form factor of a ghostbusters proton pack.
We've had rail guns for more than 20 years, 10 years at the high school level. Frankly, a rail gun is much more useful as a weapon/tool than a phaser/laser and sonic qweapons are more useful as stunners.
Can some one video tape it capture it to DIVX 400kbps or something?
People outside usa wont see it for 6-36months.
Are these people so lame they cant even encode to SVCD? or even offer a smaller Divx?
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Wasn't there used to be some Egghead genetic engineered klingons on the TOS? Anyway, I hope that the writers will respect the story (unlike lucas's prequel with the techonlogical enchancements that the trilogy didn't had)... And yes... MORE TECHNOBABBLE NEEDED!!!
I was watching at a friend's house, and her parents came home at exactly the same moment they walked into the bar with the pole dancers. Bleh.
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But it seems to break from the "known" Star Trek history, as described by the other shows and movies
I believe it was on saturday night live, after being confronted by a trekkie with apparent historical inconsistensies between different episodes, that William Shatner immortalised the phrase: It's just a show, 'Get a life'
;-)
I really wasn't disappointed, though I thought I would be. In fact, I was pleasantly suprised to find that I enjoyed it immensely.
I liked all of the characters personalities, even Tuckers. The outdoor scenes were great and the fighting scenes were the best I've ever seen. The plot flowed perfectly and I liked the intermittent comedy relief throughout the show.
I'm very happy they have decided to shed the political correctness of Next Generation and Voyager shows and allow the characters to be more free in their sexuality and discussions. In this respect it is much more like the original Star Trek, with its proud captain and brave crew, and short skirts. And I'd like to thank Paramount. For this is truly the trimuph of human nature, that we are not robots without emotions or desires.
The special effects were excellent, showing that they can pull off depicting a period of time older than the original ST and still provide a glamourous performance.
I think the writers, directors, camera crews and actors are doing a fine job. And I was even sceptical of Scott Bakula, of Quantum Leap fame, but he gave a suprisingly amazing performance. I warmed to him, with his wisdom and courage in the face of cynicism and defeat, immediately.
And there is no lack of action, drama, and intrigue. This series is going to be chock full with interesting characters, species, stories and adventures. I can't wait.
I really don't see any reason to nay-say this series and I think the author of the Slashdot post just misses his politically correct Voyager, pity.
Here we have the makings of a swashbuckling captain and his daring crew that may even top the bravado of the original. May they boldy go where no man has gone before, and then some.
I'm really looking forward to more episodes. I can safely say I think this is going to be one of the best Star Trek series and I will cherish it as much as I have ST: NG and the original.
Sincerely,
Nelson Rush [palisade@users.sourceforge.net]
p.s. I forgot my password, and I'm not at home ATM to check it. No big deal really, I just hope someone gets to read this post. Anonymous Cowards usually get shuffled to the bottom of the pack, I know.
Really, I liked the pilot. It's far and away the best pilot episode of any Trek yet. Nice sort of adventure story, promising characters, setting actually seems to have lots of potential. The whole "fledgeling steps into the interstellar neighborhood thing" reminded me of the Babylon Five movie where the Earth first meets the Minbari. But I liked all that.
The thing I don't like is the ship. Its design is way too advanced -- other than the warp nacelles, it looks like a ship from the Voyager era. Worse, it's a ripoff of a design they've already used. Compare the ship from the new series with the Akira class from First Contact and Voyager (another set of views is here).
I know I'm sort of nitpicking here, but really this is terribly inconsistent with the look and feel of later shows and movies. Yes, it does look really cool, but in the overall Trek context it really doesn't work for me. Oh well, I'll get used to it I guess.
Some people like watching TV shows...on a TV. VCDs are nice for burning and watching on a VCD player. Until the day I own a 32 inch monitor and have a nice comfortable couch in my office, muthafuck divx.
How does a purely logical race justify breast implants? Do Vulcan women have odd spinal configurations that require additional ballast hanging off the front?
damnit, that man (the director/creator) couldnt stay away from temporal anomalies and plot for just one friggin episode, and now, it seems there is going to be a returning enemy based on it.
and as far as vulcans go, Tuvok had more feelings than my grandmother, and this new one seems to me like a nympho just waiting to get out, which would not be a bad thing. Mm...she has a rack to kill Janeway for...who am I kidding, Id kill Janeway for the hell of it.
For all of ya non usa people who don't like to wait for a year to see it on tv (like me).
It's being posted right now on usenet, 2 vcd's of the first episode:
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No you aren't. While /. readers and moderators are ~90% male, it's probably ~100% in this discussion thread.
If you're feeling aargh
Or you're kind of mwhahahahahaha
Could be you've met up with BAKULA.
If your crew goes moan, moan
And your guns go pssewp pssewp
Maybe you've bumped into BAKULA.
He flies through the night
In a costume that's too tight
But there's always a moral insight
BAKULA
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And what was with the Captain. Always talking slightly loud, and sounding like a cheap cowboy movie. I hope he doesnt deliver five seasons of that.
Yes, it sucked even worse than Voyager's first episode. Christ, but it was *bad*. Just some of the highlights:
- Bakula still can't act, and as a captain he's laughable in his attempts to be tough. Why in gods name didn't they pick some hungry nobody willing to bust his ass for this role?
- The communications chick was a complete loser, the stereotypical pre-Xena "I'm a screaming bitch who needs to be rescued by a big strong man" kind of girl. I thought we'd put those days behind us in SF....
- What the hell was up with Texas boy? Can you get any more wooden than that? He's even worse than Bakula.
- The doctor could actually act, but for chrissakes - interstellar LEECHES? That's what we've come to??? Roddenberry has to be turning over in his grave.
- more hackneyed Vulcan shit. On the brighter side, not only was the Vulcan one hell of a Hot Star Trek Babe(TM), but the best actor of the lot. That isn't saying much, but one can see how she might improve over time.
- the entire Vulcan lot was openly emotional, even when they denied it. For a moment I wigged and thought they were Romulans.
- the Enterprise was just plain ugly on the outside, and doubly ugly on the inside. I mean, it looked like a tramp steamer run by a bunch of lackwits. No wonder the Vulcans kept saying "um, maybe you should wait on this interstellar exploration thing". The graphics design team should be put up against a wall and shot.
- hey, guess what? At warp 4 it's only FOUR DAYS from Earth to the Klingon homeworld! Wow! Completely contradicts anything ever said on the subject in previous series, but hell - who cares? This is Star Trek, birth place of TV paradoxes!
- argh! Time travel in the pilot! Surely a sign of imminent doom if there ever was one.
- "polarized plating" - and it 'goes down', like shields. Metal that disappears! And comes back once it repolarizes! Nifty.
- the chemical composition of the gas giant just isn't possible. Chemistry 101 folks; or hell, spend a quarter, call a college astronomer, ask him what *real* gas giants are made of.
- no actual plot. Maybe one will come clear in the future, but other than 'get the Klingon dude home' the rest was confused wandering.
- the Enterprise certainly can't shoot for shit. Guess we're going to have more eps of "the Enterprise is badly outgunned by everyone they run into" or "power fails mysteriously once again" or "the computer's been possessed again".
- Berman. 'nuff said. This guy turns everything he touches to shit.
Man, I can go on and on. But I'd rather watch Farscape. At least it's internally consistent and the girls can kick as as well as, or better, than any man.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
Read your critique of the new Enterprise and think you should stop wishing for things you're never going to get because the writers are either still living in the 30's where sexual suggestions were taboo and aliens were the guys with green facepaint (that didn't even show up in B&W).
Instead, just check out Farscape (SCIFI Channel). It's got everything you've just asked for (except minor plot characters since there are only a hand full of people on the boat and a few thousand mini-machines. And DRDs don't inspire much in the way of juicy plot lines.
-ll
I am surprised at the number of people whining about the soft core angle to this show. How recently have any of you watched TOS? The costume designers took great pride and delight in reducing the amount of fabric in the fem's costumes and still cover the naughty bits. Soft core in the Star Trek series is nothing new.
I don't spend a lot of time worring about continuity, so if there were details that were out of sync with the previous history, I didn't notice 'em and couldn't give a shit.
The only thing I didn't like was the theme song. ZZZZZzzzzz...
But Geez! Soft porn?? I've seen more evocative soap commercials (never mind the bloody perfume ads). It was an uncomfortable situation for two people exposed to something on the planet. I saw nothing sexual in the scene at all. Unless one believes putting suntan lotion on at the beach is an invitation for sex. It could be, but it requires eye contact among other things that were not in the scene. And what's wrong with a Vulcan with a nice body? They can't all be skinny twirps like Spock (of course, Nimoy probably actually is an alien).
Try #startrek-central on dalnet
The theme song is Rod Stewart's "Faith of the Heart"... which probably explains why so many of you don't like it :)
This song was originally featured on the "Patch Adams" soundtrack.
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Will this show become the Soap-Opera Weepfest that Deep Space Nine is?
For a little while Deep space 9 was the best science fiction show on TV, ever. But trying to watch an episode now is fucking impossible. (even hard than watching blake 7) Has it been cancelled yet? I hate what it turned into, I don't even know if it is still in production.
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See now this is where you lame trekkies take it too damn far!
They didn't have head-ridges because they didn't think of them or couldn't afford them back in the 60's. When NG came around, they thought that maybe the klingons could be different in some interesting way. As opposed to the original show, where the evil klingons were just dusky-skinned humans. Culturally they seemed mostly the same as earth people. Pretty lame.
Ie, they had a better idea. Decided, "to hell with consistency" and implemented it. It made the later series much more interesting. That ends it. Don't try to come up with a freaking disease or something to explain their foreheads.
Hey maybe klingons are symbiants, like the trill, the head ridges are the parasite.
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The show had everything the adolescent geek male in all of us could want: A cool action hero, Captain Archer; a perky Vulcan babe science officer,Sub-Commander T'Pol; and multi-colored alien exotic dancers with twelve inch tongues. OK, the doctor reminded me too much of Neelix, yet having a cute dog is preferable to having a cute kid.
I think Vulcan females are eminently logical. They wear push up bras. I think the producers learned their lesson from Six of Nine's hooters and high heels. The gel scene and prominent display of nipples was one of the best gratuitous sexual scenes I've seen on a television show. I would have timed how long T'Pol nipples were shown, but I didn't want to miss a second of it. It's possible they were fake, but who cares.
Oh, and I agree the theme song sucked, but I can always tivo my way through it and the extra long commercial breaks.
I did like the tacit nod to the 2nd Amendment, even if it was some farmer with a plasma rifle that looked suspiciously like a silver painted over and under twelve gauge shotgun. There really is a Broken Bow, Oklahoma. It's near Idabel in southeastern Oklahoma. Most of southeastern Oklahoma is hilly and covered with trees. Western Oklahoma is more likely to be flat and covered with cornfields.
Finally, when are they going to have an episode with the famous Star Trek rock in it?
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
Perhaps it's a variation of "all your bases are ..".
bow-chicka-bow-wow
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Make it so...
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I remember this 'game' *cough* called "Runnaway City" in which all the major plot advancement came durring sex. I laughed my ass off at the parralell :)
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OK, I know this is going to sound ridiculous to anyone who doesn't have little kids... but I'm really pissed about the whole sex thing! It'd be one thing if they were subtle about it, but the way it stands, I can't let my five year old boy watch it. So how are we going to indoctrinate our young into the Star Trek culture if it's too R-rated for them to watch?
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See? That's what happens when you kids watch Star Trek (the original series) in reruns. You have no notion as to when stuff was aired. ST:TOS ran for three years and it was the last year that was the dog. Indeed, the last episode "Turnabout Intruder" which had Shatner mincing throughout the show is fairly representative of the third season. "Spock's Brain"... geez, Spock as an RC zombie. Compare that to first season gems such as "The Doomsday Machine".
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The 'trouble with tribbles' ala DS9'ed version comment by Worf 'we don't talk about it'....why is it not seen as the human conditions of mongoild-ism, dwarfism, etc la? At one time "WE" put such people in freak-shows, not now. Perhaps the 'modern Klingon' is embarassed over how such ridge-less klingons are treated?
Now why the Klingons would allow such 'non-klingons' to live has never been explained....or, what kind of treatment of fellow Klingons in the past is embarrasing.....
But it IS just fiction, for entertainment.
In the shows thus far, Vulcans have been friends of Earth, respected, and mostly liked. As Data said in ST:TNG "Vulcans are a highly respect race." The tension between Humans and Vulcans were the differences between two friends who respect each other but go about things in a very different way. Kirk and Spock were of significantly different temperaments, but they were brothers-in-arms.
In Enterprise the relationship is quite different. Vulcans consider themselves superior. Humans, while resenting it, have unfortunately allowed themselves to slip into that role for several generations. Now the Human race is emerging from adolescence into adulthood and the Vulcans are having a hard time dealing with that.
Overall, I thought that element of the story worked quite well.
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Bakula, doesn't have, the proper spacing between words, or emphasis to be JTK!
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After watching the whole thing that was all I could think of... Mix the Wonder Years touchy feely in with the wonder of Star Trek and maybe through in a dash of Seaquest DSV to make the producers happy.
Come on guys.. If you are going to make Sci-Fi... make Sci-Fi... Don't give in and try and make it a "family hour" type show.
Telcos have alot of dark fibre in the States. Most people assume that's optical fibre...but it's actually moral fibre.
Do not forget in TOS, where they visit the 'ganster planet' (a race who is good at copying what they see/find) they mention how they had human exposure before the 1st contact rules were in place. My memory is foggy as to the exact wording tho.
I had been admiring how nice looking the ship is, but now that you mention it, it might be a bit too pretty. It might have been more effective to have a spacecraft that seems ugly at first but we grow to love, like the The Millenium Falcon the Apollo LEM. That would have been more in keeping with the spirit of just getting going.
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Yes the shields can go off line ,because what they are calling shields are a combination of
Metal plating and electromatic fields so when the
electromatic field starts to break down or fail they would weaken or go offline.
As far as the vulcan emotion thing being rehased.
there are tons of people out there that are not
versed in this and this enlightens a whole new generation of viewers. besides this is prequel
meaning before others.
And by the way the vulcan is hot although I thought the rub down scene was alittle much for
a show with the history it has.
Brett
It was refreshing to hear Archer do the captain's log using a real date. I've never been a fan of the stardate thing.
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HESH has been primarily used as a combat engineering vehicle round for bunker busting and the like. Most obviously in the 165mm demolition howitzer used by the British and if I remember correctly on the M60 based engineering vehicles of the US. It was also used experimentally in a round launched from an M16 rifle. Imagine if you will a rocket propelled basketball. The problem with HESH is that if it is fired at too high a velocity, the charge will literally splatter onto the target dispersing the charge before it can detonate. This factor makes HESH less useful in high velocity guns and at long ranges (slower round, longer time of flight, less likely to hit).
The primary tank killer is still the kinetic penetrator. Usually using a discarding sabot around a small dense projectile, these rounds punch through the armour of the opposing vehicle. The key to these rounds is cross sectional density, thus tungsten is popular as well as DU (depleted uranium), the stuff that everyone was worried about in Bosnia and Iraq.
Reactive armour, by exploding, disrupts and de-focusses the gas jet of the HEAT round rendering it much less effective. It most certainly will interfere with the scabbing effect of HESH as well.
Spaced and reactive armour is used on Canadian reconnaisance vehicles. It's attached by velcro........
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Actaully, I liked it. I watch very, very little television, and I doubt if I will watch this regularly, but I thought it was pretty good considering it was on UPN, the network that makes Fox look like Church TV.
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4 days to Kronos, 4 days back. 30 million kilometers per second. That's 100c, so Kronos is a little more than one light year away. I know the Klingons can cloak a ship, but a star as well?
Vulcans have tits.
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to seeing all of the reasons for the Prime Directive and the other Starfleet rules. ;-)
Obviously, this show will probably end up showing us WHY we were constantly subjected to PD arguments in the other Trek series' (of course, they violated it alot anyway) As far as the Vulcan/human relationship, I think that they did a good job with it, it's been 100 years, humans resent the Vulcans a bit for 'holding back' humanity, so there is more tension than in the later series', or at least it was hinted at. They needed someone on the ship who had been in space before, but even at that, this ought to be interesting.
In 2001 I can walk up to a grocery store and the doors will automatically open but in 2150 a "high tech" space craft doesn't have proximity sensors?? (The Vulcan has a smoking body!)
I'm very sorry. You watched entirely too many Quantum Leap episodes.
Did you expect the rest of the A-Team to appear in Rocky III? Did you expect the cast of Cheers to appear in Star Trek III? No.
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Just state that there is still some residual relativistic effects even in warp. Have Cmdr. Tucker making a comment along these lines:
(Question: why does the person recording a log have to give the date: doesn't the log entry get its own timestamp? What, the ship's computer isn't running NTP?)
This would allow them to say that it took eighty hours to get to Khronos ship time, while having it be several weeks Earth time. That way, anytime the writers forget how really, really, amazingly, mind boggling huge space is, they can use this explaination to correct their mistake.
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it sucked. the worst part was when they were trying to figure out of the spacecraft worked. How's stupid. But maybe after a few weeks I'll like it. I remember not liking the first Voyager episodes but then I realy enjoyed them
(1) At least we don't have an intergalactic cheerleader always "feeling" something on the bridge.
(2) I didn't realize Vulcan chicks had such large....assets...in proportion to their height.
(3) To be fair to the southern engineering guy, nobody else knows what they're doing, either.
.....er I mean the grappler. Come on the show was great. It was closer to our time and quite frankly more believeable because there were things we recognized and believed in it.
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Remember, to a Vulcan, any Terran normal environment would be COLD. Personally, I find it refreshing that the show's writer's paid such meticulous attention to detail in this matter.
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For the first time since Sept. 11 I was able to site for nearly two hours and not think about the recent attacks and all the resulting nationalistic emotional vomiting.
On to the show! The sexual tension between the crew as scene in the vulcan human rubbing/argument was actually rather good. I have always though the Vulcans has stuffy sexually repressed beings. The ear rubbing bit was cool because she slapped his hand away. If I remeber TOS when Spock's Mom stroked Sarac's ear. It was done in such a way as to make the ear thing a big erogenous zone.
As for Tucker I like him. I think hes the right guy for time and we'll see his character develop as time goes one and become more dimensional.
The special effects are good but not overdone. The look and feel of all the controls on the bridge remind me of actual panel and design in airplanes and other viechicles. Not overdone with colors and only the needed to make it useful.
The bridge display was cool to have little text items floating on objects. It remded me of Lucas Arts X-Wing and other flight sim heads up diplays.
WHen I was a kid my whole family would hunker down with TV trays and watch TOS. My then future wife and I watched NG together. We attempted to do DS9 but we lost interest. Voyager as okay to start but we lost interest quickly. Now with my daughter at 11 I think we will be sitting down each wednesday to watch as a family. Considering there is only one other show that my wife and I watch (X-Files) that says something.
I have observed with these Star Trek based series that the characters tend to develop nicely as the show progresses. Even when ST:TNG, I remember people saying that Picard was a bad character for the captain, Data was too deadpan and contrived, etc. I mean, the writers appear to be just be playing out formulas they've used in the past right now, but give it time. Remember, it was almost Star Trek 90210 ;)
;)
...On the other hand....don't believe I've ever seen a Vulcan go to high beams before......
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Perhaps none of us expected those things because both movies mentioned predated the relevant TV shows, assuming you were actually referring to Kirstie Alley's appearance as Saavik in Star Trek II.
This in no way is meant to imply that I dispute your contention that the prior poster watched too much Quantum "most nonsensical ending since St. Elsewhere" Leap.
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Looks like starting October 1st at7pm TNN is going to have nearly 24/7 Star Trek Next Generation Marathon running starting at episode 1. I'd say get the VCR's spinng if you want every episode or have never seen some of them (doubtful).
Plus I believe that TNN is carried on more cable providers than UPN.
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And they didn't put the Gell Everywhere? What type of topical ointment works on only 1/2 your body..
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I'm not a regular viewer or FarScape - although i really like the show, i can never seem to remeber when it's on (SciFi isn't on my regular mad-clicker rotation). I happened to catch it on Tuesday night, and can't help but draw a comparison to what i saw (the last half hour) of Enterprise.
The whole time-shift, while an elegant if overused theme, go old pretty quickly - also "oh goody, our brand new, um retro, phase pistols have just come in. They should come in handy!"
I think the concept is a good one, but the delivery was a bit tired.
Then again, when was the last time ou saw a show on network television (does UPN count) that rocked the house on the first episode. It'll have to prove itself, but i think folks should give it half a season before really judging it.
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I kind of like the more "raw" nation of the show. No federation stuffyness.
I was a bit supprised at the shower lub job. Boy Kirk missed the virual jelly years. Interesting scene, but didnt fit. I was interesting to see a "non-emotional" vulcan with rather perky nipples. Highly illogical.
Plot was a little lame, but they can work on it.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
When did the klingon home world end up being right around the corner from earth? A three day cruse to get there? What gillians home world?
Don't foget when the Vulcan rub the goo on his back he turned to the side and was able to display a rather extended unit bulge too....not that I was looking or anything...
I agree with the writers who point out that many of the pilot episodes were of similar ilk - the actors have not had a lot of opportunity to flesh out their characters, the sets and props are still version one, and so on. I think this, like TNG, will come around and develop into one of the better ST properties.
Personnel-wise, Commander whats-his-name is the weakest of the apparently planned-for-longevity characters, but so was Commander Riker - and he grew into a brief period of acting skill before his demise into obseity and caricature.
Set/prop-wise, I would've been happier with a more 50's space-ship style. The ship they're on looks more futuristic than the original series. In one of the original episodes, wasn't there models of the previous iterations of the starship? They should have used the "oldest" of those as the model.
As an viewer of the original series during its first season broadcasts with my grandfather, I thought it was very very cool to watch this premiere with my 4-mo old son!
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You're probably right, but 100% of us aren't heterosexual! Of course, there are some mighty fine-looking cast members to suit my tastes as well! (Scott Bakula, mmmmmm)
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Hell, that didn't bother me at all. Kirk used to hook up all the time. My personal beef with voyager was that everything had become *way* too sanitized and PC. I think it's good to see some good ole sexuality in the new series. It's one of the things that gives me hope for Enterprise.
:-)
I guess it just comes down to: If you show butts and boobies, people will watch it
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I thought the opening video, the shots of space travel etc... were very kewl. Especially the mars rover blip. I recognized almost all of it. Some of the test pilot guys were not familar to me.
Let's hope this seris is still around on the 100th anniversary of flight.
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Do you see the set on her? Yowza!
You should check out October's Maxim then.... Hmmm, nice.
Can we please not bastardize everything in existence just to make a few whiners happy?
Ok, mod me down, I'm not PC
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(If it'd been Seven of Nine in Voyager, it might have even been appropriate, since she was supposed to be struggling with her human/sensual nature.)
Other than that, it was passable for a first episode.
(Ugh.....)
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Just having an ADD moment, pulling up random useless trivia (I'm no-where near as rabid a viewer of ST as some. I've missed entire seasons of some series) But weren't the Klingons in Kirk's day without the forehead ridges because they developed because of a disease sometime between Kirk and Picard? How come they're back.
Count Bakula, if you're nasty.
-- Count Spatula: The Culinary Vampire "...because my cooking sucks."
I agree that the themesong needs changing. I like the instrumentals that have been in every other series. I also questioned that soft-porn and think that the "armor plating going off line" was a little odd. But all in all I thought that it was great. I like Scott Bakula (I know that's spelled wrong, I'm terrible with that kind of thing). For me the series really captured that child-like wonderment of space travel. I liked the little "flashbacks" and I hope they do more of those and explain a little more back story. The only other think that I disliked was when the captain got shot the sound he made was a flat, emotionless "oooo", almost like a monotone. That really stood out as not fitting in (odd sentence, huh?). All and all, I hope the series has a good long run.
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I tought she was looking pretty sweet on the show but watching the Maxim photo shoot and reading some of the quotes attributed to her on that page I find her much LESS impressive now. I'd prefer to think she might have a brain between her ears but instead it seems she's into drugs. I'm not sure Maxim is doing her any favors with their article. I guess I'll have to look for it on the newstand and see if what was on the WEB was out of context. The video of her primping and having photos taken makes her look more like a street walker than a woman I could stand to be around. They ever do that with Jerry Rice?
I DO think she did a pretty good job on the show and I actually think I'll watch the series - it's a good premise. The soft p0rn was a little out of place but I'm not 12 and can deal. Some of the techno babble mighthave been a bit weak, it was hard catching much of it, but I can ignore some that and enjoy the plot. I htink doing this as a prequal is a good idea. I was interested to see how they would make this jive with the theater movie too - I'm not sure I lined up real well at all. I guess a few more flashbacks and it'll make more sense? Sure didn't see the guy's Dad as a booze swilling rebel type looking to crank up Steppenwolf!
We'll see, I'll watch it again on Saturday maybe.
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I think this show has potential. I'm definitely glad they used the idea of having a cold, logical, stern, EXTREMELY HOT woman on the show (like Voyager.) I especially like the position of that viewfinder she keeps using on the main deck... convenient height... Actually aside from looking at the Vulcan I thought the show was really interesting and I enjoyed watching, and look forward to the next episode.
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I wonder if Archer was packing a sock when he had the hole shot in his leg and was sitting in the doctor's office. ??
apparently that was just a shadow of his hand,
but even if it wasn't, could you keep it down in that situation? I doubt that I could.
If God gave us curiosity
In the episode, Picard refers to the first contact with Klingons as with the Federation making first contact(when the Klingons attained Warp drive) , and that the Fed. didn't know anything about their culture. He also says that if they had implanted spies like Riker, then first contact would've gone much smoother.
Uhhh...how did the Klingon get to earth then if they don't already have warp? How did they come to be on Rigel in numbers? Have an empire? I think there's already a break in continuity here. The TNG reference to a "first contact with Klingons newly discovering warp drive" apparently didn't happen.
Of course this could simply be "revisionist" history in action. I mean we can't even get straight goods about shit we've done in the last 50 years on our own planet...
You're using her as bait, Master!
Is there a Dutchman or Belgian in the crew?
'cause for a Dutchman T'Pol sounds like 'Tepel' what means 'Nipple' in English...
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"Is There In Truth No Beauty?" actually. I only nitpick because I thought it was "Is There No Truth In Beauty" my whole life too, until a couple months ago when I actually saw the episode. The correct title makes a bunch more sense, ne?
And Scott Bakula kicks a$$.
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If I actually could spell I'd have spelled it right in the first place.
the series has already been picked up and more than one episode created. a PILOT is a SINGLE show to test the reaction to a series before more episodes are made.
idiot.
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A) I was kind of hoping we would see the development of the phase pistols. It's like he pulled these "new weapons" out of his ass. Where did the technology come from? How was it developed and adapted for use? Why do they appear to only have two of them? B) The soft porn was a bad idea. I think it would have been a lot more entertaining if they were either sprayed (with some uncomfortably forceful jets of gas), or totally immersed in liquid, or maybe be subjected to a robotically controlled sponging off. C) The theme song was a waste of audio signal. They should have had something akin to STNG with a Bakula voice-over. D) Blalock needs to learn how to become a Vulcan - you could see the beginnings of a smile when the little dog started humping her leg. I suggest that she talk to Leonard Nimoy, or the guy that played Tuvoc on Voyager. Hell, even Kirstie Ally was a better Vulcan in the Wrath of Khan, and she only had one shot at it. E) Putting the log on hold to talk to yourself or your dog is a little bizarre, and an unneccessary quirk in the show.
Okay, it was a surprise when I heard the kind of Mellencamp-esque twang... but you know, I think it wouldn't have worked nearly as well without the images during the opening credits and the words to it. This is probably gonna be flamed, but I think the theme music/opening titles was really well done and added a nice falvor to the show. Sure, it wasn't a monster orchestral piece, but it worked. It really did make me think of things like The Right Stuff, and From The Earth To The Moon, and Apollo 13. And that seems to be what this whole new series is all about.
"I am an Adept of Tantric VAX."
What - you didn't consider Nurse Chapel or that red-shirted blonde chick with the mini and the pony tail to be hot? It would have been nice if the green-skinned lap dancer stayed for a few epis...
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I still want to find out how we move from these strange beginnings, 100 yrs after first contact, to later images of this fictional world. The writers have a great continuity issue to address.
It's very good... wow Star Trek characters with Emotions and Personalities. The theme music HAS TO GO but thank god it doesn't have us boldly...going...anywhere.
:-))
It does need to get past the "Aren't those pesky Vulcans terrible, and aren't humans wonderful?" stuff. It got old in the first few minutes.
(Oh, and Armour plating fails if it's blown off...
No no no ... the commander. Mmmmm.
Well, lessee...on the upside, the show's look-n-feel is well done, and so far they haven't fscked with continuity too much (although if they screw with TOS continuity I won't be too upset, since much of TOS was self-contradictory and just dumb). The characters are a bit one-note right now, but they did give some room for development. The "space boomer" guy has some potential, as does the vulcan hottie. Dr. Phlox is interesting, although sort of weird. And for the first time in a very long time on trek we don't have a character who perpetually has to deal with trying to become human (Spock, Data, HoloDoc...).
Cochrane unsplit the infinitive. That was surprising. Just having James Cromwell cameo was surprising.
The theme song has got to go. I believe I can fly...
Count Bakula needs to settle into his role. He seemed a bit wooden, in the same way that most of the former soap stars on B5 did in the first two seasons, or John Ritter did for the entire run of "Hooperman."
The "lather up" scene was just gratuitous. But then again, this *is* UPN.
So far - slightly better than "Encounter at Farpoint" (something actually *happened* in this show - E@F didn't do more than introduce Q). Better than "Caretaker" (breaking new ground in the use of the "reset button" ending. "The ship is now repaired..."). Not as cool as Emmisary, IMHO.
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Who the heck wants to jump a pile of coat hangers anyway? Gimme' just a little bit of weight please! Who the heck wants these women who are so thin you could tie a string to that thing they call a bra and fly them like a kite?!
:-)
Having said that this one didn't look like her ribs were sticking out as badly as some others. Giver her a Big Mac or two and she might pass
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Also, I don't know if I was the only one who caught this, but when Capn' Scott's father was giving his speech, about Seeking out new life and new civilizations, he corrected Kirk's gramatical error from the orignal series...'to boldly go' is a dangling participle. It was spoken properly in the speech 'to go boldly'
Shatner would probably disagree. Nichelle Nichols and Jimmy Doohan would probably agree that he would disagree.
Miko O'Sullivan
Kinda funny how Slashdot readers consider themselves to have better taste than the average person because they use Linux over Windows. But then they have to go and ruin it by promoting Star Trek.
...who tries to write a new Star Trak series. It must be difficult to cater to the whiniest, nit-pickiest, most scrupulous bunch of critics in the known universe. Of course, I am affectionately referring to the Trekkies.
I thought it was a very good pilot. Sure, it is hard to not think of Bacula as Mr. Quantum Leap. After all, I'd wager a good number Trekkies once viewed that show as well. Ok ok, the soft porn was gratuitous, but I like to watch that sort of thing (at least while my wife is away at some Tupperware party). Plus, just imagine what those chicks could do with their tongues! Yikes.
I especially appreciated the rustic feel of the ship. I think the producers did a fine job in creating a vessel that fits into the expected technological evolution of the Enterprise. I also liked how Bacula was so gruff. He almost reminded me of the old Kirk, sporting an attitude at every chance.
Anyway, be nice guys, I don't recall the Voyager pilot being such a masterpiece. In fact, I remember thinking it a setup for a real snoozer, but it turned out ok.
As for the soft porn, the original show wasn't exactly lacking that either. What straight male over thirty hasn't had fond thoughts of the green chick in The Menagerie? That was racy stuff back then. The difference is that Menagerie and the rest of the original series had some class. They didn't just say "OK, how are we gonna get them naked? How about a disinfectant scene where they 'have' to rub each other down?"
Enterprise seems to have recaptured the spirit of the original show, if not the intelligence and class.
Miko O'Sullivan
Hey, back off, man. The show wasn't half bad. You have to give it for the ernest try on the part of the writers to actually give a character more than one dimension. For crying out loud, look at Deep sleep nine or Voyager- any one of the cast could be replaced with cardboard standies an no-one would know!
I just love the fact that when thinds break they don't just fix it with a new word!
Perhaps the best thing is that the crew exhibits a bit of wonder and awe because they actually haven't been there before!
I realize Scott bakula is no Shatner, but I can do with the saccriney-sweet tast of the stand-in.
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not much tho D: i like andromeda, the andromeda chick is hot too, but shes starting to become a real bitch. i wish the would show the blond less, and the purple and andromeda girl more i only watch tv for the leg, i mean what kinna storyline are you gonna get from TV! cept for the simpsons. but that was HBO neways.
Why not use Babylon 5 as an example of good acting? With the exceptions of Picard and Spock, there's never been a character on any Star Trek "franchise" that was half as interesting as G'Kar, Londo, Sheridan, Ivanova, Delenn, or Garibaldi.
The minor characters were great too. Lennier could get more across with one look than the typical Trek character could with an entire scene of their hand-wringing monologues. Even the recurring guest characters on B5 were far beyond the regulars on a Trek show. Who could forget Lord Reefa or Mr. Morden or the Emperor Cartagia?
Sinclair was wooden in a cheesy fashion, but it seemed to work for him, the same way Kirk's cheesiness ultimately made for a more interesting character. The only actor on B5 that I found really bad was the the red-headed telepath. Can't remember he name off-hand. Lyta, maybe? Zack was pretty bad too, but still likable.
Also, how the hell can they not have shields, when shields are basically the same technology as the warp drive and the anti-gravity system. I guess maybe they haven't encountered hostile forces yet, but then why would they have weapons? Very odd.
Now, it's not going to impact my enjoyment of the show, which, for a ST pilot, was quite good. But, as someone who spent a lot of hours in high school being very interested in the technical aspects of the series, this is just annoying.
did anyone else notice that most ambient noise,
sound effects, and background music were set to
about the same level as the dialogue?
I found at least half of the dialogue to be
incomprehensible and drowned out!!
I am hoping this is a provider glitch and just
my market suffered... otherwise they really need
to reprioritize.
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God.
I was really enjoying the show until they got to the point where the Earthlings had no clue what "Rigel" meant, and had to ask the Vulcan, and then needed the Vulcan's star charts to get there. You'd think starfleet officers would be a little more familiar with astronomy.
Actually, I was hoping for Robert Guillaume to show up on DS9; even if it was only a cameo.
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(What I could do with those full, sensual lips...)
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I think you are thinking of Futurama... DS9 had Dax and Kira.
Enigma
Maybe we can just ignore most of the events that supposedly took place according to TOS and TNG. This could possibly be the alternate universe that appeared in DS9. Then we can stop overanalyzing fictional history and try to enjoy it for entertainment value.
That theme song must be changed and all copies of it must be destroyed. Can someone please start a petition to get paramount to change it?
Technoli
That timeline is clearly violated when they launch the Enterprise and play a 30 year old tape of a now elderly Cochran (played by James Cromwell of First Contact) made at the inauguration of the Warp4 facility.
In fact just about any inconsistencies with previously established timelines can be written off as due to the influence of the TNG crew & the Borg when they went back in time in First Contact.
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Man, why is everyone complaining about evertything on the show ?
You all sound like 5 year olds!
Take it from the point of view of having watched 4 years of crappy voyager. This one was much better than 90% of the STV episodes
Having said that, i think the show was great !
I had my doubts about Scott Bacula beign the captain but it was able to pull it off quite nicelly.
When the show ended i called a friend and said 'seven of who ? ', i think the Vulcan officer did a great job as a science officer and as a TV Babe.
I liked every character in that episode.
Not so sure about the theme song tho.
Soo to all of you who didn't like the show, i sure hope you're going to do us a favor and not watch it again so that we don't have to read your 'this and that sucked' all year !
That's the problem with you guys, you will watch it just so that you can bitch and complain every week.
enuff said.
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1st never really saw the Vulcans as a domineering and kinda harsh race, reminds me of the Telon (sp) on Earth Final conflict (yuk!).
2nd Music sucks, 'nuff said.
3rd What the fuck, in Trial's and Tribulations (DS9) the conversation with Warf about the early Klingon explorers was completly ignored by this episode.
4th im just generally kinda disapointed in the show as a Star Trek, and the whole not being carried on a real network.
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Both "Woo" and "Hoo".
- Freed
"Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death, and sweet as love." -Turkish Proverb
I like the opening scenes (hate the music). The characters seem to have some depth and kick butt/take names when needed.
;)
I was amazed by the technology that allows whole cities to be moved around. The last time I drove through Broken Bow, OK all I saw was pine trees and rocks since it's located in the Oachita Mountains. Moving it NW 300 miles to the Panhandle grain fields was a neat trick.
The Vulcans seemed a bit edgy and antagonistic. They need some work, except for T'Pol who apparently has had lots of work done already
I think it can be a good show.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
Huzah!, horay, AMEN!
This sig isn't original enough, it's time to come up with something witty...
I really liked this first episode. Humans acting like humans again, instead of sanitized puritanical boring bastards that we've gotten used to in TNG and Voyager. I think Scott Bakula is a great actor and is perfect for this part. I loved seeing him tell those Vulcan assholes to piss off. It's about time someone did. The whole episode I was thinking "Yes! This is so like old-school Star Trek."
I watched most of the episodes of TOS and TNG, some Voyager (everyone knows it sucked in the beginning but got a lot better in the end), and almost no DS9. DS9 was just pathetic.
Anyway - my point is, some of you ultra trekkie people need to take a step back. Did you watch Galaxy Quest? Did you see the guys with the plans and how they were nit picking one little inconsistancy? I thought that was an exaggeration, I guess I was wrong. Drop the whole stupid-ass Klingon thing. THEY CHANGED THE MAKEUP. That's all. Warf's comment was a fucking inside joke! Get over it!
The shower scene and the hottie vulcan part was stolen directly from 7 of 9 because it was so successful in making Voyager more liked. Deal with it. Why the fuck are you complaining that they're putting hot women in our Sci-Fi shows? And who was the idiot who said this would make Roddenbury flip over in his grave? Did you WATCH the original episode? Kirk did the nasty with every hot alien chick in the universe. They just couldn't show more back then because the censors were stricter.
Personally, I think a little sexual/romantic tension is a GOOD thing. It gives the show dimension and a more realistic feel.
This was the best pilot for a Star Trek show ever, and you're talking like it's total trash. You know it's not, so stop finding excuses to trash it and watch it or don't watch it.
If you like Star Trek, you'll watch it and like it. If you don't, you won't. We all knew which camp we were in before we even saw the opening credits.
Now, about the theme music.... was I deaf during that part? I totally don't remember the singing at all, but I recognize some of the images. Wierd. Anyway, the singing I heard off the version linked to online was terrible, and I agree that it should be thrown out for some old-school orchestra music.
-Thaniel
you want to see my dangling participle?
It's Troi, not Troy.
Cheers == Star Trek II
... You won't give me the Genesis device? Okey-doke!
Taxi == Star Trek III
So Kirk
The party's over
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to sit over in the corner with my copies of _Strangers From the Sky_, _Final Frontier_, and _The Final Reflection_ and weep until the hurt goes away.
its got to go! pleeeze, give me the dark emptiness of space accented with the colourful dancing cosmic goodies and Picards stentorious voice! Jean-Luc we need thee.
In response to armour going offline. It helps to think back to the 80's and Knight Rider.
I think everyone can except that in the future armour coud be polarized and kept together in a quasi-magnetic kinda way right?
Well...If you remember the golieth episodes (the Mac Truck that kicked KITTS ass)they said that KITTS armour used electricity to keep it molecularly bonded together. While that is lame as a tachyon beam, it is an explination.
>what the hell did you call good ole Seven-Of-Nine then?
I must have missed 2-of-38's shower scene...
-l
yeah!
I thought the Scorpions broke up.
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
"Warrior race" has a lot more play to it than "commie bastards." Particularly after glastnost =)
Bravo on the makeup comment. People get too involved trying to explain away real-world limitations that they forget to just enjoy the content. They seem to lose the message in the technology (now that sounds slightly familiar...)
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
Max V.
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Yes, it is true. But I have to say that I am also a fan of the original series. Frankly, I say many elements that I could see as predecessors to that series (Like it should)without the Kirk-Speak. I thought is was a good link between the culture of today, and what Gene envisioned aboard NCC-1701. I do, however have to admit, that I'm not to sure about the theme song either. On another note: I liked the soft porn scene... But then, I'm a perv.
This is just what Trek needed---a ship named Enterprise, a bold captain and no reservations about whoopin' ass. (They do need to ditch the theme music, though.)
... or on Voyager. (Neelix)
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what's with the letterboxing? i found it rather anoying. they're probably geting a big pay off by sony (or whoever make those things) so everyone will want to go out any get one of those wide screen tv in the commercials recently. anyway didn't like the episode maybe it'll get better down the road. sorry if this post doesn't make any sense i'm very tired...
Fusions were created genetically when the Klingons encountered a race, by fusing Imperial with the encountered race's DNA. Those Fusions could then be used in all contacts (providing obfuscation as to who the real Klingons were) and as spies within the alien race.
Wonder if I could still find that box up in the closet? Hmm...
Don't slam the soft porn! That Vulcan is hot ;)
;)
Of course, they could go for a 'Queer as Folk' slant and open up men's and women's decontamination chambers. The man-man action isn't my speed, but imagine the hot Vulcan-Human female scenes! Yowza!
(And yes, I posted without the +1 bonus
>That's something a lot of people forget--that
>Roddenberry set out to write a "Wagon Train to
>the Stars," a sort of Western set in deep space.
That was not his intention; he had to do it that
way in order to sell the show to the TV-company.
He was too far ahead of time for them, so he had
to sell his soul. Or sth...
My girlfriend asked me about that once, when the DS9 Tribble episode was on - I made up an answer on the spot - at the tome of TOS, the Klingon in control of the council was a Xenophobe, and had all Klingons serving in interstellar ships surgically altered to hide the true nature of the Knilgon race, or something like that. I thought that would be a good idea. Maybe I should send that to Paramount.
Later the guy invented a conduit.
Hedley
Don't forget that Pulaski was one of those mini-skirt women on TOS. So shudder away, but dick-in-hand did apply at one time.
I'm an old TOS head, for sure, and think this new series reminds me of the that. The PC BS in TNG, DS9, and VOY drove me nuts -- not that there weren't good episodes in those series (especially TNG).
Its off to a good start in my view. I just hope the producers don't buckle and start handing out geek driven overly-techno-babble-laden garbage. If they continue to write this like its literature, and use situations and characters as metaphores with which to explore the human condition, they'll do well.
I thought the acting was far better than any of the other pilots, and the editing and so forth was too. It was well paced, and the sound quality was fine (at least on my TV). The cheesy looping that ruined the sound quality of TNG, DS9, and VOY was pleasantly absent. And there was no "whispering for dramatic effect!" Yeah!
Anyway, I liked it.
rgr
Will need a few more show to be sure, but what i do know now is Bakula NEEDS TO WEAR PANTS WHEN MAKING LOGS.
If only Bill Gates had a nickel for every time a Microsoft program crashed.... oh wait
Interesting idea.
... emulating the appearance of those who had bested them by a minority through plastic surgery or genetic manipulation. The majority of klingons would consider this a perversion of the highest order, but if that minority had been in a position of political power or influence that would explain their frequent contact with the federation during Kirk's tenure, only to be eradicated once more traditional klingons seized back control of the council at some later date.
Perhaps it was a social/religious reaction to losing a war with humans
This would be similar to a religious group of Kzin (Ringworld, Ringworld Engineers, Throne of Ringworld, et al, by Larry Niven) who believed that humans were favored by the Gods, and so cloaked themselves in the skin of dead humans in an effort to decieve the Gods long enough to win a war and conquer earth. Said religion was of course ruthlessly suppressed by the establishment, but that didn't prevent some highly placed Kzin from practicing it and/or believing it at some deep level (e.g. Speaker-to-Animals, later Chmee).
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Oh yes they do indeed grow corn in Okieland especially in southeast OK near Broken Bow.... just not in the massive quantities that you'd be more accustomed to seeing in the midwest states like Iowa. Oklahoma is, however, much more known for wheat farms, not corn.
Did you expect the rest of the A-Team to appear in Rocky III? Did you expect the cast of Cheers to appear in Star Trek III? No.
Actually, every time Barklay showed up, I couldn't shake the image of him running around in the holodeck yelling "Neeeewww trashbag!" But then, I freely admit that I watched way too much of the A-Team as a child.
Remember how bad the forst year of STNG DS9 and Voyager were ? realy i think they did ok all thinks consitered . Yes it was heavy handed , yes there was cheese , but it is a good sign that they have some commic relefe in there. it's something that the others could have used.
A little formulaic perhaps, but it could be a case of "dance with the one that brought you"
I'll be happy to give it a chance.
Just like at work when some incompetent is sacked, and then claims racism or other discrimination, I think it is important then to say, "Yes, we do indeed discriminate here... against incomptetence!" Then point out that if you create a multiple standard that it basically proves correct the statements that non white males are inferior thus requiring lower standards.
Does Bakula have anything in his contract about "no blue backlight special effects permitted?"
...are total nerds with no life.
Geez...what inspires you to 'know' so much about star trek time lines? It's ENTERTAINMENT. Get over it. How many of those Star Trek books you are so into were written by Gene anyway? That's right. Now shut up and go pester somebody else with your vast, superior trekkie knowledge, nerdboy.
I'll mod myself: -1 rude, anti-nerd
think back... WAAAAAAY back...
T'Pol, the most decorated Vulcan of all time. T'Pol, who helped her (son? relation of some sort) Sarek become an Ambassador to Earth, where he met and married a human, to the chagrine of his Vulcan brethren, who later gave birth to a son they named Spock.
T'Pol is the head of Spock's family. Something tells me that Enterprise is going to be showing ALOT of backstory.
And I liked the opening sequence visuals. Showing all the REAL Enterprise ships, and the timeline of human exploration was quite nice.
~Donald
~Donald / Just RTFM
Is it just me or is there a simliarity between the "Enterprise" logo/position in the opening credits and that of "Earth: Final Conflict" -- the whole bottom-crescent-Earth shtick. I guess lots of shows have used it, but these two particular shows share that special Roddenberry [sp?] connection.
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Anyone see this old episode of Saturday Night Live in which Bill Murray plays some cheesy nightclub-type singer in at a ski resort? He sings the Star Wars theme. I almost pissed myself the first time I heard it. I think it was a 1978 episode.
Good: Looked better than any other Trek, sometimes better than Farscape. The letterboxing was a nice touch. Probably the second best Trek pilot after DS9. The exposition didn't feel as awkward as I expected. The "unstuck in time" chamber is intriguing. The "nasty primitive aliens uplifted by their descendants" concept. The presence of a linguist, I don't know why but I like that.
;) The flashbacks were awkward and seemed like non-sequiturs most of the time. Also, while the Klingons were handled fairly well overall, "I HEAR DOOR!" Did you? Most of all, the glowing jello room, especially the camera work. I predict that despite the apparent 3M:1F ratio among the crew, no matter how many years the show runs, there will always be just enough female red shirts along on away missions that we'll never, ever, ever see two guys in there. Berman would feel too threatened. Oh yeah, and their genitalia are going to rot off now because they forgot to gently and sensuously rub jello into them under the backroomesque black lights.
Bad: The THEME SONG. EWWWWW. What is this, Pax? The run of the mill plot. The now-mandatory forced tension between crewmembers. The now-mandatory treknobabble (bad in this case for even treknobabble.) I liked the part about the hull going offline. Sounds like Braga and Berman did s/shields/hull/g on some rejected Voyager battle script. Also, oh no, we're fighting the Dominion again only this time they're kinda scaly.
Ugly: They need some new makeup artists to populate the "lots of different aliens" scenes, or maybe they should use Muppets
Overall, not bad but I'm not sorry West Wing is coming back next Wednesday. Hope the new B5 pilot in January is a little more inspiring.
The theme for Enterprise is Rod Stewart's "Faith of the Heart." Rod Stewart, for those who don't know, is a sucessful pop singer. He got his start in the 70's, if I'm not mistaken, which puts him in the generation of those who grew up watching TOS. If they wanted to draw old viewers back in, it makes sense. They were, after all, the ones who propelled him to stardom.
I didn't mind it much. I kind of liked it (but then I kind of like Rod Stewart). The old formula wasn't working, so they're trying something new. Frankly, I think everyone just wants to shout how awful the thing is. I remember people saying how bad DS9 was when it started, how Avery Brooks and Nana Visitor couldn't act... and now it's hailed as being great.
Just because Voyager sucked most of its run doesn't mean Enterprise will. Give it more than one ep before you condemn and remember that these people have to film something the length of a feature film in a matter of weeks as opposed to months. Give them some credit.
Was anybody else sad when DRD Pike died? I was. It was a great homage to Trek (which, along with "Outer Limits" and "Twilight Zone" lead to recognition of SciFi as a valid form of commentary on society.) and an unlikely character to sympathize with.
Lowmag.net
At least they were still large and flipped open and squeaked when activated. Yay!
did anyone else think the doctor was taken right from galaxy quest? his way of speaking is just like the aliens in that movie, and it is REALLY annoying... and what was up with the rubbing each other down scene, i thought i was watching baywatch not star trek...
also, how did the enterprise go from such a kick ass ship in this series, to the piece of crap it was in the origonal, i understand advancements in film, but that's just outrageous
That's not a dangling participle. An example of a dangling participle is "Where are you from?" "to boldly go" is a split infinitive.
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/.? This whole website is news for nerds. I'm fucking interested to know what kinda CPU hardware that thing's supposed to have. Quantum computing? 500Thz Processors? Come on!
What the FUCK!?!?!?!
So we can't discuss the operating system the Enterprise uses on
Get rid of Bakula (Or, better, reduce his rank, give him a comrade named Zombie, and change the theme music.. Heh heh heh.. BAK-U-LAAAAA!)..
Find Bruce.
Yes, Bruce.
If anyone could make a pre-prime directive ST series work, it would be none other than Johnny "Nuke 'em" Sheridan.
"Commander, they may come back and try to finish us off." "Do we have any tactical nukes?"
"Commander, the aliens from Thirds.." "Tactical nukes?"
"John, our son refuses to clean his room." "Tactical nukes."
"Yeah, but it's the postal service." "It's either that, or Sheridan's gonna nuke us."
Yes. Moderate me down to troll. Then, go find Bruce to nuke our friendly neighborhood journalist for posting FREAKING SPOILERS RIGHT ON THE FREAKIN' ARTICLE SUMMARY!
Alfred E. Newman ?
Wasn't he the mascot for MAD Magazine ?
I hope he's OK.
It would suck otherwise. Please tell us
Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion, you must set yourself on fire.
Let's see. Several "watershed" events have been mucked with and subtly (or not so subtly) altered by time travelling Feds.
:-)
Commander Cisco in the Mid 21st had to usurp the role of a historical figure after said figure was killed defending him in a random street brawl. While he got history back on track, clearly it wasn't perfectly back on track, something Star Fleet noticed (his picture in the history books) and had some pointed questions about.
Captain Piccard and the Borg mucked with humans' first contact with vulcans, and while they were able to get out of the way (for the most part) and let history take its course once the Borg were defeated, it is likely some residue of the battle(s) would have been noticed by the vulcans' science sensors. This could well have led to vulcans being more cautious in their dealings with humans, delaying our exuberant expansion into space and perhaps preventing some of the historical mistakes in the original timeline, such as the Romulan Wars and the botched Klingon first contact (and resulting war).
Of course, the new timeline would encounter all kinds of new mistakes not present in the original history.
An interesting subject for late-night beer-soaked conversation fodder is the resiliance of the timeline, that despite historical changes (some significant) the timeline restores itself in large part. But, like any natural chaotic system, there are points where minor changes can have radical, irrevocable changes that completely alter the timeline, while other areas exhibit more stability and even major changes have relatively little long term effect on the historical outcome.
Theories might include the futility of killing hitler because social inertia would have led to the holocaust in any event (perhaps even under a different historical figure named hitler, as the last name was very common in Germany at the time), versus the idea of bumping into hitler in a cafe in Vienna years earlier, causing him to miss a fateful confrontation with a Jewish merchant that would solidified his anti-semetic attitudes and preventing an entire world war through a simple change in timing.
Extreme stability ("fate") vs. extreme instability. Of course, I think the most interesting theories of time travel involve a combination of the two, reflective of other chaotic systems known in nature where, under the right conditions and at the right time, a butterfly's wings can effect distant weather but under other conditions or times no amount of effort can have any effect on the advance of a storm. Some moments in history are as fragile as a soap bubble, while others as resiliant as bungie cord.
Of course, the advantage of such a hybrid theory of temporal mechanics (semi-chaotic temporal systems) is that it gives radical poetic license to writers of shows like star trek, and allows numerous consistency errors to correct themselves.
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9. The Vulcan hottie mentions Rigel and none of the humans have ever heard of it. Hell, I'VE heard of Rigel! It's a well-known, neighborhood star, and anyone trained as an officer on a starship should have known roughly where it was, and where to lok up the exact coordinates.
10. If the naturalistic "let's use leeches!" form of medicine is so effective, why does it never make an appearance on Trek ever again?
11. Bad and inconsistant characterization of the Vulcans. Contempt is an emotion. Bitchiness is an emotion. Sympathy is an emotion. And at no point does any Vulcan attempt to actually explain themselves logically. (note: "Logically, you dirty apes could never understand us" doesn't count) Most of the actors also did a poor job. It makes you appreciate Tim Russ a lot more.
12. I really wish the people who designed their sets had also been in charge of the CGI. The sets were nice: they looked functional, and believable, and communicated that they were on a ship. They really sold the setting. The CGI, on the other hand, could have come from any of the later treks, and didn't seem to have any personality or connection to reality. The motion was bad, and nothing looked simple and functional. See Babylon 5 for an example of CGI done right.
13. I was BORED. I was tempted to wander off and do laundry.
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
Hmm...creepy bald guys, obesessed with perfection. They have temporal manipulation technology, and fly little round spaceships that can dock together to form a cohesive whole. They also seem to have primitive nanotechnology, judging by the Klingon's message and possibly the lie detector kiss. I sure hope these fellas are being set up to somehow migrate to the delta quadrant and evolve into the Borg instead of just being unoriginal.
Guy1: "Hey, you got your pr0n in my Star Trek!"
Guy2: "Well, you got your Star Trek in my pr0n!"
Jingle: "Two great tastes that taste great together..."
Why does the ship look better than Voyager, which was built hundreds of years later? I realize that people don't want 1960's special effects, but how about a compromise? And why are they wearing Voyager-era uniforms? How about updating the old 60's style of uniforms? Well I guess it's too late for that.
When they landed on that planet to find out who the Klingon had met, why weren't they amazed and standing around slack-jawed because of all the alien cultures?
Why didn't we lose any red shirt guys? Wait a minute, where were the red shirt guys?
Why did Archer have to stay behind when he set off that mag-bomb thing? That was just a cheap plot device to put the captain in close personal danger.
Another ongoing logic vs. emotion conflict? Come on, that was already done to death with Spock, Data, and 7 of 9. Except now the logical person is hot and there's the possibility of sex? I can see they're going to drag that out forever. I sort of doubt Vulcans are a lot of fun to make love to. 7 of 9 was a much better prospect.
Even though I did like Enterprise, how about giving us something different than we've seen before on the other series? I was hoping to see more wonder and discovery instead of Enterprise jumping right away into a routine life-or-death mission ala TNG or Voyager. At least there is the promise of more action than we saw on those shows.
Anybody else notice that "Suliban" sounds like "Taliban" and the the Suliban's leadership is the "Kabal" (sp?) sounds too much like Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan. This is coincidence?
Diane Warren best known for writing songs for the likes of Whitney Houston, Michael Bolton, Toni Braxton and Even Mecha-Streisand
This theme tune is more of her usual Schtick... all written by the numbers.
Personally, I'd have liked to see Orbital write the Music, they're trek fans and great writers....
jeez, cut down on the bitching! --- the vulcan ears are not the right pointiness, too much soft porn (and that's coming from a crowd of which i'm sure 90% have the fake nudie jpeg of Aki Ross stashed somewhere in the depths of their hard drives), silly names for weapons, the Enterprise doesn't look right (who are you to judge?), the theme song sucks (compose a better one, fsckers)....
Some are bitching about the plot... pardon the cliche - but you're judging a book by it's cover..
Would you rather watch Buffy or SU2?.. come on, show some enthusiasm!
When the classic Star Trek came out, everyone shit their pants, even though the plot and the visuals left a bit more to be desired (from a modern point of view)...
Give this one a chance without ripping it apart frame by frame. I have to admit the fact that there are not that many interesting sci-fi shows on TV anymore. DS9, B5 and the like seem to revolve around silly space politics, kind of resembling our modern life.
if you don't like the show, then go back to watching your Hello Kitty vs. Power Rangers bullshit on the cartoon network.
--- sig moved for great justice.
Still can't hold candle to the original Star Trek Pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before". Shatner was young, guest stars were Sally Kellerman and Gary Lockwood. Things covered in just one hour: Man as God, Humans evolving into superior being, life in deep space, absolute power and corruption, killing a loved friend, sacrificing oneself for another.
They don't write 'em like the used to.
The guy with the southern drawl has to go. His personality is identical to the captain's, so he serves zero purpose.
The music sucks.
Did anyone else notice that Rigel is a name that we on Earth invented in real life?
They've got some work to do. Still, a lot more promising than the first episode of TNG, I think. I was encouraged by the fact that there were no snotty kids, only a cute dog who stayed out of the way.
About the Rod Stewart theme to Enterprise. Yuck! I miss the original theme. What other Sci-Fi show had bongos! BONGOS !!!
No.
No no.
You're wrong.
You can't possibly watch too much A-Team while growing up!
steve
--- rapper/producer/bachelorette party stripper
1. Cool Rock n' Rollish theme song. Enough of that classical shit. Rock n' Roll's long been our adventuring, road-tripping, coming-of-age music. That it was kind of mellow, contemplative rock seemed to really fit. The imagery during the title sequence really sets a mood, too. One of risk, accomplishment, venturing into the unknown. It fits. Very well. 2. I don't care about Trek "history." So what if Worf is going to say something hundreds of years in the future about how the Klingons changed appearance or that the war with the Klingons was due to botched first contact? I hope they don't stick to it too rigidly. I like that there isn't yet a Prime Directive (but how much do you want to make a bet that we see it before the end of the series?) I also like the fact that they didn't try to create props that would have had to look like they predated the first series. (My God, what a disaster that would have been.) I'll take this series and judge it mostly on it's own merits, thank you.
3. I can't recall hearing one computer sound like Ms. Roddenbarret. Maybe I just missed it, but I hope not.
My only nitpicky thing: Using the transporter to save major ass in the pilot. That could have waited a few episodes. But that was the only cheese moment, as far as I'm concerned.
If I had to rate it, I'd give it 4.5 out of 5. A damned good start. Good luck, folks, and let's hope it's a long, interesting voyage.
Ed R.Zahurak
You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.
Come on guys.. If you are going to make Sci-Fi... make Sci-Fi... Don't give in and try and make it a "family hour" type show.
or, if you're going to make pr0n, make pr0n. Don't give in and try to make it a Skinimax type show.
steve
--- rapper/producer/bachelorette party stripper
I beg to differ. Judging from what I know of Trek writing, the pilot contained all of the character development these characters will ever get (Vulcan goes from antagonistic to sympathetic: done. Crew goes from distrusting Vulcan to accepting her as one of the crew: done.). The actors will get more comfortable with their roles, and the writers will pick up on how to write the characters more sharply, but nothing will change.
I hope to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will.
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
"Also, I don't know if I was the only one who caught this, but when Capn' Scott's father was giving his speech, about Seeking out new life and new civilizations, he corrected Kirk's gramatical error from the orignal series...'to boldly go' is a dangling participle. It was spoken properly in the speech 'to go boldly'"
Any real links to that one?
The death of one man is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic --Joseph Stalin
...When did this happen?
What more could you ask for in a woman?
Lil Ms. Vulcan lady might get nicknamed
"lil Ms. Vulva lady"
*drool*
As for the pointy ears...
"My Ms Vulva, What nice handles you have..."
As for the other personages...
The 'medical development' is going to be GREAT!
I can just see now, mutant starfish cauterizing wounds...that was fabulous! And marsupial dung for something else...the possibilities are endless! And the clumsy, slow learning pilot dude...Hahaha bumped into 2 ships in the first episode...you KNOW this will continue...
For a NON-Trekkie(taped the show for my trekkie roommate), it was quite enjoyable and didn't seem like 2hrs at all.
Oh and the 'first klingon impression' remember..
translator lady(kind cute too!) saying "You don't want to know" to Quantum Leap boy...so it MIGHT have been a bad impression eh?
CmdrTaco, if ya wanna copy lemme know.
"Just Smile and Nod." --Huck
Finally, Star Trek doesn't suck.
We have characters with actual personality. They develop and react as real people. There's sex, thank god, even if the really hot girl will never "do it" with anyone on the ship. There's fight scenes, exciting aliens, and a human factor that has never been present before. Quite honestly, the only other Star Treak I would watch was Voyager because it had personality. I loved Voyager, especially 7 of 9 and Janeway, but seeing this new format in Enterprise makes me wish it was done this way! DS9 was atrocious, and the only reason to watch the original series is for nostalgia.
I applaud the new changes. If people were looking for ST:NG for the 3rd time they'll be dissapointed. Good. That's been done to death. Dispite some of the corny cliche's Enterprise is a great series. It's something that can compete with X-Files and Farscape ...
"Politicians find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the people."
So please post a link to pictures of him, it will definitively get a +5 score, informative, too...
It reminded me of a squid for some reason.
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You mean, apart from the "shadowy nemesis from the future?"
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> I didn't know Vulcans could look that good! ;)
what?! Don't you remember Spock's wife, T'Pring (I think that was her name) from TOS? Yikes! She makes T'Pol look like dogmeat.
Ever notice on Star Trek there is always a Primary Hottie and a Secondary (back up) hottie?
TOS
Primary-Troi
Secondary-Beverly
DS9
Primary-Dax
Secondary-Kira
Voyager
Primary-Kes (replaced by seven)
Secondary-B'Elanna
whats up with that? do they need the other in case the original cant fulfil her hottie duties?
Enterprise
Primary-T'Pol
Secondary-Hoshi
Good lord, I had managed to completely forget that episode.... But just reading that line, now all I can picture is him flying with the helium-filled trashbags over the security wall. Ghaaa.
... I'm thinking of this as an alternate timeline from the Trek continuum. The original timline, I bet, didn't have aliens from the future futzing around.
I bet the series finale will somehow bounce back to the premiere where things will fall in place normally... I bet in the original timeline there weren't aliens chasing the Klingon down to Earth... and the farmer never dusted him either. Heck... I bet in the original timeline he wasn't even involved since these aliens were unevolved nobodies.
"The more you know, the less you understand."
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I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
"muthafuck divx" what are you 12?
Ever heard of TV-out?
A lot of comments I've seen about the Vulcans question (or slam) the tension between them and the humans.
From what I understand about the ST timeline, until Spock came along, Vulcans and Terrans were traditionally segregated. Vulcans served on Vulcan ships, Terrans served on Terran ships. Spock was apparently something of a maverick amongst Vulcans for choosing to go to Starfleet Acadamy instead of a Vulcan school, and then serving on a Terran ship.
As for Vulcans getting irked by humans, well, how long can _anybody_ withstand complete irrationality? I'd wager five bucks that a Vulcan taking Terran tech support calls would go postal within a month. ^_^
Baxter
All I got to say is it sucks Vulcan only let themselves get horny 1 time in 7 years.
I remember a reference to an "Imperial" race in a Trek book, and I interpreted Imperials to be Worf-like Klingons.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I thought that the show was a nice change of pace from the previous spin-offs. I wasn't cheesy like the first episode of TNG. And if someone who had never watched a Star Trek episode/movie the vulcan thingy *was* necessary. The opening theme was also a nice change. It gives you a feeling that its taking place closer to present day. I'm sorry to here 'michael' didn't feel it was all that good. I thought it was *the* best Star Trek pilot to date. I think it will probably be a very successful show. I have but one problem. I keep expecting to see Dean Stockwell popup out of no where and start talking to Capt. Archer!
What an optimist. The aesthetics of vehicle design don't necessarily get _better_ over time. In fact, if you look at cars over the past thirty years, the overall trend has been to get blander and less-distinctive looking. Compare a '70s Grand Turino to today's Ford Taurus. Or a '79 Vette to the blobby, blah 1997 Firebird. So it makes complete sense that the chunky, cool-looking NX-01 could evolve into the smoother, more advanced-but-less-cool-looking NCC-1701.
OK - Shorten the opening -maybe half the heroes, punch up the theme.
Remember, this is the first step of what developed into Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway's world.
The tension between us and the Vulcans / Klingons, etc. is to be expected and explored here - yes, we know how Spock etc. got on with the "A" crew - this is how it got to that point.
OK - the physics is sloppy. So are the principles behind most movie chase / fight scenes and we don't stop watching them.
But ya gotta love a captain who says he'll "knock you on your ass" within the first fifteen minutes.
And has a dog on board.
Filming actual life on board a spacecraft would be so monumentally boring that they have to make shortcuts, add tension, use cliches... Keep it far enough away from Plan 9 and Madison County and I'll watch it develop.
I grew up on the foam rubber sets of TOS, saw/suffered thru all the movies, and quite honestly never gave STNG much credit until The Best of Both Worlds aired. So ya never know. Plenty of promise, and on the high end of production and watchability.
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Ok, then think of it as +5 in-firm-ative, then.
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
I tend to think about Star Trek series the same way I think about Final Fantasy games...
Everyone who's played Final Fantasy (pick one, any one) knows that the games are (A) non linear, and (B) they always throw in references to earlier games, just to tease hangers-on. Trek is the same way... none of the series really agree with each other a whole hell of a lot, just a bunch of refernces to the last series to make us laugh a bit and keep watching..
You get less headaches that way.
Diji
"I came, I saw, I WTF'd!"
No, DS9 also had a character named Leela. She was Rom's girlfriend and a dabo girl.
I think you are thinking of Futurama... DS9 had Dax and Kira.
I was actually thinking of Leta, the Bajoran 'dabbo girl' on ds9, but it somehow (probably due to futurama influence) got remembered wrong.
It's been a while since i've seen ds9
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. --Ben Franklin
good luck,
sopwath
Try these comparisons:
Minbari: A Conservative race, sceptical of the Humans expanding into the galaxy
Humans: An overly optomistic, shoot from the hip race, who tends to walk right into a trap in every episode.
A secret race wanting to incur chaos, lead by an equally dark, even mytical SHADOW.
Hey, it worked for one 5 year series, maybe it could work for two?
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2. Doesn't the heart of the Klingon Empire seem a little close to home at less than 4 days travel from the heart of Star'fleet'? At warp 4? (But then I am told the Universe is expanding. .
3. I thought humans hadn't left Earth yet. So what's with the guy with all the cargo ship experience? And WHAT cargo, exactly? I thought the Vulcans were restricting trade. No WAY would Earth not have ALL the cool tech within about 10 years if people were allowed to travel in cargo ships.
4. Leave the locker room scenes in the locker room, please. This is Trek. If I want to watch crap like that, I'll watch LEXX.
(Brr! Did I actually say that?)
5. For later ships in later years, I see no problem with non-perfect crew compliments. But for the VERY first crew representing Earth? No way. They would be super-trained, super-perfect, super-men. Just like the first crews of real astronauts. And all chosen at the last second? Yeah. Right. The audition lines of ultra trained super people would stretch WAAAY back. And where's the televised link to the ravenous public? Of course, this would make the show very boring, much like the real space program. So I forgive.
6. Why were none of the Russian space accomplishments, (First satelite. First manned orbit), included with that country music? Typical American revisionism-through-ignorance.
HOWEVER. . .
I DID like:
1. The letterboxing.
2. The planets and general effects FINALLY look right.
3. The shoot-em-up scene, while obviously Quake inspired, was nonetheless fun. One of the more engaging I've seen in film or television, in fact.
4. I LOVE the interior design of the ship. Inspired by elements of our current space craft and space stations. Bravo! Too bad the exterior has too much borrowed from ship designs which came centuries later. That's just stupid. Oh well. . .
5. None of the actors pissed me off. Wooden and uncertain, yes, but I can see the makings of a fine crew. Give them time.
6. Plenty of great raw material for future episodes. It doesn't look or feel anything like the cartoon TNG, DS9 and Voyager Trek universe. There's lots of room to grow!
7. I love the shuttle craft deployment. Looks great!
8. I like the new take on space medicine. Better health through dung ingestion!
9. The two idiot producers, (responsible for such atrocities as Generations and First Trek Episodes everywhere), rarely grace the world with their insipid writing. This means the REAL writers will soon get their teeth into this rich bed of possibilities. Plus, everybody already hates the show, which means the hot young execs will not want to be anywhere near such a potential bomb, which will allow the actual creative staff some room to do their jobs.
I have a good feeling about this show. I think in a year, Enterprise may well rank up there among the best sci-fi ever produced on TV.
Here's to hoping!
-Fantastic Lad
yeager was from west virginia. not texas.
What about this: if homosexuality is accepted as perfectly normal, then there will no longer be any social pressure for gays to get together with members of the opposite sex. No intercourse means no biological kids. No biological kids means those with the gay gene (assuming that there actually is one, but I SO do not want to get into nature vs. nurture) get bred out of the genome within a couple of generations, and the incidence of mutations is probably not going to be very high.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
So, none of us are heterosexual? 100% aren't heterosexual = 0% are heterosexual.
;-)
So there
Speaking of STIII, dont forget the one surviving klingon was Dan from 'Night Court'
I bet if you ever met a Vulcan, you'd keep questioning their decisions and trying to figure out how to work with an emotionless being too. :P
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
I've seen and watched almost every episode, from my first days in black and white as a kid.
And I have to say, minor technicalities aside, this is the best pilot in terms of creating a good series since then.
Yes, the biodecon scene was too obvious, but it was better in its entirety than the promo teasers led one to believe.
And the Vulcans being a little more emotional than they liked to admit was a very nice touch. The whole power shift between everyone is quite nice.
So long as they cut back on the transporter use, and let a few transporter accidents slip through, I can live with it.
And even though I loved Captain Proton, I'm very glad the Holodeck is gone.
Let the discovery begin!
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
He was supposed to kiss the Klingon before the leap.
This show might turn out better because of the lack of the annoying techno babbles. On the other hand they are going down the path of using babes for the target market shares.
I'm in my mid 30's and I remember that. My dad hated that character.
He spawned a tradition of lame lounge singers on SNL that continues up to this day with the high school music instructors by < mispelling> Will Farrel and Ana Gasteyer </misspelling>.
Star Wars!
It is just Star Wars!
Something something Star Wars!
da da da duh
I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
Then, of course, there's the fact that "First Contact between the Klingon Empire and the Federation took place in 2218 ("Day of the Dove" [TOS])" (from page 158 of the "Star Trek Ency.", I know, I know, I'm a geek, get over it ;-)
;-)
;-)
While you could argue the Federation does not yet exist... they could hardly have First Contact with the Klingons in 2218, when members of the Federation-to-be already met them (and even saved their empire) in 2153!
(And don't even get me started on the whole prostetic fore-head issue!!
(Oh, and in spite of all these issues... I still liked the pilot... it was a marked departure from previous ST incarnations, which was welcome in my book
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"I didn't like the vulcan. She wasn't even hot enough to fill the 7/9 spot. The just bugged me, like a really dumb spock. At least the original pointy ears respected the humans.
"
Oh please. You missed the memory flash back of the captain? Childhood with the vulcan chick. (they live 200 years...) That did not appear to be an insert of the chick into a prior memory. That was evidence of her knowing more about the captain's past than he realizes. I know she is only reflecting the feelings for captain that I formed after so many Quantum Leap episodes...
And for the mis-matched links to all the old Star Trek storylines, THERE IS A TEMPORAL COLD WAR GOING ON!!! This base of a history could change long before TOS or TNG!!!!!!!
I LIKED IT!
(and my opinion is the only one that counts)
Did you see how much data was packed away into the volume of a single nucleotide of that Klingon's DNA? That was probably my biggest 'ummmm....' moment of the entire show ...
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At first, couldn't think what it reminded me of. Then I got it: "Growing Pains" in space. Crap...
So Bakula's character admitting at the end of the episode that he needs to lose his prejudice and preconceptions if he's going to succeed gave me hope that we are going to see quite a bit of interesting evolution in the characters. And the uncertain diplomatic situation they're facing promises excellent space battles, unholy alliances, unmitigated catastrophies, and dogged perseverance resulting in triumph.
And for all the nitpickers out there, hey, at least they explained where that "to boldly go where no man has gone before" bit came from, which I thought an especially nice touch. And for all the prudes complaining about disinfectant gel scenes, hey, it's a damn sight better than listening to a superfluous ship's counselor screaming, "Pain! Terrible terrible pain!"
Mmmm, disinfectant gel. Think I'm gonna like this series.
Why the hell is there always one in every crowd who drags that out???
NO!
Roddenberry did not setup to write "Wagon Train to the Stars"! That's what he TOLD the suits at the network, because he knew they just wouldn't get it, if he told them he wanted to make a show about the human condition.
Enough already.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
So there's the scene where they have to throw the magnetic polarity switching suitcase inside of the big ship that's made out of a bunch of little ships. Well, the magnets hold on to each other because they have opposite polarities. If you switch 'em all, they'll still have opposite polarities and they'd still hold on to each other...
And the 5 sec delay was laaame...
If they'd been able to sneak it past the censors and if they'd been able to hire a real hottie to do it (aka, one who didn't need to be shot through a gauze screen), do you think that TOS would have had a rubdown scene in it as well?
Think a minute. The answer, of course, is YES!
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
About what I expected - a smidgen of PC blather, and a crew of wimpy, effeminate, whining males.
The guys who are producing this, Rick Berman & Brannon Braga, are the same pair who ruined Voyager. (Jeri Lynn Zimmermann Ryan, aka 7 of 9, ditched her husband, Jack Ryan, for Brannon Braga).
Maybe s/p 9-11-2001, the scripts will get a little more edge to them, but I imagine that the first half season's worth of episodes are already in the can.
Minor details:
There is a petition: A Plea To Alter The Intro to "Enterprise"
I said stock post Star Wars. Which means that it's the same kind of boring old theme scifi song that we've been hearing since starwars (ie not cliched spacy sounding music).
> Jerry Rice? That's Jerry Lynn Ryan you mook!
Jerry Lynn Ryan? That's Jeri Lynn Ryan, you mook!
Virg
And what the hell is with all the people complaining about 'soft porn'?! How repressed can a person get!!
Characters - looking good so far. The Vulcan can be annoying at times, but so was Troi, Seven of Nine and Janeway. Well, OK, Janeway still is, but the others grew on you as their characters evolved over time.
:)
Plot - cool beans. It's interesting to think that the show takes place in a time when the Enterprise is the only ship of its kind. There's no cavalry waiting over in the next sector that can be there in a few minutes!
Klingons - Yes, I know, they don't look like they did in TOS, and there was Worf's comment about how the Klingons 'changed'. I didn't buy that then, and I don't buy it now. Frankly, I'm glad the Klingons are presented the way they are in TNG onward - their look is much more in line with their reputation.
Ship - Again, good stuff. Just the right combination of form and function. The lack of teakwood paneling and carpets is refreshing. Can't wait to get a set of the blueprints for this one . . .
Gadgets - Well done. "These are the new 'phase pistols', Captain". Heh. The 'tricorder' seemed a little of, though. A unit with a color flatscreen, smaller than the ones in TOS? A bit of a stretch, I guess, but this is where the production crew takes some license. The tricorder in TOS, like many gadgets, was based on what people knew about technology then, and projecting it in to the future. The little TV screen on that represented technology that was pretty old hat to them then, and small, color flat screens are pretty old hat to us now.
Human/Vulcan relations - A lot of noise has been made here about how the vulcan stoicism/human emotions conflict is so done, hashed out, etc. True, to us, it is, sort of. To the Humans and Vulcans of the mid-22nd century, though, this is still new. Humans are still chomping at the bit to get out there, and are tired of being held back by the Vulcans. I think that's the whole point of having T'Pal on the show, to work out those tensions by rubbing gel all over each other's strong, ripped, bodies, smoothing the gel up, and down and . . . Um, where was I? Oh yes, tensions. Like I said, this is new to the characters during this time period, and it will be intersting to see how the Vulcans become less of our 'teachers' (and, I suppose, nervous parents) and more like our partners.
I'll be back for more, that's for sure.
I really hope that we don't have to hear the "Computer, pause recording. Yap yap yap yap yap. Computer, resume recording." shit, because man, I could NOT stop laughing. What a contrived load of bull. Look at me! I'm the captain and I can't think to myself in my own head! YAY!
:D
Granted, you *could* say he was talking to the dog, but still...
Which brings me to the dog... This is our first ST pet huh? I'm curious as to when the dog saves the ship or when it becomes a pivotal plot figure
Thats how it was able to go "offline"
(FADE IN on an office corridor at the Paramount lot. The shot resolves on a door; a sign on the door says Rick Berman, Trek God And You Know It. The camera enters the office, and we see Rick Berman and Brannon Braga seated at a table, hard at work...)
RB: I like the meta-plot, Brannon. Time-traveling aliens trying to change history and all that. Really reminds me of what Gene used to do.
BB: Gene never did anything like that, Rick.
RB: Well, it reminds me of what me and Mike Piller used to do, and that's perfectly fine for today's Trek!
(Braga begins to wander around the room a bit. Berman is in tight concentration.)
RB: Hmmm, Brannon, my sweet little Peter Principled Co-Creator...
BB: Yes, my lord and master?
RB: That time-travel stuff. Kinda reminds me of that one song by Cher.
BB: "Believe"?
RB: No, the one with the video that you love because of all the sailors in it.
BB: Oh, "If I Could Turn Back Time". I can see why it would remind you of what we're doing. That ship, and those sailors in those tight-fitting uniforms...
RB: No, Brannon, the time-travel stuff.
BB: How do you keep track of all the time things, anyway?
RB: I don't. No, I think I might have had an inspiration.
BB: Gene would be so proud.
RB: Who wrote that song, Brannon?
(Braga goes over to his computer, opens up his browser, and does a Google search.)
BB: It was someone named Diane Warren. Thank goodness that Okuda told me about Google, huh?
RB: Tell Okuda to get out another tech book pronto. We need something to sell at Christmas.
BB: Will do. So why did you want to know that?
RB: What else did she write?
BB: Why do you want to know?
RB: Well, we still need a theme song.
BB: I thought we'd just get Dennis McCarthy to knock off something at the last moment, like he did for Voyager.
RB: No. Since we have a time-travel plot, I want to pay tribute to the genius who wrote "If I Could Turn Back Time"
(Braga goes back to his Google search and starts scribbling down titles of songs.)
BB: Okay, I've got some titles here. I'm going to give them to Jeri Taylor to see if she can download these. She's not doing anything right now.
RB: Good idea. She's been a little depressed ever since Voyager wrapped. This'll keep her mind off that. (He grabs the list from Braga's hand) "Shape Of The Heart". Didn't Rod Stewart sing that?
BB: I know he sang "Hot Legs". And speaking of that, I'm going to go down to the set to make sure that yummy Texan doesn't shave his when we do the decontamination scene!
RB: You do that, Brannon...
(FADE OUT)
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I forget the name of the episode, but it was the one after "Best of Both Worlds", when Picard gets shore leave after being assimilated and de-assimilated? He just breaks down and cries to his brother about how he was resposible for the destuction of so many ships, so many lives.
I also recall the cardassian special ops episode, where Picard gets captured and tortured 1984-style. (Why does he keep getting tortured anyway? Poor bastard.) He does get pretty broken down.
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You misspelled "who think it's their right not to have my views forced down their throats" in the preceding. HTH.
I'm reminded of a quote:
sed 's/In Soviet Russia/In NSA America/g' < yakov-smirnoff-jokes.txt
The only thing worse would be if they change the theme to another piece of pseudo-Williams garbage like every other ST series in the last fifteen years. If that happens I may have to hunt you down and slap you silly. What they have now ain't great but it beats the "Drone of the French Horn Sadists" and "Boring Brass Fanfare".
And the opening sequence during the theme is much better than the standard ship...ship...ship from a different angle...ship doing a flyby...ship rolling over like a dying whale...ship...
So, how the heck can I watch this if I don't have UPN??
-Andrei
-Andrei
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The system has failed you, don't fail yourself. --Billy Bragg
oh yeah...my mistake..split infinative...thank you for the correction.
I, for one, feel that Paramount has beat Star Trek to death. However, it seems to me that they are trying a fresh new look on the same old universe. I did like the new theme music and I thought that Scott Bacula did an excelent job as the new Captain. If they can resist the urge to link this series with the others through familiar characters I think it will do all right. At least the Trek-no-babble is still there. I love how it makes no sense. :-)
p.s. They could've done without that weirdo scene in the De-Con chamber, however.
-- Thou hast strayed far from the path of the Avatar.
Then you will love this Maxim pictorial where Jolene Blalock shows us some Vulcan anatomy.
Some interesting quotes as well:
Captain Archer: Tell me something about yourself, T'Pol.
T'Pol: "I love when I sort of come to and I'm on the other side of the room, sweaty and breathing heavy, with bottles and ashtrays tipped over everywhere. I'm like, 'What just happened? Oh yeah, I got laid. Gotcha.'"
- For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat
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> The theme song has to go
agreed. The theme song is about as exciting and topical as the theme song from "The Greatest American Hero"... 'Believe it or not I'm walking on air...'
But I really liked the opening scenes. The "Right Stuff" historical walkthrough connected Star Trek with our very real present day attempts at space flight. It made me feel like this show could happen in the near future if we just tried hard enough. None of the other Star Treks have evoked that sense of hope since the original series (corny as it was). I think people forget one of the reasons the original became such a phenomina was because at that time anything seemed possible and people thought the show could be a blueprint for a better world. The other series were so far in the future and so removed from the real world they didn't have any of that feeling.
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The nipple scene almost made me forget my suprise at a Starfleet Admiral making the decision to send the Enterprise off on its mission. Call me a crazy American, but isn't that the sort of high-level, fate-of-your-nation/planet call that a President (or PM for you Europeans) is supposed to make? There was no mention at any time in the show about an Earth government besides Starfleet. So is Earth in the 22nd century run by a military dictatorship supported by their alien "friends", who give the humans protection and technology in exchange for stunting their growth?
I can see the plotlines now...flashbacks to the late-20th century where the original military-Vulcan conspiracy was formed...the mid-21st century nuclear war that was precipitated by Vulcan secret agents out to keep humanity in chains...and finally, the glorious people's revolution that overthrows the evil dictatorship and establishes the United Federation of Planets!
they are sooo fake t*ts. lame lame lame lame..
A scifi pilot is never an easy thing, even one with an established backdrop like Trek. You have to create something interesting, explain all of it's nuances and throw a plot in there to keep people's attention.
:).
In fact, I haven't liked a lot of pilots for shows I ended up liking. I thought B5's was just clunky, NG's just hokey, and DS9's just weird. But they still presented enough that I kept watching the shows and certainly in some cases (B5) the shows were phenom.
Some spoilers may follow.
If anything, I'll have to give Enterprise bonus points for putting some real thought into the show. There are lots of great details which prove that this is the pre-trek star trek mode. Not just the "phase guns", wires hanging out of walls, or little model spaceships, but in the character design, their backgrounds and interactions. Bakula or no Bakula, this Trek will succeed or fail depending on if it makes good on it's premise. Voyager failed it's premise horribly, and we saw the results.
Enterprise seems to want to make good on it's premise.
On some of the other notes -
the soft core porn scene was completely uncalled for and visibly broke from the rest of the episode. It was just fan service and if ST is going to steal some anime ideas, let's not steal that one....it works better in anime
I don't care what color of blood the Klingons had, I want to know what was said at the end of the episode. It might explain a "botched" first contact with the Klingons.
Old Tripp still has time to grow, but god he better do it fast. I kinda like him because he reminds me of a character out of an old Irwin Allen show. I kinda hate him because he reminds me of a character out of an old Irwin Allen show.
but, I seem to recall a DS9 episode where they timeshift onto the "Trouble with Tribbles" episode, and there was some question about why the Klingons looked different. Call the continuity editor!
I kept imagining that, perhaps, I'd get the great channel meld and somehow "The West Wing" and "Wolf Lake" would be morphed with "Enterprise".
Command Deck of ENTERPRISE
Captain: Has anyone seen Ruby?
Vulcan (eyes glowing): No. (wiggles ears) I think she was written out in an earlier episode.
Engineer: Polls are in. Mammet-speak required.
Teenager runs in
Teeniebooper: I'm SOOOO fed up with you Daddy. (pushes up glasses) you won't let me do ANYTHING. The drug dealer down at the Transporter just wants me So BAD!
Captain, morphs into Donner:
Donner: Go take orders in the crews mess - and stop piddling on the floor while you're at it.
Vulcan morphs into Ruby whose eyes glow as the view of the bridge does funny colored transitions.
RUBY: I'm glad you mentioned that!
RUBY transforms into wolf, piddles on DONNERS feet and flees the room in herky-jerk motions of hyper-color.
ENGINEER: Offers wise Native American saying.
Secret Service appears: Mr President you're standing in dog piddle.
POTIS: Why yes, it was forseen in Revelations (cites chapter/verse in Greek). Now get me some Klingons, I'm gonna do something....
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"The past isn't dead. It's not even past!"
Quentin Compson
... but it was profoundly contiguous with the show and various movies.
1) Cochran was a womanizing drunk, and probably about as un-PC as you can get, who was a world hero despite these character flaws because of his tremendous technical contribution to humanity (inventing warp drive) as well as his social contribution (making first contact). It was a direct quote from his speech, which reflected his character (with all of its flaws).
2) Humans had done some backsliding, as a result of various wars and conflicts. Cochran may or may not have been representative of his time 50 years hence.
3) It is entirely possible that, in 150 years, language nazi's will have been the first against the wall when the revolution came (viva la revolution!)
4) It also provides continuity to the TOS phrase "where no man has gone before"
5) As another noted, it is more accurate ("man" in the generic sense, cf mankind, human, etc.), as they are going where no humans have gone before (but where just about every second rate species in the quadrant has been going for some time).
6) Human progress tends to come in fits and starts and not be uniform across all areas. It is entirely plausible that world peace has been achieved, yet gender neutrality in language (and perhaps even in custom) hasn't yet fully occurred for any number of reasons
(a) world peace includes peace with cultures much more "sexist" by western definitinos than our own, with their influence having perhaps held up perfect gender equality for longer than other forms of equality or justice (e.g. racial and ethnic equality)
(b) those involved in Star Fleet come from a subculture more akin to computer geeks or engineering geeks than MBAs or politicians, and even though the women in that subculture are equal, perhaps they detest PCedness more than most (having proven themselves in the technical field, they could see the use of gender-neutral linquistic contortions as downright insulting or patronizing, for example).
(c) perhaps local ethnicity/culture is playing a role (e.g. the mostly white cowboy "west" vs. the more cosmopolitan regions of the world -- Cochran was in Montana after all).
(7) As to the "white male" thing, perhaps wealth is not yet equally distributed throughout the world, so while peace and social equality have been achieved, economic equality is still being worked on and, in the meantime, the areas of the Earth most able to afford luxuries like a space program tend to be mostly white western nations such as the United States, Europe, or Australia.
(8) (And this is the most likely explanaition) they are trying to depict a more primitive, rough and tumble Federation and so have used audio and visual queues specific to our culture to do so (older, more dated words such as "man" for gender neutral pronouns, a mostly white crew reminiscent of TOS, etc.) It's called artistic license, and I think in this particular episode it worked very well -- I did have the feeling of seeing an early precursor to the UFP, one which still has numerous flaws to iron out before becoming the perfect ST:TNG utopia.
You get the idea. The use of the phrase is perhaps not PC-compliant language, but it is only offensive to a radical few who give the rest of us liberals a really bad name (now I can really relate to Muslim's feelings of frustration in having people like the Taliban being the most vocal examples of their culture/religion), a small cost gladly paid for the continuity it creates and the potential for some interesting cultural and social exploration within humanity, something generally lacking in the other Star Trek series.
What is next: people being offended because they still have the death penalty (the Federation of Kirk's time did, while that of Piccard's time did not, so it makes sense they will. Then there's the whole meat eating thing vs. replicated food in later centuries, etc. Shall we start spray-painting animal rights slogans on the Enterprise set?)
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Babylon 5 is still the greatest television show ever. Looking forward to The Crusades or whatever JMS calls his new series.
Forgive me but I haven't seen the show yet (it is waiting on my TiVO;) so my comment may be off. But wouldn't your calculations depend on the current orbit of Neptune and where the ship traveling to Neptune was located? I'm assuming we are talking about the Enterprise traveling from Earth passing Neptune. If this is the case then it is conceivable that Neptune is on the far side of the Sun from the Earth which would mean the Enterprise would have to travel the entire diamiter of the Earth's orbit farther than if Neptune was on the same side of the Sun. I believe the Earth is about 8 light minutes away from the sun which would throw your calculations off by 16 light minutes! OK, so maybe it isn't that big of a deal when you take into account just how much further Neptune is away from the Sun than Earth;)
All this dog was missing was Rick Moranis turning to the camera and saying "Did you get that?". The expositional dialouge was truly horrid... worse than the rest of the bad dialouge.
Insanity is the last line of defence for the master diplomat. But you have to lay the groundwork early.
Warp 4.5 = 4.5^3c = 91.c OK
30,000,000 miles per second = 100.c OK
1 light year = 88 hours at 100.c
Rigel is 15 light years (1000 in reality)
15 light years = almost 8 weeks.
Eta Erdani (Vulcan) is 8 light years = 4 weeks.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
While I agree with a lot of the negative comments seen here, there is some good original stuff in the pilot episode that I haven't seen before.
I think this show has potential but I'm not giving my hopes up.
You got the point. I've not got her pin-up over my bed. I enjoyed her role and even though she knew exactly why they had chosen her she still did a good job. We'll see how the new one works out, so far I've liked the show but the Maxim shoot made her out to be a bit trashy IMO.
:-)
Oh, and to the AC who says she's not really like that - how the heck would ya' know?! Do tell....
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Yeah, I guess his Dad could've been an engineer on the project and that now makes much more sense, thanks. Was buggin' me! I'll watch it a second time anyway just to try and get it all straight and I enjoyed it the first time. Besides, I didn't get the "shower scene" on tape (lol)! Sure was jarring and weird the way they did that but what the heck - it sets up some nice tension for later episodes...
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Why did the buck rogers theme song keep going through my head. I felt like I was 5 again living in the 70's hehe. I like the new show. Its not so rediculas. The vulcan theme may have been over played. Nothing is perfect, so lets give them time to work out the kinks. A differnt theme may work... I know they changed the theme music to Tour of Duty on TNT it was fade to black by the stones... They should serious consider using something from one of the popular groups like that.... just my thoughts
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I have been seriousely, SERIOUSELY, thinking about writing a Trek Episode. But, uhhmm, the only plot line I can think of for Enterprise is that the experimental warp drive detonates and the show ends!
--Richard
Bring back Picard!
We watched Law & Order, because we wanted to see something we knew would be entertaining, and someone intellectual. Star Trek shows typically suck.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
If you honestly don't want to see story lines from this series being built off of old story lines don't watch it and complain.
"He Who Laughs Last, Is Just A Hand In The Bush" - Ozzy Osbourne
That is actually pretty funny -- and true! I never thought of it before, but I did enjoy the even-numbered ones over the odd.
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... something about 2 nacelles are 'necessary for balance of the warpfield' or some such. Scientists in the trek'verse had tried 3 nacelle and 4 nacelle designs - and there was no increase in efficiency -- and often a decrease ...
At least that's what I remember from my old TrekTNG tech manual (that's probably shredded in some box deep in my closets by now.)
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No, I don't think he ever posed in Maxim. In fact, I think Maxim only has women in it's "Girls of Maxim" section...but I could be wrong. Now Jeri Ryan would be great to see in the magazine, but I don't think she's ever been a Maxim babe...pity.
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As soon as I saw that I wondered how they were going to do that. Topical gel on what - half of their bodies tops? And notice that the guy does his legs and whatnot and that she ends up doing it over? Going to have to watch it again just to get a laugh...
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Did he expect his joke to be taken seriously? No.
They activated and deactivated hull polarization, an apparent defense against direct energy weapons.
... is an evil twin! Kirk got split in two in one episode, one good and one evil. Data had Lore, an evil brother. DS9 had the recurring alternate universe thing going on. Voyager had a duplicate crew created on the class Y planet... I personally can't wait to see what they do here!
"If you're not failing every now and again, it's a sign you're not doing anything very innovative." -- Woody Allen
This show has a slight case of Episode I syndrome. The series just doesn't appear to remain consistant with the later shows. Not to mention, the technology looks better too. My only real question is what happens to the Klingon race, how do they go from fearsome looking to just human looking between the time Enterprise and the original series and then back again before Next Generation?
Blech! So the actress playing the Vulcan is a complete ho. Guess we'll be seeing lots more of her titties in future episodes. I can just see the writers sitting around thinking up ways to get the Vulcan to take her clothes off - or even better, engage in... intimate contact with alien species. (But the censors probably wouldn't stand for that.)
A few things bothered me about the rubdown scene. 1) What parts of their bodies were they supposed to cover with the goop? Obviously not all, just enough to get the actors to show a little skin.
2) Why have the characters wear clothes at all in the glowing room? I think it'd be much more interesting to have them go in with towels and then drop trou'. They could have done the standard - logical, alien culture is enlightened and doesn't mind being naked around others; puny, immature humans get all freaked out. (See Farscape, B5, ST:TNG, etc.)
IMHO, the scene was designed to get 15 year old boys all hot and bothered, but not so sexy their moms would make them turn it off.
You'd think the show was staring Captain Jar Jar. It seems that most people forgot that the viewing of Star Trek still requires a good, solid, joint smoking session before the show starts. I mean c'mon, would there be this much hostility if you were all stoned out of your minds???
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A little long but good. Stop whining about the "how is it possible for dilithium which has a half-life of 44.82 years to give off radiation 100 years after the Botany Bay crashed" bullshit and get a life, too.
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Silly as it is to expect fiction to mirror reality, although more frequent with science-fiction than other genres, somehow I just can't see these personalities on a shuttle mission.
The other side, the military part, is even more strained. Those who reach the higher ranks in the military -- just like their counterparts in business -- know when to keep their mouths shut, rarely tell you what they are thinking, are not confrontational and tend toward the political: think Colin Powell, not John Wayne.
But as entertainment, it is off to a good start with unlimited opportunity for nit-pickers, voyeurs and SiFi buffs.
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Speak for yourself, primate. I for one was vastly disappointed when these appearances did not occur.
I've noticed, in my wanderings around Usenet binary groups, that many of the "Star Trek" actresses have previously appeared in various nude scenes. It almost seems like a job requirement for getting on "Star Trek." Could this have something to do with the particular life philosophy of the people who coordinate the show? Sometimes, it seems as if the directors belong to "American Atheist," or something.
Taking stuff apart since 1969 (TM)
I thought overall it was pretty good, but for a "totally logical" being, the Vulcan on the ship sure showed a whole lot of emotions. Much of it was her feelings of superiority, and also her distaste for the assignment. A true Vulcan would have simply stated that chasing after a Klingon was not the most logical thing to do; they wouldn't have harped on how unevolved humans were, and kept rubbing their faces in it. Oh, and the opening music was awful. But, all in all, I was pleasently surprised. It definately has potential.
Which means that (assuming there are more scenes scripted like the 'decontamination room' scene...) there will be shipwide contests among the junior crewmembers, seeing who can successfully 00wn T'pol's box ...
...and when audio controls go down, Commander Tucker'll just ssh into HELM.BRIDGE.ENTERPRISE.STARFLEET.MIL, enter the root password, cd to /etc, and change a couple of settings in MAJEL.CONF
(... looking at a dead-silent room ...) Ok ... I'll go away now ...
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The one idea I had was that some renegade Klingons had a colony where they bred with some Romulans (maybe were forced by the Romulans?) and the guys from TOS were the half-breeds. There are a lot of similarities between those TOS-Klingons and the Romulans so it wouldn't be too unbelievable for them to have something like that be the answer. Plus I would imagine that most Klingons wouldn't want anything to do with half-breed Romulan/Klingons so that explains why Worf didn't want to talk about it in the tribbles episode of DS9.
:)
Of course they could just ignore it and we'd all just have to chalk it up to having modern special effects budget (take a look at Worf in season 1 of TNG versus Worf from DS9 for more evidence of that theory). That's not very fun though.
On a more irritating point. Did anyone have problems with the transmission? We got some terrible digital "static" The screen would freeze and we'd get a field of colors. This happened a lot in the first hour, then cleared up.
I thought maybe it was a field of reversed polarizing tachyons, so I adjusted my TV's deflector and it cleared up.
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boy, some article writer woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning.
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i thought it was pretty good.
though the person the captian addressed only as "Crewman!" didn't die. That was a weakness.
"In which case, first contact with the Vulcans was 'botched'. Anyone remember ST: First Contact?
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Zefram didn't know, and I'm assuming the Vulcans also didn't know that the humans' minds would be so emotional and unsavory to Vulcans. Perhaps the Vulcans on the team assumed that by offering skin-to-skin contact, Zefram was a member of a touch-telepathic race and wanted to communicate. They probably saw it as a unique opportunity to communicate with another telepathic race, and were no doubt greatly disappointed with the result. This is all conjecture; maybe they just wore gloves!
"Please name one scene in ANY of the series or movies in which it is stated that they can't control their telepathy enough to withstand touching."
Ummm, if you can't find such a scene, you're not looking very hard. Just watch the Vulcans and how they act - hands clasped behind back, maintaining a "warning space" around their bodies. You should also check the novels. Regardless of what many say, they ARE established fan canon and include much that is not explained in the movies. Vulcans CAN touch humans, but they prefer a moment to raise their psychic shields to blot out human emotional overflow. And it is not the VULCANS who can't control their telepathy, it is the HUMANS. Spock's life on the Enterprise is full of the background noise of the emotions and thoughts of the humans around him, who don't know how to stop sending, because they can't receive.
"If spock was half vulcan and half human, how did his father even bear touching his mother? I'm no star trek expert, but I don't think I've ever heard the touch telepath theory"
Well, Sarek and Amanda were in love, silly! Well, Amanda was in love and Sarek was experiencing the closest thing he could allow himself to. Amanda was also trained for many, many years in Vulcan mental disciplines, thus resulting in an orderly, controlled mind that Sarek wouldn't mind touching. Additionally, when they were mated they were of course bound by the Kah (kind of a permanent telepathic connection between mates). This "Kah" is how T'Pring drew Spock home to Pon Farr, by the way. Spock himself was born by genetic manipulation, and then implanted in Amanda (there was also much technological effort involved in merely bringing him to term!). His genes are half Sarek and half Amanda, however.
The touch telepathy is certainly fact in the ST universe, and was decided upon by Gene and Nimoy working together when they fleshed out the character of Spock. Fans are divided over whether the Neck Pinch uses telepathic powers, physical adeptness, or a combination of the two to render its victim unconscious. However, it is certain that the Mind-Meld is evidence of touch-telepathy. Remember, Spock did not like to do the Mind Meld and found it distasteful, since human and other alien minds were a bit unsavory to him. He did it more often than any other known Vulcan, however, possibly because of his half-breed nature and the many years he lived among humans. He melded most, of course, with his best friend Kirk, which wasn't as hard.
Finally, when the episode Journey to Babel was being written, Gene (I think) came up with the idea that instead of holding hands, Sarek and Amanda would simply touch their first two fingers together. This delicate yet sensuous move showcases what Vulcan marriage is like: calm, reserved, physically aloof, and with an undercurrent of psychic unity and love.
-Kasreyn
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Try this: the humans feel that it's necessary to return the Klingon alive. The Vulcans want to pull the plug and send the corpse back. Perhaps the botch in first contact is that the Vulcans were right, and the fact that the humans felt the need to return Klang alive was just Earth-centric thinking. Therefore, the pilot plot is covered, but the insult of the return of a live, disgraced Klingon is enough to precipitate the war in the future.
Or maybe the Klingons were pissed because the Klingon with such a dorky name still lives.
Virg
Were you castrated while going to home school? Good looking chicks can be into anything for all I care.
Distance from Earth to Neptune (shortest)
/3 minutes = 1,435,300,000 km/min = 23,921,700 km/sec
Minimum (10^6 km) 4305.9
Time at Warp 4.5 = 6 minutes round trip = 3 minutes one way
4,305,900,000km
therefore, Warp 4.5 = 23.9217 * 10^6 km/sec
Now, Earth to Kronos was given at 80 hours at Warp 4.5 so
80 hours = 4800 Minutes = 288,000 seconds
288,000 sec * 23,921,700 km/sec = 6,889,449,600,000 km to Kronos (6.8894496 * 10^12) (6 Trillion KM)
Light travels at 300,000 km/sec
6,889,449,600,000 km / 300,000 = 22,964,832 LightSeconds
Light seconds to light years:
60 seconds in 1 minute
60 minutes in 1 hour
24 hours in 1 day
365 days in 1 year
60 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 31,536,000 seconds/year
THEREFORE:
22,964,832 / 31,536,000 = 0.728210045662100456621005 light years
Since the closest star to Earth is some 4 light years away, the Klingons are SURE some CLOSE neighbors!
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Sometimes, it seems as if the directors belong to "American Atheist," or something.
I don't see the athiest connection here at all.
Is posing nude considered 'Athiest'?
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I'm waiting to see Kirk and Spock / Bashere and Sisko / Picard and Data / Tuvok and Paris /etc make a cameo appearance babbling about some time-flux problem in the future and maybe handing an "aint it cool" gadget to the crew to help them succeed at some critical mission.
*sigh* On a sarcastic/bitter note, it woulda been nice to see a starship materialize above the WTC and lock tractor beams on a certain two jetliners a few weeks ago...
Overall, I thought it was OK. I thought Scott Bakula did a good job. I especially liked the scene at the end after they transported him when he had that "what the heck just happened" look on his face. They have a real opportunity to take things like transporters which we have come to "take for granted" and make them seem cool again. That requires some good writing/acting however, and how well they are able to accomplish that remains to be seen. They can also still show cool "new" (to us) technology so long as they are careful not to show a civilization more advanced than in the later shows... (actually, they could do that, too, if they did it right). I thought the whole thing with the magnetized compartments forming a large structure was pretty cool, for example. I didn't hear the music (missed the whole first 15 min. or so of the show), so I can't comment on it in particular, but I think powerful instrumentals are more appropriate for ST than songs with lyrics... just doesn't seem right to do it any other way.
I think the Vulcan, being a FULL Vulcan, unlike Spock, should have been much more logical and much less emotional. That's something they need to work on. And I could've done without the gel scene...
I know it was just a coincidence, but I like how the bad guys have a name very similar to "Taliban", hehe. ;-)
And lastly, I want to speak up for the 2% of the /. community that thinks the most attractive individual on the show is not the Vulcan lady, but Scott Bakula! mmmmm. :-)
I was very Pleasantly surprised, I have many comments: 1) I like the opening credits and new theme song! All of you who don't like it need to chill out, it's a great change. It gets back to the exploration and destiny of man's quest for exploration and search for knowledge. At first I was shocked by the theme song, how it wasn't orchestral, but I liked it after hearing it 2-3 times. 2) I like that they put an edge onto the show, no more quib comments, like "Oh Mr. Bad Guy, I guess you're out of business now, ha ha ha..." Instead its been replaced by "I'm gonna knock you on your ass..." Much more Babylon 5'ish there. 3) I like the risque stuff they added, although blatant, they were trying to get the point across that this show is no longer for 3 year olds, its got babes and even fondling...no more Mary Poppins crap!!! It's about freaking time they joined prime time TV!!! 4) I like the special effects, very well done, they got a bigger budget. Remains to be seen if they blew their wad on the first episode. 5) I like the acting, for the most part it was good, no glaringly bad stuff, a few bad lines here and there, but that will be worked out as it goes along. 6) I like the attention to detail, how they brought back the actor who played Zephram Cochran (did you notice Cochran's statue on the top shelf of the captain's quarters?), and how they have pictures of all ships in human history named "Enterprise" on the captain's walls, and how the ship is obvviously less advanced (they had to walk through rooms over a bulkhead, just like they do on nuclear subs), and how the people wear jackets and more contemporary attire (I saw a suit and tie in one scene).
See the dedication plaque for NCC-1701-E and you'll see it claims the Enterprise "E" was the 6th starship to bear the name "Enterprise", let's see here:
NX-01 - 1st ?
NCC-1701 - 2nd ?
NCC-1701-A - 3nd ?
NCC-1701-B - 4th ?
NCC-1701-C - 5th ?
NCC-1701-D - 6th ?
NCC-1701-E - 7th ?
Unless there was never an Enterprise "B", the numbers just don't add up. I don't recall ever seeing a reference to an Enterprise "B" in any of the shows or movies, so maybe "E" was the 6th, or is this just still another example of poor continuity?
was barklay murdoch?
Near the end, the Klingon high council member said something to the captain. When asked what he said, the translator replied, "you don't want to know." Does anyone here know Klingon? What did he say?
Instead of devoting 100% of my time to study for my CCNA yesterday evening, I time-shared between the desk, feeding the cats and watching a lof of bits of the premiere.
a s, the theme song and the no-so-disastrous First Contact, the show does show some possibilities. I'm curious to know how we'll react by the end of the year. Let's hope TPTB don't f*ck it up.
I knew that this was a premiere, that the characters & relationships would be forces and strained, that the actors would not have wrapped their brains around these characters, etc.
Still:
* why _POP_ for a sci-fi theme song? Now that's not going to age gracefully, like the sfx... And, anyway, it's Trek, it needs something more orchestral, no? I do hope they'll change the theme for something better. Please.
* there was a lot of pornish stuff, the kind Gene R. would have _never_ had on his show. The quasi-naked, insect eating dancers, the shower/desinfecting/whatever scene, etc. I don't know, smelt like a cheap way to catch the attention of male viewers. It did not feel right -- for Trek.
* I'm not sure about the transporter, about them beaming capt. Archer, _NEAR A TEMPORAL DISTORTION_ away to safety. Wasn't the Transporter something not to be used in this series because it was supposed to be this new-fangled, untested contraption? That was the biggest nit for me, kinda semi-spoiled the pilot for me.
* For a disastrous first contact with the Klingons, despite mr. Redneck Farmer, it looks like if it went rather well. OK, how do we get into war with the Klingons, then? Or is it YATI?
* Despite the surprising soft-porn, the transporter-that-wasn't-supposed-to-be-used-but-w
Didn't you see Generations? That's the Enterprise upon which Kirk "died" -- actually he was caught up in the Nexus thread (kinda like a bad Slashdot thread), where he actually died. Anyway that's the starship upon which Kirk disappeared and presumably died until he met Picard in the Nexus and battled the evil Dr. Soren or whatever the bad guy's name was.
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disinfect their hair! One of the biggest trapping points for particulate matter such as spores.
My name fits again.
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I suppose the next one could be titled "Star Trek: The Former Generation".
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The Top 12 Surprises in "Enterprise," the New Star Trek Series
12> Klingons are *major* pussies.
11> "You're right, crewman Jeffries, somebody *should* build some access tubes around here!"
10> As a result of some earlier 21st century joint ventures with a certain car company, this enterprise comes equipped with dent-resistant polymer side panels.
9> Early attempts at encrypting transmissions to the Vulcans: Pig Latin.
8> Dilithium crystals not discovered yet, so starships get their power from hamsters hopped up on andro.
7> It turns out the Federation was originally an Amway distributorship.
6> Before each episode, the entertainment industry officially apologizes for being out of ideas.
5> Lt. Kirk sporting one nasty 'fro.
4> Prototype transporter can only beam things ten feet at a time.
3> That "Klingons around Uranus" joke? Still funny.
2> Enterprise's first five-year mission? Touring with the Dead, dude!
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1> The Vulcan Buttmeld.
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Okay, I may be an EST guy, but I taped it and watched later, and if I saw a topic called "Enterprise Reactions?" I would ASSUME it has spoilers and NOT READ IT until I had seen the episode! Really, no-one forced you to click the link or read the posts. Geez people, are we REALLY that stupid?
The hull armor was a very primitive electo magnetic armor. They had to "CHARGE" it to activate it. Maybe you need to pay a little bit more attention to the details.
What's so awful about this isn't the wooden acting, the gratuitous sexual tension with an unreceptive hot chick and the crappy crew...
It's instead the signal from the producers that they are prepared to dumb down Gene Rodenberry's baby by about two orders of magnitude. The real geeks among you surely saw the Simpsons episode with Poochie the dog. Here too, we see a boardroom-scripted "market-tested" series of "themes" that certain surveys revealed to be engaging to today's viewers (like Poochie was supposed to be).
The last thing we geeks need is a sci-fi show for the lowest common denominator. Looks like we got one anyway. Enjoy your death trap, ladies!
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That theme music was just horrible. I like the opening video, but not the audio. They need a new music guy
One thing I find so...fascinating...is Vulcans' continal disappointment and surprise of Human (and only Human) emotionalism. As of Enterprise, the Vulcans have shown themselves to already be a well-traveled spacefaring race. By now they should have noticed that the other species they meet are all emotional. They certainly know how emotional they were, until their race's own savior (Surak) started preaching logic.
Think about this. They don't understand Human psychology because it is so illogical, but they deign to tell humans about what will and will not offend the Klingons. Do they understand the Klingons better (consider: they have put a team on Earth for 90 years, and show no sign of permanent relations with the Klingon Empire) than they understand us? Are Klingons more logical than humans?
All in all, it seems that Vulcans are friendlier towards other emotional races than they are towards humans. It seems that there is something particularly disturbing to Vulcans about Humans, and I can't see it as being our emotion. I have a suspicion that the Vulcan attitude towards Humans in Enterprise is completely illogical. Remember that Vulcans have emotions, but hold them in strict check.
I hope that this is something Berman, et. al. have planned, rather than being some sort of mental dropout. If they have this planned, I look forward to seeing what it is about Humans that makes us particularly infuriating.
--The basis of all love is respect
I started watching Star Trek, the original series, in reruns around 1979-1981 (somewhere in there). I was about 8 at the time. I watched The Next Generation pretty loyally, then got bored. To keep the interest of people such as myself, I think they need to resolve the following issues.
I think the following things were done well, and I hope they do not lose these things.
Again, I think this is promising. I will watch next week's show. But they really need to build on the things they got right, and kill off the things they got wrong. I really think the technology issue is the biggest problem, and I really think they can get around it. Look at a modern cockpit -- half of the homes in the USA have a computer, but a cockpit is still a mess of buttons and panels. We must encourage them to be more realistic with the tech on this show.
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Just waiting for Darwin the dolphin to show up.....
Umm, fool, did you stop to consider these people weren't in a van doing bonghits? They were in the first freaking starship ever built by humans, quite possibly the most expensive device terrestrial taxpayers ever funded.
Do you really think this is how they should have been behaving? Do you think this should go on in the bridge of an aricraft carrier? Capitain says: I know what my mission was, but I've got issues, you know, so I'll just violate orders and go chasing after something against the better judgement of experts, yes, into uncharted and probably hostile waters, but things might turn out OK and dammit, we have to try.
I hope episode two begins with a dishonorable discharge for the whole crew, and then maybe we can start again.
And may I say that what you both just talked about is exactly what would keep people talking -- conflict that is a little more "from the gut". These people don't necessarily all like each other, although they have redeeming... uh... qualities that keep you from hating them too much. But this really does seem to be something that has been long lost in the Star Trek world, and it would be nice to have the prequel continue to rediscover what it was about the original series that turned it into a successful franchise.
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Ok, ok, I know ... easy answer. He can either be a heartless s.o.b., and write the dog off in favor of saving the rest of his crew. Or maybe ... how hard would it be to train a puppy to climb into a rescue ball? 'If you hear this noise ... climb into this ball (or hardshell case), pull the lid closed ... and wait.'
This of course raises the next question. How do you train a dog to do this? Which ensign to you detail for this job, when shipboard duties are weighing on the captain too heavily? Which Ensign Expendable gets the joy of dealing with a panicked dog whizzing in his escape case during a zero-G drill? "Um ... Captain ... sir ... Porthos sprayed in his escape bag again ... Yes sir, the inner bag is pretty saturated. So is the hallway to escape hatch 7 -- I'm sorry sir, but he got loose from the bag and floated down the corridor ... no sir, I don't think we can find any more volunteers."
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So, I think they have a winner. Maybe it will improve in time. I sure hope so.
There are two petitions there...its confusing.
I think they should just have Jerry Goldsmith do the theme.
That's the one ;-D
KILL THE FUCKING THEME SONG... NOW.. give me something more nextgen like, and while you're at it.. put Picard back on dammit.. :)
Engage!
Make it so #1.
:(
*awash in mixed emotions*
so ... the answer ... Enterprise NX-01 uses Darwin/OS22.1!
(Hope the Captain & Commander Tucker keeps the root password hidden.)
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It's just a furthur example of poor continuity.
Someone should mod the parent up to "Insightful".
If you notice the UFP registration number of Enterprise NX-01, that's the designator for an experimental naval contract. It's not considered a legitimate member of the fleet until it has a valid Naval Construction Contract (hence the NCC). So, technically, NCC-1701E is the sixth starship to bear the name.
They that would sacrifice their
I liked it. It's better than the standard orchestral themes. It's not something I would buy, and it isn't going to make the top ten, but it's not meant to do that. It's just meant to describe and open the show, and it does a very good job of describing the mood. What isn't appropriate is the vulcan chick in the seven-of-nine costume. She's supposed to be wearing robes, but I guess the producers needed some flesh...
One of the things I found particularly encouraging was the use of some quirky bits of technology that haven't shown up since the original series.
I'm hoping this is indicative of a return to the simpler formula that made the original series and TNG so much better than those that followed them.
"...TNG--the Wild West holodeck one--when Worf got shot. Red blood."
Because this was a simulated enviroment. That could have been part of the programming for that episode.
" For ~100 years the klingons looked like Genghis Khan, but then went back to looking like Klingons?"
Maybe they admire him enough to emulate his apperance.
No, but most religions would frown on that. So his thinking is that the directors are atheists. I think this is wrong, however, because not believing in a religion is not the same as atheism. (Right?)
He started screaming when she went borg on his ass in the middle of the kiss. Hot babe or not...no one wants to get assimilated.
Ruger
I happen to know for a fact that it's safe stored in Area51.
Ruger
Scott Bakula should sing the opening song like Chuck Norris does with Walker Texas Ranger.
Why don't they get Norris as a captain who'll kick some Andorian butt?
So when Armstrong said "one giant leap for mankind" you think he just meant us guys and that he was excluding women by not saying humankind or persons?
Just because Strunk and White says something doesn't make it so. My copy of Webster's still defines man as "an individual human" and "the human race." That is just as authoritative as The Elements of Style is. The fact is that, like it or not, "man" still does double duty and both male gender specific AND gender neutral. Is it confusing? Yes, that is one of the many unfortunate irregularities of English. Just like "geese" does double duty as female gender specific and gender neutral for... well... geese. "Man" will probably stay that way for another hundered years or more, maybe for as long as we speak "modern" English. There has been just too much literature written that way for "personkind" to sound normal. Language experts trying to change it to be PC is even tougher than when they tried to convince American's not to say "ain't." (I was on their side, but that was a losing battle.) Or when the Soviets tried to eliminate the word for "mine" from the Russian language because it wasn't proper socialist grammer. Be grateful our language at least doesn't go around trying to give gender to inanimate objects.
BTW, I thought one of the points of Star Trek was that it wasn't supposed to be what people of the future were like, it was about people from the present with futuristic window dressing. You know, the Romulan's were the Chicoms, the Klingon's were the Ruskies, the Federation was NATO. That was most obvious in Undiscovered Country when the Soviet Union... oh, I mean Klingons... collapsed economically and were reborn as our allies.
I missed the first half hour so I'll have to wait for the rerun to even hear the theme song but I noticed it had more commercials than when NBC broadcast both Alice in Wonderland and that little people show. You didn't even get a chance to get into the plot before it faded to black and ruined your hardon thinking about rubbing gel all over Jolene. I think I may go buy a Tivo now.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
The DS9 tribble episode establishes that the klingons really did look the way they did so it's something that must be adressed and I honestly don't think it's that hard to come up with something though most people probably won't like it. The klingon skull is somewhat bigger so they might require a preop if they are to pose as other species in the field. It's hard not to notice a klingon. Also the new species, the Suluban, are trying to speed up evolution, why couldn't the klingons head down the same path? They are not exactly a cautious people.
The way the Valcan's directly patronize humans is overacted. To be in character and follow the story they should be subdued like the Talons in EFC. They seem overly preoccupied with keeping humans restrained yet are quiet and unjudgemental conserning all other species.
This was definetly a successful first contact. Unless they plan on time travel that drasticly changes history ala Dallas(old drama show in the 80's) which I doubt it is inconsistent with the few references to first contact with the Klingons.
I'm looking forward to ten years from now when this series dies and TOS will be revamped to update the effects, makeup, and ships. The sets were all neutral colored so it should be quite possible to update the TOS enterprise to better match the ST Movies. They might even be able to repair some trivial ST history that they are bound to mess up with this series. It would certainly be neat to see TOS with a ship and sets like this series. They could ironically update the tribble episode so that we get to see the tribble episode such that we see glimpses of the DS9 cast.
No, but most religions would frown on that. So his thinking is that the directors are atheists. I think this is wrong, however, because not believing in a religion is not the same as atheism. (Right?)
Ragardless, lots 'adult' film stars conder themselves to be religious and lots of productions are backed by religious people.
Us Athiests have enough problems as it is, with the president claiming we're not real citizens and all, so I just don't like porn getting blamed on us too.
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. --Ben Franklin
I think the current theme is on the right track with contemporary music, but chose a really bad song. If a petition works, I'll sign it.
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Well, in order to start a revolution, you need more than a critique of a bad idea. You need a good idea, and proof it would work.
I took the song "Wherever You Will Go," by The Calling - the rock song used in the promos - and spliced it to fit over the opening credits (which I found online).
I think it works. It flows better, has a better theme and fits the show's message (though, admittedly, less than the current theme).
Here's the link...
http://community.middlebury.edu/~vrengana/Open.
Enjoy.
No, I am refferring to a very particular clone of Alfred who is also referred (for _political_ correct reasons) Alfred E. Newman (didn't you do the maths already?)
- Panos
God that is the worst theme song of any TV series ever. Worse than "Alf". Worse than "Diffr'nt Strokes". Worse than "Oprah".
All kings is mostly rapscallions. -Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
First off, Maxim can hardly be considered a good magazine. Personally, I figure any magazine that has over 20% of its general use space dedicated to advertisements is a rather questionable as a source of useful information.
Secondly, Maxim is selling Ms. Blalock as a "midrif." Midrif's are unreal media-formed identities of young females who are obsessed with their appearance and how people think of them, use their sexuality as a tool and are constantly attempting to establish their individual identity while remaining in the mainstream. Her willingness to pose for the pictures is just part of getting herself out there; an unknown actress or actor, even one that has a set of projects, has an insecure future. By willingly posing for the pictures and doing the interview, she gets knowledge of herself out there, as well as knowledge of anything she's involved in, from Enterprise to Green Peace.
Considering this, you might ask what it is you can tell? Well, she's willing to cater to the popular market, hence the photos. She's not that verbose, but she is very candid, so much so, she tells us the she once previously used drugs. She likes active outdoor activities, especially water-related sports. Now, it's too easy to be presumptious about "She's a whirlwind;" however, if nothing else, she is once again being candid.
Try to keep an open mind and read between the lines, or else you may end up yelling at a mother who's just trying ween her child off of methane dioxide gas.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
>So, none of us are heterosexual? 100% aren't heterosexual = 0% are heterosexual.
;-)
Your logic is flawed.
Absurdity: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. -- Ambrose Bierce
It was WEAK. VERY WEAK. 7of... I mean T'Pol sucks. She doesn't even lick the shoes of Spock, Sarek and both Savek's. She's another actress cast for her looks and T&A factor to please the undersexed fanboys. I found her acting phony...
:p
In fact I just find everything about her phony, just as I did with Jeri Ryan. The scene with her and Tucker in their undies bordered on soft porn with all those close-ups and her hard nipples poking through the t-shirt.. And Tucker was as hard as a sailor on sore leave. Not that there's anything wrong with soft porn, just seems a tasteless attempt to boost ratings to me.
Archer is a Kirk wannabe. He has the double-fisted action hero quality but I saw no signs of Kirk's intelligence or cleverness. Have to wait and see on that.
Tucker is a Bones wannabe. A down home guy who's best buds with the Captain and is ready to shoot of his mouth with an extreme opinion in any given situation. Oh but he's the Chief Engineer not a Doctor. Wow Now THATS innovation!
Mayweather and Reed seemed generic. Nothing (yet) to distinguish either.
The "second hand, third hand" joke is almost as old as Star Trek itself. Heck it was done VISUALLY in Total Recall....
Now I know it's been said but the ship just looks way too 24th Century. They turned a Akira class upside down and gave it TOS narcells... And that makes it retro?
The Good stuff: I like the other ships such as the shuttles and all, the costumes are OK and the sets are outstanding. The FX are excellent for the most part.
I liked Hoshi and Phlox.
Hoshi seems cute and intelligent and I liked how Linda Park played her. Having her be very paranoid about space travel is fun.
I had worried Phlox would be "Dr. Neelix" but he's not annoying, in fact I found him quite funny and disarming.
However that put aside its basically Generic TV sci-fi, so generic it feels spit out by a computer. It also doesn't feel very Trek either, less so then Ds9 or Voyager.
The crummy pop song as the theme doesn't help that either. I had hoped for a stirring theme. A new theme by Goldsmith or perhaps the theme from Generations by Dennis McCarthy would have been much better. Instead we get a generic pop tune for a generic show...
Basically the show reminds me of some women I've dated, nice to look at but not an original thought in its head. Just the fact that they decided not to do a sequel series shows they had no fresh ideas. It also detracts from the feeling of adventure. Sure Archer and co. don't know where they're going but WE the audience do.
Basically I think it's an attempt to appeal to today's audience to save the franchise. Heck the first season of Voyager was much better. Of course I'm only going on the pilot (which I actually liked on paper.) So I do plan to watch it a few times more to see if it improves, but it doesn't look good to me right now. First the X-Files falls apart, now this...
"The human mind's ability to rationalize its own shortcomings into virtues is unlimited." - Robert A. Heinlein
The Vulcan chick has possibilities. The configuration of her hull reminds me of a recent favorite..can we say Seven of Nine?
Hmmm as a matter of fact maybe Seven of Nine could do a guest shot via time travel..ya know...a glimpse of the future both good and bad?
Yes, I do consider that to be whining. There are plenty of shotgun toting redneck farmers, just as there are plenty of cases where there are mostly white people (and no gays) in any given place...
Perhaps the creators of the show just picked the best people for the job and were unconcerned with "affirmative action"-type bullshit.
FWIW, I am no bigot and have absolutely no tolerance for bigotry. However, I also have absolutely no tolerance for people who actively look for bigotry in every little thing forcing people to be wary of who they choose for a job, etc for fear of presenting the appearance of the slightest miniscule possibility of being a bigot.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I am totally looking forward to the Pon Far episode!
If you notice the UFP registration number of Enterprise NX-01, that's the designator for an experimental naval contract. It's not considered a legitimate member of the fleet until it has a valid Naval Construction Contract (hence the NCC). So, technically, NCC-1701E is the sixth starship to bear the name.
Ahhh, so the NX-01 ain't even a bona-fide starship, eh? Everything else about the show is a ripoff of the true spirit of the Star Trek saga, so even this travesty shouldn't come as a surprise.
And I was waiting for Robert Urich :-}
Am I the only one who's read this or is it my imagination? It's the best explanation out there, IMO
Yep, he's also the voice of Eddie the Squirell on "CatDog"
The theme should be pared down to about half it's current length. Perhaps a SHORTER montage of former ships named Enterprise with the NX-01 leaving spacedock at the end. The music has to go. I nominate Fire On High by the Electric Light Orchestra (New World Record - 1975).
Republicans are idiots.
While I can't explain why "The Naked Now" was produced, I do recall that the first season of TNG was largely written in 1997, several months before the writer's strike.
The second season of TNG was hamstrung by the writer's strike. It contains four less episodes (hours) than any other TNG season, which always ran with 26 and it started in late October. The first episode of this season, "The Child" was taken directly from an episode written years before for the failed Star Trek: Phase II sequel series. I believe a few more episodes in that season were rehashes from Phase II scripts. And we all cringe as we remember the miserable "Shades of Grey" re-hash episode that capped off this phenomenally marginal second season.
Fortunately, TNG finally started to find its footing in the following third season.
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Are they ever going to make any more Star Trek Movies?
But my grandest creation, as history will tell,
Was Firefrorefiddle, the Fiend of the Fell.
Listen, I just want to make a comment to people who keep saying "get a life" and "don't nitpick the show". Let's take a look at a few series on TV, both currently, and in the recent past:
Seinfeld: The continuity episode to episode was critical to the humor, much of which came from in-jokes about previous episodes. George purchases inexpensive wedding invitation envelopes and the seal poisons his fiancee to death. He then is put on the board to distribute the foundation put in her name, and the majority of the humor in those scenes is funny because the audience knows what has happened. Ignoring First Contact continuity is equivalent of in the final episode of Seinfeld, having the police dredge the local sewer and find the wreckage of George's fiancee's car and her body.
Frasier: Quite similar - a sequel series to Cheers. The viewers know that during the run of Cheers, Frasier was married to Lilith. Casually mentioning Frasier's carefree bachelor days of the same time period he was married to Lilith on Cheers would be the same thing, and I'm SURE viewers would be pissed.
ER: One of the nurses on ER who is no longer on the series had HIV, which she got from her ex-husband. I would say this is a pretty major thing for anyone, which of course is why it was on the show. If she was brought back onto the show and was telling everyone about how her HIV was contracted when she shared her drug needles, people would be confused, and would probably be pissed off.
So here we have Star Trek. Picard is abducted by the Borg and turned into Locutus, then transformed back into Picard by the crew. Yes, he has problems with it, and they spend a good amount of time of two episodes dealing with this fact. Picard visits his brother and has quite an emotional time of things. Yet, during all this time, nothing is mentioned of a Borg Queen, and whomp we go through 4 more seasons of TNG. Two movies later, we only then find out about this Borg Queen?
When you watch a series and actually use your BRAIN, you remember things. I remember things in life, but life generally doesn't contradict itself. A few months ago, I watched the episode of TOS, the one where the Romulans come back to the federation after 100 years of self-imposed exile behind the Neutral Zone. A good amount of exposition is spent on discussing the Earth-Romulan war, and how it was fought with nuclear weapons.
This places the war right smack in the middle of Star Trek: Enterprise. This could NOT have been an accident, and I expect full well to see it come to pass... just like the Clone Wars in the Star Wars universe. If they ignore it, we will all be pissed.
Am I an idiot because I remember there's supposed to be a war? Football fans remember the statistics of all their players and even play fantasy football leagues using the stats. I don't fully understand THAT, but I don't make fun of it. We all have our things we enjoy doing.
That's my say. Flame me if you wish.
Greg Chance
Time cop guy:"WHICH Enterprise?"
Sisko: "The first - Constitution class."
Time cop guy:(disgustedly)"Kirk's ship!"
Oh well, talk about shooting yourself in the foot...
Trouble is, I think that would be even worse...
I remember cringing when I first heard it. Then the second time, it was okay. It was the initial shock; the expectation of the orchestral snore-music that got me. I thought, "Here they are, blowing it right away." Then, I watched it again because the episode was so fantastic, and I thought, "Ya know what, that isn't bad!"
I volunteer to be T'Pol's (that looks funny with the possesive, doesn't it?) personal decon gel applicator-guy for the run of the series. You think they'd go for it??
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Boy! I found only one other poster at score: 2 or above who didn't act like a preacher about this non-sex scene.
You want pertinent? I'll give you pertinent: Humans love to have sex and do warm, fun, fuzzy things with each other. It would have been *very* pertinent if Tucker had taken some gel in his hands, gotten all hot and bothered and grabbed Vulcan-babe for a good old-fashioned Kirk-style throat examination with his tongue.
Her reaction would have been interesting to watch, and would have instantly developed a tense sub-plot in the midst of the greater tension of the Captain's absence.
The surprise when she suddenly was swayed by her erstwhile lover's insistence to press on to Kronos instead of returning to Earth would have brought the house down under these more tense circumstances and raised questions about her ability to suppress those base emotions that Vulcans hate--er, eschew--so much.
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Perhaps, just maybe, there were mostly white people who tried out for the parts on the show. Who knows, you certainly don't, so maybe you should just STFU for now.
The original series had a diverse cast on purpose, to further a good cause. In the shows that followed, the best people were chosen for the job, except Voyager where perhaps Janeway was specifically cast because they wanted a female captain.
I'm not a bigot, I was raised without even realizing there was tension among races in this country. You probably don't believe that though, because I don't personally go looking for bigotry in ever detail of everything.
"Mm. Note the implicit assumptions being smuggled in here: that it is reasonable to expect that "the best people for the job" will be mostly white males (rather than being uncorrelated with race and sex"
Wow, you're really, really trying hard to label me a bigot for disagreeing with you on this, but you've ended up just pulling stupid shit out of your ass.
This conversation, is over.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Us Athiests have enough problems as it is, with the president claiming we're not real citizens and all...
Are you serious? He said that? That reminded me of Catch-22 (teh book by Joseph Heller). Quote (Chapter 19, Page 203 in my copy):
Colonel Cathcart stopped in his tracks. "What atheists?" he bellowed defensively, his whole manner changing in a flash to one of virtuous and belligerent denial. "There are no atheists in my outfit! Atheism is against the law, isn't it?"
"No sir."
"Isn't it?" The colonel was suprised. "Then it's un-American, isn't it??"
"I'm not sure, sir," answered the chaplain.
"Well, I am!" the colonel declared. "I'm not going to disrupt our religious services just to accommodate a bunch of lousy atheists. They're getting no special privileges from me. They can stay right where they are and pray with the rest of us. And what's all this about enlistd men? Just how the hell do they get into this act?"
The chaplain felt his face flush. "I'm sorry sir. I just assumed you would want the enlisted men to be present, since they would be going along on the same mission."
"Well, I don't. They've got a God and a chaplain of their own, haven't they?"
"No sir."
"What are you talking about? You mean they pray to the same God we do?"
"Yes, sir."
"And He listens?"
"I think so sir."
"Well, I'll be damned," remarked the colonel, and he snorted to himself in quizzical amusement.
I don't think he needs people drawing parallels between him and Colonel Cathcart. If you read the book, you know what I mean. If you haven't, you probably have an idea from reading all of that. You should also go read it...
Gimme a break. The VT52 is long gone. It's time to stop using Curses and target a GUI.
Maybe we could get Paramount to hire Lalo Schifrin ?
This would be something diffrent plus he is a
real maestro !!!!
Bring on some cool jazzy Big-Band sounds for a change .
Or, at least cut the guy singin the song.
maybe use the same song as a guitar-instrumental Version instead !
Everybody knows this (unless they are very silly), but its amusing to try and se IF we can come up with a retcon that would actually make sense given the context. Of course I've yet to see such an explanation, but who knows, perhaps one day :o)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
I thought so to..no really, I did, I swear. Tomtar på loftet.
if I so have to post 3 more comments goddammit
The missing scene from episode 1 of Enterprise.
Scene: After the Archer and Tucker watch the new Vulcan science officer leave the room in disgust of the dog. Al appears.
Al: SAM! SAM! Ziggy says there's a 50% of improving your relationship with her and having dinner and a night cap!
Archer: Hows that Al?
Al: Ziggy says that in order for you to have (hand jesture)"Breakfast" with her the next morning. You need to beam the dog off the ship.
Archer: Well the transporters arn't 100%, but that will improve my relationship?
Al: Yeah, you improve the relationship and then you leap out!
Archer: Is that before or after breakfast when I leap out?
Al: I dunno.
Archer: DAMN! Do I chance it? (Eye's up the dog)
Al: Ziggy says there is a 0.1x10^(-30 billion)% chance if the dog stays.
Tucker (Concerned about why Captain Archer appears to be talking to a bulkhead): You ok Captain?
Dog (Eyes up Al's leg): Woof!
Somebody clone Gene Roddenberry so we can have Star Trek with more meaning to go with the T&A.
The Vulcan reminds me of 7 of 9 w/out the implants. The ship looks good, but too Next Generation'ish and needs to be set to atleast ST original or earlier from the artwork thats been out there, to late for that now though.
~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
... I hope to catch it when it's run tomorrow.
IMO, ST:TNG was the best show in the entire franchise, but not until about the third season. Most of the first season sucked on toast, in retrospect (though at the time it was just cool to have new Star Trek to watch).
Any show that's worth it will take a while to develop. You can tell a complete stinker pretty easily, but the difference between a watchable show and a great show isn't immediately obvious (i.e., you can judge episodes obviously, but if the premiere is "OK" or "pretty good" or "so-so", then it's still quite possible that the show will turn out to be excellent).
I just hope that the folks behind this show realize that there have been around five hundred episodes of Star Trek and they pretty much ran out of new ideas after about 150-200. I personally got bored with Voyager and punted the last few seasons.
I'd like to what "Enterprise", but I sure don't want to see the same "aliens have taken over the ship in some ludicrously easy way" or "Officer X has been kidnapped" or "Regardless of how dramatic the plot tries to be you always know it will end exactly back at the status quo ante."
I do know one thing from the pictures I've seen... they definitely are sticking to the "Seven of Nine" formula. Let's hope that character is more than just eye-candy (Seven of Nine _was_ a very interesting character, for a while...).
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
In the "Rihannsu" way, The Travelers who left Vulcan suffered so much and had so many losses, by the time they settled on the twin worlds of Romulus, they were down to so few that they had to make hard choices on how to set up their new home and what to keep. Ultimately like many SF colonists on hard times, they lost the bulk of their technology, and had to rebuild from scratch. That's a plausible scenario, especially if you consider that the forebears of the Romulans might have been the headstrong types who leaped before they looked and were too proud to ask their Vulcan relatives for help when things got tough.
:)
As for apparant lack of Vulcan progress that's easy. They're long-lived and hew straight to a logical line, that means above all, compared to humans they're careful and deliberate, less prone to go into the wild tangents that are the frequent source of those "Eureka!" moments. So it's not surprising that their pace of technological change is much slower than that of humans or that humans would catch up and surpass quickly once given the chance.
I'm not even going to try to figure out how the TOS Romulans got around without the Klingon star drive technology.
Personal semi-rant. I was half-hoping that Archer would use Pike's term "Hyper-drive" instead of warp, but I guess that would have created a "branding" issue.
This one is a no-brainer. The NCC-1701 was the first FEDERATION Starship commissioned as Enterprise, a Federation ship as opposed to be strictly an Earth ship like the NX-01. The NX-01 wasn't counted for the same reason that the US Navy ships or the non-flying space shuttle aren't on the list, none of the above were ships of the Federation unlike April/Pike/Kirk's ship.
We had all three Klingon baddies from the original series show up in DS9 episodes brow-ridged and all. For those of you wondering about Worf's comment about the differing appearance of the Klingons on K-7, wonder more about what he called Kor's great victory on Organia.
As to the ridges vs. the non-ridges, either deal with it, or better yet, ignore it. If it had continuity it wouldn't be Trek!
not believing in a religion is not the same as atheism. (Right?)
Wrong, basically. A (lack of) theism (belief in the existence of a god or gods).
I wasn't referring *only* to nude movie scenes, though my wording probably didn't make that clear. With Star Trek, I wouldn't have thought that I would need to make it clear. The franchise repeatedly does questionable things (from a religious perspective). That would not mean so much, if not for the knowledge that Roddenbury was, if not atheistic, at least humanistic. It would be a simple matter to make a long list of Star Trek episodes that cast religion in a questionable light, beginning with some of the first episodes, until the most recent. Why, just tonight, I watched Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, whose plot centered around a Vulcan who attempts to find God, only to find that the entity claiming to be God (and identified by Spock's brother--and by the credits list--as God) is really an imprisoned, vengeful, cruel being who zaps anyone who doubts him. However, what called all this to mind in this instance was recalling the specific films in which the actresses had appeared nude. It wasn't just that they had appeared nude that tipped me off as to their atheistic leanings; it was the films, themselves, in which they had appeared. None of these people are angels.
I suspect that one reason that Star Trek scripts are so lackluster and contrived is the sufficating atmosphere inherent to secular humanism. It obviously isn't very difficult to put all kinds of fancy gizmos into a film; what is difficult is having a message worth delivering.
Taking stuff apart since 1969 (TM)
One of the things that surprised me was the Doctor saying that Earth is very interesting and different, especially Chinese food. Does anyone else find that strange? To an alien, all of Earth's foods should be change. Like Joey of Friends said once about Chinese food: "In China, it's just called 'food'!"
I just thought it was very weird for an alien to find Chinese food weirder than all the other foods on a planet that is alien to him.
More Trek less Drek!
f -4- Lost in Space, well into it's 2nd season and just about to get into it's talking carrot period.
.Proxima Centauri!!!! This means that the Klingons whom we are told have this honker of a star empire are in fact right around the corner! Surprise! Bet this is a surprise to the writers as well. Actually, the ship should get to Proxima much faster as warp 4.5 should be something like 18 times the speed of light according to classic Star Trek cannon. That would make the Klingon world about 5,122,440 AUs away or 81 light years. Little better me-thinks. But why be impressed with a little puddle jump like Neptune? (OK so I'm a big fat geek -SHUT UP!)
A thought occurred to me while watching Enterprise, no human could have written this. Enterprise must have been written by computer! Some secret monolithic supercomputer like HAL 9000 must be churning out script after script based on everything that has come before in the Star Trek universe sort of mashed together with plots from General Hospital. Or perhaps some of his less sophisticated brethren say, a cluster of X86 PCs or something. But no, it must have been the stable of "I wanna write a cool SCI-FI novel but I'm stuck writing schlock for Paramount at 60 cents a word!" gang. HAL's characters would have been MUCH more imaginative and polite! "I'm sorry Captain Archer, this series serves no useful purpose. The engines must explode in 5 seconds, 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 - (BOOM)."
OK, neat Idea! Lets show the early days of Starfleet and the creation of the Federation. How does "Enterprise" fulfill this? Frankly it doesn't. Enterprise is just a Voyager clone which was a meld of Lost in Space set to Deep Space 9 which was a less mobile clone of Next-Gen which is a late 80s port of a bunch of Star Trek movies which were themselves based on Star Trek of the late 1960s- get the idea kiddies? You cannot echo something endlessly and keep it fresh and original. Star Trek itself was based on the Hornblower stories of CS Forrester with a little bit of Rawhide tossed in for good measure. Star Trek was fresh and original for it's time, especially since it's only competition was the excrusiatingly-bad-unless-you-are-under-the-age-o
The point is that the military ship discovering exotic and alien settings has been done, and done and done.. just by Paramount alone. It's not interesting any more - leave it alone. Good grief did anyone over in that Star Drek boiler-room even SEE Babylon 5? Are any of those folks aware of Buffy? Does Earth Two ring a bell? How about Earth Final Conflict? OK, so not all of these are exactly memorable but they were original in the same that Star Trek was for it's time and exactly the way Enterprise is not.
On this new Good-Ship-Loly- pop we find. A rather cheeky Captain who doesn't seem to be too interested in taking orders. If'n I were some admiral in Star Fleet I would have this bloke doing nothing more risky than counting cans of non-skid. But, interstellar diplomat to a bunch of knobby headed aliens with their own STAR EMPIRE??? Are you high? Or, how about the surly Vulcan who just happens to be holding the "babe" spot on the ship. Or what about the "screamer-translator" who is keeping Uhura's role alive? ("Captain, I'm frightened AHH do you think this ship is safe? EEEEK that's a mouse!"). Add to this a bunch of wussy collage boys and a dog...A DOG for gosh sake! And the cap TALKS TO THE DOG for plot exposition (AGGGGGG!) "Hey Fido, do you think I should blow those aliens away or be nice to them?.....pee on their leg? Hmmmm..."
And, what's this? The Earth contacted the Klingons right off the bat? Anyone remember that the Klingons were the bad guys in the original Star Trek? "Think of the Mongol Horde with spaceships and ray guns" wrote David Gerald in one of his books. I guess Archer and his buds better high-tail it home and start building weapons because the Klingons have a huge head-start in the space warfare department and THEY aren't going to think twice about blasting old Earth, just four days away at warp 4. Spain did this job in the new world with a boatload of out of work solders and it took them almost a year to get there- ONE WAY!
How about this "Neptune and back in six minutes!" comment or the "I can get the Klingon back home in 4.5 days". Now, Neptune is something like 4,312,000,000,000 KM from Earth or 32-29 Astronomical Units. Lets see, a light year is about 63240 AUs, a trip to Neptune takes 3 minutes at warp 4.5 or so - (OK I'm implying that they were talking about the ships top speed). The Klingon home world was said to be 4.5 days away which strangely enough is exactly the time it would take the Enterprise, at (I'm assuming) warp 4.5 to get to uh,
This brings me to bad writing and the single reason why I pretty much stopped watching Star Trek about half way through DS9. Very simply, the writing is just awful! The plots tend to plod along, suspended only by incessant techno-babble. It's also full of people having sex with aliens, (about as likely as someone having sex with a dolphin and don't tell me, I know that some people do! (yick)). I'm sorry but, a species that evolved on a different planet would probubly find it very difficult to communicate easy concepts like "food go here!" Deep personal relationships between aliens are unlikely and would probably be pretty messy ("you eat WHAT after intercourse?). Remember the Centauri on Babylon 5? Look like humans, act like humans, (sort of) but have 6 set of genitalia each. Make love to one? Flipper would be preferable! And on B5 those folks were the CLOSEST race to the humans. The BO of some of the aliens on that station could kill. Makes one wonder why they had them around at all and oh ya, they have ray guns and spacecraft too.
"But, deep personal relationships are what the viewing public wants" intones the moguls at Paramount. No, what the public wants is novelty, pure and simple. Interspecies relationships were explored in that other Star Trek TV show, you know back in the 1960s! If they wanted deep personal relationships than they would tune into endless reruns of Little House on the Prairie or 30-Something which would be 50-something by now. The people who grew up on Star Trek in the 1960s also grew up on the works of Clark, Asimov Heinlein, Herbert, and a host of others. HEY! many of the original Star Trek scripts were written by PUBLISHED SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS!!! Well-known people like Larry Niven wrote several of the animated shows even!
Might this be clue to Paramount? Star Trek is still fun to watch even 30 years later. Can anyone say that about Voyager? I bet no one will say this about Enterprise in 2032! Perhaps it's time to ditch the Star Trek writers stable or take the Star Trek Insta-plot program (tm) off line and seek some talented writers for a change.
Is that too much to ask boys and girls? I guess it is!
Gee_Pee
September 27 2001
I'm sorry, but to me it seemed to s#ck from the word "engage".
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"The series could have revolved around Wesley Crusher."
Jesus Christ, man, are you daft?! What if a network exec sees that post and thinks "hmm...". I'm all for free speech, but I'd have been happier if you'd indulged you love of pain by yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
Chalk it up to experience, and don't do that again!
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You have to admit that in context with the camera angles and pauses and whatnot, the overall effect was not entirely platonic. There is a reason, you know, that Tucker and T'Pol were arguing while scantily clad in a very cold decon room, as opposed to in the corridor or a briefing room.
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You're right. I retract my earlier comment. Can you tell I have no actual parenting experience?
Thank you for correcting my ignorance.
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Wow, that worked really well...excellent job. Send that to Paramount!
Hm. This late in the discussion, I doubt anybody will ever see this, but he was right. Belief in the the existence of god(s) or goddess(es) is not the same as a belief in a religion. A religion is typically a collection of beliefs and practices, to which a particular group adheres. It is certainly possible to believe in dieties and spirituality, without subscribing to a pre-formed set of ideas.
This is something like saying that if you are not part of a bowling league, then you aren't actually bowling.
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comments that is.
certainly not the year, if that is what you thought i may have been talking about.