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You will likely notice a variety of changes in the comments system if you
are logged in.
Most of these changes surround the new 'Zoo' system which implements (among
other things) a sort of killfile function, and much more. Logged in
users have the ability to flag each other as Friends or Foes, and
assign bonuses and penalties appropriately. So if a user annoys you,
you can easily not read their comments any more. If you notice any
bugs, feel free to submit them or let krow or me know.
New code. Coolness. Now where's that remove-double-posts feature? =)
Look out Usenet, here we come!
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Won't YOU be my neighbor?
I dunno... it's late.
Alrighty, now will all of the trolls please post something on this story (non-anonymously) so that we can all mark you as foes?
Thanks.
click here
-AC.
bugs in slashdot? nah.
Cmdr Taco,
Can you please explain what the implications of the friend/foe/neutral system mean? I've noticed the icon over the past few hours, but have no idea what will happen to me, or my friend or fo, if I so mark them.
So please, more details.
Thanks!
Jordan
In English : "Better is Good's foe".
:
See that grey pearl besides your comment's details ?
click on it
Slashdot Friend/Foe System
So how do you perceive Cmdr Taco ?
So how do you perceive cyborg_monkey ?
So how do you perceive Klerck ?
So how do you perceive Jon Katz ?
...
Friend
Neutral
Foe
Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it can and will be used against you.
Do you mean I may get sacked if I happen to feel some sympathy for some of the trolls ?
I believe this is a little dangerous unless we have the guarantee that you are trustworthy enough to use this.
Until then, well... Everybody is my friend.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
+2 comment bonus. Karma: 25
Capping out the system. Karma: 50
Jon Katz, Foe, -5. Priceless
I wonder if I can killfile Timothy... this way I won't get duplicate articles anymore! :)
Want to know someone's friends or foes? Do the following:
1) Make them your friend
2) Click on the words 'friends' across from them
One can easily browse who's friend is whose.
Hosting for Creators: http://rpg-works.net
Hey, Fr1st friend.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Now if only the registration script would actually e-mail me my password...
Please fix this! I've been trying to register forever. My e-mail address is correctly entered, but your script is simply not sending me any e-mail.
You've done an outstanding job of making it difficult, if not impossible for the people who are running slashdot "light" to mark a person a friend or foe. Could we have a bit more description of these features please? :)
when was the last time you gave out *your* slashdot name to someone you knew rl?
why must there be a pustule popping out of every comment. grey puss, green puss, red puss. Can we turn it off entirely?
Maybe it's just me, but this really seems to go against the basic idea of a forum like /.
To me this sort of environment is supposed to be a sea of conflicting viewpoints and brash arguments. Trolls tend to already be taken care of to an extent by the current moderation abilities, and to an extent flamewars tend to fall below filter level.
But with the ability to assign "Friend or Foe" you essentially gain the ability to make the No-Mans-Land of the comments into an area that only reflects your own views and opinions. Granted it might take a while, and will very likely never completely kill dissenting opinion, but a pretty self-supporting environment can still be made.
The closest analogy I can think of would be a hardcore conservative listening to 24 hours of Rush Limbaugh (Not sure who would be a good example for a Liberal stance, so I won't list them. ). Sure they can do it, but in doing so they cut themselves off from the other viewpoints and opinions that might provoke some thought in what they believe in.
'Life is like a spoonful of Drain-O, it feels good on the way down but leaves you feeling hollow inside'
Slashdot editors announced today the addition of new, ground-breaking features to their SlashCode system, which is the heart of their article and comment system.
Among the changes are new features such as:
How about something where I can report trolls? That would be a great feature to add into Slashdot.
Also, how about a place for dumped stories where people can see what has been rejected.
They prepare it with foe-ification code. Wow :)
At least I can kill a few known Trolls with my... um, our new power.
Whoohoo!
"Wireless : LAN
After years of playing games with my Karma (intentionally tolling a few days just to see how many points I could lose and how long it would take to get them back, etc.), I have finally been growing tired of posting to Slashdot...
...and along comes zoos and fan clubs to play with! Woot! My productivity at work has officially flatlined as of now!
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
I'm more curious about the little yellow squares that seem to be appearing at the upper left of the story headlines.
It's new, and from a purely aesthetic standpoint, it's hideous and distracting. It sticks out like... well, not a green thumb, because a green thumb would fit in. A yellow thumb then.
Why are they there, anybody? I don't think I'm trolling, I'm just curious. The problem is that if they serve a function, then I'll probably have to live with seeing them to use them; if they don't, and they're purely for looks, then they're probably not something one can turn off.
Man. This just goes to show you how picky a person can be over something they get for free.
I understand the intent of this feature, but really see no need for it with the ability of a user to post anonymous. Of course anonymous posting should stick around imo. But let's say for instance I hate mwmseeksbillgates and add him to my ban list. What stops mwmseeksbillgates from posting as an anonymous user? With mwmseeksbillgates on my ban list, I will continue to view messages from him (maybe he'll use the same signature or post the same type of messages I'll despise... though mwmseeksbillgates is not listed as the user who posted the message; the satanic content remains).
I don't see the point of this new feature --- too many loopholes exist.
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
Does this mean there is a way to beat people up on /. now?
After all, we know who's popular!
I use the bare bones text version of slashdot, and I haven't noticed any kind of flagging system...then again, it could just be that i'm blind.
Just checking.
Michael C. Hollinger
I'm an anonymous coward.
So there.
to show who has what relationship with me.
Right beside their name when I am logged in.
- - - - - - - - - - -
I am a programmer. I am paid to produce syntax not grammar. Deal with it.
I noticed in the "Comments" section of the user preferences there is now a "Reason Modifier" section. This is great! I can finally ignore all the +5 Funny comments.
the ignore system? Meaning, if I choose to ignore "anonymous coward", am I still going to get stuck reading AC crapflooding because AC isn't an actual *User*?
I also worry about the implications of your choices "being used against you". What if you think a particular troll is consistently funny, and a particular columnist (?!?!) is particularly profound...are you going to be sent to karmic-death-hell simply for having a sense of humor?
I think all regular users have seen moderation abuse (-1 redundant of me here?); I don't see this as actually HELPING the situation one bit.
Besides that; this is a *news* site. Who on earth has *friends* here? That's what yahoo messenger is for, AFAIK.
If you try to be your own friend, they tell you
Now I'm sad.dominionrd.blogspot.com - Restaurants on
I set all my friends to neutral, and /. told me:
You are alone in the world.
I thought I was amoungst my own here!
I thought I was accepted!
Loved even!
Will no one be my friend?
I do believe that the actual intention for this is that you will tend to like certain people's comments more than others'. This way if you like something that you read, you can mark it good. And next time they have a comment in a thread you are reading, you will notice it and read it (meaning you will also spend more time here...hehe, as if you don't do that already). Also, this will help you ignore all those goat posts, grin. It basically will show everything, I assume, with a +1, -1 (or more if you can vote someone friend more than once?).
I like the idea, but I don't really understand how this is not kept private. Because me making all the "FP'ers" foe's will come back to haunt me? My opinion is made public when I make a comment, not when I read another's. I don't understand why that is so just yet, but I'm sure there is some reason for it.
"Time is long and life is short, so begin to live while you still can." -EV
Come on... You know you want to let us kill all the AC's out there at the click of a button. =)
-Jayde
What's a sig?
althought it is an hostile rant, some parts of it does make some sense.
;)
"It's gonna be like an interactive nerd soap opera"
i like the way it's said
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Killswitch
I have a question that I couldn't find in the FAQ - I hope this is an okay place to ask:
When/how do you get moderator points? I've been on slashdot for months, my karma is currently 48, but I've never been able to moderate. The "willing to moderate" button is checked in my preferences.
Can someone please enlighten me as to how this works? I feel kinda dumb for asking this - if someone can point me to the docs I missed, I'd appreciate it.
If I remember correctly, the UID# for AC is 666. I tried to set the friend/foe for AC. The result? A message stating that that isn't an option. Obviously coded for that specific effect. But I happen to agree with the premise.
Is this the same code that runs Slashdot?
Yes. Slashdot and Slashcode are usually running the latest development code from CVS, within a week or so.
If this is business as usual then we can expect to see a new release file announced at slashcode within a week or so. So the obvious question is, "Is this business as usual?"
Seastead this.
after playing with the reason modifer for a couple minutes, I noticed this bug (yes I already sent out an email):
I altered the "reason modifier" in my user preferences such that Funny comments got rated -1. The modifer is being applied correctly to "Funny" comments, but the comments are not being sorted correctly. That is, a +4 Funny shows up above a +5 Interesting. It seems to me the comments are being sorted and *then* the modifier is being applied, but I would think it should be done the other way around.
My comment viewing settings are:
Threshold = 2, nested, and highest score first.
Slash is starting to turn into a game of d&d. Before you know it I'll have a 'character alignment' based on how people percieve me.
He who writes the most good things about Linux, gets immunity. First reward challenge winner will get a 'New Body Art - Wearable Wireless Device' butt plug with built-in, ah, view cam. :p
I stand before you tonight asking myself one question! "What does 'Foe' mean?". I, being a blithering fool, have a limited vocabulary and cannot define this word. Now 'Friend' on the other hand, I am aware of it's meaning. A friend is someone who beats you up prior to school and confiscates your lunch allowance. I had several friends throughout my childhood, all of whom took great joy at depriving me of a wholesome mid-day meal. Thankfully today, within my fortress of solitude, I am impervious to such attacks and have all my meals delivered to me by this fantastic 'Meals on Wheels' service. Both a clever name, and a pleasant dining experience. However, i was unaware, untill just now, that these 'Friends' have penetrated my computer! Whatever shall I do!? This tragic turn of events mimmics the tradgedy that befell me not more than 7 years ago when my Television Set was invaded by 'Friends'. Six 20-somethings that every Thursday evening conspire to keep me from my salsbury steak. I have written countless letters to Her Majesty but she is yet to reply. I fear her delay in correspondence would be due mal-nutrition brought about by a similar invasion of 'Friends'.
On a final note, I urge you to reconsider your addition of 'Friends' and 'Friendliness' and 'Friendlies' to your periodical. As for 'Foes', i beleive that any enemy of 'Friends' is a commrade of mine. Thank you.
Good work otherwise. Miaow.
Forget this web-board with limited filtering business, I want a Slashdot-to-Usenet gateway. Just think, all you'd have to do is point your favourite news reader (i.e. tin) at nntp.slashdot.org and post away. The bandwidth savings over this heavyweight html+graphics crap would alone be worth it, while the ability to choose your own client program with its own interface and filtering rules would be even better.
The scary thing is that this could probably be done in a reasonable way. Articles could map to newsgroups on the server (with new ones appearing daily and old ones disappearing). Since comments are threaded anyways, this should transfer across directly. And as long as the slashdot username and password are required for accessing the NNTP server, there shouldn't be any real problems with unauthorized usage by spammers and such.
Oh well. Too bad most of the crowd here is too young to remember what usenet even is...
It's only software!
preferences -> comments -> anonymous modifier.
I believe it has the same effect.
that you can use the slashdot effect against a single user by posting one of those enemification links.
After all, there are enough users here that a dozen or two will end up making enemies after ignoring the slashcode warnings. I don't know about you, but having a single enemy could hurt my reputation and karma.
"Wireless : LAN
...and you STILL can't say "show me only messages I haven't already read".
YEssirree, kids, we're still DECADES behind Usenet.
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I noticed
It's getting about time to leave everywhere
Once all the so-called trolls (really crapflooders) have been banned, people will use this system as a way to ignore people. Basically, it will create the downfall of free speech (not beer) on slashdot, as the less popular opinions die as they are slowly neg-sixed. There are some benefits to this system, but one must be careful.
What mother of an SQL statement are you running to get these posts to display?
Gotta be some kind of a record.
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charlton heston is more of a man than yo
People without a login will come here and see his MSFUD comments at '0', with no opposing comments, and assume that they might therefore have some validity? god help us..!
455fe10422ca29c4933f95052b792ab2
what about evildoers,at least try to jump on the bandwagon..
So if I see a comment posted by someone and I think to myself "Asshole!" Then I click on the *gumdrop* in the header of the message to mark him forever as such?
Why a gum drop? Or is it a robot nipple? Whatever it is, it looks lickable. Its not blue, like Apple's Aqua interface, but it does look like the platinum "theme" in Mac OS X.
Perhaps we can find a more meaningful button? Maybe a text link would work well.
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
Can I set Anon Cowards to foe?? :-)
Most of us here on
I find it downright ludicrous that to date, Slashdot has NO SECURE LOGIN.
[if you have one, then it's too well-hidden].
Make no mistake - I do not want my login password sent as cleartext.
It makes life too miserable.
For those with no HTTPS support, an unsecured login option should be provided,
but the secure one should be the default [or prominently displayed].
Much of Slashdot's pages teems with TABLE tags and other assorted formatting crap.
This drastically increases download and rendering times, and our ISP is only too happy
to charge us for it [money saved == more pr0n!].
Most users' browsers do not need this backward-compatibility kludge anymore,
as they use IE [what fools these mortals be!], Mozilla, Konqueror, Opera or NS6.x.
Use browser sniffing, then send pure, strict XHTML + CSS for formatting,
thus encouraging the luddites to switch to Mozilla!
[Good part is, the pages will still render well on text browsers like Lynx, Links etc.
Or they could be served the TABLE'd pages that NS 4.x & < should be served.]
That's all for now, folks. Any more suggestions? Feel free to tack them on.
set thread_growable TRUE
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
cool new set of features
9 21 5
...but does it fix the RDF patent infringement?
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/04/011
:)
JonKatz is all alone in the world.
http://slashdot.org/~JonKatz/friends
Finally! I knew there were politics about.
If this feature takes off, I'd like to see a "distributed affinity" system implemented, similar to Google's PageRank system. If I call a particular poster a friend, then anyone whom they call a friend gets an X% boost in my ranking, anyone they call a friend gets an X/100 boost, and so on.
That way, after I've picked a certain number of people (100/X, actually) as friends, and they all like another poster I've never noticed before, he'll automagically have the same status with me that they all do.
Foe rankings would work the same way, but is the foe of my friend necessarily my foe, and is the foe of my foe necessarily my friend? Automatically assigning points based on those assumptions would probably not be useful.
Possible Senario; a frequent reader and sometimes moderator decides this is a great system and starts flaging all the trolls. Then one day it is called on to him to start moderating and he goes forth and mods up interesting and mods down the inappropriate.
/. moderated properly.
But something different happens here: a lot of the inappropriate messages are already filtered for him. Consequently it take regular readers longer to have their
Yes I realize that the moderator is supposed to view all messages but we are dealing with the real world hear- not an ideal world. The present moderation system works well right now in the real world- and this new system will probably not break it- but it may slow it.
Slashdot Friend/Foe System
Sorry, this is not an option.
Can't make your self your own friend or foe
What you should do now is to let people's friend/foe lists build up for a while; once they've gotten complex enough, make a digraph of the friend/foe relationships, and sell posters.
It probably would look cooler than those internet map posters I see Thinkgeek advertise from time to time - plus there would be the added fun of trying to find your node in the graph!
Hey, this is neat, and may prove useful. For the moment, however, I'd like to turn off the gumdrops, no matter how cute they are.
Maybe an option somewhere in my Comments Preferences should let me turn off the friend / foe system, just like that OSDN Navbar.
Michael C. Hollinger
One can respect a foe, and look forward to reading his or her messages.
The people I want to score down are the Fools and the Trolls, whom I don't want to honor with the label "Foe".
Ok... So how do you do it?
Kewl d00d! Now can I ignore Anonymous Coward?
Well in the moderation system some things are to be improved:
-Seperate setting for doing moderations. I'd like my treshold lower when moderating to scan for AC gems. (or to search for trolls that are not trolls, but are meant funny)
-Some (don't know how) system to mod up late good posters. The problem with the current system is early on topic posters get modded up, but a 4 hour late gem has a very slim change to be modded up.
-Some filters for capitals in subject "RIGHT NOW" 8-)
Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it can and will be used against you.
Sheesh! It's amazing what too much of IANAL stuff can do to you
That's funny, I thought slashdot was already a zoo of flamers, spammers, trolls, and karma whores.
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
So, how does "friend/foe" classification affect moderation? If I mark someone as a foe, and I have moderation points, does it still have the same effect?
btw, I hope I got my affect and effect correct
I think the classification needs to be Friend,Foe and Jon Katz.......
/. has to implement Moderation of stories also if we have to have any improvements
,so to speak.
Seriously ,
and we also need a story queque where Moderators/readers vote which story gets on the front page
Wanted : A Signature.
Why don't the slashcoders try to fix the horrible, mangled HTML first, before they try to add "coolness" features? Maybe they can't. Go read this:
http://www.macedition.com/cb/cb_20011203.php
any one else ?
ERR 411[Max number of witty sigs reached]
I came up with these a while back...
- Possible meta-moderation of rejected stories. Let a certain amount of users (controlled in the same fashion as moderators) decide if a certain story is worthy of a second look. If it gets accepted and rejected for a second time, it will not get meta-moderated again.
- Let those who end up getting their story rejected moved to their journal if they're a registered user. Make that an option in their preferences or in the submit story submission page.
- Allow users to ignore posts made by Anonymous Cowards. In some cases, these people are just idiotic trolls who just waste time posting their crap here, but there are the odd times that the Anon. Coward is actually posting something useful or something not moronic. If that coward gets moderated up, then that ignore feature can be defeated.
That is all I got to say.alias /slashdot {
/aecho { echo 14 -ai2 $timestamp $1- }
/slashdot.xml HTTP/1.0
;aecho $1-
i mage,$chr(41))
aecho Checking out Slashdot Stories.
aecho
sockopen slashdot slashdot.org 80
}
alias
on 1:sockopen:slashdot: {
sockwrite -n slashdot GET
sockwrite -n slashdot Accept: */*
sockwrite -n slashdot Connection: close
sockwrite -n slashdot User-Agent: $+(Slashread/,1.0) (compatible; Windows $os $+ ; $+(mIRC,$bits) $version $+ )
sockwrite -n slashdot Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
sockwrite -n slashdot $crlf
}
on 1:sockread:slashdot: {
sockread -n %socktmp
tokenize 32 %socktmp
unset %socktmp
if ($left($1,9) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.title $remove($1-,,,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,7) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.url $remove($1-,,,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,8) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.time $remove($1-,,,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,11) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.section $remove($1-,,,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,9) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.image $remove($1-,topic,,$chr(9),.gif,.jpg) }
if ($left($1,10) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),)) { set %slashdot.author $remove($1-,,,$chr(9)) }
if ($1 == $+($chr(9),)) {
aecho $+(,%slashdot.title,) $+($chr(40),%slashdot.section,$chr(44),%slashdot.
aecho Posted by $+(,%slashdot.author,) on $+(,%slashdot.time,)
aecho $+(12,%slashdot.url,12,)
aecho
}
}
alias /slashdot {
/aecho { echo 14 -ai2 $timestamp $1- }
/slashdot.xml HTTP/1.0
;aecho $1-
i mage,$chr(41))
aecho Checking out Slashdot Stories.
aecho
sockopen slashdot slashdot.org 80
}
alias
on 1:sockopen:slashdot: {
sockwrite -n slashdot GET
sockwrite -n slashdot Accept: */*
sockwrite -n slashdot Connection: close
sockwrite -n slashdot User-Agent: $+(guIRC/,1.0) (compatible; Windows $os $+ ; $+(mIRC,$bits) $version $+ )
sockwrite -n slashdot Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
sockwrite -n slashdot $crlf
}
on 1:sockread:slashdot: {
sockread -n %socktmp
tokenize 32 %socktmp
unset %socktmp
if ($left($1,9) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<title>)) { set %slashdot.title $remove($1-,<title>,</title>,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,7) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<url>)) { set %slashdot.url $remove($1-,<url>,</url>,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,8) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<time>)) { set %slashdot.time $remove($1-,<time>,</time>,$chr(9)) }
if ($left($1,11) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<section>)) { set %slashdot.section $remove($1-,<section>,</section>,$chr( 9)) }
if ($left($1,9) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<image>)) { set %slashdot.image $remove($1-,<image>topic,</image>,$chr (9),.gif,.jpg) }
if ($left($1,10) == $+($chr(9),$chr(9),<author>)) { set %slashdot.author $remove($1-,<author>,</author>,$chr(9) ) }
if ($1 == $+($chr(9),</story>)) {
aecho $+(,%slashdot.title,) $+($chr(40),%slashdot.section,$chr(44),%slashdot.
aecho Posted by $+(,%slashdot.author,) on $+(,%slashdot.time,)
aecho $+(12,%slashdot.url,12,)
aecho
}
}
Awesome!
At http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=editcomm
I can set:
Funny: -6
I can finally filter all the Groucho Marx lamer wannabes out of my comments. Schweet.
Software Wars
Like the posted comments stops at 24 (weird number).
Click the "Submit Story" link over on the left and see if your story is still there. I've got three rejected stories sitting in there, the oldest being from June. The one accepted story that I had a couple of months ago fell off User Info awhile ago.
which makes each /. article appear as a newsgroup, with the comments being the messages in the group.
/. changes format.
Unfortunately, one has to run the CVS version of Gnus for this to work, since it does it by parsing the html, and need to be updated each time
It could be part of the "added value" you get, if you pay for a /. subscription.
I decided to check the listing for Jon Katz. /. for movie reviews, so I'm not particularly familiar with him myself, but it's hard to miss all the comments maligning him all over the place.
I don't read
As of the moment he has 6 fans (people how list him as a friend) and 10 PAGES (at 1024x768) of freaks (people who list him as a foe).
-
- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Do you see a little circle icon beside people's user#?, click on that and it will allow you to set the stuff.
You must be logged it to do that of course.
kawai
Oops, I just noticed that the blackened piece of umbilical cord that used to be attached to my belly button is gone, too! These bugs are more widespread than I thought!
That's my way of saying that I spoke too quickly about the submission history 'bug.' Apparently, Slash is wired to make those listings go away after a fortnight. Duh.
Sorry for crying [beo]wulf.
What I want in the fps genre - is a game that forces me to SLOW DOWN from time to time.
Like when there isn't a chance winning over the bad guys just by shooting alone. I don't want puzzles. I want a straight forward game but one that makes me crawl, sneak och use other stealthy progressions. Sound and Vision.
I believe Thief was the first to accomplish this, in full. But otherwise, you can blow a handgrenade two rooms away and the baddies don't understand a shi*. I hope, with the aid of 3D sound technologies emerging this could lend some really cool problems with baddies.
From what I have understood it may also be possible to sneak around in the real time dynamic light shadows. DOOM3 looks promising in this respect. Thief used static light. Imagine... Ok! Imagine using the shadows of a by-passing vehicle to get closer. THAT demands skill! And, if it is quiet, then YOU better be quiet as well.
FPS rulez...
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Sorry, but I had to.
Slash is starting to turn into a game of d&d. Before you know it I'll have a 'character alignment' based on how people percieve me.
Yeehaw! Can I be a Chaotic Stupid Half-Troll?
But?! How do I get rid of that Anonymous Coward?
CmdrTaco is stealing Jobs marbles from OSX
EEK!
Internet Explorer 6.0
Looks a bit misplaced.Mozilla 0.9.2
To those of you who are unaware, you can go to your config page (http://slashdot.org/~username), go into "Homepage" and select "light" to get a version of slashdot that's light on tables, images and such. Anyway, I don't see anything on the light pages analogous to the little icon the "heavy" pages are getting.
while you're at it, don't forget to visit this NYT Forum, reg. req., where billygates' paid2post pr bots continue (for 5 years now) to MiSinform J. Public/the unwashed. 'course they (NYT) only have 7 million subscribers being MiSled, all day, every day.
y'all's head in the sand approach to the general public, is almost as bad as my, delete the felonious fuddites one. In case you haven't noticed, IT's not just about writing better code (you're already doing a good job of that). leave the 'jus folks to find out on their own, & they never will. last night the shills were going on again about how o-s code/linux is stolen ip. whatever. happy gnu year. may be yOUR last if you don't think like the crooks whoare determined to delete you, as you venture to believe you're creating an atmosphere of cooperation/co-existence with dammned.
best,
The small band of Hobbyist Whiners et al
I knew that php-nuke is a nice web-portal. Do you guys have any comment between these two systems
We've been using postnuke (kind of the same thing) since mid
It's relatively easy to install, & one can use several instances on a single server. we're hoping to get some help to modify/adapt it to medical inf. systems, &/or retail apps, for some of our customers. I'd do it myself, but my brain's gone mush from fighting the endless 'war on fud', as the kingdumb disallows use of GPLed code.
It would be good if you had a page where you could see who had put YOU on THEIR friends/foes list.
What good is a friend/foe if you dont know they are out there?
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, thats what I say.
"So there he is, risen from the dead. Like that fella, E. T." - Father Ted Crilly
How about an update to Slash which means we don't have the entire front page being in italics every week? Even diary scripts can automatically close tags now, why not this amazing system? Easy feature to add...
mogorific carpentry experiments
I must say that I am pleased as punch with this update, as it gives me my most desired /. feature. It's a little roundabout, but I can do it now! I personally hate all of the idiots who accumulate lots of karma and post at +1. It drives me freeping nuts. Why? Because they post drivel so much. I wish that /. made you spend your karma to give yourself +1, so that you couldn't do it perpetually unless you kept getting modded back up. Alternatively, I wish that I could ignore the +1 self moderation. Basically, I only want to read the posts that have gotten some kind of positive moderation, but I never wanted to nix the people who only get modded to +2 just to avoid the +1 posters.
So, now, with the moderation customization, I give all the positive moderation types +1, and set my filter at +3. Bingo! I have filtered out all of those lame +1 posters. Happy Day!
Bravo
n/t
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Actually, I found it to be pretty useless. Just marked Klerk as a foe, assigned a -1 penality to foes, and... Ikes,the page still displays the "Page lenghtener posts"... what the fsck is this? The comments cannot go below -1? pretty useless for me then, since I like to read at Raw&Uncut -1 but some annoying crap like the PLPs and PWPs pisses me off.
``If a program can't rewrite its own code, what good is it?'' - Mel
And everyone will see things that agree with them and therefore they will KNOW even more certainly that they are the best and the brightest and the future of this planet dammit.
I think this is a bad idea. It is easy enough to skip past the moron posts, but what if I killfile someone who is just having a bad day, and who (I won't see it) comes up with a real gem tomorrow, some thing that could have made me think, see another point of view...
President George W. Bush Marks Osama bin Laden as Foe, bin Laden Suddenly Disappears
WASHINGTON, DC -- Today, President George W. Bush, taking a cue from the New and Improved (C)(TM)(R) Slashcode at slashdot.org, promptly identified Osama bin Laden as a personal "Foe" (despite warnings that his decision to do so "can and will be used against him"), a rating that carries with it an invincible -6 moderation. Osama bin Laden then proceeded to immediately disappear off the face of the Earth, never to be heard from again.
Want Linux games? HERE.
Jokes are very hard to understand. I had a simular experience like yours a few weeks ago. THe subject was "MAKE MONEY FAST" on a topic on spam. Did get 3 troll/oftopic moderations in no time.
By the way, the smily in "RIGHT NOW" 8-) should have warned you this was meant as funny as well. I hope you got that.
billwg - 10:17pm Jan 3, 2002 EST (#8201 of 8202)
And those who program, distribute, and buy Linux on a charity basis are "cheapskates?"
Oh not everyone certainly! Some are intellectual property thieves! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Which are you, veebeeboy? HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
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billwg - 08:03pm Jan 3, 2002 EST (#8194 of 8202)
convicted, felonious racketeers from redmond
Tough luck, little harry! No such folk in Redmond. Washington, that is! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
how about paid deceivers
Are you really stupid enough to believe that there are any? How about the tooth fairy? Santa Claus? The Great Pumpkin? HAHAHAHAHAHA! What a clueless twit you must be!
Because the U.S. government has all but signed the lax settlement agreement with Microsoft, it is now up to the people to fight the company's abusive monopoly with a boycott of its products.
Careful there, little harry! It's pretty well established that you and the linux crowd are fundamentally cheapskates and intellectual property thieves, but organized boycotts are a flirtation with commercial code violations and can cost you some real bucks! I'm sure Mr. Bill wouldn't bother with you, but there's no telling about Ballmer! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Microsoft is liable for antitrust violations. This was determined by the U.S. courts under Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and was upheld on appeal. It is therefore a legal fact according to our government, and is akin to a law.
Not very accurate from a legal point of view, but then I know you're trying as hard as you can!
Microsoft illegally used its monopoly position to influence the entire industry, vindictively punishing its competitors with the company's vast financial resources and power.
Not so, according to the DCCCOA. Have you any proof of this?
Many believe that the company has harmed (or destroyed) some of the most innovative companies in recent history, including Apple, Lotus, Corel, Novell, IBM, Netscape and Real -- along with hundreds more.
Well, people are free to believe what they will. Personally, I think that I have been harmed financially by Time-Warner and AOL due to their predatory monopoly on TV cable service in my area. Can I sue?
The Redmond giant has a long history of stifling competitors' superior products through questionable business tactics.
Yeah! They say, "Wouldn't you rather use Windows than that POS Linux?". The penguins say that's unfair because everyone keeps saying "you betcha!" to Mr. Bill and ignores the "superior product" (so they say, anyway) every time. Except for the veebeeboy, who's still on the fence (he says, but I think he's just shilling!).
As the company's market power increased, Microsoft's business tactics became ever more reprehensible.
Yeah! They started offering discounts!
Even today, the quality of Microsoft software rarely [see also; never] matches that of its ?competitors?. The technical merits and security of the Linux operating system, for example, far exceed that of Microsoft's Windows servers."
Oh, well if you say so! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We need to have an official source of such technical merit decisions, I think! Let's ask somebody! Who shall it be?
BTW, little harry, what is the highest quality module in the Linux source? Can you show how that it higher than the equivalent part of Windows? No? Well, OK!
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I don't like that - user, he always posts things and I have to meta-moderate him :oP
He will be my #1 foe.
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I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
http://slashdot.org/~JonKatz/fiends is the actual link.
That's great! Aqua buttons!
I think that Apple will be very happy to see this.
-=-=-=-=
I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
I'd like an option to post at any lower score. The option to decline my +1 bonus is useful, but occasionally being able to post at zero (without having to go Anonymous) or even -1 could be handy.
:)
Why? Five minutes ago I responded to an AC at score zero. I felt it required a rebuttal, but I didn't feel my response should waste the time of anyone who never saw the post I was responding to. I really didn't want to post anonymously, but it was the only way to get my score to zero. There is no way to post at -1 (if you want to respond to a -1 scored comment).
Choosing to post at a lower score is a form of courtesy to other readers.
Oh yeah, and how bad would the server load be for a spellcheck option in the comment preview?
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
So, the obvious question is if an affinity system is a good thing or not.
.. posts one doesn't like) could be accommodated without removing posts. The upside to this is that's allowed the discussions to scale, attracting more readers and posters without becoming a total mess. (and a crapflooder banner hit is the same income as any other banner hit)
Slashdot's moderation and filtering system ended up having the side-effect of encouraging different "zoos" within it's readerbase, because unlike other webboard software, 'trolling' (however you define it
An affinity system would really take this to the next level. By using it, you can read exactly the slashdot that you want to read, and the crapflooders can read exactly the slashdot they want to read without some informative posts emerging above their thresholds. Combined with multiple account tracking and central trusted/untrusted user lists (for example, the editor's friends and foes), and you have a very sophisticated automated system of filtering. This could really improve discussion quality, and allow slashdot to scale even a larger user base.
But it also magnifies the big problem with the moderation system, where groupthink and being agreeable tends to score you points. Now, much like a politician smiling and shaking hands while delivering his message, your posts now will gain you "friends" (or enemies). Fine. But, an affinity system would allow "parties" to form along particular political lines, where people could be reading only what's agreeable to them - "Java Programmers", "Sysadmins", "Linux Advocates" (who would have a collective set of "MS astroturfer" foes), and so on.
Unlike your usual google search, there isn't a right answer to the question of "Is this the post I wanted to read?" (or there shouldn't be, at least). If one goes through the effort of making a post disagreeing with a point, you do so in the hope that people will read it and understand your point. That becomes pointless if there's a high likelihood that they've tuned you out due to your affiliations. (For the same reason that pure flamebait is pointless under the current system -- most people don't read below a certain score.)
I guess to sum up, there's a big difference between ranking posts by content versus who's saying it.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
When going to my 'Fans' page it says:
"You are either loved by all or just invisible."
Shouldn't this be changed to:
"You are either loved by nobody or just invisible."
since nobody have me added as their friends yet?
PLONK!
Error: PANTS NOT FOUND. Press <F1> to continue.
Topic: The Glories of Socialized Medicine
The Slashdot editors post their biased comments on the front page, in the articles...
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
you cannot moderate usenet postings. That would be a great usenet feature(if troll/spam proof).
They can flag your account if you have beeen moderating "badly" (whatever that means) so that you'll never be a moderator again.
editors have unlimited mod points to mod without any of the limitations or restrictions that regular users do. At least jamie has admitted this much.
Anonymous posting is not so anonymous. They can sort posts by IP, so essentially if you post anonymously on the same IP as a logged in users, they'll know.
Maybe you regular users don't know this, but the trolls have known about these things for awhile. Of course the editors won't tell you, because then the system doesn't seem so fair and equitable does it?
Considering how this is much like censorship by countries and religions
.
of the internet in that it can only helps to inspire defining different
camps.
Slashdot provides no easy way for the slashdot users (even thru Google)
to do a search for all comments by any one slashdot user. This of course
helps to prevent the slashdot users from getting a better view of anyone
slashdot user.
Now they are providing a way to killfile people or build walls between the
different camps.
Of course from all of this there is information being generated that the
slashdot users do not see or have access to.
There is also the difference between the active life time of a slashdot
article comment posting, and the unlimited lifetime of date time stamped
usenet archive postings. Recently some have pulled out message from long
ago and started responding to them, for fun and 20/20 hindsight.
Overall slashdot is applying more an more inherent constraints to what
value can be gotten by the users of slashdot.
Lawrence Lessig recently responded to Slashdot questions and many noted he
was somewhat hard on the slashdot users. This bothered me, as I know the
effort and time the slashdot users put into many of the responses is
actually "doing something" (as opposed to what Lawrence was claiming) of
productive value. The problem is the lask of there being a way for the
users to do review the thoughts and writtings of any one poster, so as to
get a better idea about them and their point of views, perhaps in the
bigger picture, see solutions they present. Only the ability to see the
bigger picture of them is not possible.
Now we have a friend, neutral, foe system on top of a moderating system
that has been written about regarding the positive value of how it works.
The Conference on Public Domain paper - "Coase's Penguin, or, Linux and te
Nature of the Firm"
What happened to the "if it's not broke, don't fix it?" practice or the
absense of walls in Open Source Software mindsets.
What slashdot should be doing instead, is making it easier for the
community of users to extract value in the way of being able to see bigger
picture perspectives, not narrower ones. Remove walls and barriers by
providing better public search engines of the slashdot archives. This way
it can help to develope the OSS directions.
But that's not what this is about, is it?
Friends of JonKatz
JonKatz is all alone in the world.
From a business perspective, this would be a beautiful marketing tool for Slashdot. The site could deliver marketing to self selected groups and affinities.
"Java Programmers", "Sysadmins", "Linux Advocates" (who would have a collective set of "MS astroturfer" foes
Everyone line up for your own abusive advertising!
Too bad the main page news item (for this thread) has lost a closing italics tag.
Christopher N Emmick
A good man, a better nerd.
Wait, nevermind. The lost italics tag occurs in the previous thread.
Christopher N Emmick
A good man, a better nerd.
I wonder if this function is going to be used much on /. or it will be taken out of the code in a week.
/. to cache linked pages to get rid of the awful slashdoteffect. Most people think the /.effect is cool. I think it's bad. The News or other Stuff that mattered can't be read and sometimes pages have to closed down temporarily or people even have to pay for the extra datatraffic their site being mentioned on /. created.
/. and is very well up to that task.
But what I would like to see added to the slashcode is some way for
Th simplest thing would be for all links in storyies (and the discussionboard) to be converted to point to the Google cache. Google itself is visited even more then
I've just noticed a bug in light mode -- when you only have 'old messages' the link around that message (on the index page) extends to the next line (left off an ? ) This doesn't occur when you have both new and old messages.
:)
Only cosmetic, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
deus does not exist but if he does
Seems that whenever someone picks you as a "Friend", you go on to his "Fans" list. It would be kinda cool if there were a way to know who has the biggest Fans list. Right now, a certain cleverly named person already has over a dozen.
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"Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
"Open source is evil." - Microsoft
once a troll's karma drops below a certain level he starts posting at 0 (and eventually at -1 i believe). so there is already a mechanism in place for this, it's a self correcting system.
-- john
i.e.
Interesting: +1
Funny: 0
Troll: -2
etc....
LOTP and OMS are a bit more questionable. People who only talks about a single issue tend are mostly kooks, and otherwise I usually agree or disagree with them depending on the issue. Also, it doesn't count for the people who posts facts rather than opinions.
Maybe starting from the moderation labels one would use as a generic description of the persons comments:
Troll (Troll)
Flamer (Flamebait[1])
Bore (Redundant)
Sage (Insightfull)
Docent (Informative)
Speaker (Interesting)
Ccomedian (Funny)
[1] I assume Taco means to write "Flame". Flamebait is the same as Troll.
What? No CowboyNeal Option?
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
I can't seem to make him my friend. Much like the unknown comic from the Gong Show whom I thought was a nice guy, you can't really get to know him until they take the bag off their head.
The above post is an editorial, the poster cannot and will not be held responsible for all or in part for it's contents
...to tell the database "The next time I return to this page, I don't want to see this comment, and I don't want to see the comments that reply to it."
send all spam to theotherwhitemeat@ropine.com
It occurs to me that this new feature could potential lead to the desire for two others.
First, if we can individually mark someone as
a foe then the next trend might be to create a
list of individuals that the community regards
as foes. The individuals could then choose to
subscribe to this list if they feel they have
common ground with the list maintainers. Thus
community blacklisting would arrive on the
internet (anyone intersted in copyrighting this?).
Of course today anyone who has a desire to attack
and defame the thoughts of others is going to post
as an Anonymous Coward. Thus the second desire could be to make everyone accountable for their
posts. This would, of course, require a "Forced
Login" feature.
I personally doubt that there are many members of
this online community that would sanction features
like these. Trends, however, start out as seemingly innocuous and small changes that over
time turn into something that is bigger and larger
than their meager beginnnings.
The question then would be: Are we heading down a path that diverges from the original intent of
a collaborative forum where there can be a free
exchange of ideas unencumbered by that hideous
beast called "censorship"?
If this feature takes off, I'd like to see a "distributed affinity" system implemented, similar to Google's PageRank system [google.com]. If I call a particular poster a friend, then anyone whom they call a friend gets an X% boost in my ranking, anyone they call a friend gets an X©/100 boost, and so on.
What you're saying is that you'd ilke to use Advogato. The term that you're looking for is a "distributed trust metric."
-Waldo Jaquith
The current pearl images are coded like this:
<img BORDER=0 SRC="//images.slashdot.org/neutral.gif" ALT="Alter Relationship">
It would be nice if they used the align tag to set properly in the line of text:
<img BORDER=0 SRC="//images.slashdot.org/neutral.gif" ALT="Alter Relationship" align="absmiddle">
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I'm just wondering... does the system disable itself when we get moderation points, so we can do our jobs looking at the entire available pool of posts, or does it continue to block out people we don't like?
My first thought, when seeing this new ability, was of course to add Anonymous Coward as a foe. But that's silly - just because some people troll is no reason to deny myself the ability to read some possibly insightful comments by others who can't or won't log in. If any named user is consistently trolling, he ought to simply be banned.
Now I'm thinking - okay, so marking people down is pointless, but marking them up can be quite useful, especially if we can start sorting article comments so high-rated friends go first... in essence, this is pretty much the exact same approach that I take when I moderate. I don't waste points downvoting, I use my votes to call attention to the good stuff. And so I shall do, with the friend system - if I like comments by people consistently, I want to be told when they have new stuff they've written.
Get off my launchpad!
If you had a few more degrees of friend or foe then and karma was applied accordingly then it starts to look more like the advogato trust metric which works pretty well.
Aaaah, the best new feature of Slashdot is not having to read opposing arguments, so I can live in my own little world, untouched by reality. Forget the truth, I only want to hear my own opinions, and believe that every one else has the exact same opinion as me. That's what being an American is about, especially in these TRYING TIMES.
Friends and Foes are NICE, but we can be just like Survivor if we try a bit harder, making alliances, breaking your enemies, backstabbing the other posters. We can make Slash into a real interactive game!
Couple of points. I want to be able to set my threshold at -1 or lower to read, I don't want to waste my time with anything 0 or greater. I come here to read the trolls, as do many others.
When posting, I want to flag my post as "for" or "against" the topic, so I can only read the arguments which support my own views. Yup, I wanna live in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, and I want bliss.
I also wanna be able to mod others as "The Weakest Link", but there's probably some trademark stuff on the term, so "Flaming Goddam Moron" will do.
Thanks a bundle.
Your pal,
Adolf Hitler
Where are the release notes? How do I learn all the details?
~ now you know
I just noticed the community ads on linux.com and thought it would be interesting to put them on slashdot. Anyone hearing me ?
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
from a very trusted news source:
/. personality Jon Katz was seen exiting the psychiatrist's office by fellow slashdotters, late this evening. He looked disturbed and highly strung.
The psychiatrist refused to comment on the case, but his secretary told the press "It was really wierd. Like I was sitting there, and this guy comes in and goes, 'Everybody hates me!!'. Then he starts blabbering about some foes of his and stuff. Really wierd."
"Mr. Katz present condition is quite obvious;" says our inhouse psychiatrist Dr. Kurosh. "Seeing so many people put him on their foes list was just too much for his persona to handle."
Some people are saying that this special new feature at Slashdot is actually a conspiracy - Eyewitnesses are willing to swear they saw Mr. Rob Malda at the Psychiatrist's convention last month. "I'll solve all your economic problems, don't worry"; Rob was heard announcing.
Whether or not this feature was added for this we do not know, but psychiatrists' offices are suddenly seeing a spurt in patients suffering from inferiority complex - all reporting something about "the world not liking them" or something close to that.
visit me, will ya?
Apparently Microsoft has hacked this code. The onion is reporting that Bill Gates has granted himself 18 dexterity and 20 Charisma.
Move on. There's nothing to see here.
Far be it for me to critisize /. but how about a head, or people, or just friend/normal/foe buttons?
I never noticed them on my user info page, but then again, all of my submissions got rejected. It should still be visible on the submit story page.
--
"Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around." - They Might Be Giants, "We Want a Rock"
Rob,
/. users clamor for this? What prompted this latest change?
Did lots of
I really think this will eventually make the forum an exclusive clique, even more than it is now with the karma system.
Keep track of, list on the user page, and possibly use as the default rating of a user's posts, the "average rating per post".
:)
IE, if user FOO has made 100 posts, and the average rating of those posts is +3, then display it on ~FOO and let FOO post at +3, if he chooses.
This doesn't (at first blush) seem to be vulnerable to abuse, and it seems like it would self-manage trolls (who I assume would have an average of -1)
Oh, and a spellcheque facility would be nice
DG
Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
Great, so now I have a way to explicitly set my friends and foes. Unfortunately, initializing a reasonable database of friends and foes to prioritize the posts that I read is a ton of work.
What I'd like to see is the sharing of information. For example, if I mark FunkyChicken as a friend, I wouldn't mind if those one his friends and foes lists factored into my own. Naturally, I'd want a finer grain of control than to just assume that all of FunkyChicken's friends are my friends.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
>Note: Who you like and dislike is not private; it
>can and will be used against you.
That's nuttin'. Used against you by a snivelling 14 year old? Big deal.
Slashdot Friend/Foe system is insignifcant compared to an F-14's Interrogate Friend/Foe system. Now *that's* one you don't want used against you.
hawk
(If this is already a feature then, well, disregard this notice and thank you for your payment.)
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Being able to flag users as "friend" or "foe" is a great intermediate step toward the kind of collaborative filtering-based moderation system that I imagine for Slashdot.
Imagine the following:
Slashdot 'notices' that a bunch of other users who share a lot of 'friends' with you have modded up a posting by someone who is not on your 'friends' list. Slashdot notifies you of the posting, you read it, submit a comment, and add the user to your 'friends' list. You have thus discovered a worthwhile posting that you may have missed had you been filtering out low-scoring comments.
If Slashdot created a true collaborative filtering-based moderation system, then moderation as we know it would cease to exist, and in its place hundreds of closely intertwined 'communities' of like-minded readers would emerge, and the quality of discussion on slashdot (as perceived by its readers) would grow enormously.
To satisfy new readers or those who had not taken the time to express their preferences, comments could be 'scored' according to aggregate moderation across communities. The key of CF would be that everyone would be a moderator all of the time, and everyone's moderations would effect whose comments they themselves saw in the future.
Amazing magic tricks
Didn't you guys forget the Title change?
Slashdot
News for Nerds. Comments that agree.
Slashdot needs a karma whore filter so we can filter out the following types of posts. 1) For more info try this link.
2) here are some mirrors even though they are not needed at this time.
3) cut and paste posts (why do people mod those up?)
4)Bill Gates bashing (Don't get me wrong I hate him too but do those posts have to be modded to +4 insightful?) I'm sure there are more I just can't think of them right now.
Snoozer.
Good job, commander. A filter to create mature audiences. Beautiful.
The feature should automatically be disabled when in moderator mode.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
You are partially correct about the effect of such as system on the "groupthink problem". Users who always modded down (or +foe'ed) everyone whose ideas they disagreed with would surely get a slashdot consisting of only comments that they agreed with, but users who modded comments according to how well they contributed to the discussion would be richly rewarded: their slashdot woudl be a place of informative discussions and insightful comments.
If you are curious about CF, check out movielens (link above).
Amazing magic tricks
What you're saying is that you'd ilke to use Advogato. The term that you're looking for is a "distributed trust metric."
Actually, I think the poster got it on the nose. Affinity is a better term for this than trust. Just because I enjoy reading someone's posts doesn't mean I necessarily "trust" them. It's a whole different concept than that used in public-key cryptography. 10% affinity is meaningful; 10% trust is not.
The posts I don't want to read are the anonymous coward posts - if people can't be bothered to use an identity, I can't be bothered to read them. Guess which user identity you uniquely can't set as 'foe'? Fix it, someone.
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
Mmmm, those friend or foe "pearls." They look aquataciously lickable. What's up with that? Are we going to see Mac OS X ads (a la O'reilleyNet) on Slashdot next?
I think that this friend/foe system was really meant to filter out dumb posts, not ones that we disagree with (there is a difference). For that reason, they should really call them scholar/idiot lists so that /.r's don't get the idea that they should use this system to shield their ears from dissent.
The JuxtaProse Project, a self-organizing peer-to-peer discussion forum
pi = 3.141592653589793helpimtrappedinauniversefactory7
Try 500,000.
If I've listened to the same tired, lame arguement, I'd appreciate the opportunity to make him foe. However, if I haven't decided yet, then I'd like to mark him as a potential foe. This way, if he continues to abuse my patience and good will, I can choose to make him as foe.
On the other hand, if someone continually says something that I agree with, I'd also mark him as foe, not because I dislike him or agree with him. It would be because it's no use wasting my time reading something I already believe in. If you already believe in what the pastor preaches, do you really have to listen to it Sunday after Sunday? Aren't there so many other things in life to learn?
Sincerely, and with thanks,
Eugene T.S. Wong
testing out my trending skills
Is that all you do all day CmdrTaco! Is code!!! Whatever happened to you just reviewing Anime and talking about video games and movies you want to see. Sounds to me like your slacking off!
Its like you don't do any work anymore.. shit I wish I could just code all day.
To everyone complaining this is going to create more exclusive cliques, groupthink, and so on:
Usenet, the original online discussion forum, has had these things called Killfiles for years. (Actually Usenet itself does not, but nearly all the clients have these kinds of filters.) Now Slashdot is starting to finally implement the same functionality. Whats the big deal then?
Liberty in your lifetime
I believe that this is concept is good overall, because it is important that people be able to filter content coming in. After all, just because someone says something, doesn't mean it is a legitimate view point.
Some might argue that we should expose ourselves to as many views as possible. I would disagree with them. There are times when a man can be right and not need anymore discussion. At those times, he should be allowed to save his time by not reading any more on the issue. One way of doing this is to filter out people who have nothing practical to contribute, time after time after time.
Sure, there will be people who abuse this concept and will block off more than they should. However, in general, we will all be better off, just as in a free market people are allowed to fail, and are forced to deal with it themselves.
testing out my trending skills
It would be nice to have more granularity such that you could assemble lists of users that you assign +1 to, another list +2, another list -1, and so on.
Liberty in your lifetime
Use moderations as "Alter Relationships"
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
That's a good idea, because people may have insight in one area but very little sense in another.
testing out my trending skills
What's that thing that looks like a water droplet (or maybe a push pin - drawing pin to the brits) next to postings ?
The 2nd level boost should not be X²/100, but (X/100)² (== X²/10000).
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
If that won't confuse people, nothing will...
Never play leapfrog with a unicorn. Or a juggernaut.
you've finally exposed and generalized the "if Signal_11 start fucking" feature!
This cant be a good idea, Can it?? If you were picked a foe based on a particular comment and that was out of the ordinary for them. We have all mode the occasional troll post.
What if your "friends" dont like someone and you find humor in there comments, or would if you had read them.
There are way to many ways for this not to work well. In theory it is great. But you still have to trust yourself to pick good friends and you have to trust them to pick good friends. Doesnt seem any better than the moderation setup we have going now.
How is this off-topic? Dicksucker.
Yes sir, I like it!
I already have created a portfolio of enemies...
Muhaha!
This
hawk
Also, in that vein: there should be one-button view preferences (-1, Nested, Newest First) for moderation. Too often the +3s get modded to +5 while the interesting, new AC comments are ignored.
sulli
RTFJ.
I use lynx. At the moment, I'm forced into netscape, as the current version of lynx won't access its stored cookies.
When I have to use netscape frequently, I switch to 3.0 rather than 4.0.
No, *please* don't assume us to use the browser of the week.
hawk
(/meta-humor)
It would be better to have a couple of links: a link for 'make this guy a friend' and another for 'make this guy a foe'. People can simply go to their 'preferences' page to reflect upon lists of all their friends and foes. When you click the 'make this guy a friend' link, the only thing that should happen is a page refresh, whereupon the poster's 'indicator light' is green. i.e. don't send me somewhere else to see that, yes, I did click the button, so now I pick a rating, then a page hence after I've chose my rating... followed by 2 'back' clicks to get back to the discussion I was trying to read in the first place. (No offense, but your site's slow enough to load is it is -- might as well make it slow but relatively convenient.) This would make all the sorting of friends and foes faster. Yeah, yeah, opinions are like you-know-whats, everyone has them -- but one click to perform a friend/foe marking action is certainly better than four.
If I have a problem with a certain individual or opinion on /., I'll refute their argument with a post of my own. That's what /. is all about. Giving people a tool for ignoring those that annoy them just makes them ignorant.
/.. Over the years, it has helped me to grow as a person.
Once in a while, I'll see a post I don't like, or disagree with, and I'll write a post to counter it, and not submit it, because, along the way, I figure out that maybe that person is right, and I'm the one that's wrong. To me - this is the most valuable aspect of
I don't intend to use friend/foe. Except for the PenisBird.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
i was the first to make KATZ my foe!!! yay first foe is mine!! a new industry is born...
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
> Some (don't know how) system to mod up late good posters. The problem with the
:-)
> current system is early on topic posters get modded up, but a 4 hour late gem has a
> very slim change to be modded up.
How about this? Every moderator gets an option to work their way from the latest posts
to an aging article. If it's attached to a thread, then the whole thread is displayed
[for context]; else, it's standalone. Also...
> By the way, the smily in "RIGHT NOW" 8-) should have warned you this was meant as
> funny as well. I hope you got that.
Sure did
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
to prevent manual moderation until a story line has generated at least 100 non-AC, non-troll messages. Otherwise the first (real) posts get modded up simply because they get more visibility in the expanded tree, while the later gems are lost in the collapsed tree.
> When I have to use netscape frequently, I switch to 3.0 rather than 4.0.
:-)
NS 6.21 is a huge improvement over NS 6.0, which was a pointless release [no pun
intended] as it was based on Mozilla M18 [tons of bugs!].
Try it - or, if you're clever, go for Mozilla 0.9.7
> No, *please* don't assume us to use the browser of the week.
You miss the point. You will get the same page with optimum formatting whatever
browser you use. If it supports CSS2, then the page size will reduce drastically but
render the same [or better], only quicker.
Then again, Michael has ruled out browser sniffing...
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
It seems that almost all people on Slashdot support more or less the same points of view, but to a greater or lesser degree, and to a higher or lower level of cogency. Do we have any PETA supporters, fanatic feminists or RIAA conservatives here? Not many ;-)
Security through promiscuity is no better than security through obscurity.
So, this allows Slashdot to scale just like the web. Instead of someone like Google coming along to index everything, the system has builtin filters.
I guess to sum up, there's a big difference between ranking posts by content versus who's saying it.
And now Slashdot can have both!
You are right. A bit of info for moderators: troll, flame-bait and flame . It's really a shame that "troll" has become something completely different here on /. In a nitpicking mode I ought to metamod as unfair about 99% of the troll-moderations. However since the mod's are obviously intended to mod comments down that really ought to be modded down, using the troll label is generally accepted.
karma capped
With every new update of slashcode, I see slashdot evolving from a news for nerds site into a weblog similar to livejournal.com or Blogger.. What's next? Personalized user icons?
Affinity is a better term for this than trust. Just because I enjoy reading someone's posts doesn't mean I necessarily "trust" them.
Good point!
-Waldo Jaquith
NO JAVASCRIPT!
Don't lock out lynx, or you'll lose many of us.
AFAIK there is no way to comment on how /. works, except to email CmdrTaco, etc, so I'll make my comments here. /. to support <PRE>, <SUPER> & <SUB> tags, which would make entering chemical formulae more accurate. <TABLE> & related would be nice, but it might be hard to prevent abuses. Also, as some others have found Plain Old Text doesn't automatically escape HTML control characters for you, perhaps this should be looked at.
As I have mentioned in some of my posts, I'd like
I also find that the text entry box annoyingly small, can we have a bit in our preferences to set its size?
Just my 0.02p worth.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. --- Albert Einstein
Just do what I do and set up a squid proxy at home, then an encrypted tunnel to your home machine. Configure your browser to proxy all requests to your home squid proxy, and voila, encrypted browsing of everything. Work will have no clue what you're doing.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
u have to adapt, otherwise u dissapear form the net like may other companies.
every new addition makes slashdot better. even if it makes it look like some bumblefuck newsgroup.
ut i could care less... slashdot keeps me up to date.
Lizard "Never let them set limits on your mind!"
The number of registered users and the number of comments aren't interesting. The interesting number is the number of actual showings. Traditional Usenet newsreaders only stores information about read messages in the .newsrc file. /. could go further, and just store a timestamp each time a each user read an article with comments.
/. store a week worth of timestamps, we have 20 articles a day, and that a timestamp takes 4 bytes, the space would be 7 * 20 * 4 bytes per user. probably a lot less than /. already stores.
If we say each user read each article, that
And I believe you are confusing the user id with the comment id in your 3 million estimate.
I was premature in guessing you were in NY. I had done a Visualroute on your Email address, then realized you might not be using your ISP E-mail. When I took a second look, I think I accidentally turned up your full name, address and phone number. Honestly, I only thought I'd come up with a candidate state. And the internet is supposed to be anonymous, lol!
The following will probably make sense to you (and only you):
2WJDCA8626
My apologies if you feel I invaded your anonymity. As I said, getting more detail than a likely state was an accidental discovery.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
people who post by default at -1, who aren't on your foes list and whose post hasn't been modded. They'd be all forgotten :-(
Little Eddie Gentry was a misunderstood teen. At age six, his parents divorced in a messy court battle. His mother ended up winning 95% custody due to his father's "questionable" habits and employments, all of which centered around Slashdot and the Open Source community.
By the time Eddie was 15, he had quite a few hobbies but no real friends. Eddie spent most of his time coding on a new system called "Linux" and posting informative and interesting comments on Slashdot. Living in his mother's basement, Eddie stayed up all night learning new tips and tricks, desperately trying to become 1337 in a world in which he felt negelected.
Eddie's mother had been working two jobs since he could remember, and now that Eddie was about to start driving, she was going to look for another and had also been suggesting to Eddie that he start perusing the want-ads for a job for himself when he got his license. Naturally this left Eddie's mother with little time for Eddie; she rarely even dated for all she had time for was work, work, paying bills, and keeping up their two-bedroom condo. Without a male rold-model, Eddie was socially and personally confused and so felt more comfortable shirking the world and staying in his dark, musty basement most of the time.
Months after Eddie got his license, he grew even more disenchanted with the world. Thinking his license would lead to a more active social life, Eddie was disappointed when no girls were interested in the '85 maroon Dodge Omni he drove around; his homemade MP3 player he installed in his car didn't impress any of the guys in school either. The great gas mileage was no consolation. He grew more depressed and his grades slipped. The world was becoming dark in little Eddie Gentry's eyes. He sank into his Linux programming and Slashdotting more and more until he was ignoring his homework completely and regularly came to work (at a QuikTrip gas station) 20 or 30 minutes late just so he could post a few extra comments here or there on Slashdot.
Eddie was now 16 years old and knew only the feeling of the cold, damp basement and and hard work at the nearby QuikTrip; he never had felt the warmth of a woman's touch or the firm hug of a caring father. He'd never felt the burst of adrenaline the goalie feels in football when he sees the other team heading towards him; he'd never felt the teasing itch of a healing sunburn on his back. And at 16, Eddie was beginning to grow bitter and feel cheated by the lack of experience he had in life. He damned his father for being a sadistic asshole towards him as a baby, and he blamed his mother for worrying too much about him and the bills she always seemed to be talking about. He also blamed himself, though he didn't know why. And it showed in his Slashdot posts...
After several months spent in a non-stop downward spiral, Eddie gave up on real life and began writing CmdrTaco in desperation and loneliness. He talked about his life, the people he thought were cool, and also quietly looked for approval from Rob Malda. What a poor thing to have attempted:
After getting similar responses from the other Slashdot editors, and realizing no one real or electronic would ever care about him, Eddie's resolve steeled. Unfortunantly, it was with a poor solution to his problems that he began planning for. But for the first time in his short life, Eddie felt the weight of the world ascend from his shoulders. He smiled for the first time in a long time, and people noticed. Especially Marie Swanson, a schoolmate and neighbor. Eddie noticed little and cared less, however, because his plan was so clever and would solve so many problems. He was proud of himself for the first time ever and it was all going to happen soon. Very soon.
It was April 19, 2002 when Eddie pulled into the gravel driveway late at night. Killing th lights, Eddie grabbed the brown paper bag in the driver's seat and sashed it under his black trenchcoat. He attempted to slide by his mother but she halted him, holding his hands in hers. She told him she was happy for him and that she was relieved hat he was "coming out of his shell." Eddie weakly smiled and told his mom things were hard sometimes. If only she knew. Eddie told her he'd be back up for dinner and quickly ran to his Linux workstation in the corner of the basement, and launched Mozilla 0.9.7.
12 minutes later, Mozilla and Slashdot were finished loading, and Eddie was looking for the latest story. Perfect! This new one, regarding more VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware downsizing, was brand new and had no comments yet... With bated breath and sweaty palms, Eddie clocked the links and started typing his message into the text field. He trembled and shook as he typed, his fingers a blue on the keyboard. The intensity in his eyes was matched only by the emptiness behind them.
It had been an hour since Eddie came home and as usual, not a peep was heard from the basement. Eddie's mother stared at the sink, quietly going over the ingredients for tonight's dinner, Eddie's favorite dish: hot-dog and bean casserole covered in melted American cheese. She wanted to make something special for her little boy. She jumped as she was brought out of her trance by the phone ringing. She waited, thinking Eddie would pick it up, but as he sometimes wore headphones and listened to his music very loudly, she picked it up herself on the thrid ring. It was Marie Swanson, the neighbor girl
"Is Eddie there?" came the timid voice on the other end. Eddie's mom said she'd get Eddie, but first she asked if she could tell him what it was regarding-- Eddie was often stubborn about coming to the phone sometimes.
"I just wanted to ask Eddie if he'd like to join me and Lisa and her cousin Mike at the movies with us tonight. Tell him he can call me back later if he's busy, we didn't want to go until the seven-o-clock show anyway." With that, Eddie's mom was on her way down the stairs and calling Eddie's name. No reply came, so she assumed that this would be another round of turning the sound down on his stereo to get his attention. She couldn't have been wronger. What met her eyes was the worst site a mother could ever hope to see in her life. Even though he could have been asleep, she knew better.
Eddie was laying slumped over with his head restng on the keyboard, one arm under his head and the other, his left, hanging limply straight down. Spittle was slowly drying on his lower lip, and his eyes bulged out of his head in a ghastly manner. His skin was a sick light blue-purple color, which was obscured by the thick, clear plastic bag taped firmly around his neck. Attached to the bag by some tape was some fishtank air-pumo tubing, which at its other end was connected to yet another bag containing some misty substance. The basement smelled like almonds.
Eddie was dead, a victim of himself.
The shrieks and cries heard that night were never forgotten by any of the neighbors. Eddie's mother's life would never be the same, and the school was closed in a day of mourning. Counseling was given freely all day for the next week as well, and Eddie's mother spoke at a memorial service for the school. Things were pretty straight forward, and everyone-- especially Eddie's mom-- went straight into dealing with the loss, nearly impossible as that is.
What Eddie's mother always assumed was that Eddie was angst-ridden and unhappy and had no healthy way to express this to anyone, and she blamed herself for this. Though this was genericaly true, Eddie's mother had missed something that night in her blind anguish. Had she looked a little closer at the computer her son lay dead in front of, she would have seen something very telling that could have given her more depth of understanding. Alas, she didn't, even though all it would have taken was a single click of the "Back" button. As it was, when they removed the computer to examination, there was evidence of one final attempt Eddie made to communicate his feelings to someone, somewhere. Like all of Eddie's other attempts in life, however, his attempt failed miserable.
Who knows, maybe Eddie would have waited just long enough for his mother to have made it downstairs? What a sad, frustrating life Eddie ended that night.
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than a page whose tables look like this:
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The reason is that the browser won't display any of the table until it sees the close table tag. If you could change the code to do this:
<TABLE>
<TR>
<TD>Coments 1-30</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
<TABLE>
<TR>
<TD>Coments 31-60</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
<TABLE>
<TR>
<TD>Coments 61-90</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
Instead of this:
<TABLE>
<TR>
<TD>Coments 1-90</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
I wouldn't have to stare at a spinning cursor for 30 seconds every time I click a link. :oP
-HTML Performance Expert for hire
Well, slashcode is open-source. Any volunteers?