Most of the US states need one... most of the departments in those states need them... Many major and even minor cities need them.
Whistleblowing and leaking should become a core part of our democracy. Yes, government must keep some things secret... like your identity info so assholes aren't stealing your ID every two seconds to rob you. Or national security secrets like the plans to the latest hydrogen bomb. By all means keep those secrets.
But pretty much everything that doesn't need to be kept secret... shouldn't. Total disclosure. Government should in most cases be naked.
Technically, they work for us. They are employees in our company. We have every right to know everything.
Even considering all that, have a standard template that triggers all that crap and then build your little creative projects in subroutines.
Is it harder to code in windows then in DOS? you're a lot farther from the hardware in windows. There is a lot more going on. But you don't see most of it because its abstracted or hidden away and mostly it doesn't matter. Do the same thing with all your debugging shit. Write a template that loads and manages all that shit so you can hack it like you want to while retaining compliance.
If anything this guy just came up with a good coding project.
Here you might say that your little coding projects and hacks need to be linked properly to these various systems and that can be a pain in the ass. But again... why are you doing that manually? Write a program or a script that automatically creates the links.
What's left... documentation? First off, fuck you if you don't want to document your code and then implement it. Seriously. Fuck yourself with a chainsaw... sideways. I can't tell you how many shitty coding projects I've had to go through line by line trying to figure out how the fucking thing works or even what its doing because the asshole that coded it didn't document anything. I mean... some fucking comment lines every so often would be great.
So what is left?
Seriously... if you're a coder then you see all of this as something to fix... and then if it actually bothers you or interests you... you then fix it.
Once you've built your little wrapper you can then hack it like you did in the old days and the program/script will dynamically create all the linkages and load all the debuggers and whatever the hell else you need to make the fuzzy bunnies happy.
As to ending up in jail or dead, nothing I did was illegal. He brandished a weapon at me and I showed him I had a bigger one.
I then dissed him and left.
As to your second point, I looked for a point in it... and couldn't see an actual argument in it. Please rephrase.
As to your third point, I have millions of years of natural selection humming in my veins. I am not some skittish herd beast. I not a rat. I am not a rabbit.
I am a homo sapian. A man. I'm the ape that cracks atoms and marks his territory on the moon.
Yeah there are some complicated tools but you don't have to use them. Use the old tools and code in the old way... most of them still work no problem. And even with the new ones there's simple ways to do the same thing.
How many people are throwing up snipits of python code... its everywhere. I really don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about.
No. The point is that it isn't sexism. If I treat both men and women badly it is not sexism when I treat a woman badly.
Its an equal opportunity offender.
For example... lets say a shark eats an asian person. Did the shark commit a hate crime?
How do you know? Maybe the shark wouldn't have eaten a white guy. The shark could be racist.
Here's is one of the larger issues with accusations of racism and sexism. You've reversed due process by forcing the accused to prove they're innocent rather then requiring the prosecution to prove their case.
That is... the burden of proof is on YOU prove I am sexist or racist. Simply making some nasty remarks is poor evidence of anything. Those remarks for one thing could be leveled at either sex and probably are by that same person. What is more, you'd have to show that there was some sort of intention behind it and not merely a meaningless emotional outburst.
Now you can cite them for saying mean things to you and that can be an established fact. However, you cannot from that conclude that the person in question is racist or sexist.
For example, you might be aware of the the Michael Richards situation where the comedian was heckled by some black people in his audience. Richards lost control and started issuing racist remarks against the men. Does that mean Michael Richards is a racist? No. There's no evidence one way or the other if he's a racist. But its just as likely that Richards lost control and thought of the most hurtful thing he could come up with and threw that at the people harassing him.
And by and large that is what most people get... male or female or black or white. The threats are not real or credible in most cases. They're just emotional outbursts where one person is trying to hurt the feelings of another person. Full stop.
For example, I got very upset with a friend many years ago and I called him white trash. The guy grew up in a trailer park and is sensitive about it. I really hurt his feelings when I said that and that was the point at the time. He was doing things at the time that really pissed me off and I wanted to hurt him because that was the only way I could communicate how angry I was at him. It was that or hit him.
Now did I regret saying that? Almost immediately. I felt very badly about it and apologized to him shortly there after. But does that mean I was discriminating against him or something? No. He threw out some insults against me which were nearly as hurtful and the only reason he didn't do more was because he couldn't think of anything else to hit me with. It was a big ugly argument.
Now imagine if he were a different race or gender or I was... I'm pretty sure that race and gender would have been used in our insults simply because we'd grasp anything we could use to hurt each other.
That isn't racism or sexism. That's just an out of control argument. Period.
Now on the internet with the gaming 10 year olds screaming at each other... that isn't racism or sexism either. That's just an emotionally under developed child losing control against faceless people in an environment with no consequences.
Nothing more.
Point being. Toughen up or don't log on. You're going to cused out. It will happen.
The last time it happened to me, I laughed at the kid, and started throwing much better insults back at him. He rage quit and I slept like a baby.
Everyone needs thicker skin. Stop crying discrimination or trying to invoke the civil rights movement every time someone hurts your precious little feelings.
As to most white males, what does that matter to me?
Am I most white males? Do I have no right to individuality?
What if I made some comment about most black males or most asian females and then attempted to use some anecdotal example to justify treating those people differently then anyone else?
You'd say rightly that that was racist.
Well guess what, sport. You're a racist. Because you think its okay to classify all white people into one group. Millions of people you've never met. And you think you know how all of us think and feel about everything.
Guess what. I'm a white male and I wouldn't pretend to know the mind of all white males. You have no clue what you're talking about. No one does.
None of us are telepaths. We can't read other people's minds and we certainly don't know the minds of people we've never met.
Classifying millions of people into giant lump categories simply on the basis of race is at best ignorant and at worst racist.
As to feeling substandard, I clearly feel threatened by this argument which is why I'm defending myself.
As to what people feel beyond that... I can only guess and that's all you or anyone else can do either.
You don't know what I think. And I don't know what you think. All we have are our words and our observations.
As to what I was born into. You have no idea. I have no idea what you were born into. And I am not responsible for what people did before I was born. I had no part in their choices. So I don't care what they did.
Furthermore, you can't associate me with simply because we share skin tones. That silly. I don't even share blood with the people that did those things and neither do a lot of white people.
There are a lot of us. The ancestors of some white people did some nasty stuff. So you want to claim ALL white people today are responsible for that? Comically racist. At most you could hold direct descendants responsible and only in so far as property that was inherited from those people. But that's it.
Most of my ancestors in those days were so far down the pecking order that they didn't decide anything or oppress anyone. They were at best the oppressed themselves.
In this enlightened age, my bloodline has come to these shores and made a life in this new land. And here I am in the 21st century being asked to account for the actions of men that died before I was born that aren't even blood relations of myself?
Please.
As to insults hurting someone because it actually describes who they are... White people are called "whitey" or other similar things all the time.
We do take it as bigotry and it does hurt us.
But rather then try to make a civil rights issue out of it, we instead lower our estimation of the person that delivered it. And of course if we can find some way to pay the insult back... within proportion... then we're human beings like everyone else and will of course revenge ourselves if wronged.
Seriously, brother... If you prick me do I not bleed? Your whole argument rests upon the belief that white people are ultimately inhuman. That nothing touches us. We're as human as anyone else.
Push us around and we're going to push you back one way or the other.
As to your fixes:
1. I have no problem with cleaning up the community but do not try to use anti discrimination rhetoric to do it.
You say "people need to be nice to other people"... or your argument will be taken as an attack against white men or whomever is the villain of your fiction. And we will undermine the effort.
Why would we do otherwise. Its an attack. We will defend and then counter attack.
Seriously... my problem with her post was the claim that men are discriminating against women.
We're not. They told us they wanted to be treated like equals and we took them at their word. Do you want to be treated like an equal... with all the ugly back and forth that some times comes with that... or do you want to be treated like a protected class?
This is the eleventh strawman argument used against me in this thread.
The topic was complaining about WOMEN being treated badly.
I countered that they were actually just being treated like MEN. And that if they don't want to be treated like MEN then we would be happy to treat them like WOMEN.
What you are saying is that "MEN treat other MEN badly and shouldn't"... I don't disagree.
However, that isn't sexism. The WOMAN in this post accused MEN of sexism when really the MEN were treating her as an equal.
Now if she instead said "PEOPLE treat other PEOPLE badly sometimes" then that would be a different argument.
Your strawman argument was stupid. Don't do it again unless you want to be taken for either a moron or a degenerate. And that is not an example of someone on the internet being mean to someone else on the internet. Strawmen arguments are logically fallacious and often examples of dishonest rhetorical styles. People that use them either are so ignorant that they don't know how to make an argument or they're so dishonest that they don't care.
do you know anything about setting up personal DNS servers? I think your idea would be even better as a personal DNS server. This way a whole network could be immunized at once and it would be cross platform. All the computers and smartphones and tablets.
I've never set up my own DNS server but your whole concept seems especially applicable in that application. After all, lets say I have 30 machines. I don't want to install and update all 30 machines with this host file all the time. And I dont' even want to install it on the machine every time I reinstall. And then there are the other platforms that have to be secured as well that won't be compatible with your solution.
If we just have a custom DNS server on our local network then that would provide most of this protection very easily.
We could even put the DNS server into something like a Raspberry pi. A cheap 35 dollar computer that could instantly immunize a whole network. Point the router at the raspberry pi and the whole network is immunized.
I'm guessing this is the tenth strawman argument in a row I've had to deal with so far. Congratulations.
Threatening someone with rape is not treating them like a girl. Being threatened with rape is something men deal with all the time however.
If a man says to another man "I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU RAW"... what is that? Its interpreted often as a threat to do violence and not actually rape the person. But literally the statement is a threat to rape. And men deal with that sort of comment all the time without trying to make a civil rights issue out of it.
Yesterday, I had a guy get of his car and chase my car with a baseball bat.
What did I do? I spun my car around, moved towards the man with my car about six feet, enough that he knew I could have just run his stupid ass over if I felt like it, literally this big guy with a baseball bat was instantly scared shitless, then I said out my side window "I don't have time for you", then spun my car around, and drove away.
This is the glory of the manual transmission. Very fast acceleration over very short distances.
That is how a man deals with a threat of violence.
What the woman is asking for here is to be protected. Literally that is what she is saying here. "Protect me"... "I'm a victim"... "there are bad people and they hurt my feelings." Men don't ask for that. We protect ourselves. Up to the point of going to thermonuclear war. Literally.
If women want to compete with men they need to be able to deal with that without instantly screaming like children for help.
I made it clear that women could be treated the same as men or be treated as women.
Those are their options. In western society, how do we treat men?
That is what I'm asking women to accept if they want to compete with men.
If you are competing for my job then don't expect me to pull punches or go easy on you. If its you or me and you've put yourself out as my equal. Then I'm not going to go easy on you. This is generally what women keep asking for however. They keep asking to be included in competitive environments and then when subjected to ACTUAL competition they cry foul because its often harsh and brutal.
Tough shit. You've joined a game of water polo. If all you want to do is play with pool noodles and splash each other then go back to the shallow end. Or if you want to just do laps then go to the marked off area where people swim back and forth alone. But in the game of water polo which you've said you want to be included in... get tough or get out.
As to women holding mutually exclusive ideas. Many men can do that as well. Its something we're encourage not to do but anyone with any wisdom figures it out eventually.
That said, Aristotle was not wrong when he said that two mutually exclusive things cannot be true at the same time in the same sense.
The relevant point there is "in the same sense"... a point which colors the nature of what you're talking about in the first place.
If and when anyone man or women or sentient gerbil attempts to make an argument that says two mutually exclusive things are true at the same time in the same sense... they're simply wrong.
if the women in question were being subjected to levels of abuse beyond what men were getting it wouldn't be seen as acceptable.
People get away with the abuse against women in those environments because the abuse in question isn't really abuse. Its the normal back and forth you find in any competitive work place.
Note... COMPETITIVE work place. Not a cubicle drone farm. Those are not competitive work places.
In anything competitive, people are going to get nasty. It might be openly nasty or it might be a highly choreographed dance of destruction. Consider many asian cultures that have many social rules governing conduct. And yet, objectively there is still exploitation... if anything the rules often serve to reinforce or formalize the exploitation.
If civility is all you want then I'll warn you that anyone clever can insult or dominate you just as easily while being perfectly civil.
If western culture supports rape then all cultures do and therefore it would be more correct to say that human culture supports it.
I disagree with the premise but by your logic it would be unreasonable to put this at the feet of western culture specifically but rather attribute it to a basic human quality.
At which point you're not able to play this game against the evil white man. Rather, you're dealing with fundamental qualities of the human species itself encompassing all races, creeds, ideologies, and genders.
This is a fallacious game played against the incurious and stupid by the incurious and dishonest.
I'm neither incurious, stupid, or dishonest.
I am willing to deal with the complexity of the argument and work out all the details until it comes to a conclusion.
I am clever enough to keep all the relevant logic in mind and cross reference all points in proper context.
And I am introspective and humble enough to know my limitations and I have a deep respect for intellectual integrity such that if I am wrong I will happily commit rhetorical seppuku as honor demands.
The above statements which will sound like bragging to the callow are a statement of ability to deal with complex philosophical issues. Nothing more or less.
And as such, I am neither afraid nor confused by these issues. Its just math to me. Simple math at that.
As I said above, men are subjected to verbal abuse all the time.
I was recently cussed out in a game I played the other day. The kid was furious.
Did I immediately cite the kid for discrimination? He said some very unflattering things.
No. Men have been dealing and receiving abuse of this kind for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Thousands. Probably tens of thousands.
And here this women comes into this situation and says its not okay.
Really? When did that happen?
Oh, when YOU showed up.
Look, if she wanted to say that people are sometimes mean to people and should be nicer... that's fine.
Make that argument for what its worth.
But that isn't what she said. She said that women specifically are discriminated against or subject to extra abuse. That is bullshit. They're not subject to extra abuse. Actually, they're subject to less in most cases. Significantly less. But even that reduced amount that they get is often intolerable because what they want is to be protected.
And again... that's fine. Declare yourself a protected class and you'll get the protection.
Men are going to be harsh in any competitive situation. Its in our nature. If women want to enter fields where men are competing then they need to be able to deal with that harshness or they need to bow out.
It is not acceptable to join the community and then demand that everyone change the way everything is done simply because your feelings hilariously sensitive while everyone else just laughs at rivals that attempt to wound them with words.
Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Literally that. You could sit there and concoct what you think of as the most hurtful prose imaginable and it would roll off me like water off a duck. It would be nothing to me.
This is something most men learn from an early age. We tease each other mercilessly as children. It toughens us up. We cry and fume as children. And by the time we're adults... those of us that that went through this right of passage are immune.
This is part of being an adult. In centuries past women were not expected to be true adults. Not entirely responsible or capable of dealing with an occasionally harsh world.
But its the 21st century and women want to enter the game.
The well, the rules of the game are not changing simple because the women don't like them.
Those are the rules. Deal with it.
Now here, women will attempt to use their various special abilities to get what they want anyway. Women still have vestiges of their old special privileges which they can use to get leverage. They can also use their advanced command of certain social skills that men often lack.
The problem with that is that that only works against weak men. Competitive men have all those skills too.
These are the rules. Deal with it or step away from the table.
And that's bullshit too because we're all just people. I'm tired of racists and sexists attempting use fallacious logic to effectively claim we're all different breeds or species.
We're all people. I'm a man. I'm a human being. You don't get to say I have less rights because of the color of my skin or the nature of my genitals.
That is respectively racist or sexist.
You don't get to tell me what I think or why I think something unless I likewise get the ability to tell you what you think or why you think that.
Furthermore, you don't get to say why you feel something unless I get to say why I feel something.
That is equality.
You're upset because white people in generations past dominated other people, built empires, built elaborate philosophical models, made huge advances in science, engineering, etc...
I had no part in any of that. You don't get to say I have less rights because of what people did before I was born that happen to have the same shade of skin.
Lets say black people did all that stuff in ages past... would that then mean that black people don't have a right to express themselves? Would that mean that anyone that just happens to be black is not entitled to an opinion. And that any moron that isn't black can just tell them what they think indifferent to how fucking stupid it is?
Obviously not.
And guess what, just because some white people did some stuff long before I was born... it doesn't mean I have less rights.
End of story.
As to the stories of non-white people and females being harder to find. How is that my fault? Should we burn Shakespeare because he was white and had a penis? Should we burn Mozart?
If you want more non-white stories then write one. And yeah, I appreciate its hard to compete against the likes of Shakespeare or Hemingway. But its racist and sexist to just see these guys as white men.
They're people. They're human beings. Stop seeing everyone in racist terms. Are you saying that the great authors of western society have stories that are not applicable to people from other cultures or genders? That's nonsense. These works of art are appreciated all over the world. The Chinese and Japanese appreciate them and are great fans of western opera.
Sadly your argument is largely a political ploy by groups in the US mostly that see exploiting white guilt and male chivalry to gain power. Its classic passive aggression. They'll claim the victim card to soften up the opposition and create a firewall around themselves against any attack. And then when the heat is off they strike out to claim ground. Any defense against an attack is deflected by aggressively calling all rivals racists or sexists.
The likes of Al Sharpton are masters of this tactic. Its lets such people call Jews for example diamond merchants or other racist comments and then turn around and call someone else racist.
Its a game. And the only people that support it are the incurious, stupid, or corrupt.
I'm assuming you're simply incurious. Which is fine... however, I would ask that you refrain from offering strong points in any issue you've not thought about deeply. Its merely annoying to others that have.
That's not what this post was whining about. it was whining about women specifically being discriminated against.
A point which is stupid because they're really not. They're just treated like everyone else and some women don't like that. They want to be treated better.
And that's fine... if they accept declare themselves a protected class. Male chivalry will of course provide them the protection they desire.
But that comes with a price. Women need to make a choice as to what they want their position in society to be...
Do they want to be equals and thus ineligible for special treatment.
Or do they want to be a protected class and therefore unable to claim discrimination when excluded from highly competitive male interests.
For example... take sports. Should women compete against men in the Olympics or professional sports?
Here like elsewhere, women have to make the choice of whether they want to be protected or afforded equality. Women currently have made the choice that they want to be protected in sports. They have their own distinct Olympic medals and competitions. They don't compete against men in sports. Women cannot claim discrimination when not permitted to join male competitions for this reason.
Its either/or.
You either compete and play by the same rules with no special consideration or quarter given... no mercy... no hesitation... no remorse.
Or you're a protected class and any admittance you have to anything we protect you from happens at our discretion.
Just that simple. End of discussion. End of line. Choose.
I'm not the one that brought other countries into the discussion. My point was about my own society.
If someone else wants to expand the argument then guess what... the argument expands. And suddenly rather then pointing at the evil white people in the western world you're now dealing with people in africa and the middle east doing genital mutilations and various other fun stuff from around the world.
If you want to reconstruct the argument to just the US or western world that's fine. You can do that. But you're not going to undermine my larger point by expanding the issue. I'll just expand my counter argument and if anything my point is stronger in a larger context.
All this said, I can't really respond to you in full. I got dog piled by a million morons and this board has flood control. So I can't actually reply to more then a couple of you and I don't see that your further posts will be worth my limited post rations.
... okay... tell me a non-western country where any of this PC horseshit is given credence?
Show me a non-western country that is constantly obsessing about race, gender, etc and constantly struggling prove one group or the other is more of a victim then the other as they pathetically compete for grant money and public attention?
Wrong. You're asking to be treated with MORE respect then a man.
Because the man gets cused out every day. The man gets abuse that is sent at him with the intention of breaking down his ego and making him crack. And if the man does crack... no one feels bad for him. To the contrary, he is held in contempt for being so weak.
That is equality.
Women don't want that. They want to be treated as like women AND be given the respect of men.
Women are not respected. Women are protected.
If you're benefiting from that protection then you can't claim equality.
You're either equal or you're not. You're either willing to deal with the same shit the men deal with every day or you expect SPECIAL treatment just for you.
And if you think you're entitled to it... then I'd like to know why and what you're willing to pay for it?
Because... men are quite happy to renew the old social arrangement.
Women will be protected from male society. We will protect you from our viciousness and brutality. And in return... you stay out of our business.
That was the old arrangement.
If you want in... that fine. But you will not be protected from viciousness and brutality if you enter our world. This is how it works.
You're right, white men don't ever suffer insults or attacks on them simply for being white males.
Oh wait, you just did that. This sort of crap is what white men have to deal with. This suggestion that everyone in the world is a victim except us.
Everyone is deserving of all sorts of special considerations and we're deserving of nothing.
If we complain its just a sign of our racism or sexism.
Everyone is allowed to offer opinions about us. Tell us why we feel one way or another about anything. But if we try to say why someone else feels something then you say "You don't know what its like to not be a white man"...
Well that's interesting. White men are apparently the only group of people on earth not gifted with fucking telepathy.
People presume to tell us what we think and we're often not even allowed to say why we think something. How many times have white men been told that they don't even know how racist they are? That our racism or sexism is subconscious.
Which means not only are we not allowed to say what other people think but we're not even afforded the right to say what WE think.
And it is in this environment that you presume talk to us about all this PC bullshit?
And they wonder why we get upset. Its bullshit. This is a bullshit issue. Ladies can toughen up like the men or admit they want to be treated differently and get treated like girls.
Their choice. The big problem we keep running into over and over again is that people keep trying to eat their cake and have it too.
People keep asking for equality AND special treatment. No.
You're either equal or you're not.
People keep asking for rights but take no responsibility for themselves. No.
If you're not responsible for yourself then you're not entitled to the rights. An example would be children... they're not responsible and so they don't have adult level rights.
Just what is... If you want the one you've got to pay with the other just like everyone else.
I'm not asking for anything that I don't ask from myself.
Oh I know, I'm a privileged white male and I don't know how hard it is... It doesn't matter. That argument just says you need protection. Fine. Happily provided. But the instant you cash that check the equality argument goes out the window. You're a protected class at that point. Not an equal.
NSA and FBI don't want you to know they've broken TOR.
There are several ways you can break TOR. It's been talked about here for some time. They want computer criminals to think they're safe so long as they stay in tor and use bitcoins etc. They're not. Its trickier to track people down through tor but far from impossible.
You don't think men call other men bitches, cunts, etc in games? The abuse is pretty common.
The difference here as usual is that women expect to be treated differently. They don't think that's what they want but it is actually what they want.
And I'm okay with treating women better. However, if that's the new rule, then women need to acknowledge it. That's the only price. If women so much as acknowledge that men are treating them with kid gloves it short circuits most of the PC equality arguments.
As it should.
If women don't want that and want to be treated equal... then fine... but that means not complaining when you're treated like a man. Which is going to mean getting cussed out by people that will LAUGH at you when you cry. People that will show you ZERO pity when you break down. People that will if anything hold you in contempt for being so weak.
Are you prepared for that ladies? If so... game on.
If not... completely fine. But then we're playing by the old rules of male/female relations. Which means you're just a girl.
We've seen this PC crap try to gain purchase in the tech community for years. Linus Thorvald recently got told to be nicer women and that he shouldn't cus out people that he thinks are doing a crappy job.
He told her that she wasn't tolerating his culture and his way of doing things... and that he wasn't going to change anything.
I'll hold the same position here for the same reasons. If the girls want to be treated like girls then that's fine. If they want to be treated like men, that's fine. But stop trying to eat your man cake and have your girl perks too. Its either/or.
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Most of the US states need one... most of the departments in those states need them... Many major and even minor cities need them.
Whistleblowing and leaking should become a core part of our democracy. Yes, government must keep some things secret... like your identity info so assholes aren't stealing your ID every two seconds to rob you. Or national security secrets like the plans to the latest hydrogen bomb. By all means keep those secrets.
But pretty much everything that doesn't need to be kept secret... shouldn't. Total disclosure. Government should in most cases be naked.
Technically, they work for us. They are employees in our company. We have every right to know everything.
Even considering all that, have a standard template that triggers all that crap and then build your little creative projects in subroutines.
Is it harder to code in windows then in DOS? you're a lot farther from the hardware in windows. There is a lot more going on. But you don't see most of it because its abstracted or hidden away and mostly it doesn't matter.
Do the same thing with all your debugging shit. Write a template that loads and manages all that shit so you can hack it like you want to while retaining compliance.
If anything this guy just came up with a good coding project.
Here you might say that your little coding projects and hacks need to be linked properly to these various systems and that can be a pain in the ass. But again... why are you doing that manually? Write a program or a script that automatically creates the links.
What's left... documentation? First off, fuck you if you don't want to document your code and then implement it. Seriously. Fuck yourself with a chainsaw... sideways. I can't tell you how many shitty coding projects I've had to go through line by line trying to figure out how the fucking thing works or even what its doing because the asshole that coded it didn't document anything. I mean... some fucking comment lines every so often would be great.
So what is left?
Seriously... if you're a coder then you see all of this as something to fix... and then if it actually bothers you or interests you... you then fix it.
Once you've built your little wrapper you can then hack it like you did in the old days and the program/script will dynamically create all the linkages and load all the debuggers and whatever the hell else you need to make the fuzzy bunnies happy.
As to ending up in jail or dead, nothing I did was illegal. He brandished a weapon at me and I showed him I had a bigger one.
I then dissed him and left.
As to your second point, I looked for a point in it... and couldn't see an actual argument in it. Please rephrase.
As to your third point, I have millions of years of natural selection humming in my veins. I am not some skittish herd beast. I not a rat. I am not a rabbit.
I am a homo sapian. A man. I'm the ape that cracks atoms and marks his territory on the moon.
Come at me.
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Yeah there are some complicated tools but you don't have to use them. Use the old tools and code in the old way... most of them still work no problem. And even with the new ones there's simple ways to do the same thing.
How many people are throwing up snipits of python code... its everywhere. I really don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about.
No. The point is that it isn't sexism. If I treat both men and women badly it is not sexism when I treat a woman badly.
Its an equal opportunity offender.
For example... lets say a shark eats an asian person. Did the shark commit a hate crime?
How do you know? Maybe the shark wouldn't have eaten a white guy. The shark could be racist.
Here's is one of the larger issues with accusations of racism and sexism. You've reversed due process by forcing the accused to prove they're innocent rather then requiring the prosecution to prove their case.
That is... the burden of proof is on YOU prove I am sexist or racist. Simply making some nasty remarks is poor evidence of anything. Those remarks for one thing could be leveled at either sex and probably are by that same person. What is more, you'd have to show that there was some sort of intention behind it and not merely a meaningless emotional outburst.
Now you can cite them for saying mean things to you and that can be an established fact. However, you cannot from that conclude that the person in question is racist or sexist.
For example, you might be aware of the the Michael Richards situation where the comedian was heckled by some black people in his audience. Richards lost control and started issuing racist remarks against the men. Does that mean Michael Richards is a racist? No. There's no evidence one way or the other if he's a racist. But its just as likely that Richards lost control and thought of the most hurtful thing he could come up with and threw that at the people harassing him.
And by and large that is what most people get... male or female or black or white. The threats are not real or credible in most cases. They're just emotional outbursts where one person is trying to hurt the feelings of another person. Full stop.
For example, I got very upset with a friend many years ago and I called him white trash. The guy grew up in a trailer park and is sensitive about it. I really hurt his feelings when I said that and that was the point at the time. He was doing things at the time that really pissed me off and I wanted to hurt him because that was the only way I could communicate how angry I was at him. It was that or hit him.
Now did I regret saying that? Almost immediately. I felt very badly about it and apologized to him shortly there after. But does that mean I was discriminating against him or something? No. He threw out some insults against me which were nearly as hurtful and the only reason he didn't do more was because he couldn't think of anything else to hit me with. It was a big ugly argument.
Now imagine if he were a different race or gender or I was... I'm pretty sure that race and gender would have been used in our insults simply because we'd grasp anything we could use to hurt each other.
That isn't racism or sexism. That's just an out of control argument. Period.
Now on the internet with the gaming 10 year olds screaming at each other... that isn't racism or sexism either. That's just an emotionally under developed child losing control against faceless people in an environment with no consequences.
Nothing more.
Point being. Toughen up or don't log on. You're going to cused out. It will happen.
The last time it happened to me, I laughed at the kid, and started throwing much better insults back at him. He rage quit and I slept like a baby.
Everyone needs thicker skin. Stop crying discrimination or trying to invoke the civil rights movement every time someone hurts your precious little feelings.
As to most white males, what does that matter to me?
Am I most white males? Do I have no right to individuality?
What if I made some comment about most black males or most asian females and then attempted to use some anecdotal example to justify treating those people differently then anyone else?
You'd say rightly that that was racist.
Well guess what, sport. You're a racist. Because you think its okay to classify all white people into one group. Millions of people you've never met. And you think you know how all of us think and feel about everything.
Guess what. I'm a white male and I wouldn't pretend to know the mind of all white males. You have no clue what you're talking about. No one does.
None of us are telepaths. We can't read other people's minds and we certainly don't know the minds of people we've never met.
Classifying millions of people into giant lump categories simply on the basis of race is at best ignorant and at worst racist.
As to feeling substandard, I clearly feel threatened by this argument which is why I'm defending myself.
As to what people feel beyond that... I can only guess and that's all you or anyone else can do either.
You don't know what I think. And I don't know what you think. All we have are our words and our observations.
As to what I was born into. You have no idea. I have no idea what you were born into. And I am not responsible for what people did before I was born. I had no part in their choices. So I don't care what they did.
Furthermore, you can't associate me with simply because we share skin tones. That silly. I don't even share blood with the people that did those things and neither do a lot of white people.
There are a lot of us. The ancestors of some white people did some nasty stuff. So you want to claim ALL white people today are responsible for that? Comically racist. At most you could hold direct descendants responsible and only in so far as property that was inherited from those people. But that's it.
Most of my ancestors in those days were so far down the pecking order that they didn't decide anything or oppress anyone. They were at best the oppressed themselves.
In this enlightened age, my bloodline has come to these shores and made a life in this new land. And here I am in the 21st century being asked to account for the actions of men that died before I was born that aren't even blood relations of myself?
Please.
As to insults hurting someone because it actually describes who they are... White people are called "whitey" or other similar things all the time.
We do take it as bigotry and it does hurt us.
But rather then try to make a civil rights issue out of it, we instead lower our estimation of the person that delivered it. And of course if we can find some way to pay the insult back... within proportion... then we're human beings like everyone else and will of course revenge ourselves if wronged.
Seriously, brother... If you prick me do I not bleed? Your whole argument rests upon the belief that white people are ultimately inhuman. That nothing touches us. We're as human as anyone else.
Push us around and we're going to push you back one way or the other.
As to your fixes:
1. I have no problem with cleaning up the community but do not try to use anti discrimination rhetoric to do it.
You say "people need to be nice to other people"... or your argument will be taken as an attack against white men or whomever is the villain of your fiction. And we will undermine the effort.
Why would we do otherwise. Its an attack. We will defend and then counter attack.
Seriously... my problem with her post was the claim that men are discriminating against women.
We're not. They told us they wanted to be treated like equals and we took them at their word. Do you want to be treated like an equal... with all the ugly back and forth that some times comes with that... or do you want to be treated like a protected class?
Choose.
This is the eleventh strawman argument used against me in this thread.
The topic was complaining about WOMEN being treated badly.
I countered that they were actually just being treated like MEN. And that if they don't want to be treated like MEN then we would be happy to treat them like WOMEN.
What you are saying is that "MEN treat other MEN badly and shouldn't"... I don't disagree.
However, that isn't sexism. The WOMAN in this post accused MEN of sexism when really the MEN were treating her as an equal.
Now if she instead said "PEOPLE treat other PEOPLE badly sometimes" then that would be a different argument.
Your strawman argument was stupid. Don't do it again unless you want to be taken for either a moron or a degenerate. And that is not an example of someone on the internet being mean to someone else on the internet. Strawmen arguments are logically fallacious and often examples of dishonest rhetorical styles. People that use them either are so ignorant that they don't know how to make an argument or they're so dishonest that they don't care.
Don't do it again... please.
do you know anything about setting up personal DNS servers? I think your idea would be even better as a personal DNS server. This way a whole network could be immunized at once and it would be cross platform. All the computers and smartphones and tablets.
I've never set up my own DNS server but your whole concept seems especially applicable in that application. After all, lets say I have 30 machines. I don't want to install and update all 30 machines with this host file all the time. And I dont' even want to install it on the machine every time I reinstall. And then there are the other platforms that have to be secured as well that won't be compatible with your solution.
If we just have a custom DNS server on our local network then that would provide most of this protection very easily.
We could even put the DNS server into something like a Raspberry pi. A cheap 35 dollar computer that could instantly immunize a whole network. Point the router at the raspberry pi and the whole network is immunized.
I'm guessing this is the tenth strawman argument in a row I've had to deal with so far. Congratulations.
Threatening someone with rape is not treating them like a girl. Being threatened with rape is something men deal with all the time however.
If a man says to another man "I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU RAW"... what is that? Its interpreted often as a threat to do violence and not actually rape the person. But literally the statement is a threat to rape. And men deal with that sort of comment all the time without trying to make a civil rights issue out of it.
Yesterday, I had a guy get of his car and chase my car with a baseball bat.
What did I do? I spun my car around, moved towards the man with my car about six feet, enough that he knew I could have just run his stupid ass over if I felt like it, literally this big guy with a baseball bat was instantly scared shitless, then I said out my side window "I don't have time for you", then spun my car around, and drove away.
This is the glory of the manual transmission. Very fast acceleration over very short distances.
That is how a man deals with a threat of violence.
What the woman is asking for here is to be protected. Literally that is what she is saying here. "Protect me"... "I'm a victim"... "there are bad people and they hurt my feelings." Men don't ask for that. We protect ourselves. Up to the point of going to thermonuclear war. Literally.
If women want to compete with men they need to be able to deal with that without instantly screaming like children for help.
Toughen up or bow out.
This is a strawman argument.
I made it clear that women could be treated the same as men or be treated as women.
Those are their options. In western society, how do we treat men?
That is what I'm asking women to accept if they want to compete with men.
If you are competing for my job then don't expect me to pull punches or go easy on you. If its you or me and you've put yourself out as my equal. Then I'm not going to go easy on you. This is generally what women keep asking for however. They keep asking to be included in competitive environments and then when subjected to ACTUAL competition they cry foul because its often harsh and brutal.
Tough shit. You've joined a game of water polo. If all you want to do is play with pool noodles and splash each other then go back to the shallow end. Or if you want to just do laps then go to the marked off area where people swim back and forth alone. But in the game of water polo which you've said you want to be included in... get tough or get out.
As to women holding mutually exclusive ideas. Many men can do that as well. Its something we're encourage not to do but anyone with any wisdom figures it out eventually.
That said, Aristotle was not wrong when he said that two mutually exclusive things cannot be true at the same time in the same sense.
The relevant point there is "in the same sense"... a point which colors the nature of what you're talking about in the first place.
If and when anyone man or women or sentient gerbil attempts to make an argument that says two mutually exclusive things are true at the same time in the same sense... they're simply wrong.
End of story.
More stupid strawman arguments.
if the women in question were being subjected to levels of abuse beyond what men were getting it wouldn't be seen as acceptable.
People get away with the abuse against women in those environments because the abuse in question isn't really abuse. Its the normal back and forth you find in any competitive work place.
Note... COMPETITIVE work place. Not a cubicle drone farm. Those are not competitive work places.
In anything competitive, people are going to get nasty. It might be openly nasty or it might be a highly choreographed dance of destruction. Consider many asian cultures that have many social rules governing conduct. And yet, objectively there is still exploitation... if anything the rules often serve to reinforce or formalize the exploitation.
If civility is all you want then I'll warn you that anyone clever can insult or dominate you just as easily while being perfectly civil.
Manners are no indication of good will.
As to wanting to be protected from my male society, I think I made it clear that you are being offered that freely.
However, upon claiming that you are going to be excluded from it at our discretion.
Choose. Do you want to participate in male society or not?
Join and suffer the stings of battle with a smile on your face and blood in your eyes.
Or bow out and we will protect you from us.
Its one or the other. End of line. End of story. Period.
Choose.
If western culture supports rape then all cultures do and therefore it would be more correct to say that human culture supports it.
I disagree with the premise but by your logic it would be unreasonable to put this at the feet of western culture specifically but rather attribute it to a basic human quality.
At which point you're not able to play this game against the evil white man. Rather, you're dealing with fundamental qualities of the human species itself encompassing all races, creeds, ideologies, and genders.
This is a fallacious game played against the incurious and stupid by the incurious and dishonest.
I'm neither incurious, stupid, or dishonest.
I am willing to deal with the complexity of the argument and work out all the details until it comes to a conclusion.
I am clever enough to keep all the relevant logic in mind and cross reference all points in proper context.
And I am introspective and humble enough to know my limitations and I have a deep respect for intellectual integrity such that if I am wrong I will happily commit rhetorical seppuku as honor demands.
The above statements which will sound like bragging to the callow are a statement of ability to deal with complex philosophical issues. Nothing more or less.
And as such, I am neither afraid nor confused by these issues. Its just math to me. Simple math at that.
As I said above, men are subjected to verbal abuse all the time.
I was recently cussed out in a game I played the other day. The kid was furious.
Did I immediately cite the kid for discrimination? He said some very unflattering things.
No. Men have been dealing and receiving abuse of this kind for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Thousands. Probably tens of thousands.
And here this women comes into this situation and says its not okay.
Really? When did that happen?
Oh, when YOU showed up.
Look, if she wanted to say that people are sometimes mean to people and should be nicer... that's fine.
Make that argument for what its worth.
But that isn't what she said. She said that women specifically are discriminated against or subject to extra abuse. That is bullshit. They're not subject to extra abuse. Actually, they're subject to less in most cases. Significantly less. But even that reduced amount that they get is often intolerable because what they want is to be protected.
And again... that's fine. Declare yourself a protected class and you'll get the protection.
Men are going to be harsh in any competitive situation. Its in our nature. If women want to enter fields where men are competing then they need to be able to deal with that harshness or they need to bow out.
It is not acceptable to join the community and then demand that everyone change the way everything is done simply because your feelings hilariously sensitive while everyone else just laughs at rivals that attempt to wound them with words.
Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Literally that. You could sit there and concoct what you think of as the most hurtful prose imaginable and it would roll off me like water off a duck. It would be nothing to me.
This is something most men learn from an early age. We tease each other mercilessly as children. It toughens us up. We cry and fume as children. And by the time we're adults... those of us that that went through this right of passage are immune.
This is part of being an adult. In centuries past women were not expected to be true adults. Not entirely responsible or capable of dealing with an occasionally harsh world.
But its the 21st century and women want to enter the game.
The well, the rules of the game are not changing simple because the women don't like them.
Those are the rules. Deal with it.
Now here, women will attempt to use their various special abilities to get what they want anyway. Women still have vestiges of their old special privileges which they can use to get leverage. They can also use their advanced command of certain social skills that men often lack.
The problem with that is that that only works against weak men. Competitive men have all those skills too.
These are the rules. Deal with it or step away from the table.
And that's bullshit too because we're all just people. I'm tired of racists and sexists attempting use fallacious logic to effectively claim we're all different breeds or species.
We're all people. I'm a man. I'm a human being. You don't get to say I have less rights because of the color of my skin or the nature of my genitals.
That is respectively racist or sexist.
You don't get to tell me what I think or why I think something unless I likewise get the ability to tell you what you think or why you think that.
Furthermore, you don't get to say why you feel something unless I get to say why I feel something.
That is equality.
You're upset because white people in generations past dominated other people, built empires, built elaborate philosophical models, made huge advances in science, engineering, etc...
I had no part in any of that. You don't get to say I have less rights because of what people did before I was born that happen to have the same shade of skin.
Lets say black people did all that stuff in ages past... would that then mean that black people don't have a right to express themselves? Would that mean that anyone that just happens to be black is not entitled to an opinion. And that any moron that isn't black can just tell them what they think indifferent to how fucking stupid it is?
Obviously not.
And guess what, just because some white people did some stuff long before I was born... it doesn't mean I have less rights.
End of story.
As to the stories of non-white people and females being harder to find. How is that my fault? Should we burn Shakespeare because he was white and had a penis? Should we burn Mozart?
If you want more non-white stories then write one. And yeah, I appreciate its hard to compete against the likes of Shakespeare or Hemingway. But its racist and sexist to just see these guys as white men.
They're people. They're human beings. Stop seeing everyone in racist terms. Are you saying that the great authors of western society have stories that are not applicable to people from other cultures or genders? That's nonsense. These works of art are appreciated all over the world. The Chinese and Japanese appreciate them and are great fans of western opera.
Sadly your argument is largely a political ploy by groups in the US mostly that see exploiting white guilt and male chivalry to gain power. Its classic passive aggression. They'll claim the victim card to soften up the opposition and create a firewall around themselves against any attack. And then when the heat is off they strike out to claim ground. Any defense against an attack is deflected by aggressively calling all rivals racists or sexists.
The likes of Al Sharpton are masters of this tactic. Its lets such people call Jews for example diamond merchants or other racist comments and then turn around and call someone else racist.
Its a game. And the only people that support it are the incurious, stupid, or corrupt.
I'm assuming you're simply incurious. Which is fine... however, I would ask that you refrain from offering strong points in any issue you've not thought about deeply. Its merely annoying to others that have.
That's not what this post was whining about. it was whining about women specifically being discriminated against.
A point which is stupid because they're really not. They're just treated like everyone else and some women don't like that. They want to be treated better.
And that's fine... if they accept declare themselves a protected class. Male chivalry will of course provide them the protection they desire.
But that comes with a price. Women need to make a choice as to what they want their position in society to be...
Do they want to be equals and thus ineligible for special treatment.
Or do they want to be a protected class and therefore unable to claim discrimination when excluded from highly competitive male interests.
For example... take sports. Should women compete against men in the Olympics or professional sports?
Here like elsewhere, women have to make the choice of whether they want to be protected or afforded equality. Women currently have made the choice that they want to be protected in sports. They have their own distinct Olympic medals and competitions. They don't compete against men in sports. Women cannot claim discrimination when not permitted to join male competitions for this reason.
Its either/or.
You either compete and play by the same rules with no special consideration or quarter given... no mercy... no hesitation... no remorse.
Or you're a protected class and any admittance you have to anything we protect you from happens at our discretion.
Just that simple. End of discussion. End of line. Choose.
I'll just let wonka break it down:
http://heeereswilly.ytmnd.com/
I'm not the one that brought other countries into the discussion. My point was about my own society.
If someone else wants to expand the argument then guess what... the argument expands. And suddenly rather then pointing at the evil white people in the western world you're now dealing with people in africa and the middle east doing genital mutilations and various other fun stuff from around the world.
If you want to reconstruct the argument to just the US or western world that's fine. You can do that. But you're not going to undermine my larger point by expanding the issue. I'll just expand my counter argument and if anything my point is stronger in a larger context.
All this said, I can't really respond to you in full. I got dog piled by a million morons and this board has flood control. So I can't actually reply to more then a couple of you and I don't see that your further posts will be worth my limited post rations.
I was already determined not to do business with them. Now I'm really glad I've had that policy. They're scum.
... okay... tell me a non-western country where any of this PC horseshit is given credence?
Show me a non-western country that is constantly obsessing about race, gender, etc and constantly struggling prove one group or the other is more of a victim then the other as they pathetically compete for grant money and public attention?
Wrong. You're asking to be treated with MORE respect then a man.
Because the man gets cused out every day. The man gets abuse that is sent at him with the intention of breaking down his ego and making him crack. And if the man does crack... no one feels bad for him. To the contrary, he is held in contempt for being so weak.
That is equality.
Women don't want that. They want to be treated as like women AND be given the respect of men.
Women are not respected. Women are protected.
If you're benefiting from that protection then you can't claim equality.
You're either equal or you're not. You're either willing to deal with the same shit the men deal with every day or you expect SPECIAL treatment just for you.
And if you think you're entitled to it... then I'd like to know why and what you're willing to pay for it?
Because... men are quite happy to renew the old social arrangement.
Women will be protected from male society. We will protect you from our viciousness and brutality. And in return... you stay out of our business.
That was the old arrangement.
If you want in... that fine. But you will not be protected from viciousness and brutality if you enter our world. This is how it works.
Choose.
Then just ask for people to be nice without wrapping the whole discussion in some bullshit PC misogyny turd burrito.
You're right, white men don't ever suffer insults or attacks on them simply for being white males.
Oh wait, you just did that. This sort of crap is what white men have to deal with. This suggestion that everyone in the world is a victim except us.
Everyone is deserving of all sorts of special considerations and we're deserving of nothing.
If we complain its just a sign of our racism or sexism.
Everyone is allowed to offer opinions about us. Tell us why we feel one way or another about anything. But if we try to say why someone else feels something then you say "You don't know what its like to not be a white man"...
Well that's interesting. White men are apparently the only group of people on earth not gifted with fucking telepathy.
People presume to tell us what we think and we're often not even allowed to say why we think something. How many times have white men been told that they don't even know how racist they are? That our racism or sexism is subconscious.
Which means not only are we not allowed to say what other people think but we're not even afforded the right to say what WE think.
And it is in this environment that you presume talk to us about all this PC bullshit?
And they wonder why we get upset. Its bullshit. This is a bullshit issue. Ladies can toughen up like the men or admit they want to be treated differently and get treated like girls.
Their choice. The big problem we keep running into over and over again is that people keep trying to eat their cake and have it too.
People keep asking for equality AND special treatment. No.
You're either equal or you're not.
People keep asking for rights but take no responsibility for themselves. No.
If you're not responsible for yourself then you're not entitled to the rights. An example would be children... they're not responsible and so they don't have adult level rights.
Just what is... If you want the one you've got to pay with the other just like everyone else.
I'm not asking for anything that I don't ask from myself.
Oh I know, I'm a privileged white male and I don't know how hard it is... It doesn't matter. That argument just says you need protection. Fine. Happily provided. But the instant you cash that check the equality argument goes out the window. You're a protected class at that point. Not an equal.
NSA and FBI don't want you to know they've broken TOR.
There are several ways you can break TOR. It's been talked about here for some time. They want computer criminals to think they're safe so long as they stay in tor and use bitcoins etc. They're not. Its trickier to track people down through tor but far from impossible.
men say this stuff to other men all the time.
You don't think men call other men bitches, cunts, etc in games? The abuse is pretty common.
The difference here as usual is that women expect to be treated differently. They don't think that's what they want but it is actually what they want.
And I'm okay with treating women better. However, if that's the new rule, then women need to acknowledge it. That's the only price. If women so much as acknowledge that men are treating them with kid gloves it short circuits most of the PC equality arguments.
As it should.
If women don't want that and want to be treated equal... then fine... but that means not complaining when you're treated like a man. Which is going to mean getting cussed out by people that will LAUGH at you when you cry. People that will show you ZERO pity when you break down. People that will if anything hold you in contempt for being so weak.
Are you prepared for that ladies? If so... game on.
If not... completely fine. But then we're playing by the old rules of male/female relations. Which means you're just a girl.
We've seen this PC crap try to gain purchase in the tech community for years. Linus Thorvald recently got told to be nicer women and that he shouldn't cus out people that he thinks are doing a crappy job.
He told her that she wasn't tolerating his culture and his way of doing things... and that he wasn't going to change anything.
I'll hold the same position here for the same reasons. If the girls want to be treated like girls then that's fine. If they want to be treated like men, that's fine. But stop trying to eat your man cake and have your girl perks too. Its either/or.