Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree
I think they openned the 2.3 tree a couple of days after 2.2.0 was released. After all, I've been using 2.4.0 since test12 and it's been really stable for me (not a single crash)
it was sort-of expected.
I remember when corel first announced its involvement with linux telling a windows-powered:) friend of mine how this has the potential to change the face of linux. However corel made several BIG mistakes:
Their distribution is always out of date (sort of like the stable branch of debian:)
Kept adding/backporting staff to KDE 1.1 which eventually ended up in KDE2 (corel wrote a great file-manager for KDE1, but there's konqueror now!), which (KDE2) was never included in their distro
No support of gnome.
WINE-I can understand that it seemed like idea to use wine for huge projects like corel draw etc. But why use wine for wordperfect?! Corel was one of the very few companies to actually have a native linux wordprocessor (wordperfect 8). Why ditch that and go with wine? This essentially ripped people off. And the so WPO 2000 was _extremely_ unstable, was an extreme pain to install under modern (i.e. XF86-4.0) distros, and VERY slow! I can run office2000 PERFECTLY on a p200 under win2k. WPO-2000 was unresponsive in my k6-2 400 & 192MB of ram. Plus during one crash, it decided to trash my current document (and the backup) leaving me frustrated to say the least. And how can wpo2000 compete with Staroffice which is free?
No download/evaluation/free version (apart from photo-paint)
Crappy installer: the installer for wpo2000 depended on a certain utility (which I cannot remember at the moment). If your distro didn't have it, the installer would not install ANYTHING, but it would report that installation went perfectly ok! Can you say q&a? Plus the installer wasn't at all customisable! At least the office installer lets you change install locations, install parts of the applications etc. Not so for corel's installer
slow-slow-slow (I know I mentioned that:)
The "you must be 18 to install this product issue" (there was a really cool UF cartoon about it:)
After wpo was released, they stopped contributing to wine
Fontastic: Why the hell do I need _ANOTHER_ font server for an application? My fontserver already had ttf support! And installing fonts to fontastic was a pain...
Bye-bye corel... it sure was a nice dream...
I've been using java for 3 years now under linux. The situation isn't half as bad.
Most linux people (non java people in general) tried java once, when it was at version 1.0 . What poeple do not seem to grasp, is that java has become _a lot_ faster since then. Certainly, some parts of Java are still slow. For example, initial application loading and SWING. However, I happilly run java text applications that I develop under a 486/dx2 66. Since java's initial release, many companies have been interested in it, most notably IBM. And IBM's jdk for linux is FAST. IBM's Java 2 SDK 1.3 was actually out for linux before sun's was.
Java is also the most elegant programming language that I have ever used (granted, I haven't programmed with any functional language other than prolog yet). It most certainly isn't bloated. It simply provides a HUGE library of functions/classes and methods, but it doesn't load them all on startup, only the ones that you actually use. And that's a very good thing, because it provides programmers with fast implementations of very usable tools like hashtables, StringTokenizers etc. It's like complaining that C is bloated, because of GLIB. Moreover, remember that Sun provides a Java Virtual Machine that runs on PalmOS machines. Can you say "light-weight?". You can actually run java applications (and FAST! (there's even an AWT implementation for the PALM)) on that 16Mhz Dragonball processor with 2 MB of ram. Java is also getting more and more accepted. Do you people know that recent versions of GCC (2.95.2 I think) can actually COMPILE java code to native code? For people not liking swing who only want do develop applications for Linux, there are even GTK bindings (and a GTK look-and-feel) for Java. This effectively means tighter desktop integration. Java also provides a formidable Remote Procedure Call framework.
Java is also extremely well documented. Anyone who has taken a peek at the javadoc can certify that.
I understand that Java is under a non-liberal licence. This needs to change, and I seriously believe that it is going to. Sun has claimed that it fears that the java spec will fork. Can you not blaim them? Every week we hear stories about the Linux kernel going to fork. I don't believe that either java or linux is going to fork, but I can understand sun's worries.
I also think that the cease-and-desist letters that taco got sucked, but that's hardly a reason to hate Java!
Try IBM's jdk-1.3. Apart from initial loading, you'll find that it's almost as fast as C++.
Now, given that pinstripe (redhat 7 beta) was out for a long time and given that redhat is a pretty huge company (for Linux-related companies'standards), why weren't these errors detected?
BTW: Those bugs have been just fixed. They were glibc bugs. See http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10 -09-009-04-NW-RH
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yes it is :)
Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree
I think they openned the 2.3 tree a couple of days after 2.2.0 was released. After all, I've been using 2.4.0 since test12 and it's been really stable for me (not a single crash)
you can find 2.4.0 here: ftp://rohirrim.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 Please be easy on me :)
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Their distribution is always out of date (sort of like the stable branch of debian :)
Kept adding/backporting staff to KDE 1.1 which eventually ended up in KDE2 (corel wrote a great file-manager for KDE1, but there's konqueror now!), which (KDE2) was never included in their distro
No support of gnome.
WINE-I can understand that it seemed like idea to use wine for huge projects like corel draw etc. But why use wine for wordperfect?! Corel was one of the very few companies to actually have a native linux wordprocessor (wordperfect 8). Why ditch that and go with wine? This essentially ripped people off. And the so WPO 2000 was _extremely_ unstable, was an extreme pain to install under modern (i.e. XF86-4.0) distros, and VERY slow! I can run office2000 PERFECTLY on a p200 under win2k. WPO-2000 was unresponsive in my k6-2 400 & 192MB of ram. Plus during one crash, it decided to trash my current document (and the backup) leaving me frustrated to say the least. And how can wpo2000 compete with Staroffice which is free?
No download/evaluation/free version (apart from photo-paint)
Crappy installer: the installer for wpo2000 depended on a certain utility (which I cannot remember at the moment). If your distro didn't have it, the installer would not install ANYTHING, but it would report that installation went perfectly ok! Can you say q&a? Plus the installer wasn't at all customisable! At least the office installer lets you change install locations, install parts of the applications etc. Not so for corel's installer
slow-slow-slow (I know I mentioned that :)
The "you must be 18 to install this product issue" (there was a really cool UF cartoon about it :)
After wpo was released, they stopped contributing to wine
Fontastic: Why the hell do I need _ANOTHER_ font server for an application? My fontserver already had ttf support! And installing fonts to fontastic was a pain... Bye-bye corel... it sure was a nice dream...
I've been using java for 3 years now under linux. The situation isn't half as bad. Most linux people (non java people in general) tried java once, when it was at version 1.0 . What poeple do not seem to grasp, is that java has become _a lot_ faster since then. Certainly, some parts of Java are still slow. For example, initial application loading and SWING. However, I happilly run java text applications that I develop under a 486/dx2 66. Since java's initial release, many companies have been interested in it, most notably IBM. And IBM's jdk for linux is FAST. IBM's Java 2 SDK 1.3 was actually out for linux before sun's was. Java is also the most elegant programming language that I have ever used (granted, I haven't programmed with any functional language other than prolog yet). It most certainly isn't bloated. It simply provides a HUGE library of functions/classes and methods, but it doesn't load them all on startup, only the ones that you actually use. And that's a very good thing, because it provides programmers with fast implementations of very usable tools like hashtables, StringTokenizers etc. It's like complaining that C is bloated, because of GLIB. Moreover, remember that Sun provides a Java Virtual Machine that runs on PalmOS machines. Can you say "light-weight?". You can actually run java applications (and FAST! (there's even an AWT implementation for the PALM)) on that 16Mhz Dragonball processor with 2 MB of ram. Java is also getting more and more accepted. Do you people know that recent versions of GCC (2.95.2 I think) can actually COMPILE java code to native code? For people not liking swing who only want do develop applications for Linux, there are even GTK bindings (and a GTK look-and-feel) for Java. This effectively means tighter desktop integration. Java also provides a formidable Remote Procedure Call framework. Java is also extremely well documented. Anyone who has taken a peek at the javadoc can certify that. I understand that Java is under a non-liberal licence. This needs to change, and I seriously believe that it is going to. Sun has claimed that it fears that the java spec will fork. Can you not blaim them? Every week we hear stories about the Linux kernel going to fork. I don't believe that either java or linux is going to fork, but I can understand sun's worries. I also think that the cease-and-desist letters that taco got sucked, but that's hardly a reason to hate Java! Try IBM's jdk-1.3. Apart from initial loading, you'll find that it's almost as fast as C++.
- xmms would hang on exit each and every time
- jdk-1.2.2 (sun) would not run (segfault)
Now, given that pinstripe (redhat 7 beta) was out for a long time and given that redhat is a pretty huge company (for Linux-related companies'standards), why weren't these errors detected? BTW: Those bugs have been just fixed. They were glibc bugs. See http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-1