( that's got to be the lowest slashdot i've yet gotten a reply from:) )
that makes some sense, when I said 'portscanning' I wasn't really thinking of applying it en-masse, but if it can be, then there's more sense to the issue.
Unfortunately I was not on the internet in those days, and would not have known that. thanks for the info:)
OK let's take your example. I don't know what services you have operating on your computer. you could have a webpage, ftp site, time server, mail relay, and many, many more neat things running. but how would i find out about it? well, as you mentioned, there's search engines, but google's smoking many search engines straight out of the water, and despite my love for google, I fear that one day they may simply 'turn off' and leave the internet, nay, me, without a conviniently sorted catologue of www sites. let's forget the www, though, because it is so common, and if i wanted to know if you had a www site, and i knew your ip address, i would simply put your ip address in the url feild of my browser of choice. Relay? well, your relay is out in the open...why wouldn't you want others using it if you have it running? and if you don't want others not using, why not configure it as such? I could understand not wanting it to be *abused* but this is a different issue altogether.
"If I never told you you could use my open relay, you really should not" why? this makes no sense, whatsoever. it's not like the use of an open relay, as i understand it(i'm not an email expert of any sorts) requires anything more than bandwidth and bare minnimum computational power/hd space/etc. and as another post in this thread mentioned, portscanning can be network intensive, and if bandwidth were an issue, it would be noticed during the scan.
The truth is that there are many, many types of servers, many protocols, and many people who provide them. while most people don't have any servers of any kind, i see no sense at all forbidding people from looking through lists of servers operating openly(open as in, out in the open) on a specific host.
"portscan their dorm"
and what exactly, is wrong with portscanning?
...Isn't that how the internet was navigated, pre-gopher?
My university doesn't seem to want us portscanning either...will someone please explain why this is in any way a big deal? (without using the excuse "windows has security holes and if you see security holes you MIGHT use them to crack into the system" ) It's not as if there's a limited amount of bandwidth on that level...
trading mp3s...movies...i can understand giving people shit for that, but portscanning? how else are you supposed to navigate the internet????
OK fair enough, that comment has some merit. i never RTFWS, and very, very seldom do./. comments are the only thing mildly entertaining here.
Two issues
what if you only have a 286 or a 386? will your cpu be able to handle the computational necessity?
If yes, then wouldn't it totally trivialize the attempt at stopping spam?
If no, then wouldn't it reduce the amount of people who could send email?
no way.
as a canadian i know my government has done quite
lot of wrong...but they are made of descent people with descent intentions, with a few exceptions.
I think the american government is totalitarian and fascist, to a growing degree each year.
a lot of americans say that they have the best government and that totalitarian places like china should adopt their form of government.
a lot of the chinese(the only iranian) i've talked to about the situation seem to think the american government is a totalitarian government(the people being just honest folk), etc.
some places think they have the best place to live in the world.
but sender-pay systems do NOT work. Most people are not going to use a pay service, period. The beauty of email is that it enables you to communicate with everyone, and the problems of email are that it enables you to communicate with everyone. Now one could say that the problems concerned with email are that it is too easily abused by scam artists and spammers -- well guess what, in the real world, there is a hell of a lot of perverse scam artists and spammers and if you want to communicate with the rest of the world you are sooner or later realize that it's crawling with them.
People in rural india, or anywhere else impoverished are not going to be able to afford fees to transmit their email, nevermind people without paypal/credit card/etc (ie most people), and this type of exclusion is exactly what is not needed in the world -- keep the internet free. If you must, hunt down spammers, and CRUCIFY them, but don't ruin the media as a whole. That would be letting the spammers win. Marketing scams and corporate brainwashing are more successful when you don't have 5 billion other people to compare notes with.
But the evil daemon we all know as microsoft could have convinced you, AC, that you are not using windows, when in fact you are. Since microsoft, being the evil daemon is so potent, they could easily convince you that you are really typing all this in to an elinks box when in reality you are nothing more than a windows users brain floating in a vat! So while you are, you exist is true, any time you think or utter it... "I am off of windows" could be false, even if you beleive it true, if you were fooled by an absolutely powerful microsoft daemon. Descartes would have never made that mistake! He knew far better than that. Or at least I think he might have.;)
bad idea
thanks for excluding all blind people from being able to contribute, and seriously pissing off anyone using lynx/elinks.
Besides, there are 'automated' ways around these letters, and has been for quite some time.
Automated systems aren't the problem. It's the people who are using the automated systems.
If the internet has associated the ideas "miserable failure" and "bush" together, then I'm sorry, you are just going to have to live with this. Just because you can't see the connection, a connection so strong that it is the number one connection measured at this location currently, doesn't mean that it's not a valid one.
When I use a search engine, I am NOT looking for a webpage with the words that I enter in, ie example if I were to search for "miserable failure" I would not be looking for a webpage with "miserable failure", but rather the meaning behind those two words, and the best examples of webpages that describe miserable failures, the state of being a miserable failure, or something in relation to the state of being a miserable failure. The internet seems to agree that bush is an example of the above. If poeple wanted to look for the exact words they type into google, when they use google, google would not provide spelling suggestions when mis-spellings occur...this is yet another example at how the meaning is what is sought, not the words.
The 'webpage must contain text' / plaintext search idea just plain sucks. This is how search engines used to rank, wasn't it? And didn't google blow them all out of the water, so to speak? Because it worked better, and was less prone to abuse?
And what really on the internet, would be a good idea of "miserable failure", other than bush? (feel free to link to it) There is doubless imprvement to be made on google...but it's pretty damn good as it is.
simple solution: Hire more developers. God only knows there's an infinite supply of unemployed desperate developers out there.
"Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!..."
People create it, becuse THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY, and there is a demand for it. just thought I'd clarify that.
If you support America and it's capitalism, you are supporting child sexual exploitation.
putting money into savings instead of spending it on basic necessities supports the capitalist social-ecconomic practice that makes you unfree in the first place.
why is death a problem?
Do you want to die today or tomorrow?
I don't give a flying fuck about the natural world, or the order of things in it. I will survive, if I can, period. Sure I'll die eventually, but not with my permission.
The healthiest, and most importantly skinniest people I know, are more or less all the ones
that don't ever eat a whole meal: they continually graze, snack and it suits them well.
This is not to say that they ever eat junk food, or anything of the sort, they just eat nuts, fruit, vegetables, etc, and somehow live off that.
Personally, I think if you can avoid macdonalds, grease-pits like it, and really fast food in general you can be pretty healthy, comparitively.
I like my noodles. noodles+mushrooms. mmmm
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the grandparent is not offtopic.
in fact...i've actually heard jello biafra say those words live, come to think of it.
( that's got to be the lowest slashdot i've yet gotten a reply from :) )
that makes some sense, when I said 'portscanning' I wasn't really thinking of applying it en-masse, but if it can be, then there's more sense to the issue.
:)
Unfortunately I was not on the internet in those days, and would not have known that. thanks for the info
OK let's take your example. I don't know what services you have operating on your computer. you could have a webpage, ftp site, time server, mail relay, and many, many more neat things running. but how would i find out about it? well, as you mentioned, there's search engines, but google's smoking many search engines straight out of the water, and despite my love for google, I fear that one day they may simply 'turn off' and leave the internet, nay, me, without a conviniently sorted catologue of www sites. let's forget the www, though, because it is so common, and if i wanted to know if you had a www site, and i knew your ip address, i would simply put your ip address in the url feild of my browser of choice. Relay? well, your relay is out in the open...why wouldn't you want others using it if you have it running? and if you don't want others not using, why not configure it as such? I could understand not wanting it to be *abused* but this is a different issue altogether.
"If I never told you you could use my open relay, you really should not" why? this makes no sense, whatsoever. it's not like the use of an open relay, as i understand it(i'm not an email expert of any sorts) requires anything more than bandwidth and bare minnimum computational power/hd space/etc. and as another post in this thread mentioned, portscanning can be network intensive, and if bandwidth were an issue, it would be noticed during the scan.
The truth is that there are many, many types of servers, many protocols, and many people who provide them. while most people don't have any servers of any kind, i see no sense at all forbidding people from looking through lists of servers operating openly(open as in, out in the open) on a specific host.
"portscan their dorm"
and what exactly, is wrong with portscanning?
...Isn't that how the internet was navigated, pre-gopher?
My university doesn't seem to want us portscanning either...will someone please explain why this is in any way a big deal? (without using the excuse "windows has security holes and if you see security holes you MIGHT use them to crack into the system" ) It's not as if there's a limited amount of bandwidth on that level...
trading mp3s...movies...i can understand giving people shit for that, but portscanning? how else are you supposed to navigate the internet????
OK fair enough, that comment has some merit. i never RTFWS, and very, very seldom do. /. comments are the only thing mildly entertaining here.
Two issues
what if you only have a 286 or a 386? will your cpu be able to handle the computational necessity?
If yes, then wouldn't it totally trivialize the attempt at stopping spam?
If no, then wouldn't it reduce the amount of people who could send email?
I think "No" but the website suggests "Yes"...
i didn't reply to the grandparent.
no way. as a canadian i know my government has done quite lot of wrong...but they are made of descent people with descent intentions, with a few exceptions. I think the american government is totalitarian and fascist, to a growing degree each year.
a lot of americans say that they have the best government and that totalitarian places like china should adopt their form of government.
a lot of the chinese(the only iranian) i've talked to about the situation seem to think the american government is a totalitarian government(the people being just honest folk), etc.
some places think they have the best place to live in the world.
but sender-pay systems do NOT work. Most people are not going to use a pay service, period. The beauty of email is that it enables you to communicate with everyone, and the problems of email are that it enables you to communicate with everyone. Now one could say that the problems concerned with email are that it is too easily abused by scam artists and spammers -- well guess what, in the real world, there is a hell of a lot of perverse scam artists and spammers and if you want to communicate with the rest of the world you are sooner or later realize that it's crawling with them.
People in rural india, or anywhere else impoverished are not going to be able to afford fees to transmit their email, nevermind people without paypal/credit card/etc (ie most people), and this type of exclusion is exactly what is not needed in the world -- keep the internet free. If you must, hunt down spammers, and CRUCIFY them, but don't ruin the media as a whole. That would be letting the spammers win. Marketing scams and corporate brainwashing are more successful when you don't have 5 billion other people to compare notes with.
You have certainly not heard any vogon poetry recently...
cheers to that.
But the evil daemon we all know as microsoft could have convinced you, AC, that you are not using windows, when in fact you are. Since microsoft, being the evil daemon is so potent, they could easily convince you that you are really typing all this in to an elinks box when in reality you are nothing more than a windows users brain floating in a vat! So while you are, you exist is true, any time you think or utter it... "I am off of windows" could be false, even if you beleive it true, if you were fooled by an absolutely powerful microsoft daemon. Descartes would have never made that mistake! He knew far better than that. Or at least I think he might have. ;)
I don't use one and I'm proud of this fact d: fancy spellin i save fer english papers.
seriously though. google's algorythm works.
bad idea
thanks for excluding all blind people from being able to contribute, and seriously pissing off anyone using lynx/elinks. Besides, there are 'automated' ways around these letters, and has been for quite some time.
Automated systems aren't the problem. It's the people who are using the automated systems.
If the internet has associated the ideas "miserable failure" and "bush" together, then I'm sorry, you are just going to have to live with this. Just because you can't see the connection, a connection so strong that it is the number one connection measured at this location currently, doesn't mean that it's not a valid one.
When I use a search engine, I am NOT looking for a webpage with the words that I enter in, ie example if I were to search for "miserable failure" I would not be looking for a webpage with "miserable failure", but rather the meaning behind those two words, and the best examples of webpages that describe miserable failures, the state of being a miserable failure, or something in relation to the state of being a miserable failure. The internet seems to agree that bush is an example of the above. If poeple wanted to look for the exact words they type into google, when they use google, google would not provide spelling suggestions when mis-spellings occur...this is yet another example at how the meaning is what is sought, not the words.
The 'webpage must contain text' / plaintext search idea just plain sucks. This is how search engines used to rank, wasn't it? And didn't google blow them all out of the water, so to speak? Because it worked better, and was less prone to abuse? And what really on the internet, would be a good idea of "miserable failure", other than bush? (feel free to link to it) There is doubless imprvement to be made on google...but it's pretty damn good as it is.
the reasons they make child porn
1) they are sick perverted freaks
2) they want money
3) demand from the not-they
simple solution: Hire more developers. God only knows there's an infinite supply of unemployed desperate developers out there.
"Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!..."
I'll write you a draconian license agreement. I would not agree to it, but I could write it.
People create it, becuse THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY, and there is a demand for it. just thought I'd clarify that.
If you support America and it's capitalism, you are supporting child sexual exploitation.
putting money into savings instead of spending it on basic necessities supports the capitalist social-ecconomic practice that makes you unfree in the first place.
grocery stores take cheques? what country are you living in????
why is death a problem?
Do you want to die today or tomorrow?
I don't give a flying fuck about the natural world, or the order of things in it. I will survive, if I can, period. Sure I'll die eventually, but not with my permission.
The healthiest, and most importantly skinniest people I know, are more or less all the ones that don't ever eat a whole meal: they continually graze, snack and it suits them well. This is not to say that they ever eat junk food, or anything of the sort, they just eat nuts, fruit, vegetables, etc, and somehow live off that.
Personally, I think if you can avoid macdonalds, grease-pits like it, and really fast food in general you can be pretty healthy, comparitively.
I like my noodles. noodles+mushrooms. mmmm
but what you have to say may very well be truer than you know. you've earned a special place in my quote databases. mod parent up.
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