Because, after all, gamestop should be parenting rather than, oh, I don't know, the parents. If parents wants to let their kids play games all day instead of studying they're not exactly right, but more power to them.
Someone has marked this comment as "insightful" - but I don't see why.
Obviously.
Would you like the reader to jump to the conclusion that because of this similarity we would then treat embryos as we treat infants?
Would you like the reader to jump to the conclusion that because of relationship of seed to tree that we should treat embryos as seeds? Shouldn't we therefore treat infants as saplings? How about a novel approach: Let's treat embryos as embryos?
We treat them as infants, and care for them as they need to be cared for.
We treat them as embryos, and care for them as they need to be cared for.
An embryo would NOT become a human on its own, and this is why we do not treat it as a human. On its own, an embryo stops growing and developing, almost immediately.
An infant would NOT become a human on its own, and this is why we do not treat it as a human. On its own, an infant stops growing and devoloping, almost immediately.
Covered entities and specified individuals, as explained below, whom "knowingly" obtain or disclose individually identifiable health information in violation of the Administrative Simplification Regulations face a fine of up to $50,000, as well as imprisonment up to one year.
Notice that "knowingly" statement?
Sorry, but I think you are wrong on the "probably folded to keep from getting heavily penalized and/or to prevent its directors from being criminally prosecuted under HIPPA". FTA, it's more likely they folded from lack of funding -- as their primary investor pulled out (most likely due to not wanting to tarnish THEIR name...
Clearly the GP is not "completely wrong". The GP is more on the money than he realized.
Although the 9th Circuit's caseload comprised approximately 17% of the federal appellate cases terminated in the year ending March 31, 2002, its decisions accounted for close to half (43%) of all the federal appellate decisions reviewed by the Supreme Court this past term.
Although the 9th Circuit's caseload comprised approximately 17% of the federal appellate cases terminated in the year ending March 31, 2002, its decisions accounted for close to half (43%) of all the federal appellate decisions reviewed by the Supreme Court this past term.
These guys almost have me... if they can get their 4 seater version with hard-doors down to around $6k and increase the top-speed, I'll buy one. Right now, with all the options I want/need, it's closer to $10k. And batteries aren't $20k or $100-$200/month...
Even with the 30 mile limit, I'm fine for "around town" stuff.
I paid about $18k for a new CRV last year (financed $15k of it through a credit card (3.9% -- it's great to have good credit+virtually no debt)). Currently, I can expect a 5 year old CRV in good shape with average miles to be worth between $9k-$12k (between trade in and private sale). That means I would have spent about $8k over 5 years, or about $160/month for the car. The CRV has a pretty decent resale value.
If this thing has, as I expect it to be, a weak resell value, unless you plan on keeping this for a dozen years or more, I don't think you'll see a cheaper per/month cost.
Same payment-to-principal ratio as my current car loan (60 months at 5%, with a local credit union; I'd rather put extra money into quickly paying down the house [which is financed at a higher interest rate with people I don't like so much] rather than an accelerated payoff on the car). Aforementioned credit union still has car loans available well under 6%, though no longer at 5% even (a shame).
You might want to bring up a financial calculator and do the math. You'll note that a 0% loan of $15000 would mean you would have averaged $250/month over 5 years (not including tax+fees). Further, you'll find that 60 months at 5% with 10% down will end up being closer to $280/month once you include tax and fees (asuming the lowball $15k price -- ~$320 at $17k). Planning on a bigger 'down'? May as well divide that across the life of the loan, too to average out the price per month. REMEMBER, $15000 divided by 60 months is $250 per month ALONE -- it doesn't matter if you paid it all at once or not. Calculate the total cost to have this over 5 years.
All that said, I agree with you on the idea of a gas-less car, but I'm not going to spend MORE to get far, far less. My CRV so far has a projected 5 year cost quite a bit less than this thing (gas included). Plus I can carry my family of 5, take it camping, etc etc etc. If I want a 2nd car for local only stuff, why not save money and get another CRV?
Of course, my opinion will change if gas skyrockts (which would totally change the equation). But I can use that extra $100 or more per month savings to pay down my house that much sooner.
Not likely. I'd be paying closer to $230/month to finance said vehicle.
Really? How?
If the car costs about $15000 (the low-estimate of this thing) and you put 10% down, then tack on taxes + fees, expect around $17000. Finance that for 36 months at 5%, you are looking at well over $400/month. Put down 20% and were at around $396/month. If this thing runs $17k, expect to pay closer to $500/month (5% interest/10%down/36 months) I was low-balling it.
Even if you enjoy paying gobs of interest and run that for 60 months (5 years -- 48 and 36 are far more common loan durations), you're still looking at nearly $300/month at 10% down. Also, car loans are currently around 7%, not the 5%.
Think you can get a loan off your home at better than 5%?
Plan on a trade-in to bring down the cost further? Whats the resell value of this thing? Will you be able to recoup much when you want a new/replacement car? Or are you basically tossing away value you could recoup had you went with another car?
If you're in the US, are you really willing to pay over $300/month (if you finance this thing) + $200/month "battery fee" for a two-seater for your wife wife?
When you can spend the exact same out the door and get a decent economy car BEFORE the battery fee? Is it really worth it for you/wife to have a car like this (with it's limitation) JUST to avoid going to the gas station once a week?
The price needs to come down dramatically before I would consider this *IN* the "feasability range", as you put it.
You may not find this vehicle interesting -- but if that's the case, it's not for you.
I never said I didn't find the vehicle interesting, I criticized it's price+"battery fee". And you are right -- it's NOT for ME, if by ME you mean most everyone in the US...
It may be useful at this price in Norway -- but not here -- not yet.
Pay me $200/mo and I'll filter your email for you. Because if you wont buy my service, you are obviously not seeing the bigger picture.
Because if we fail to spend huge gobs of money when cheaper solutions already exist we're all obviously missing something. Since you said it on slashdot, you must be right!
No. I want a $6k CART with dramatic limitations for LOCAL use only -- which would save me maybe $100/month in fuel costs per year. Cheaper than a 2nd car.
If I were looking for a replacement for my PRIMARY car, I'd be willing to pay $15k+ providing the "upkeep" cost (in this case, the "battery fee") wasn't higher than even the price of gas per month and had at least the ability to carry 4.
think the magic number here isn't $5000, it's more like $20,000. You would not want such a small car with a 112 mile range to be your only car, but most households have two, and increasingly often three or even more cars.
I was saying $5000 as a price point for a 2nd LOCAL ONLY car. $20000 might be a target for a standard gas-car replacement, though.
And, with regards to the batter, the "fee" never stops. If they get price the battery which will be cheaper than gas per month (averaged out), I have no problem with OWNING it. Hell, even "leasing" it.
As it stands, $100-$200 for the "battery fee" is unreasonable. My family has two cars (A mini-SUV (honda CRV) and my truck ('88 toyota 4-banger -- gets around 30 mpg). Between the two of us, we spend about $200/month on gas as a maxumim. That translates to about 800 miles per month of driving max.
Is it a realistic option to have something like this for 400-800 miles worth of driving a month -- JUST to break even with a 30 mpg gas car in 'fuel' cost? When I can buy a new car with a smaller sticker price, get longer ranges, faster top-spead and more cargo -- and STILL pay less than $200/month on gas?
The main obstacle to this car in this country is that Americans have become such friggen stick in the muds. We've been top dog for so many years we've gotten allergic to change.
I disagree. If you price it where it's affordable and gives a similar if not better cost-benefit, you'll see a product like this prosper. The Prius is doing well, but is still over priced. Get a base-model prius down around $15k and you'll see them everywhere.
I've looked at and have been tempted by the GEM in the past, and I'd be happy to by one for our "local stuff" if I could get a 4-seater with hard doors for around $6k and a higher top speed. I'd be happy with their 30 mile range, too as I think most people would for a "local" car.
It's getting closer -- but I'm certainly not ready to spend huge gobs of cash and get substantially less value.
I've been tempted by GEM in the past. If they can get that sucker down in price for a 4-seater with hard-doors and a better top speed (say, around $6k), I'd jump on it in a second.
I really don't NEED 100+ mile range. I'd be happy with the 30 mile range of the GEMs for all my local stuff.
In my city/state, we have similar incentives (close-up parking in malls, use of car-pool lanes, 'free charging' at various locations). We have next to no toll-roads/bridges in our state anyway... But this is for hybrids AND electric cars. You see far more hybrids on our roads (better bang for your buck).
They'll need to adjust the pricing more than a "bit" for the US market. I'd be happy with a 4 seater GEM if I could get one at $6k with hard-doors and a better top speed. I really don't NEED a range of 100+ miles on a single charge. I'd be happy with 30 miles for store/kids-school/local stuff.
Hell... I WORK less than 4 miles from my home -- but this is not common in SoCal.
You may want to go back up this thread and re-read it. I refering to the GEM electric car (which is much more reasonably priced -- but far more limited). Or perhaps you were trying to say the range would improve with better technology? I think that goes without saying. I never implied otherwise.
No... but at $100-$200/mo for a "battery fee", you better make sure you spend spend at least that on gas when you "run to the market for a few bags of food". Otherwise, do you REALLY need this car?
Let's say your SUV is terrible... gets 10 miles per gallon. Who drives 100-200 miles per month to the market? Note: Most SUVs do quite a bit better than 10 miles per gallon some over 20 mpgs -- so recalculate accordingly.
Keep in mind that this car is produced in Norway where prices for cars and gas/fuel is very high.
Um... so? Keep in mind that the article points out an attempt to target an AMERICAN market.
Right now it's about 11 NOK for 1 metric liter. There is 3,785 metric liters in one gallon, so that makes one gallon cost aprox. $7,3
And at an estimate of $7.3 per gallon, you can expect to get about 27 gallons of gas for the same cost of the estimated $200/month "battery fee" (not counting the cost of electricity). With a very conservative estimate on a gas-car, you can expect 30 mpg -- or over 800 miles for about the same cost. That gas-car in the US would most likely run less than this thing, too.
You'll need to travel more than 800 miles a month to make this thing cost effective at $7.3 per gallon for gas. Far more, if you calculate an economy car which gets closer to 40 mpg... In the US, with gas at ~$3 gallon -- I just don't see me using this to travel over 1300 miles a month to save "gas money"...
I challenge you to make a car for under $13k that will pass the TSA safety rules.
I'm not in the business of designing cars. I am, however, a consumer. I'm more than willing to pay a reasonable price for a reasonable product.
Also, I challenge you to make a cheap deep-cycle rechargeable battery. Granted, $35K sounds a bit steep.
$35k is the price of the car+battery -- so we're talking about ~$20k.
That said, we're talking about a car, when financed, will run you about $300/mo (assuming you've excellent credit and a lowball price around $13k, rather than $17k) + a $100-$200 "monthly fee" for the battery. For that price, I can buy a modest car, factor in gas at $5/gallon (should it hit that mark in the US during the life of the car -- it's about $3 now) and STILL come out ahead.
Plus I'd have a 250-350 mile range and a much higher top-speed.
I'm annoyed as hell I cant go out now and buy an electric car. My commute is 30 miles each way; surely within range for today's technology.
It certainly *IS* within the range of today's technology -- and you CAN go out and buy an electric car. Just expect to spend about $35k and fairly substantial maintenance costs if you plan on doing anything other than leasing it. As you pointed out -- batteries aren't cheap.
Work yes. Food, probably not. I live in Los Angeles -- and something like this would be handy for local runs to various stores/local attractions. Most Americans live in either cities or urban sprawl -- where something like this would be handy as a "local car".
I've driven one of these, and the "top speed" of 25 mph is somewhat understated -- I clocked it maxing out at around 35 -- but don't expect that going up a hill...
There are plenty of good economic reasons for a car like this, especially these days, and once someone Does It Right(TM) they'll be raking in the cash.
Yeah. Because people have 'economic reasons' to spend $13000+ for a very small 2-person car with a very limited range. And oh yeah! Did I mention this doesn't include the $35000 battery (which you wont own, but will pay a "fee" to use)?
Get the price point down below $5k, include the battery -- keep battery replacement costs below $1000 and then maybe... JUST maybe you'll see these for "neighborhood" going to the market type cars...
There's a reason they call these "green" -- because to use one, you need to get rid of all your money.
I had an atari 800 xl years ago (circa 1980s). A friend had spilled milk on the keyboard and a number of keys stopped responding.
My 'solution' involved opening up the keyboard and retracing the mylar sheet connections with a pencil. It worked great -- but I needed to crack it open every few weeks and retrace it.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you are fairly clever and poor.
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Obviously.Would you like the reader to jump to the conclusion that because of relationship of seed to tree that we should treat embryos as seeds? Shouldn't we therefore treat infants as saplings? How about a novel approach: Let's treat embryos as embryos?We treat them as embryos, and care for them as they need to be cared for.
The biggest bugga-boo with HIPAA right now is the fear of losing MediCare/MediCal reimbursement if you are found to be non-HIPAA compliant.
Very little in the way of criminal/civil penalties.
Sorry, but I think you are wrong on the "probably folded to keep from getting heavily penalized and/or to prevent its directors from being criminally prosecuted under HIPPA". FTA, it's more likely they folded from lack of funding -- as their primary investor pulled out (most likely due to not wanting to tarnish THEIR name...
Some people just don't actually follow up on citations.
To anyone who feel's motivated to mod parent up, please review the SOURCE of the PDF first.
Clearly the GP is not "completely wrong". The GP is more on the money than he realized.
There's obviously SCOTUS eyes watching the 9th...
Well, lets put that in context... -- note the same site...
These guys almost have me... if they can get their 4 seater version with hard-doors down to around $6k and increase the top-speed, I'll buy one. Right now, with all the options I want/need, it's closer to $10k. And batteries aren't $20k or $100-$200/month...
Even with the 30 mile limit, I'm fine for "around town" stuff.
I paid about $18k for a new CRV last year (financed $15k of it through a credit card (3.9% -- it's great to have good credit+virtually no debt)). Currently, I can expect a 5 year old CRV in good shape with average miles to be worth between $9k-$12k (between trade in and private sale). That means I would have spent about $8k over 5 years, or about $160/month for the car. The CRV has a pretty decent resale value.
If this thing has, as I expect it to be, a weak resell value, unless you plan on keeping this for a dozen years or more, I don't think you'll see a cheaper per/month cost.
You might want to bring up a financial calculator and do the math. You'll note that a 0% loan of $15000 would mean you would have averaged $250/month over 5 years (not including tax+fees). Further, you'll find that 60 months at 5% with 10% down will end up being closer to $280/month once you include tax and fees (asuming the lowball $15k price -- ~$320 at $17k). Planning on a bigger 'down'? May as well divide that across the life of the loan, too to average out the price per month. REMEMBER, $15000 divided by 60 months is $250 per month ALONE -- it doesn't matter if you paid it all at once or not. Calculate the total cost to have this over 5 years.
All that said, I agree with you on the idea of a gas-less car, but I'm not going to spend MORE to get far, far less. My CRV so far has a projected 5 year cost quite a bit less than this thing (gas included). Plus I can carry my family of 5, take it camping, etc etc etc. If I want a 2nd car for local only stuff, why not save money and get another CRV?
Of course, my opinion will change if gas skyrockts (which would totally change the equation). But I can use that extra $100 or more per month savings to pay down my house that much sooner.
If the car costs about $15000 (the low-estimate of this thing) and you put 10% down, then tack on taxes + fees, expect around $17000. Finance that for 36 months at 5%, you are looking at well over $400/month. Put down 20% and were at around $396/month. If this thing runs $17k, expect to pay closer to $500/month (5% interest/10%down/36 months) I was low-balling it.
Even if you enjoy paying gobs of interest and run that for 60 months (5 years -- 48 and 36 are far more common loan durations), you're still looking at nearly $300/month at 10% down. Also, car loans are currently around 7%, not the 5%.
Think you can get a loan off your home at better than 5%?
Plan on a trade-in to bring down the cost further? Whats the resell value of this thing? Will you be able to recoup much when you want a new/replacement car? Or are you basically tossing away value you could recoup had you went with another car?
When you can spend the exact same out the door and get a decent economy car BEFORE the battery fee? Is it really worth it for you/wife to have a car like this (with it's limitation) JUST to avoid going to the gas station once a week?
The price needs to come down dramatically before I would consider this *IN* the "feasability range", as you put it.I never said I didn't find the vehicle interesting, I criticized it's price+"battery fee". And you are right -- it's NOT for ME, if by ME you mean most everyone in the US...
It may be useful at this price in Norway -- but not here -- not yet.
Pay me $200/mo and I'll filter your email for you. Because if you wont buy my service, you are obviously not seeing the bigger picture.
Because if we fail to spend huge gobs of money when cheaper solutions already exist we're all obviously missing something. Since you said it on slashdot, you must be right!
No. I want a $6k CART with dramatic limitations for LOCAL use only -- which would save me maybe $100/month in fuel costs per year. Cheaper than a 2nd car.
If I were looking for a replacement for my PRIMARY car, I'd be willing to pay $15k+ providing the "upkeep" cost (in this case, the "battery fee") wasn't higher than even the price of gas per month and had at least the ability to carry 4.
And, with regards to the batter, the "fee" never stops. If they get price the battery which will be cheaper than gas per month (averaged out), I have no problem with OWNING it. Hell, even "leasing" it.
As it stands, $100-$200 for the "battery fee" is unreasonable. My family has two cars (A mini-SUV (honda CRV) and my truck ('88 toyota 4-banger -- gets around 30 mpg). Between the two of us, we spend about $200/month on gas as a maxumim. That translates to about 800 miles per month of driving max.
Is it a realistic option to have something like this for 400-800 miles worth of driving a month -- JUST to break even with a 30 mpg gas car in 'fuel' cost? When I can buy a new car with a smaller sticker price, get longer ranges, faster top-spead and more cargo -- and STILL pay less than $200/month on gas?I disagree. If you price it where it's affordable and gives a similar if not better cost-benefit, you'll see a product like this prosper. The Prius is doing well, but is still over priced. Get a base-model prius down around $15k and you'll see them everywhere.
I've looked at and have been tempted by the GEM in the past, and I'd be happy to by one for our "local stuff" if I could get a 4-seater with hard doors for around $6k and a higher top speed. I'd be happy with their 30 mile range, too as I think most people would for a "local" car.
It's getting closer -- but I'm certainly not ready to spend huge gobs of cash and get substantially less value.
I've been tempted by GEM in the past. If they can get that sucker down in price for a 4-seater with hard-doors and a better top speed (say, around $6k), I'd jump on it in a second.
I really don't NEED 100+ mile range. I'd be happy with the 30 mile range of the GEMs for all my local stuff.
In my city/state, we have similar incentives (close-up parking in malls, use of car-pool lanes, 'free charging' at various locations). We have next to no toll-roads/bridges in our state anyway... But this is for hybrids AND electric cars. You see far more hybrids on our roads (better bang for your buck).
They'll need to adjust the pricing more than a "bit" for the US market. I'd be happy with a 4 seater GEM if I could get one at $6k with hard-doors and a better top speed. I really don't NEED a range of 100+ miles on a single charge. I'd be happy with 30 miles for store/kids-school/local stuff.
Hell... I WORK less than 4 miles from my home -- but this is not common in SoCal.
You may want to go back up this thread and re-read it. I refering to the GEM electric car (which is much more reasonably priced -- but far more limited). Or perhaps you were trying to say the range would improve with better technology? I think that goes without saying. I never implied otherwise.
No... but at $100-$200/mo for a "battery fee", you better make sure you spend spend at least that on gas when you "run to the market for a few bags of food". Otherwise, do you REALLY need this car?
Let's say your SUV is terrible... gets 10 miles per gallon. Who drives 100-200 miles per month to the market? Note: Most SUVs do quite a bit better than 10 miles per gallon some over 20 mpgs -- so recalculate accordingly.
And at an estimate of $7.3 per gallon, you can expect to get about 27 gallons of gas for the same cost of the estimated $200/month "battery fee" (not counting the cost of electricity). With a very conservative estimate on a gas-car, you can expect 30 mpg -- or over 800 miles for about the same cost. That gas-car in the US would most likely run less than this thing, too.
You'll need to travel more than 800 miles a month to make this thing cost effective at $7.3 per gallon for gas. Far more, if you calculate an economy car which gets closer to 40 mpg... In the US, with gas at ~$3 gallon -- I just don't see me using this to travel over 1300 miles a month to save "gas money"...
That said, we're talking about a car, when financed, will run you about $300/mo (assuming you've excellent credit and a lowball price around $13k, rather than $17k) + a $100-$200 "monthly fee" for the battery. For that price, I can buy a modest car, factor in gas at $5/gallon (should it hit that mark in the US during the life of the car -- it's about $3 now) and STILL come out ahead.
Plus I'd have a 250-350 mile range and a much higher top-speed.It certainly *IS* within the range of today's technology -- and you CAN go out and buy an electric car. Just expect to spend about $35k and fairly substantial maintenance costs if you plan on doing anything other than leasing it. As you pointed out -- batteries aren't cheap.
Work yes. Food, probably not. I live in Los Angeles -- and something like this would be handy for local runs to various stores/local attractions. Most Americans live in either cities or urban sprawl -- where something like this would be handy as a "local car".
I've driven one of these, and the "top speed" of 25 mph is somewhat understated -- I clocked it maxing out at around 35 -- but don't expect that going up a hill...
I'd like to see better range, too.
They are pretty common on Catalina Island, too. You wont see them wizzing down Studio City or Long Beach. any time soon, though. Not 'street legal'.
The option is neat when it's available -- but it's not.
This is a good option, though -- which I've considered. Still too pricy for the options I want, but it's getting closer.
Yeah. Because people have 'economic reasons' to spend $13000+ for a very small 2-person car with a very limited range. And oh yeah! Did I mention this doesn't include the $35000 battery (which you wont own, but will pay a "fee" to use)?
Get the price point down below $5k, include the battery -- keep battery replacement costs below $1000 and then maybe... JUST maybe you'll see these for "neighborhood" going to the market type cars...
There's a reason they call these "green" -- because to use one, you need to get rid of all your money.
I had an atari 800 xl years ago (circa 1980s). A friend had spilled milk on the keyboard and a number of keys stopped responding.
My 'solution' involved opening up the keyboard and retracing the mylar sheet connections with a pencil. It worked great -- but I needed to crack it open every few weeks and retrace it.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you are fairly clever and poor.