I really, really, really want to support Linux. However, frankly, I just don't have the time to hassle with it. I have made 4 endeavors in the past. And currently have a 5th endeavor for my wife. If I were to give Linux a score grade it would "C-".
I know that's not what a lot of you want to hear. But it's the truth. I don't want to spend several days trying to get a 802.11g wifi card working. I don't want to have to use some install manager or try to figure out how to get some script to run from the terminal in order to install an application. I simply want to be able to click and launch it, and have it install. Sadly, driver & software installation hurdles plague Linux. (In fact, these were the same issues that plagued Linux when I tried it repeatedly in the late 90's early millenials.)
I will say, it's improved quite a bit. At least in video card support apparently. But the truth of the matter is, I'd take XP & OS X over Linux. And that's because I'm anti-Linux or don't support Linux. Far from it, I wouldn't have tried it for my wife's (non-critical use) machine. So please guys....focus on these issues. (And don't say "Linux isn't really for the masses." Because everyone else keeps trying to push it that way. And that is the slated goal of many.)
Sadly, it's not. I've got my wife using it and it's just not easy or intuitive. Here are three things to make Linux usuable for the masses:
1. Simple install. Download, double-click, installs. No need for anything else...
2. Drivers, drivers, and more drivers. I have tried Linux no less than 4 times. It's getting closer. But frankly I don't have days of free time to spend configuring my machine to work with various common hardware.
3. Stop saying "Linux isn't for the masses." And then constantly tell everyone to use Linux...
Truthfully, I'd have to say in order of operating systems I place Linux in 3rd place:
OS X Windows XP Linux
Mainly because it is just too much effort to get Linux fully functioning. To cumbersome to get software installed. I've got a ReadyNAS. I wanted to install the RAIDar software on my wife's computer using Ubuntu. I just want to put the CD in and click an icon and have it install. I shouldn't have to do anything else in a modern OS.
Really, I guess the whole "FCC deregulation of cable" and our nice $80 cable bills. And having to pay $20 extra for cable internet if you don't want cable TV service. Or $20 extra for DSL to have a phone line you never use.
That's all flamebait too....
Yeah...well it may be flamebait. But it doesn't mean it's any less true of a statement.
***
This idea to prevent and restrict ownership of different type of media is one of the DUMBEST IDEAS ever proposed. (And is probably unconstitutional to boot.)
Haven't we ever learned that whenever the government gets involved they almost always seem to muck things up?
Really, I don't see this as a problem. And I think it's stupid, so what you're saying is you can own a TV station but not a newspaper or radio station. That's just dumb.
Why doesn't the government do something really useful to us? Like put an end to the forced purchasing of packaged content. And enact legislation that allows consumers to purchase ala cart specific channels from Sat/Cable companies.
This way, if all I want to watch is the Sci-Fi Channel, Discovery Channel, & The History Channel. I should be able to just buy those channels. I should not have to buy another 50 channels.
I swear, if I had Microsoft stock I'd be selling right now. Steve Ballmer is running M$ into the ground. (Yes, yes, I know people have hated Microsoft and will say it's always been running into the ground.) But really, I don't think Steve Ballmer has a clue what to do.
He keeps going on these rants, throwing chairs around, etc. Why would Microsoft buy 20-100 companies. There is really no benefit to doing so. I've really felt M$ has been on a bad path. I had hopes Vista would change that...but obviously that didn't work out. Vista was the best thing that ever happened to Macintosh.
Now, Steve Ballmer has devised a plan destroy the one thing that would ensure M$ survival over the next few years - namely a vast $50 billion cash reserve. And Steve Baller has decided to spend it all buying a 100 little overpriced companies. Why?
Frankly, M$ share holders need to fire Steve Ballmer and do so quickly.
The issue is not Flash it's the poorly implemented programs you are using. People are already coding controls in Flash for multi-touch behaviors. (Of course, your hardware needs multitouch.) For single-touch, well Flash behaves just like all the other single touch interfaces. Click and it does.
But just cause that's what you're using doesn't mean that's what Flash is limited to. Man, there are people out there controlling Flash apps with "Wii" remotes.
Check out the following, it uses some rudimentary physics engines. But also hold your mouse and circle the icons. Watch his YouTube video and you'll see way more ability. http://tileui.com/
I get so tired of people who have NO CLUE what they're talking about ranting against Flash. Merely because they haven't utilized it. Worse, this whole comment is criticizing Flash for the exact same criticism every other program on a single-touch screen has. As there are very few multi-touch systems out there.
And if Flash Player is ported to the iphone, I am sure they will implement support for the multi-touch component in the iPhone's browser.
Signing does not need to correlate to a "code inspection". Rather, simply application tracking (think the same method used in their DRM free songs). So they can trace the application to an authorized publisher. Delete it from the iTunes library, etc.
Though I am sure many apps will run in some sort of sandbox for sure and certain aspects (ie: phone use) will likely be limited to an API connection.
In fact, they might also include an "app ID" with the means of disabling an app. So if malware is found to be embedded in an app they can have all connected iPhones disable said app at next iTunes sync.
We'll see....
I'll just be happy to have Flash player on the iPhone. And the means of installing & using GPS software.:-)
There is to me, nothing wrong with "application signing". I think it's good to have a registered contact for a product and to ensure that product can be traced. (We're not talking personal privacy rights here.)
That said, most past attempts as application/driver signing have failed because it hasn't been about signing but rather about making $$$. And signing has cost booku bucks for being signed. This is the aspect of signing that's bad.
Rather, Apple should simply have all developers register (in order to get the SDK) and then be given a corporate identity ID to sign their applications with. They could also allow access of 3rd party apps via iTunes. The caveat being that they could block a dev ID if that ID gets out into the wild and used by malware coders. Others might install any software outside of iTunes. But this would allow them to make the iTunes (dumb name these days since it does video, games, and more these days. They really need to change it to iMedia or something).
But I'm really all for app signing as long as it's free to do so or a negligible (ie: $5-$10) processing fee.
But if it's $500 or $1,500 to have your app signed. Then it will fail...
If you think creating an inaccurate politicized & overly hyped documentary and merely being it's spokesman (ie: the Ronald McDonald clown for Globally Warmed Burgers) is more prize worthy than a woman who risked her life to save 2,500 lives during WWII.
Then something is seriously wrong with you...
And DON'T say his movie has helped raise awareness and thus saved lives in danger of global warming. Because his over-hyping, and questionable statements merely clouded the arena and debate; creating more controversy and less positive action.
I actually believe we need to reduce pollution, clean-up our act, become resource efficient. But every time I hear someone being an alarmist and quoting questionable figures I get upset. Because that hurts environmentalism by putting off a large portion of the populace rather than working toward a common ground.
A good example of such a working were the actions Jean-Michel Cousteau who's appealed to President's own nature and found common ground - the result the nation's largest national park and first marine national park was created.
Please note, my comments is in reference to everyone making mere detention out to be torture. If "detention" of enemy combatants is torture in your books. Than I am ALL for torture of that sort.
"You need fully automatic weapons, RPGs, and shaped charged explosive to defeat such vehicles (which Iraqi insurgents have) which are of course illegal to own in the United States."
Ever heard of an IED? It's what's been getting many of our troops.
"In reality, I think the 2nd Amendment gave the States to have their own militias separate from Federal control. "
No, it did not. The states already had armies. In fact, much of the fighting of the revolutionary war was by state armies.
"Of course now that is generally overlooked and all National Guard armies are under command of the President (which is horribly wrong in a peace time enviroment and Jefferson is powering a small generator in his grave right now through spinning)"
Agreed on this. Many people try to say the National Guard is the militia. It's not. Militias are defensive where as the National Guard is repeatedly sent abroad offensively.
"see the 'well regulated militia' part? now, what on earth makes you think that a group of gentlemen who had a voting requirment of owning 10 acres of land want every idiot to own as many guns as they wanted?"
The British...
Oh, btw, it was mainly the fact that most everybody DID own said guns that allowed us to have our little revolution.
"i strongly suggest you consider that a muzzle loading musket is vastly different from a glock.""
I strongly suggest you consider that a glock is vastly different from an M-16. And an M1-Abram is vastly different than a British horse drawn cannon.
Therefore, a weapon of the caliber of Glock is both reasonable and necessary for the citizenry to be able to stand before the formed military.
"But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive "
Quite so, the truth of the matter...many of the rights people are decrying being lost are not encountered by the majority of people. I've not found myself a victim of being detained without cause, search or had my possessions seized, etc.
The advantage of a complacent and armed population is that when things reach a point where complacency is NOT an option. A means to re-instate said rights exists via gun ownership.
"It is much easier to produce statistics on how many gun deaths occured, rather than on how many crimes were prevented by guns. This argument seems to be a cornerstone of people who support arming the population."
Not a cornerstone, just one of the many pillars.
"Unfortunately, your statement was more accurate than you intended, perhaps. I don't hear about how many crimes are prevented by guns. In order for me to consider your argument that guns prevent crime as a valid argument, I would need at least some indication that the number of crimes preveted is large."
No, you're supposed to get smart and go buy a S&W while you still can. That way, when they come to take all your CDs away via the "2022 Analog Collection & Repurchase Act" which allowed record companies to collect any analog recordings in hands of consumers as these did not have "pay-per-play" DRM implementations - a requirement of the 2014 DMCA-II.
A spokesman for RIAA stated that it is "stealing" to listen to any music without paying for each listen. Even a partial listen requires full payment for the entirety of the audio recording. (Though many consumers have objected to this clause as being unfair. Having been billed multiple times for having to turn off a song to answer a phone call and later re-starting said song.)
In further news, artists are complaining about new RIAA policies deducting portions of download profits for lost packets which must be resent. Artists are claiming that the new policy has resulted in a sharp reduction of profits. A number of artists have even claimed to not only have lost all their artist revenues but to have even received bills for the costs of the lost packets. Which many claim are overpriced at 1 cent per packet lost. Meanwhile, consumers are complaining that the number of failed downloads has greatly increased since RIAA's implementation of the new policy.
However, a recently submitted bill should end the complaints of both the artists and consumers. Bill 503409 "Satisfaction Reclamation Act" would make it illegal for both the artists or consumers to publicly criticize the actions of RIAA or else forfeit their rights to said music to RIAA."
"NO ONE should be locked up for months at a time without being charged."
Heck, where were ALL the activists protesting this when Kevin Mitnick was being held such?
"NO ONE should be tortured EVER for ANY reason."
This I disagree....if they're trying to kill millions, then yes, we can keep them.
"what is the reasoning behind defending a citizen's rights when you trample on everyone else's?"
Um...hmm...sorry if I've trampled on the rights of someone working with Al-Quaeda.
"So what you are saying is that because the terrorists do not respect life or any laws that we should go along with doing the same?"
Well gee, isn't that what almost every liberal stands for? Because terrorists (ie: street thugs, murderers, etc) use guns to kill people liberals want to take away our right to own guns.
"third geneva convention treaty staes that you must treat prisoners of war humanely and must be protected from violence,"
Of thise I agree. In fact, I believe the soldiers who were in Abu Ghraib committed treason and deserved either the death penalty or life imprisonment.
Oh guess what....if I recall correctly, there are requirements for receiving those benefits. (ie: spies do not receive said benefits).
Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.
As for the gun deaths. Considering I had a classmate in high school who ran for gun dealers. The laws prevent nothing. They bring guns over the border and sell them illegally. You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.
"even if they don't respect Geneva Conventions, we should strive to be the "better man""
See you view it as us not being the better man. The issue here, is that these rules are designed to ensure the safety of the civilian populace.
As such, engaging in military actions in a civilian role and refusing to declare yourself manifests the deaths of thousands of civilians.
Combine that with the fact the association is to an organization which has declared intent to cause mass-murder on an unseen scale. The right thing to do, is to detain them, not let them free. And treat them kindly. In fact, treat them as any prisoner of war during a conflict. (Geneva conventions do not require anything more.)
The difference between us and them. Is we're !@#% whining about evil men and/or men who were associating themselves with evil men being kept imprisoned without a trial to let them go free because there is not the right kind of evidence and said men are potentially so deadly their release could result in the death of millions in mere moments. Thing ALL the dead men, women and children of the 7 yrs of WWII dead in a moment.
As for them, their actions are no where near similar to our. They ruthlessly kill both the soldiers they detain and even innocents. Even anti-war activitists.
"And after at least tens of thousands people killed with in Iraq that you paid for (you pay taxes, don't you?), you certainly deserve to be stopped."
Yes, war is a !@#$%. It's nice to blame all the deaths on the U.S. Ignore the one's constantly blowing up civilians unprovoked.
Guess what, I don't care if ten million criminals and islamofascists die. I do care about the innocent civilians dying. Caught in the crossfire. And if we'd cease politics and fight to win then it'd be over and a lot less innocents would die.
"Habeaus Corpus is a human right" So is not being put to death for being raped by your step-brother. So is not being put to death for being a homosexual. So is not having to wear a headress to be put to death. So are a lot of things...
Oh guess what. Habeaus Corpus is not a human right. And it can be put aside by any society if you are potentially to deadly to let walk the world. Now, they should be treated decently.
"From the point of view of other coutries (eg. Iran, China, Canada or whatever) you are an "enemy combatant" and deserve to be "detained". If you voted for Bush then you get a life sentence."
My goodness you are the moron aren't you. The reason they are enemy combatants is that they were actively involved in a combat situation while not denoting their colors. (ie: masquerading as civilians after combat). This is what gets civilians killed.
But hey...that was such a stupid claim that I realize there is little point in further discussion with you.
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I really, really, really want to support Linux. However, frankly, I just don't have the time to hassle with it. I have made 4 endeavors in the past. And currently have a 5th endeavor for my wife. If I were to give Linux a score grade it would "C-".
I know that's not what a lot of you want to hear. But it's the truth. I don't want to spend several days trying to get a 802.11g wifi card working. I don't want to have to use some install manager or try to figure out how to get some script to run from the terminal in order to install an application. I simply want to be able to click and launch it, and have it install. Sadly, driver & software installation hurdles plague Linux. (In fact, these were the same issues that plagued Linux when I tried it repeatedly in the late 90's early millenials.)
I will say, it's improved quite a bit. At least in video card support apparently. But the truth of the matter is, I'd take XP & OS X over Linux. And that's because I'm anti-Linux or don't support Linux. Far from it, I wouldn't have tried it for my wife's (non-critical use) machine. So please guys....focus on these issues. (And don't say "Linux isn't really for the masses." Because everyone else keeps trying to push it that way. And that is the slated goal of many.)
Best of luck all...
- The Saj
Linux when Linux is ready.
Sadly, it's not. I've got my wife using it and it's just not easy or intuitive. Here are three things to make Linux usuable for the masses:
1. Simple install. Download, double-click, installs. No need for anything else...
2. Drivers, drivers, and more drivers. I have tried Linux no less than 4 times. It's getting closer. But frankly I don't have days of free time to spend configuring my machine to work with various common hardware.
3. Stop saying "Linux isn't for the masses." And then constantly tell everyone to use Linux...
Truthfully, I'd have to say in order of operating systems I place Linux in 3rd place:
OS X
Windows XP
Linux
Mainly because it is just too much effort to get Linux fully functioning. To cumbersome to get software installed. I've got a ReadyNAS. I wanted to install the RAIDar software on my wife's computer using Ubuntu. I just want to put the CD in and click an icon and have it install. I shouldn't have to do anything else in a modern OS.
Maybe in 5 more yrs Linux will be ready. *shrug*
How is this flamebait....
Really, I guess the whole "FCC deregulation of cable" and our nice $80 cable bills. And having to pay $20 extra for cable internet if you don't want cable TV service. Or $20 extra for DSL to have a phone line you never use.
That's all flamebait too....
Yeah...well it may be flamebait. But it doesn't mean it's any less true of a statement.
***
This idea to prevent and restrict ownership of different type of media is one of the DUMBEST IDEAS ever proposed. (And is probably unconstitutional to boot.)
Haven't we ever learned that whenever the government gets involved they almost always seem to muck things up?
Really, I don't see this as a problem. And I think it's stupid, so what you're saying is you can own a TV station but not a newspaper or radio station. That's just dumb.
Why doesn't the government do something really useful to us? Like put an end to the forced purchasing of packaged content. And enact legislation that allows consumers to purchase ala cart specific channels from Sat/Cable companies.
This way, if all I want to watch is the Sci-Fi Channel, Discovery Channel, & The History Channel. I should be able to just buy those channels. I should not have to buy another 50 channels.
- Saj
I swear, if I had Microsoft stock I'd be selling right now. Steve Ballmer is running M$ into the ground. (Yes, yes, I know people have hated Microsoft and will say it's always been running into the ground.) But really, I don't think Steve Ballmer has a clue what to do.
He keeps going on these rants, throwing chairs around, etc. Why would Microsoft buy 20-100 companies. There is really no benefit to doing so. I've really felt M$ has been on a bad path. I had hopes Vista would change that...but obviously that didn't work out. Vista was the best thing that ever happened to Macintosh.
Now, Steve Ballmer has devised a plan destroy the one thing that would ensure M$ survival over the next few years - namely a vast $50 billion cash reserve. And Steve Baller has decided to spend it all buying a 100 little overpriced companies. Why?
Frankly, M$ share holders need to fire Steve Ballmer and do so quickly.
Then you're just not doing much research...
The issue is not Flash it's the poorly implemented programs you are using. People are already coding controls in Flash for multi-touch behaviors. (Of course, your hardware needs multitouch.) For single-touch, well Flash behaves just like all the other single touch interfaces. Click and it does.
But just cause that's what you're using doesn't mean that's what Flash is limited to. Man, there are people out there controlling Flash apps with "Wii" remotes.
Check out the following, it uses some rudimentary physics engines. But also hold your mouse and circle the icons. Watch his YouTube video and you'll see way more ability.
http://tileui.com/
http://dougmccune.com/blog/2007/08/04/the-making-of-tileui/
I get so tired of people who have NO CLUE what they're talking about ranting against Flash. Merely because they haven't utilized it. Worse, this whole comment is criticizing Flash for the exact same criticism every other program on a single-touch screen has. As there are very few multi-touch systems out there.
And if Flash Player is ported to the iphone, I am sure they will implement support for the multi-touch component in the iPhone's browser.
Signing does not need to correlate to a "code inspection". Rather, simply application tracking (think the same method used in their DRM free songs). So they can trace the application to an authorized publisher. Delete it from the iTunes library, etc.
:-)
Though I am sure many apps will run in some sort of sandbox for sure and certain aspects (ie: phone use) will likely be limited to an API connection.
In fact, they might also include an "app ID" with the means of disabling an app. So if malware is found to be embedded in an app they can have all connected iPhones disable said app at next iTunes sync.
We'll see....
I'll just be happy to have Flash player on the iPhone. And the means of installing & using GPS software.
There is to me, nothing wrong with "application signing". I think it's good to have a registered contact for a product and to ensure that product can be traced. (We're not talking personal privacy rights here.)
That said, most past attempts as application/driver signing have failed because it hasn't been about signing but rather about making $$$. And signing has cost booku bucks for being signed. This is the aspect of signing that's bad.
Rather, Apple should simply have all developers register (in order to get the SDK) and then be given a corporate identity ID to sign their applications with. They could also allow access of 3rd party apps via iTunes. The caveat being that they could block a dev ID if that ID gets out into the wild and used by malware coders. Others might install any software outside of iTunes. But this would allow them to make the iTunes (dumb name these days since it does video, games, and more these days. They really need to change it to iMedia or something).
But I'm really all for app signing as long as it's free to do so or a negligible (ie: $5-$10) processing fee.
But if it's $500 or $1,500 to have your app signed. Then it will fail...
- Saj
Today's weather forecast for the Amazon region is partly cloudy computing with occasional scattered rain showers. Don't forget to take your umbrella!
If you think creating an inaccurate politicized & overly hyped documentary and merely being it's spokesman (ie: the Ronald McDonald clown for Globally Warmed Burgers) is more prize worthy than a woman who risked her life to save 2,500 lives during WWII.
Then something is seriously wrong with you...
And DON'T say his movie has helped raise awareness and thus saved lives in danger of global warming. Because his over-hyping, and questionable statements merely clouded the arena and debate; creating more controversy and less positive action.
I actually believe we need to reduce pollution, clean-up our act, become resource efficient. But every time I hear someone being an alarmist and quoting questionable figures I get upset. Because that hurts environmentalism by putting off a large portion of the populace rather than working toward a common ground.
A good example of such a working were the actions Jean-Michel Cousteau who's appealed to President's own nature and found common ground - the result the nation's largest national park and first marine national park was created.
This is a much better method than Al Gore's...
A huge broken nightmare. Wouldn't even uninstall...
*shudders*
1 != 1
Please note, my comments is in reference to everyone making mere detention out to be torture. If "detention" of enemy combatants is torture in your books. Than I am ALL for torture of that sort.
On the flip side...
Having guns can allow you to flee as well as fight.
No, we didn't do it alone...
We had help for a foreign superpower. "France"
Because pistols are very good for self-defense especially in close-in situations. An area rifles tend to be very poor at.
"You need fully automatic weapons, RPGs, and shaped charged explosive to defeat such vehicles (which Iraqi insurgents have) which are of course illegal to own in the United States."
Ever heard of an IED? It's what's been getting many of our troops.
"In reality, I think the 2nd Amendment gave the States to have their own militias separate from Federal control. "
No, it did not. The states already had armies. In fact, much of the fighting of the revolutionary war was by state armies.
"Of course now that is generally overlooked and all National Guard armies are under command of the President (which is horribly wrong in a peace time enviroment and Jefferson is powering a small generator in his grave right now through spinning)"
Agreed on this. Many people try to say the National Guard is the militia. It's not. Militias are defensive where as the National Guard is repeatedly sent abroad offensively.
"see the 'well regulated militia' part? now, what on earth makes you think that a group of gentlemen who had a voting requirment of owning 10 acres of land want every idiot to own as many guns as they wanted?"
The British...
Oh, btw, it was mainly the fact that most everybody DID own said guns that allowed us to have our little revolution.
"i strongly suggest you consider that a muzzle loading musket is vastly different from a glock.""
I strongly suggest you consider that a glock is vastly different from an M-16. And an M1-Abram is vastly different than a British horse drawn cannon.
Therefore, a weapon of the caliber of Glock is both reasonable and necessary for the citizenry to be able to stand before the formed military.
"But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive "
Quite so, the truth of the matter...many of the rights people are decrying being lost are not encountered by the majority of people. I've not found myself a victim of being detained without cause, search or had my possessions seized, etc.
The advantage of a complacent and armed population is that when things reach a point where complacency is NOT an option. A means to re-instate said rights exists via gun ownership.
"It is much easier to produce statistics on how many gun deaths occured, rather than on how many crimes were prevented by guns. This argument seems to be a cornerstone of people who support arming the population."
Not a cornerstone, just one of the many pillars.
"Unfortunately, your statement was more accurate than you intended, perhaps. I don't hear about how many crimes are prevented by guns. In order for me to consider your argument that guns prevent crime as a valid argument, I would need at least some indication that the number of crimes preveted is large."
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
(how about 2.5 million a year?)
In other words...
"Microsoft releases iPod killer. However, the new Zune was designed to kill the last generation of iPods - not the currently released iPods."
No, you're supposed to get smart and go buy a S&W while you still can. That way, when they come to take all your CDs away via the "2022 Analog Collection & Repurchase Act" which allowed record companies to collect any analog recordings in hands of consumers as these did not have "pay-per-play" DRM implementations - a requirement of the 2014 DMCA-II.
A spokesman for RIAA stated that it is "stealing" to listen to any music without paying for each listen. Even a partial listen requires full payment for the entirety of the audio recording. (Though many consumers have objected to this clause as being unfair. Having been billed multiple times for having to turn off a song to answer a phone call and later re-starting said song.)
In further news, artists are complaining about new RIAA policies deducting portions of download profits for lost packets which must be resent. Artists are claiming that the new policy has resulted in a sharp reduction of profits. A number of artists have even claimed to not only have lost all their artist revenues but to have even received bills for the costs of the lost packets. Which many claim are overpriced at 1 cent per packet lost. Meanwhile, consumers are complaining that the number of failed downloads has greatly increased since RIAA's implementation of the new policy.
However, a recently submitted bill should end the complaints of both the artists and consumers. Bill 503409 "Satisfaction Reclamation Act" would make it illegal for both the artists or consumers to publicly criticize the actions of RIAA or else forfeit their rights to said music to RIAA."
"NO ONE should be locked up for months at a time without being charged."
Heck, where were ALL the activists protesting this when Kevin Mitnick was being held such?
"NO ONE should be tortured EVER for ANY reason."
This I disagree....if they're trying to kill millions, then yes, we can keep them.
"what is the reasoning behind defending a citizen's rights when you trample on everyone else's?"
Um...hmm...sorry if I've trampled on the rights of someone working with Al-Quaeda.
"So what you are saying is that because the terrorists do not respect life or any laws that we should go along with doing the same?"
Well gee, isn't that what almost every liberal stands for? Because terrorists (ie: street thugs, murderers, etc) use guns to kill people liberals want to take away our right to own guns.
"third geneva convention treaty staes that you must treat prisoners of war humanely and must be protected from violence,"
Of thise I agree. In fact, I believe the soldiers who were in Abu Ghraib committed treason and deserved either the death penalty or life imprisonment.
Oh guess what....if I recall correctly, there are requirements for receiving those benefits. (ie: spies do not receive said benefits).
Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.
As for the gun deaths. Considering I had a classmate in high school who ran for gun dealers. The laws prevent nothing. They bring guns over the border and sell them illegally. You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.
"even if they don't respect Geneva Conventions, we should strive to be the "better man""
See you view it as us not being the better man. The issue here, is that these rules are designed to ensure the safety of the civilian populace.
As such, engaging in military actions in a civilian role and refusing to declare yourself manifests the deaths of thousands of civilians.
Combine that with the fact the association is to an organization which has declared intent to cause mass-murder on an unseen scale. The right thing to do, is to detain them, not let them free. And treat them kindly. In fact, treat them as any prisoner of war during a conflict. (Geneva conventions do not require anything more.)
The difference between us and them. Is we're !@#% whining about evil men and/or men who were associating themselves with evil men being kept imprisoned without a trial to let them go free because there is not the right kind of evidence and said men are potentially so deadly their release could result in the death of millions in mere moments. Thing ALL the dead men, women and children of the 7 yrs of WWII dead in a moment.
As for them, their actions are no where near similar to our. They ruthlessly kill both the soldiers they detain and even innocents. Even anti-war activitists.
No, there is no comparison...
"And after at least tens of thousands people killed with in Iraq that you paid for (you pay taxes, don't you?), you certainly deserve to be stopped."
Yes, war is a !@#$%. It's nice to blame all the deaths on the U.S. Ignore the one's constantly blowing up civilians unprovoked.
Guess what, I don't care if ten million criminals and islamofascists die. I do care about the innocent civilians dying. Caught in the crossfire. And if we'd cease politics and fight to win then it'd be over and a lot less innocents would die.
"Habeaus Corpus is a human right"
So is not being put to death for being raped by your step-brother.
So is not being put to death for being a homosexual.
So is not having to wear a headress to be put to death.
So are a lot of things...
Oh guess what. Habeaus Corpus is not a human right. And it can be put aside by any society if you are potentially to deadly to let walk the world. Now, they should be treated decently.
"From the point of view of other coutries (eg. Iran, China, Canada or whatever) you are an "enemy combatant" and deserve to be "detained". If you voted for Bush then you get a life sentence."
My goodness you are the moron aren't you. The reason they are enemy combatants is that they were actively involved in a combat situation while not denoting their colors. (ie: masquerading as civilians after combat). This is what gets civilians killed.
But hey...that was such a stupid claim that I realize there is little point in further discussion with you.