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Canadian Copyright Official Dumped Over MPAA Conflict

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian government's top copyright policy maker has been moved aside after revelations that she was in a personal relationship with Hollywood's top Canadian lobbyist. The development is raising questions about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks and what it means for the introduction of a Canadian DMCA."

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  1. the hilton effect by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The development is raising questions about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks and what it means for the introduction of a Canadian DMCA.

    Well, it's kind of obvious. She's only against the use of camcorders in movie theaters. if you know what I mean.

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    1. Re:the hilton effect by p0tat03 · · Score: 0

      How about no? Besides the obvious issue of vigilante "justice", do you really want the copyleft movement to be known as a bunch of gangsters? Shame on you.

    2. Re:the hilton effect by dunng808 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And earlier today we had Virgin Digital closing shop. Way too much sexual innuendo for this crowd! Somebody bring a bucket of cold water, and pour in a cupfull of saltpeter.

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    3. Re:the hilton effect by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      She's not going to enjoy her next job then

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    4. Re:the hilton effect by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a Canadian, not a copyleft movement. She's a traitor. I want her hung.

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    5. Re:the hilton effect by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want her hung.
      Not hung. Have her walk the plank. Arrrrr!!!!!
    6. Re:the hilton effect by alshithead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, I posted just last night that I try to not put on my grammar Nazi hat as frequently as I used to...

      However...

      "I'm a Canadian, not a copyleft movement. She's a traitor. I want her hung."

      You want her hanged if you want her executed by hanging. You want her hung if you want her be a hermaphrodite. :)

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    7. Re:the hilton effect by BungaDunga · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps just hang her up by the ankles?

    8. Re:the hilton effect by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You want her hanged if you want her executed by hanging. You want her hung if you want her be a hermaphrodite. :)
      Just to out-Nazi you, "hung" is also a correct term for this, just less common.
    9. Re:the hilton effect by FreezerJam · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is there such a thing out-out-Naziing?

      Sorry - but this is Canada, and the Canadian Oxford Dictionary doesn't support the use of "hung" as a past tense of "hang". Up here, she would be hanged, and that's her only choice.

      (Of course, since we have abolished the death penalty, this is all moot.)

    10. Re:the hilton effect by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      You want her hanged if you want her executed by hanging. You want her hung if you want her be a hermaphrodite. :)

      This is not funny. It's also not correct. From dictionary.com, the definition of hang includes:
      4. to put to death by suspending by the neck from a gallows, gibbet, yardarm, or the like.

      The correct past tense of hang is hung , so the original poster is right. I hereby order you to turn in your official grammar Nazi card and order you to take remedial English classes for the next 3 months.

    11. Re:the hilton effect by superbus1929 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hanged over a copyright law? That's a bit extreme.

      She's a dirty politician, and should never be employed again as anything more involved than burger flipper, but let's cut the hyperbole.

      And yes, I'm Canadian.

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    12. Re:the hilton effect by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      Okay, I posted just last night that I try to not put on my grammar Nazi hat as frequently as I used to...

      You want her hanged if you want her executed by hanging. You want her hung if you want her be a hermaphrodite. :)

      (emphasis mine)

      "her be?" Like the "Love Bug" in the movies? Or is this Ebonics?

      (Totally with ya', man. I try to keep my grammar-Nazi hat off, but it's always more fun when there's a grammar - or spelling - error in a grammar Nazi post. Of course, in this case, it was basically a typo.)

    13. Re:the hilton effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word you're looking for is hanged.

    14. Re:the hilton effect by alshithead · · Score: 1

      "This is not funny. It's also not correct. From dictionary.com, the definition of hang includes:
      4. to put to death by suspending by the neck from a gallows, gibbet, yardarm, or the like."

      From the very same dictionary.com entry you tried to correct me with... "esp. for 4, 5, 20, 24, hanged". So, besides not having a sense of humor, you fail it! Enjoy your remedial English classes. :)

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    15. Re:the hilton effect by dwarfking · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, being pedantic here but, not hung, you should use hanged. English grammar generally uses hung for things like paintings, and hanged for people who die by hanging.

    16. Re:the hilton effect by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      I'm a Canadian, not a copyleft movement. She's a traitor. I want her hung. Hanged. The correct term is hanged. "I want her hanged." Saying you want her hung makes it sound like you're into trannies.
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    17. Re:the hilton effect by morcego · · Score: 1

      Can we please cut this nazi crap and just shoot her ?

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    18. Re:the hilton effect by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that dictionary.com contains a mix of British English, Australian English, and US English, and fails to include a number of Canadian English words, spellings and meanings. When in doubt, go with the British English usage as it is probably closer to Canadian English than the US English definitions most commonly found in dictionary.com.

    19. Re:the hilton effect by penguinstorm · · Score: 1

      Virgin Digital is one of the great oxymorons of our time, considering the sheer volume of electronic porn available.

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    20. Re:the hilton effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hang /hæ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hang] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, hung or, esp. for 4, 5, 20, 24, hanged; hanging; noun

      In other words, it is especially "hung or hanged" for

      4) to put to death by suspending by the neck from a gallows, gibbet, yardarm, or the like, but not especially "hung or hanged" for

      13) to attach (a door or the like) to its frame by means of hinges.

      Not only do you not know grammar as well as you think you do, you also have a striking lack of "reading and comprehension" skills.

    21. Re:the hilton effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She'll probably just get a job as a lobbyist.

    22. Re:the hilton effect by bit01 · · Score: 1

      Hanged over a copyright law? That's a bit extreme.

      This is a law affecting 30,000,000+ people. Not as extreme as it might be.

      She's a dirty politician, and should never be employed again as anything more involved than burger flipper,

      Agreed.

      but let's cut the hyperbole.

      Not quite as hyperbolic as you suggest. Some people/companies will be making millions off this law.

      That's the problem with the law. A stroke of the pen and millions of people are affected. Hopefully positively but all too often negatively. The law is a single point of failure for the entire country. Companies and others take advantage of that.

      And yes, I'm Canadian.

      Doesn't mean much. For all we know you're working for the CRIA. ;-)

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    23. Re:the hilton effect by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

      Why haven't you been hanged, or hung, or swung (swanged?) from a rope?

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  2. Will he dump her now? by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to multiple sources, the personal reason involves a personal relationship with one of Canada's leading copyright lobbyists.

    While Neri's personal life is no one's business but her own, this does raise troubling questions about the quick passage of Bill C-59, the anti-camcording legislation, since Neri appeared as a witness before a Senate hearing on the bill with the lobbyist in the room.


    I'd be interested in watching the speed at which she is "dumped" by the lobbyist now that she has no power to help advance his career.

    1. Re:Will he dump her now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't know, sleazy corrupt politician and MPAA lobbyist ... they seem like a natural couple.

      ("Talk dirty to me!" "Fair use! Consumer rights!" "Ohhh that's it you filthy slut ...")

    2. Re:Will he dump her now? by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      Sadly enough I wouldn't doubt it. One would hope that this isn't just a case of, well, 'that', but having seen some of the lengths lobbyists have gone to it doesn't seem that improbably.

      And that is sad :(

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    3. Re:Will he dump her now? by Drawkcab · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, but the point is that she's now a sleazy, corrupt EX-politician, so the situation has changed for the lobbyist.

    4. Re:Will he dump her now? by MicktheMech · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well yeah, but the point is that she's now a sleazy, corrupt EX-politician, so the situation has changed for the lobbyist.

      Sleazy or not, she's wasn't a politician. She was a Director-General, part of the civil service; a bureaucrat. She's not even an appointee, order in council doesn't kick in until ADM.
    5. Re:Will he dump her now? by alshithead · · Score: 1

      "I'd be interested in watching the speed at which she is "dumped" by the lobbyist now that she has no power to help advance his career."

      Could be that he will retire with his golden parachute and she will retire with her bribes and they'll live happily ever after on their newly purchased tropical island with no more technology than refrigeration to make ice for their drinks. :P

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    6. Re:Will he dump her now? by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Please, come on. This legislation was supported by all parties, which in the current Canadian political climate is virtually impossible. The reason it passed so quickly is it's simply correct. There is no inherent right to enter to a place of public performance and make an unauthorized recording, and *IT SAYS SO ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET*. So, by making such a recording, you are already breaching the contract you agreed to when you bought your ticket. This bill simply added some penalties if you succeeded in making such a recording, and started selling or distributing copies.

      Don't get me wrong - I'm against DRM, the DMCA, etc. If I buy a CD (or vinyl or cassette), I figure I've paid the record company and the artist, and if I want to copy the music or video to an iPod or my hard drive, or so I can have a copy in my car without having to drag my entire CD collection every time I saddle up, that's my right. I paid to have a permanent copy of the work.

      But live performance is something different - I haven't contracted to have anything beyond that performance, and I don't feel I've paid for the right to make a copy. I doubt you'll see any kind of DMCA act pass nearly as quickly; in fact, I doubt it will pass it all, and that's regardless of who's shacked up with who.

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    7. Re:Will he dump her now? by badfish99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Neither is there an inherant right for business models to be propped up by government legislation, especially when there is already the remedy of breach of civil contract.

    8. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oh god, its the old "business model propped up by government" complaint again.

      lets say you run a shop that sells food. all the food is on shelves, ready for people to pick it up and take home. the windows are made of glass. If people don't want to pay, they can ram-raid the shop at midnight, load up all the food, and drive off. Why don't we all do this?
      Because its against the law. The police will investigate, they may well catch us, they will prosecute us, they will press for us to get a custodial sentence, and we will end up in prison. if we resist arrest they will use force, ultimately, if we are armed, they may use deadly force to push the issue.
      Surely that is a business model ultimately propped up by government?

      You live in western society. Modern capitalist societies have rules, rules that we all agree to abide by in the common interest. One of those rules is not to take stuff from other people without compensating them. This is true of food, lodgings, cars, clothes, music, movies, software, live performances by entertainers... anything that someone is doing for a living and requesting payment for.
      The distinction between the government protecting retail, and it protecting movies exists only in the minds of those who want to take the movies for free, yet still be protected from the anarchy that ensues if the government stops protecting bricks an mortar businesses.

      BTW any lame attempt by anyone to argue that its ok to make digital copies because the original remains does not understand the concepts of market size and fixed costs. If your actions (taking something rather than buying it) cannot be scaled up to the whole market without putting the producer out of business, then you are just leeching of the law-abiding.

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    9. Re:Will he dump her now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well said, its rare to hear someone speaking reasonably about respecting copyright on slashdot.

    10. Re:Will he dump her now? by WNight · · Score: 1

      http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/22/why-knockoffs-are-go.html

      Actually, it's not clear that copying intellectual property hurts its creator.

      The fact is that copyright and physical property are nothing alike. You can't just forbid people to copy intellectual works - they've already started by watching them. Are the quotes they remember a violation?

    11. Re:Will he dump her now? by WNight · · Score: 2, Informative

      The contract argument is wrong. Nothing printed on the back of a ticket or anything is a contract. It couldn't be, you got it when you bought the ticket, how could you have agreed to it before then?

      There is a contract of sale, but the ticket and what's printed on it, isn't it. That'd be like a EULA - hidden conditions, crouching liability.

    12. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 2

      wow, if boingboing says it it must be true, they are about as rapidly anti-copyright as slashdot.
      As a content creator, I can assure you that it is massively clear, but you keep clinging to some belief that copyright theft is somehow a good thing for the person you took the product from if it helps you sleep at nights.

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    13. Re:Will he dump her now? by badfish99 · · Score: 2

      Yes, modern societies have rules. Most of these rules have been in place for hundreds of years. Then, suddenly, a new rule appears, and in the space of just three weeks it is enshrined in law, with prison sentence for anyone who breaks it. Shouldn't we question whether this new rule is a good one or a bad one? Especially when the people affected by the behaviour being outlawed already have a range of legal remedies available to them, and the motivation for the politicians passing the law appears to have been cash bribes?

    14. Re:Will he dump her now? by k8to · · Score: 4, Informative

      If a site is anti-copyright it must be wrong?

      Sorry it still isn't theft, no matter how many times you say it so. The term in both vernacular and legalese is incorrect.

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    15. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 1

      sorry but the idea that you pay someone for products has been around longer than 3 weeks.

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    16. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 1

      a website like this one that mods someone as flamebait for daring to suggest that an argument about business models does not hold up under scrutiny is clearly one-sided and wrong, yes.
      Slashdot posters routinely stick their fingers in their ears and pretend not to listen, as do digg and boingboing users, if there is ever a reasonable argument mentioned in favour of copyright. Anything that stops you taking other peoples work for free is 'teh evil' and 'teh mafiaaaaa'.

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    17. Re:Will he dump her now? by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      I invented ice though. I took out a patent on it - "Organising water molecules into a solid crystelline structure by means of a phase shift generally occurring at zero degrees celcius". Speak to Chantelle in the patent office if you have any bones with that. Chantelle had a bone or 2 over it, believe me >_>

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    18. Re:Will he dump her now? by k8to · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a website like this one that mods someone as flamebait for daring to suggest that an argument about business models does not hold up under scrutiny is clearly one-sided and wrong, yes. Well, you've backpedaled some, but you need to do some more.

      Your statement that it's one-sided, while stretching the truth, is more or less accurate. That it is necessarily wrong doesn't follow. That was your error.

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    19. Re:Will he dump her now? by Elemenope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea that you cannot take photos, cam, or audio recordings of an event for which you are present (and so presumably recording into your memory with your own eyes and ears) is quite new, and quite bizarre. I'm not saying its wrong, necessarily, just not as obviously right as you are making it out to be.

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    20. Re:Will he dump her now? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      live performance is something different

      Yes - but is a movie a 'live performance'?

      It's a different experience from watching the same content on a TV set, but it's in no way 'live' in any meaningful sense of the word.

      Having said that, I wouldn't buy a camcorder copy of a film anyway, but don't see a problem with other people doing so if they wish - the price charged for content is so far over its value that I really don't care if others infringe copyright, even if I can't be bothered to do so myself.

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    21. Re:Will he dump her now? by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no inherent right to enter to a place of public performance and make an unauthorized recording, and *IT SAYS SO ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET*. So, by making such a recording, you are already breaching the contract you agreed to when you bought your ticket.

      Right.

      So if it's already against the law, why the hell do we need another law that does the same damn thing.

      Let's stop making new laws until we can adequately enforce the ones we already have. There are existing laws already in place that would solve whatever problem the new laws seek to deal with if they were enforced.

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    22. Re:Will he dump her now? by pizpot · · Score: 1

      ... nice rant, but you don't pass specific laws for every business situation. Don't steal is good enough, etc.

    23. Re:Will he dump her now? by naasking · · Score: 1

      There is no inherent right to enter to a place of public performance and make an unauthorized recording, and *IT SAYS SO ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET*.

      If it's a public place, then I do have the right to record anything happening there, as long as I don't focus exclusively on a single subject without their permission (privacy laws). Movie theatres are not public places, they are private property, and THIS is why they can enforce the "no camcorders" rule; I don't see how this law is any more effective in achieving that.

      Also, the fact that it is an "unauthorized recording" is already assuming a notion of copyright, which is not a natural "god-given" right.

    24. Re:Will he dump her now? by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      This bill simply added some penalties if you succeeded in making such a recording, and started selling or distributing copies.

      And that's the problem. If a private venue wants to have policies restricting the recording of live performances then it's fine with me. However, it's also up to them to enforce the policies they choose to embrace. Are there widespread violations? Too much trouble to watch for violations and kick people out? Can't enforce house rules without having the government "add penalties" to make it a crime? Well, maybe that should mean something to you.

      Lots of stores here in the states have signs on the door that say "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service". Fancy restaurants require men to wear ties. That's their right: If they don't like how I'm dressed they can refuse service and ask me to leave. It does not mean that they should be able to pass laws and recruit the police to enforce their mandatory dress codes. See the difference?

    25. Re:Will he dump her now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW any lame attempt by anyone to argue that its ok to make digital copies because the original remains does not understand the concepts of market size and fixed costs. If your actions (taking something rather than buying it) cannot be scaled up to the whole market without putting the producer out of business, then you are just leeching of the law-abiding. Let's see.

      1.) You used the word "any". It's still usable by anyone else, even though you just "leeched" that word off the "law-abiding" public domain, without ever diminishing the word "any", without ever diminishing it's potential use any number of future times, without paying anyone anything.

      2.) Same for every other word you used (aka COPIED).

      Why is it ok for you to copy the word "any", even though you didn't create or invent that word? If you can't understand this basic understanding of ideas not being "stolen" or taken away from others, you sure haven't the first clue regarding "market size" and "fixed costs" in the creation of ideas.

      Some people just need to be repeatedly slapped with the silly stupid stick before they understand simple concepts. I sometimes wonder if they even notice that they are being upbraided /slapped for FREE?
    26. Re:Will he dump her now? by djasbestos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a content creator, I can assure you that it is massively clear, but you keep clinging to some belief that copyright theft is somehow a good thing for the person you took the product from if it helps you sleep at nights.
      As a "content creator", I can assure you that you are wrong. There are very few "commissioned" artists these days, and for everyone to expect they can become one is ludicrous. However, if you simply produce "content" for the love of music or art or what-have-ye, then profit is secondary to greatness, both of reknown and of your own ability to forge your mental conceptions into concrete representation. As long as you are credited as the creator of whatever content you make, I don't see the problem...it's free advertising, and notoriety is worth far more than a flat buck. And if your content REALLY is THAT good, people will offer you money for more of it, even if they can get it for free (even legitimately). People ask if I've got CD's all the time, and I say all my music is free for download, and they still want to buy a CD. You can't buy that sort of thing.

      Of course, there will always be those out there (primarily pop musicians) who will create crap for the purposes of making money. Hence filler tracks. Hence "contract fulfillment" via quantity over quality. Which dilutes art. Yay capitalism!

      But definitely, if someone takes credit for your creations, it's time to lay the smack down. Per Barnum: "I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right."
    27. Re:Will he dump her now? by porpnorber · · Score: 1

      But live performance is something different - I haven't contracted to have anything beyond that performance, and I don't feel I've paid for the right to make a copy.

      This is a funny question. Myself, I feel that people should have an explicitly articulated right to their own memories; in particular, I believe that they should have the right to a persistent record of anything they have perceived in person. I admit that this is something I can't claim to be entirely objective about; many people have excellent native memories, but I do not. I frequently have the experience of someone reminding me about something pleasant or interesting that happened to me - unless I took pictures, I'm unlikely to be able to retrieve it myself.

      It's not a huge disability, as disabilities go, and it's not a discontinuous one - it's a faculty in which there is huge natural variation. But why is it seemingly so obvious to everyone that this is not something with which technology should be allowed to help? Why can I have eyeglasses and a wheelchair, but not a video recorder?

      It's not even as if I'd end up with a usable copy of the source material; I'd only have a record of my own perspective - and, truly, I think that perspective is mine. I think that is what I paid for, and I do not think it is fair to suppose that experiences are only intended to be leased, and not sold.

    28. Re:Will he dump her now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh god, its the old "copyable information is equivalent to tangible objects" comparison again.

    29. Re:Will he dump her now? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      sorry but the idea that you pay someone for products has been around longer than 3 weeks.
      ...as are the laws that protect both the purchaser and the seller of said products. However, a group event is not a product. If a proprieter of an establishment doesn't like what someone is doing in their establishment, they have the right to ask them to leave. Just imagine if you could be thrown in jail for writing down the cost of items in your favorite store... currently, the most they can do is kick you out and ask that you never come back. If you return, that's trespassing. Same thing applies to movie theatres. Of course, the theatre already paid the MPAA for the product, so nothing has been stolen anyway. This is why there are different rules for public performance vs private viewing -- public performance implies a large group of people will be able to duplicate the information (either in their heads, or on some personal media). Now if you want to argue for the MPAA (not the theatres, who don't actually own the films) and their right to control their intellectual property and recoup their costs (and make some profit), you might have a bit of a point... except that copyright law already exists too. If they catch someone distributing their IP, they can sue.
    30. Re:Will he dump her now? by Brickwall · · Score: 1
      Let me try it this way: suppose you invented a fabulous new drink - the "Flaming Moe". Everybody loved it, and since no one knew your secret recipe, you were making a lot of cash. Now let's consider two cases: 1 - I break in one night, steal a batch of "Flaming Moes" (unflamed, of course), and bring them home to share with friends. Now, this is theft, and you're out the retail value of those FM's. You catch me, I get charged with theft, I suffer criminal charges and penalties (jail, fines, etc.), and you can recover the retail value against me in civil court. Fair enough, right?

      2 - I break in one night, and steal the recipe for the "Flaming Moe". Before you even know that the recipe has been stolen, it's been distributed over the Internet, and your secret (and cash stream) are gone for ever. How do you recover damages from me? How do you even compute them? Are you forced, pace the Goldman family, to let me publish my book "If I did it.." in order to recover what some third party has calculated are requisite damages?

      Again, I'm not supporting the **AA in everything they are trying to accomplish. If you buy a CD, DVD, whatever, then I think you should be able to use that recording for your personal use (making backups, making copies for your car, office, MP3 player, whatever). But let's recognize that the world has changed, shall we? Laws that were designed when concepts like "theft" were based on physical goods that moved at a snail like speeds are not necessarily effective or appropriate when goods are ephemeral and move at the speed of light. Do you think they had speeding laws in the 1600's? Different sea laws for sail or steam powered ships in the 1700's? Spectrum interference laws in the 1800's? New technologies often create the need for new laws. You may need to study some of Marshall Macluhan's work to truly understand this concept.

      Let me give you one final example: MS released Halo 3 to its much-awaited fans yesterday. I'm not a big fan of shoot-em-up games myself, so I have no personal ax to grind here. But MS's share price went up about 3% in one day, and MS expects to make a ton of money out of Halo 3. Are you suggesting that it's OK to buy one copy of Halo 3, make as many copies as you want, and then sell or give them away to others? You might get away with it, and even make some money yourself, but here's the important point: do this, and *THERE WILL BE NO HALO 4*. I'm a libertarian, and I'm no fan of excessive government intervention, but I also realize that if there is no effective way to protect property rights, society will either collapse into anarchy, or stagnate (who will bother to innovate if their years of hard work will be stolen within 24 hours?). Please try to think this through, and give me some carefully reasoned responses.

      Thanks.

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    31. Re:Will he dump her now? by Brickwall · · Score: 1
      and the motivation for the politicians passing the law appears to have been cash bribes?

      Please give us your undisclosed background information supporting this slur. Since this bill passed with all party support, are you suggesting that every single MP in Canada is corrupt? Which MP's received bribes? How much did they get? I can assure you, a million dollar book is available if you have proof.

      Or are you just talking through your (ass)hat?

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    32. Re:Will he dump her now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was beautiful man. I shed a tear. No seriously, excellent point.

    33. Re:Will he dump her now? by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "There are very few "commissioned" artists these days"

      There are plenty of commissioned artists. Some examples:

      Session musicians and singers.
      Composers who write scores (or in many cases both write and record them) for advertising, TV, radio, movies, video games, etc.
      Freelance commercial artists, writers, and photographers.
      Most professional dancers, choreographers, and actors.
      Just about everyone involved in the movie industry.

      Anybody who is paid to do a one-off job, set of jobs, or produce a specific product, and could be described as some sort of artists is a commissioned artist.

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  3. Not what I was expecting.... by downix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was expecting some kind of payola, maybe free vacations, a car, ya know, the usual. But when the Canadian Lobbyist told his bosses he'd really give it his all...

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  4. Another nail in the coffin? by Rodyland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surely, eventually, people will have to realise what the **AA are up to and call shenanigans on the whole show. And towards that end a story like this is nothing but good news.

    1. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by driftingwalrus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find your faith in humanity touching.

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      "I drank WHAT?!" -- Socrates
    2. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      I find your lack of faith...wait...hang on...the RIAA? Oh, well it's fine then...carry on...

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    3. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use the term "shenanigans" are statistically heavy Cheeto's consumers.

    4. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, stop this tomfoolery - says who??

    5. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      people will have to realise what the **AA are up to and call shenanigans on the whole show.


      Sure they will. Then it'll go to court, and the RIAA will be judged guilty, and then they'll ignore the rulings and do the same thing again in other countries for a while, until the anti-trust.. I mean copyright... judgement term is deemed to have completed, at which point they'll launch their own version of Vista.
  5. No Surprise by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given that the lobbyists are always in bed with the lawmakers ;)

    1. Re:No Surprise by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Given that the lobbyists are always in bed with the lawmakers ;)

      pics or didn't happen :P

  6. Again? by MunchMunch · · Score: 2, Informative
    I swear, I must be getting old, because didn't this just happen?

    Well, I'm still jealous. At least Canada apparently cleans house every so often...

    1. Re:Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth be told the only reason this made the news is they couldn't hide it. Thats the only reason this has surfaced. Canadian politics is as crooked, and "in bed" as anyother country, even the one just south of us. Make no mistakes

  7. Duties to be Determined by loid_void · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article, "has been removed from her position to become a special advisor to Assistant Deputy Minister Jean-Pierre Blais with "duties still to be determined."


    I see a follow-up article here.

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    1. Re:Duties to be Determined by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Funny

      And half of slashdot will label it as a dupe ... nothing new here.

  8. Nice one by obeythefist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would be nice to see if it changes anything, I've always liked Canada's stance. Australia seems much too happy just following along with the USA.

    It doesn't actually change anything in any of the three countries. People all do the same stuff. It's just the Canadians aren't made criminals by doing the same activities as everyone else in the world.

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    1. Re:Nice one by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia seems much too happy just following along with the USA.

      The copyright law changes were part of a free trade deal so we could sell beef, sugar and steel to the US market without restriction. The sick joke was we got a promise that a beef deal will be looked at in more than ten years time and we can forget about sugar and steel.

    2. Re:Nice one by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "so we could sell beef, sugar and steel"

      The US just bought our biggest steel company.

      Sugar? We grow sugar here? Huh?

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    3. Re:Nice one by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sugar? We grow sugar here? Huh?

      One of the largest exports. On another thread I was bitching about the quality of US education and it looks like my own country has a few problems too :(

    4. Re:Nice one by dbIII · · Score: 1

      On the other hand perhaps the "Australia" bit in my reply was missed and you thought I was talking about Canada.

  9. Canadian Copyright Officially Dumped? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess we can all dream.

  10. Isn't this obvious? by BlueshiftVFX · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I mean is anyone acctually surprised that this is how things get done? OMG she got caught doing what we all do! says the other government officials. sexual favours for getting bills passed and what not.

    1. Re:Isn't this obvious? by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      Who was getting the sexual favours here?

      Is she that ugly and desperate?

      And now, does Assistant Deputy Minister Jean-Pierre Blais
      got the hots for her?

      She should flat out be fired.

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    2. Re:Isn't this obvious? by Sibko · · Score: 1

      Well yes, actually. I understand that many people in other parts of the world accept that their politicians take bribes to pass laws, but I'm glad that here in Canada we apparently do not tolerate it, and remove these people from power. That's how a government should be run.

      In my honest opinion, it's when you start expecting politicians to always act like corrupt douchebags, that you will tend to get and keep corrupt douchebags as politicians - because it becomes accepted. Instead of an uproar over corrupt individuals, people just say 'meh, they're all like that'. Personally, I think politicians ought to be held to the same standards as the rest of us, and when they fuck up, they should face the consequences.

    3. Re:Isn't this obvious? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      And now, does Assistant Deputy Minister Jean-Pierre Blais got the hots for her?
      Not a chance; we, the french, are pretty discriminate about who we shag.
  11. and No Effect by Nymz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While Patricia Neri has been removed for this ethical violation, I doubt this indiscretion will have any effect on future legislation. Policy makers will still make their decisions based upon lobbying deals and merit. As for the MPAA, it's not like their reputation could get any worse.

    1. Re:and No Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in Canada it is illegal for a federal politician to accept corporate or union donations.

    2. Re:and No Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Policy makers will still make their decisions based upon lobbying deals and merit.

      I'll just bet those policy makers will be lining up for their own "lobbying deals" and making decisions based on "merit" - depending on how good-looking of a lobbyist they have to have discourse with...

  12. It's time for another Boston Tea Party... by headkase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The issues are the same - an unfair balance between parties. Once we (here in Canada) get up to ridiculous levels of copyright terms as you already are in the US then it's either reform time or - forbid - killing time. Culture is being locked up, fourteen years is enough for copyright. If it was still set at this reasonable time imagine what you could be downloading right now legally: all music, books, and movies from 1993 and before. This is fair not a defacto perpetual license to rip people off.

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  13. talk about... by spyder-implee · · Score: 0

    Sleeping with the enemy.

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    1. Re:talk about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when have legislators been the enemies of the **AA?

  14. Correction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    The development is raising questions about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks...
    This development begs the question about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks.
    1. Re:Correction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I see what you tried to do, that's a nice attempt, but it failed miserably. :)

  15. corporate whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Either way she's still a corporate whore.

  16. What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is Canadians should re-establish their rights. First, their right to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Glock. Then tell their public officials that not only do they want the camcorder bill rescinded, and the Canadian DMCA dropped. But also a law passed rescinding ALL of the MPAA's copyrights for copyright abuse.

    Big Troll but it's truly what should be done. I am not sure what the basis of legality for copyrights in Canada is. Here in the U.S., our patent and copyright laws are supposed to be for a limited time. And for the purpose of further invention and the arts. (No other purpose.)

    Well,...it's not. And just as nearly all of our rights are slowly being eroded by re-interpretations, expansions, etc. *shrug* Just wait until the DFSA (Digital Free Speech Act) is passed restricting free speech to only verbal. I mean, the Constitution never explicitly allowed for digital speech. Therefore, it's clear that expressing your point of views online is NOT protected by the U.S. Constitution. (Ain't revisionist interpretation a !@#$%.)

    Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights.

    1. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Canada, democracy means we don't need weapons to change public policy...Maybe it's different in the US, I don't know.

    2. Re:What it means... by SpottedKuh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights.

      How's that working out for you? I mean no disrespect, but as a Canadian looking south, from my point of view it doesn't look like your 2nd Ammendment is doing anything to curb your government screwing with its citizens (Patriot Act, anyone?). In fact, it seems like the only result of the 2nd Ammendment is a lot of gun deaths. I'd like to hear your point of view on this.

    3. Re:What it means... by Oldav · · Score: 0

      SSShhhh, dont bring that up, the gun deaths are doing the world a favour, dont discourage them! Gun deaths of US citzens shooting each other are far more effective than terrorism 50k/year. Every US citizen should have a machine gun and use it regularly on their fellow citizens. Perhaps we could start a "guns for the poor in the US" charity(-:

    4. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Canadians should re-establish their rights. First, their right to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Glock.

      Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights. A whole lotta good that's doing for ya. It's stopped the DMCA in its tracks. Oh wait...
    5. Re:What it means... by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights.

      Another Canuck mentioned it too but I haven't notice that particular group. I notice lots of corprate interests groups buying your government off. I notice civil liberties slowly fading away. But have yet to see an interested militia kick out the corrupt. I did see your vice prez exercise his second amendment rights and shoot a "friend"... you have to something fiercely evil when the guy you shot apologizes to you.

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      "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
    6. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.

      As for the gun deaths. Considering I had a classmate in high school who ran for gun dealers. The laws prevent nothing. They bring guns over the border and sell them illegally. You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.

    7. Re:What it means... by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [Re: Whether 2nd Ammendment rights protect citizens' other rights in the U.S.]: Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.

      I gave a lot of thought to your answer. In the end, what puzzled me was how you treat the right to own guns as an end in itself, rather than as a means to an end. What I mean is this: your reply seems to indicate that even if you lose all of your other rights, except the right to own guns, that this is somehow still a small victory for you. But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive -- namely, that the right to own guns should prevent your government from ever taking away your rights (fearing rebellion from an armed militia). At least in my opinion, as a non-American observing your politics from afar, this has failed (beating the Patriot Act example to death, here). What victory is there for your rights if you have a complacent (but armed!) population?

      You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.

      Indeed, this is a very good point. It is much easier to produce statistics on how many gun deaths occured, rather than on how many crimes were prevented by guns. This argument seems to be a cornerstone of people who support arming the population.

      Unfortunately, your statement was more accurate than you intended, perhaps. I don't hear about how many crimes are prevented by guns. In order for me to consider your argument that guns prevent crime as a valid argument, I would need at least some indication that the number of crimes preveted is large.

      The only "indication" that I've ever seen produced is a thought game, which I've only ever heard as some variant of: "Would you rob that liquor store, if you knew the clerk was packing?" Yet, were that rationale valid, there would be far fewer liquor store robberies per capita in parts of the world where people are armed to the teeth (all other factors being equal, to rule out secondary causes of crime such as poverty, etc.). If I could see that evidence, or if anyone could point me in the right direction to it, then I would be able to assign a lot more weight to your argument.

    8. Re:What it means... by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.

      So you're saying the USA, which leads the first world in gun-related crime, would actually have more gun-related crime if we didn't have so many guns?

      How's that work, exactly?

    9. Re:What it means... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is Canadians should re-establish their rights. First, their right to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Glock. Then tell their public officials that not only do they want the camcorder bill rescinded, and the Canadian DMCA dropped. But also a law passed rescinding ALL of the MPAA's copyrights for copyright abuse.
      We do not need guns, because we make sure to elect governments that won't abuse us, and that keeps the crime rate very low, too. This is why we have free universal health-insurance.

      We do not have a DMCA either, so we can download music, backup our DVDs, talk about DeCSS and watch DVDs from India, Luxembourg or China.

    10. Re:What it means... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Tell you what. Why don't you keep your 'get out yer guns and slaughter the bastards' solutions on your side of the border. In case you haven't noticed, things are actually different in Canada! For starters, we don't have a DMCA-like bill. It was actually DEFEATED!!! Also, Ms. Neri was removed from her position, and (more significantly) Bev Oda was "shuffled" in the last parliament reorg.

      You admit, "I am not sure what the basis of legality for copyrights in Canada is." Well then, quit giving advice. Since most of your opinion is based on how fucked up your country is, why don't you apply your advice to your country and leave us the fuck alone.

      Oh yes, and have a nice day.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    11. Re:What it means... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive -- namely, that the right to own guns should prevent your government from ever taking away your rights (fearing rebellion from an armed militia). At least in my opinion, as a non-American observing your politics from afar, this has failed (beating the Patriot Act example to death, here).
      That's because those who like guns don't think that the patriot act is bad...
    12. Re:What it means... by alshithead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "How's that working out for you? I mean no disrespect, but as a Canadian looking south, from my point of view it doesn't look like your 2nd Ammendment is doing anything to curb your government screwing with its citizens (Patriot Act, anyone?)."

      Theoretically, it's supposed to provide that when the majority of the population realizes that their democratic republic has become a tyranny, enough citizens will still be armed to foment revolution. Now, having said that I have to also state that I don't believe that the USA has reached that point. Ask me how it seems to working again if the next election is delayed or canceled for some reason.

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    13. Re:What it means... by ageoffri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually many of us who are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment despise the Patriot Act. Acknowledging that the 2nd Amendment is important does not mean that we want to give up other rights. The Patriot Act overstepped the bounds of the Federal government just like the Gun Control Act of 1986.

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    14. Re:What it means... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Once again we get the origin myth that a freezing band of civilians in the woods with hunting muskets took down an Empire singlehanded. Can't you guys just wave a flag instead of using real and dangerous guns as your symbol?

    15. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Canadians should re-establish their rights. First, their right to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Glock."

      canada already has more guns per capita than the usa. they just don't shoot each other with them quite as often so you don't notice. in civilised nations the ballot box is used in preference to the barrel of a gun to 'maintain their rights'. it would appear that inhabitants of the united states have used neither, given the eight year brutal rape of your constitution and the bill of rights. you will never be able to hold off the government and it will not hesitate to crush you with overwhelming force (especially in america) if you do.

      so you know the right end of a pistol, big whoop, maybe you can even fire it accurately wearing ear protection and standing upright. can you run 5 km, belly crawl and then do it? better yet, can 10 of your buddies do that too? there's a reason why militias tend to look like this. the makings of hardened guerrilla fighters? i think not. why won't this silly fantasy of a band of suburbanite, beer keg revolutionaries bringing the government to heel die already?

    16. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theoretically, it's supposed to provide that when the majority of the population realizes that their democratic republic has become a tyranny, enough citizens will still be armed to foment revolution exactly - and how can you go wrong with an armed mob?
    17. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

      see the 'well regulated militia' part? now, what on earth makes you think that a group of gentlemen who had a voting requirment of owning 10 acres of land want every idiot to own as many guns as they wanted? even if, ludicrously, your answer is 'yes' i strongly suggest you consider that a muzzle loading musket is vastly different from a glock.

    18. Re:What it means... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Check out The Battle of Athens, Tennessee. 1946.

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    19. Re:What it means... by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.

      How well do legal fire arms work well against APCs, Abrams, and Blackhawks?

      You need fully automatic weapons, RPGs, and shaped charged explosive to defeat such vehicles (which Iraqi insurgents have) which are of course illegal to own in the United States.

      I might be able to get lucky and shoot someone through the eye slits of their body armor, but the only use for the legal gun is to turn it on yourself when there is nothing else to live for.

      In reality, I think the 2nd Amendment gave the States to have their own militias separate from Federal control. Of course now that is generally overlooked and all National Guard armies are under command of the President (which is horribly wrong in a peace time enviroment and Jefferson is powering a small generator in his grave right now through spinning)

      If every state had its own militia fully armed it could defend itself from a national army, but sadly that is not the case.

      As it stands now... The 2nd amendment is about as useful as the 1st in terms of getting respect from the government.

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    20. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do not need guns, because we make sure to elect governments that won't abuse us, and that keeps the crime rate very low, too. This is why we have free universal health-insurance.

      You clearly either don't live in the west, or don't remember Trudeau... the only PM who had a separatist movement outside Quebec.

    21. Re:What it means... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Check out The Battle of Athens, Tennessee. 1946.

      Interesting, however my previous point in another post still stands.

      The load of the "rebels" had M1 Garands which was the top of the line weapons issued to US Soldiers in WWII (sure the German StG44 was far superior, but most of the Germans still only had Kar98 bolt action rifles) and of course dynamite.

      If you were to compare it today standards it would be like having a fully automatic M16 and a package of C4 which are both highly illegal according to federal law. I mean... How are you supposed to defend against a Swat team armed with auto-assault rifles who also have an armored APC when you aren't even allowed to own dynamite?

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    22. Re:What it means... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Full auto is easy, and legal to get, depending on state. Federally, it must have been made before May of '86 (anything after is LEO, Military or "post dealer sample" only), you get a background check (same as buying any gun), fingerprint check, either form an LLC *or* get chief law enforcement sign off (county sherrif), and you get your full auto gun with a special $200 tax stamp. Same with silenced weapons, or short barrel shotgun (sbs, barrel less than 18") or short barrel rifle (sbr, barrel less than 16"). Not to mention the "AOW" (any other weapon) and various destructive devices. All legal to get, own, etc. with the proper checks and *tax* stamps. Thats how they are regulated - interstate commerce clauses and taxes.

      On top of all of that, full auto is fairly usesless - which is why the M16 now has a 3 shot burst instead of true FA. Tactically, it is used for covering fire, etc. not for actually "doing" something. For most of the "doing" stuff, semi-auto or FA with controlled bursts (thats why the 3 shot burst exists -they couldn't train it into the soldiers).

      And on top of all of that, the last SCOTUS involvement with the 2nd amendment (miller vs. us) in the '30s affirmed that the 2nd was for military style arms of the times, which at the time didn't include full auto and sawed off shotguns, which is what Miller got busted for... so yeah, it *should* mean that my FAL, AK, and AR15 should all be full auto capable, etc :)

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    23. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell you what. Why don't you keep your 'get out yer guns and slaughter the bastards' solutions on your side of the border. In case you haven't noticed, things are actually different in Canada! For starters, we don't have a DMCA-like bill. It was actually DEFEATED!!! Also, Ms. Neri was removed from her position, and (more significantly) Bev Oda was "shuffled" in the last parliament reorg.

      You admit, "I am not sure what the basis of legality for copyrights in Canada is." Well then, quit giving advice. Since most of your opinion is based on how fucked up your country is, why don't you apply your advice to your country and leave us the fuck alone.

      Oh yes, and have a nice day.

      Yeah that's why Canada is the brunt of so many South Park Jokes.

    24. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what if someone was strangled with the flag?

      What if someone rolled the flag up into a ball and pushed it down someone's throat?

      Heavens forbid, what if someone sharpened the flagpole and stuck it in someone?!

    25. Re:What it means... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.
      Hmm. Wasn't the right to bear arms set up so that the individuals and militias of the US could defend themselves from corrupt government and anyone else with a gun?

      And yet, if you look more closely, Americans only have the right to bear (some) arms*.

      *as long as they aren't arms that can compete with the arms used by organized crime or the US military.

      For that matter... ever tried carrying a full-length sword down a busy street? Even weapons that are officially allowed aren't really allowed due to other legislation.

    26. Re:What it means... by alshithead · · Score: 1

      "Theoretically, it's supposed to provide that when the majority of the population realizes that their democratic republic has become a tyranny, enough citizens will still be armed to foment revolution
      exactly - and how can you go wrong with an armed mob?"

      I wasn't going to but I'll bite...How can an armed mob of people fighting a tyranny to restore their democratic republic go wrong?

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    27. Re:What it means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How well do legal fire arms work well against APCs, Abrams, and Blackhawks?"

      Awesomely, terrifyingly, disturbingly well, if the families of the crews happen to live in the same country as the firearms owners.

    28. Re:What it means... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      This still doesn't explain why handguns (almost totally useless against soldiers) are allowed?

    29. Re:What it means... by alshithead · · Score: 1

      "This still doesn't explain why handguns (almost totally useless against soldiers) are allowed?"

      Guns, in general, can be very useful tools. While allowed by constitutional amendment specifically for allowing an armed militia, they are used legally here in the USA for multiple purposes. Pistols are used for hunting wild pig in many of our southern states and as self defense against bear and mountain lion in many of our western states. For those who feel a need for guns in their home as self-defense against intruders, often a pistol is a more practical weapon than a rifle or shotgun. I'd say that any gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, or even a spear gun would be useful in armed revolution. Besides that, shooting pistols is a lot of fun. Much more challenging than rifles in many ways.

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    30. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      "But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive "

      Quite so, the truth of the matter...many of the rights people are decrying being lost are not encountered by the majority of people. I've not found myself a victim of being detained without cause, search or had my possessions seized, etc.

      The advantage of a complacent and armed population is that when things reach a point where complacency is NOT an option. A means to re-instate said rights exists via gun ownership.

      "It is much easier to produce statistics on how many gun deaths occured, rather than on how many crimes were prevented by guns. This argument seems to be a cornerstone of people who support arming the population."

      Not a cornerstone, just one of the many pillars.

      "Unfortunately, your statement was more accurate than you intended, perhaps. I don't hear about how many crimes are prevented by guns. In order for me to consider your argument that guns prevent crime as a valid argument, I would need at least some indication that the number of crimes preveted is large."

      http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

      (how about 2.5 million a year?)

    31. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      "see the 'well regulated militia' part? now, what on earth makes you think that a group of gentlemen who had a voting requirment of owning 10 acres of land want every idiot to own as many guns as they wanted?"

      The British...

      Oh, btw, it was mainly the fact that most everybody DID own said guns that allowed us to have our little revolution.

      "i strongly suggest you consider that a muzzle loading musket is vastly different from a glock.""

      I strongly suggest you consider that a glock is vastly different from an M-16. And an M1-Abram is vastly different than a British horse drawn cannon.

      Therefore, a weapon of the caliber of Glock is both reasonable and necessary for the citizenry to be able to stand before the formed military.

    32. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      "You need fully automatic weapons, RPGs, and shaped charged explosive to defeat such vehicles (which Iraqi insurgents have) which are of course illegal to own in the United States."

      Ever heard of an IED? It's what's been getting many of our troops.

      "In reality, I think the 2nd Amendment gave the States to have their own militias separate from Federal control. "

      No, it did not. The states already had armies. In fact, much of the fighting of the revolutionary war was by state armies.

      "Of course now that is generally overlooked and all National Guard armies are under command of the President (which is horribly wrong in a peace time enviroment and Jefferson is powering a small generator in his grave right now through spinning)"

      Agreed on this. Many people try to say the National Guard is the militia. It's not. Militias are defensive where as the National Guard is repeatedly sent abroad offensively.

    33. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Because pistols are very good for self-defense especially in close-in situations. An area rifles tend to be very poor at.

    34. Re:What it means... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      No, we didn't do it alone...

      We had help for a foreign superpower. "France"

  17. Female official messing around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's why Virgin Digital is shutting down!

  18. So screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This whole thing is so screwed.

  19. I didn't even realize that law had passed by freeweed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny, I figured that legislation had no hope in hell of going anywhere.

    So there I, after paying my $15 to watch a movie this weekend, and this commercial comes on. Guy in a prison cell. Looks hardcore, like a gang thug or something. The tag line is to the effect of "cameras can watch this dude all day long now... because he DARED bring a camera into a movie theatre".

    I just about bust a gut laughing, then realized it was serious: there's a "Operating a recording device in a movie theatre is now illegal in Canada" message at the end.

    How fucking pathetic.

    Fuck them. I'm officially downloading from here on in. HEY SHITHEADS: I JUST PAID TO SEE YOUR FUCKING MOVIE. PLEASE STOP THREATENING ME WITH A FUCKING PRISON TERM.

    Yes, I'm that angry. Even having a minority government didn't stop this horseshit from passing.

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    1. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by fyoder · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, remember that when you vote next time (which probably won't be long from now, seeing as it's a minority government and all). Contrary to what our American friends think, it's MUCH easier to vote out a government that's doing things you don't like than it is to conduct an armed revolution.

    3. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      That's actually pretty close in theme and spirit (and ridiculousness) to the ad I saw. Take away the laugh track and that's what we're now showing Canadians.

      Thanks for the link!

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    4. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by alexo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, remember that when you vote next time (which probably won't be long from now, seeing as it's a minority government and all).
      And while you're voting, help change our system a little bit for the better.
    5. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Catnapster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...it's MUCH easier to switch a government that's doing things you don't like for a different government that will continue to do things you don't like than it is to conduct an armed revolution.
      Fixed.

      Not that I'm a rabid gun nut stroking my metaphorical Kalashnikov at the thought of revolt, mind you. It's just that the American political system was not designed for the one-party system we basically have now, where the Democrats and Republicans argue about largely inconsequential bullshit to occupy the minds of the voting populace while silently coming to perverse agreements like the DMCA. Our government is out of control, and we have little to no guarantee that it would even recognize the results of an election if it would bring outsiders to a position of sufficient power.

      Makes us a little jaded toward "well why don't you just vote them out?"
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    6. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "HEY SHITHEADS: I JUST PAID TO SEE YOUR FUCKING MOVIE. PLEASE STOP THREATENING ME WITH A FUCKING PRISON TERM"

      I stopped going to movies as much when they started showing commercials. How bout I just watch it at home for a fraction of the price and no commercials?

      And as somebody here pointed out last winter, I would steal a car if I could download one.

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    7. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      watch ukraine to see what revolutions usually do.

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    8. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe you should try being angry at cunts like thepiratebay who go so out of their way to take other peoples work for free, that the industry has had to resort to this. OH NOES! TPB ARE TEH HEROES!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

    9. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Ranting on /. is always good and cathartic, but it doesn't tell the cinema how pissed off you are.

      Next time you get patronised to hell by one of these appallingly insulting adverts, walk out of the cinema and demand a refund because the content they're showing you is offensive to your nature. The next time your DVD tells you you're a stinking criminal financing heroin dealers and condoning child labour, return it to the store and demand a refund.

      Will people hate you, and think you're weird? Sure. Will all of this be a pain in the arse? Of course it will. But no-one ever acheived anything by sitting back and letting themselves be treated like a sack of fucking shit.

      Disclaimer: yes, these adverts annoy me to, which is why I no longer go to the cinema. I'm lucky enough to not have encountered a media player that won't let me skip the shitty intros (I love you Xine :))

      The final straw for me was a pamphlet that came with my DVD of A Scanner Darkly that told me that the people who died in Morecambe Bay in 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Liang_Ren were there, bizarrely enough, due to DVD piracy. I think the idea was that, being a bunch of chinese immigrants, at least *some* of them were bound to be sellign dodgy DVD's on street corners. I'm not quite sure how this spruious assertion had anything to do with anything, but the undertone was of course to associate pirate DVD's with killing people. When I have just spent not inconsiderable amounts of money to have non-pirated DVD's of all my favourite movies delievered to my door. If you want to treat me like a fucking idiotic simpleton that's incapable of understanding cause and effect, fine (although I would say you'd need an IQ slightly greater than that of a slug to understand even a sanitised version of anything by PKD) but don't expect me to just sit there and take it. Fuck you and your profit margins, because I no longer give a shit about your wellbeing. Or maybe I can force movie execs to sit through trailers telling them how much humanity they are going to suck out of us today? "You wouldn't sue a disabled single mother... so why are you suing disabled single mothers?"... actually, I quite like that idea.

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    10. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Even having a minority government didn't stop this horseshit from passing.

      Why would it? Yes, prison time for making a shaky cam recording of a film in a cinema is dumb. But what rights are you losing? How likely is it that the government is going to be voted out because it passed the law? How likely is it that enough members of the government who are senior enough perform the act that's being legislated against that they can get it quashed before it's passed?

      Yes, stupid laws and stupid punishments serve to make a mockery of the law, but what reason would any government have to not pass this one, other than that?

    11. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I would copy a car if I could pick a car of my choice, just push a button and a perfect 100% copy appears in say 5 minutes. Like the Star Trek replicator only bigger :).

      I wouldn't mind even having to pay the cost of raw materials at the usual market rates (as long as I'd know how much it'd cost upfront).

      Of course the trouble with private industry trying to sell a perfect replicator is someone would buy two and it stops there ;).

      But a government or cooperative sponsored one should do ok.

      A private company might design a rare raw material as part of their replicator and then corner the market on it.

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    12. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1
      it's MUCH easier to vote out a government that's doing things you don't like than it is to conduct an armed revolution.

      Yes, but it's much easier to inconsequentially rant about armed revolution than to actually get registered as a voter.

    13. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by jon_anderson_ca · · Score: 1

      Uh... didn't all of the major parties vote in favour of the camcorder law? Weren't the Liberals working on a DMCA lookalike before the Conservatives came into power?

    14. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It'll be interesting if that passes. Not my decision though... I'm in Alberta.

    15. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      First, we're not talking about the United States. We're talking about Canada, where we have a very healthy (some say too healthy) multiparty system.

      Second, you always have the option of running yourself. Even short of that, if you can collect enough votes to your side to overturn a government (which is probably easier to get than a "well ordered militia" of sufficient size to overthrow the government by force) then they will listen.

      Despite the paranoia it's not very likely your government would refuse to leave power.

    16. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but there is a history of vote fraud... and not in '00 or '04...

      Armed rebellion against the government, over vote fraud. Remember the 4 boxes... well #4 got used in 1946 in Athens, Tenn. Google "Battle of Athens".

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    17. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ukraine? Pick your small African state of choice. Or Central American. I think the US is kind of spoiled because they hosted one of the only really successful revolutions in history. Everybody else's seem to end badly, especially when they try multiple times.

    18. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that's because such things aren't an issue. If enough people care to MAKE them an issue that it plays a decent role in deciding who's going to be the government then all the parties (well, some of the small ones stick to their guns) will be falling over themselves to agree with your voting block. It's not as if politicians really have ideologies that they stick to.

    19. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It always happens. Just when you think you've said something insightful somebody comes along and blows you out of the water with once sentence.

    20. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Shh... Everybody knows that Canada consists entirely of Ontario and Quebec. That's why they're called "Central Canada" by the Easterners, even though they're clearly East of the geographic centre of Canada.

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    21. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by khallow · · Score: 1

      I bet the argument was meant to be that DVD smuggling helped keep the human and drug smugglers in business. Ie, it's another channel and incentive for sneaking stuff across the border. A lame argument, but not quite as lame.

    22. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      True, but I'm not quite sure what this had to do with people picking cockles in a notoriously dangerous area (you can't outrun the incoming tide in Morecambe Bay)... but then I gave up trying to understand the media cartels a long time ago. Logic is a closed book to them. Actually, no, to them logic is more like a DRM'd eBook where the authorisation servers have been closed down.

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    23. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by permaculture · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those anti piracy ads are getting really mean.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbX1aMajow

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    24. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody else's seem to end badly,


      England's Glorious Revoution
      The French Revolution

      Much more recently:

      The Irish Uprising
      The Carnation Revoution in Portugal
      The Break in East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary
      The Slovenian Exit


      The participants in each of these revolutions are now largely in charge of these European Union member-states, among whom three (IE, PT, SI) have the hottest economies in Western Europe.

    25. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      England's Glorious Revolution: more of a coup d'etat than a revolution. Swapped one king for another, and the people didn't really get involved. Did get them a bill of rights though. England's civil war might be a better example - topple the king and replace him with a parliamentary system, which lasted a whole four years before it turned into a dictatorship, which itself lasted six years before a king was back.

      The French Revolution: lots of people lost their heads and France ended up fighting wars with EVERYBODY else in Europe. France gained a legislative assembly, which degenerated into chaos in less than a year. War with Austria, another revolution, king gets the boot, France turns into republic. More war, reign of terror (20 to 40 thousand people guillotined), government ignores the constitution in order to stay in power. That's the first ten years. Then Napoleon declares himself emperor (bye bye republic) and all of Europe and most of the rest of the world fights the Napoleonic wars for the next sixteen years. Napoleon is defeated and a king restored, Napoleon overthrows the king, Napoleon defeated again. France is no longer the dominant European power. France is a monarchy again.

      Which Irish uprising? Ireland and Scotland have had lots of rebellions. Scotland never managed to keep their independence. Half of Ireland did, finally. Sort of successful I guess.

      The Carnation Revolution was pretty successful. Swapped a dictatorship for a democracy. It was non-violent though, and more of a coup d'etat. The military basically told the dictator he was no longer dictator. No general public fighting.

      Eastern Soviet Satellites: They were definitely successful, but they're not really popular revolutions. The SU was in the process of collapsing and so it's puppet states had kind of a power vacuum. It's not the same situation as the US Revolution where the governing state was still strong and still interested in governing.

      Slovenia: brilliantly successful, but a conflict between a more or less self governing state with their own military and the other states in a federal system. No general public involvement.

      I probably should have been more specific when I said revolution. There are very few examples of a US style revolution by the people against an established, healthy, ruling government.

  20. No, what it really means is that... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... while it's clear a conflict of interest has occurred here, at least the government has been forced to remove Ms. Neri as the heritage minister, since it's an apparent violation of ethics laws. Contrast this to, say, the US, where such things are the norm, and are practically expected from elected officials.

    IOW, while something clearly egregious has occurred here, I would argue that the removal of the heritage minister is a clear victory for the people. In addition, this may result in greater scrutiny of the current government, and may serve as an interesting piece of ammunition against a government that was, in theory, supposed to be the ethical alternative to the corrupt Liberals.

    1. Re:No, what it really means is that... by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry the Conservatives will try to spin this as the Liberals fault, just like all their other problems and try to maintain their image as an ethical government.

      I can hear it now: "Patricia Neri was in office while the Liberals were in charge and they had 13 years to do something about it..." yada yada yada

    2. Re:No, what it really means is that... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can hear it now: "Patricia Neri was in office while the Liberals were in charge and they had 13 years to do something about it..." yada yada yada

      Wait, is this actually the case? I've been trying to dig around for Ms. Neri's party affiliation, and I can't find anything in particular, though it appears she donated to the Liberal Party in '99, implying she is, in fact, a Liberal. I had just assumed that, given she was in a fairly prominent post in a major ministry, she was a member of the Conservative Party, but if that's not the case, I take back my comments re. the Conservatives. The Conservative Party has a ton of problems, including a PM that apparently doesn't believe in free speech for the party members, but I don't want to lay this one at their feet if Ms. Neri is, in fact, a Liberal Party member.

    3. Re:No, what it really means is that... by MerceanCoconut · · Score: 1

      ... while it's clear a conflict of interest has occurred here, at least the government has been forced to remove Ms. Neri as the heritage minister, since it's an apparent violation of ethics laws. Contrast this to, say, the US, where such things are the norm, and are practically expected from elected officials. Except that Ms. Neri is not an elected official. She was the Director General of Copyright Policy, which means that she actually could have been fired, but instead was reassigned.
  21. Tags by zygotic+mitosis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Canadia? Shouldn't it be Canadiaa? :)

    1. Re:Tags by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      *rolls eyes* my last mod point just expired too - mod parent up Funny +5 hehe

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    2. Re:Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheesh...Ameriguns...

      It's either:
      "Canadian, eh?" or "Canuck, eh?"

      You hoser...

      Sincerely,
      Joe Canuck

      (Have to be polite, ya know...:-)
      Ah, these insensitive clods nowadays...

  22. Well, the good news is that ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    this raises the (ahem!) barrier to entry for other lobbyists who might want to follow in his, ah, footsteps.

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    1. Re:Well, the good news is that ... by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Has anything really changed? Don't we all expect to get fucked by the lobbyists?

  23. Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wrote to the then Minister and complained about the fact that Bill C-59 had been pushed through due to lobbying and against the wishes of Ministry Staff, and the opening line stated "I'm concerned that my government would succumb to the pressures of foreign lobby groups and you've now proven that I was worried with cause.".

    I received a response from Bev Oda, then the Minister of Heritage, that in no way addressed the issue of lobbying that I raised. At no point did she mention my concerns about lobbyists, and clearly attempted to deflect the issue. I think I was mislead and I'm pissed!!

    I know .. why should I expect to get an honest answer from a Conservative government? Because they promised ethics and transparency in government after the Sponsorship Scandal! Liars!

    1. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Emetophobe · · Score: 3, Informative
      I was actually going to raise the issue with Bev Oda in a seperate thread. She's been taking bribes from the broadcasting industry since 2004, maybe earlier... It's amazing how long she has remained in office even though she is clearly receiving contributions from broadcasting corporations.

      From Bev Oda's wikipedia entry:

      2006 fundraising controversy

      In November 2006, Oda planned on holding a fundraising dinner for broadcasting executives, just weeks before a major review of broadcasting rules. The event was cancelled, but a number of donations were still made.

      If you go to the Elections Canada website, you can see all of the corporations and individuals who donated to Bev Oda's Durham riding in 2006 (Unfortunately there's no direct link so you have to use their search feature). Select "Ontario" under Provice/Territory. Then select "Conservative Party of Canada" under Political Party. Now under Electoral District select "Durham". Leave the years 2006 to 2006. Hit the search button and then select Durham "Conservative Association / 2006". With that entry selected, hit the Add button. Finally, hit the lower right search button (not the top one).... (It's a horrible interface to access this public information...)

      Now you should see the following three options:

      By return summary Allows you to search summary information on contributions made to registered associations
      By return details The easiest way to view the complete details of contributions and expenses for registered associations
      By contributor Allows you to search for contributions made to registered associations

      Click on "By return details".

      Here's the list of corporate contributions (from Part 2b - Statement of Contributions Received - Details of Contributions from Corporations)

      1 EMI Music Canada Jan. 3, 2006 500.00
      2 EMI Music Canada Jan. 10, 2006 1,000.00
      3 Gorritane Bros. Ltd. Feb. 24, 2006 300.00
      4 Radio Marketing Bureau Oct. 12, 2006 250.00
      5 Alliance Atlantis Oct. 25, 2006 500.00
      6 Insight Productions Co. Ltd. Nov. 2, 2006 500.00

      5 of those 6 corporate donations are from media corporations. It might even be 6 out of 6 but I couldn't find any details on "Gorritane Bros. Ltd.".

      Also, much more disturbing is the list of individual contributions (Part 2a - Statement of Contributions Received - Details of Contributions from Individuals). The following are just the individuals who I could identify as working for some media corporation or group:

      23 Gail Asper Oct. 31, 2006 250.00
      5 Leonard Asper Jan. 26, 2006 2,500.00
      Leonard Asper is the President and CEO of CanWest, a major Canadian media company (they own Global TV). It appears he also got his wife to donate to Bev's riding.

      13 Andre Bureau Oct. 16, 2006 500.00
      Andrea Bureau is the former chairman of the CTRC and is now the President and CEO of Astral Communications Inc (now known as Astral Media). Astral owns several Canadian radio and television stations.

      14 Lisa De Wilde Oct. 16, 2006 250.00
      Lisa De Wilde was a former president and CEO of Astral Communications (now known as Astral Media). She is now the CEO of TVOntario. Interesting how she and Andre Bureau both made donations on the same day. Lisa was the former President and CEO of Astral while Andre is the current president and CEO, and they both managed to make donations to Bev Oda on the same day?

      16 Robin Jackson Oct. 20, 2006 250.00
      Robin Jackson is the Executive Director of the CIFVF (The Canadian Independent Film and Video Fund). Here's a quote 'The Canadian Independent Film & Video Fund (CIFVF) is a dynamic private sector funding body which supports non-theatrical film, v

    2. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are those figures right? Does it only cost $250 or $500 per donation to bribe a Canadian politician? Wow, I could afford to buy a couple of laws in Canada at that rate! I should have thought it would cost a luxury yacht, or some bars of gold in a Swiss bank account, at least. The Canadians should look at a properly-run country like Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia to see how things should be done.

    3. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there any legitimate reason to let companies make political donations? Companies do not represent their shareholders politically - if those shareholders want to contribute they can make this individually.

    4. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing the last government got right was campaign contributions. No corporation can donate more than $500 to an individual campaign, no person can donate more than $2500. Period. There are severe consequences otherwise.

      In exchange, Parties are paid $1.50 per vote they receive, per year. It at least resembles a system intent on reducing corporate influence. What it ends up doing is giving corporate CEO positions to former members of Parlament, like the former Canadian Ambassador to the US and Premier of Ontairo, being on the board of the Carslyle Group.

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    5. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Does it only cost $250 or $500 per donation to bribe...
      The Canadians should look at a properly-run country like Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia to see how things should be done.


      You forgot America.

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    6. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that wasn't the last government.

      The Martin government did nothing.

      The present Harper government and the last Chretien government were the two that have passed legislation on this issue.

    7. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Like someone else mentioned, there's a legal limit for contributions in Canada, and it's quite small to avoid large payoffs like we see down in the States. It's actually even more strict now than it was a year or two ago. Take a look at the new rules on the Elections Canada website.

      Here are some of the rules that just came into effect on January 1, 2007:

      # You can make a political donation to registered political entities only if you are a citizen or permanent resident of Canada. (emphasis mine)

      This rule is mostly meant to prevent American lobbyists from paying off Canadian politicians.

      # You can give no more than $1,100* in each calendar year to each registered political party.
      # You can give no more than $1,100* in total in any calendar year to the various entities of each registered political party (registered associations, nomination contestants and candidates).
      # You can give no more than $1,100* to each independent candidate for a particular election.
      # You can give no more than $1,100* in total to the leadership contestants in a particular leadership contest.

      Basically, $1,100 is the limit that you can give to each political party.

      # You can no longer make a cash contribution of more than $20 to registered political entities.

      You can't pay in cash if the amount is over $20, it has to be a check, etc.. (this is most likely because cash donations are harder to trace)

      # Corporations, trade unions, associations and groups can no longer make political contributions. However, your employer can give you a paid leave of absence during an election period to allow you to be a nomination contestant or a candidate without that leave being considered a contribution. (emphasis mine)

      This is new. In the past, corporations could make donations.

      # If you are running as a nomination contestant or a candidate, you can make an additional contribution up to $1,000 in total per election from your own funds to your own campaign. You can divide this amount between your nomination and candidate campaigns as you wish.
      # If you are running as a party leadership contestant, you can make an additional contribution of up to $1,000 in total per contest from your own funds to your own campaign.

      You can only spend $1000 out of your own pocket if you are running. I think this is meant to prevent those rich politicians from having a financial advantage over the average Joe who is also running for office.

      # All contributions over $20 must be receipted and reported.

      This has to do with that "You can no longer make a cash contribution of more than $20 to registered political entities" rule I mentioned above.

      # Candidates cannot accept any gift that might influence them as eventual members of Parliament.

      That's a no brainer.

      # Candidates may accept a gift from a relative or as a normal expression of courtesy or protocol.

      That seems fair enough. There is also a rule where if you receive a gift that is worth over $500, you must report it, the circumstance where you received the gift, etc..

      I'm really liking most of these new rules. Anything to cut down on lobbying in Canada is good in my books. You shouldn't need large amounts of money to run for office. In the States, I hear about people running for President and they spend over $60 million on their campaign. That's just nuts in my opinion. You shouldn't need that much money to get elected. It should be on merit alone, not how much media coverage you can buy.

    8. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Bryan+K.+Feir · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was Chretien that pushed that through, for the most part. Partly, I suspect, a matter of 'I can't run again anyway, and I hate the guy who's replacing me, so I have no problems with making it difficult for anybody else after me to do what I did.'

    9. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Emetophobe · · Score: 1
      Take a look at the new rules that went into effect on January 1st 2007, on the Elections Canada website.

      Corporations, trade unions, associations and groups can no longer make political contributions. However, your employer can give you a paid leave of absence during an election period to allow you to be a nomination contestant or a candidate without that leave being considered a contribution.

      When I listed those corporate contributions from the 2006 Durham riding, corporate contributions were still allowed. It looks like the Canadian government has finally cracked down on corporate donations. Also, if you look at other rules on that list, the Canadian government is really cracking down on all forms of campaign contributions and/or lobbying efforts.

      There used to be a $2500 individual contribution limit, it's now $1100. Also, you have to be a Canadian Citizen or permanent resident in order to make a donation. This should cut down on all those American lobbyists bribing Canadian politicians. Of course there are probably still loopholes like those lobbyists can obtain a Canadian citizenship or they can just give that money to a Canadian citizen who will donate it on their behalf, etc..

      Still, these new rules are a good thing in my opinion.

  24. It's Hollywood! by jcr · · Score: 1

    Send in the man-whore to get something through a legislature? Hell, they do that five times before breakfast.

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  25. Yep by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      Hilarious...

      The point is that most other countries (e.g. like the UK) have a /far/ lower gun crime rate than the US.

      I'm not sure by what logic you can think that the fact that gun crime still exists in those other countries buttresses your position.

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    2. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      BTW, bear in mind that in the UK and Ireland, the general legal definition of "firearms" includes things like pellet-guns and air-rifles. A high-profile "gun crime" a few years ago involved the fatal shooting of a toddler with an air-rifle in Scotland.

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    3. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And from the article:

      "In total, 3,995 people were shot, of whom about half (2,187) had minor wounds caused by air guns."

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    4. Re:Yep by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      You posted a link which says, across the entire UK, 81 people were killed with guns in a year.

      That many people are killed by guns in any major American city in a year.

      I'm not sure what you think your point is, but you're not making it very well.

      Oh, and your article mentioned 4000 people shot. Half of them were shot with ... air guns. I guess I'm pretty lucky to survive that bb shooting I endured as a kid, eh?

    5. Re:Yep by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      The point is that most other countries (e.g. like the UK) have a /far/ lower gun crime rate than the US.

      Our point is that crime has to be looked at as a whole. We look at crime, not gun crime.

      IE you look at murders commited by a gun. By that standard, Rwanda looked good.
      I look at the murder rate, to include all means. By that standard, the USA looks pretty bad against most european countries, but we've looked bad throughout our history when good stats were kept.

      We do look a lot better in plain violent crime.

      Still, a big part of our problem is extremely localized not only in 'big cities', but in localized sections of them. And cities are traditionally bastions of gun control in the USA. You look at Washington DC, murder capital of the USA - guns have effectivly been banned since the 70s. You look at the timeline, and crime was dropping(though still high) up until they banned guns - then it skyrocketed. Chicago - same deal.

      History has shown in the USA that banning guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases the crime rate. Allowing them reduces the rate.

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    6. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      We do look a lot better in plain violent crime.

      Got any figures on that, out of curiosity? (The 4k figure in that article includes over 2k 'minor' injuries from air rifles / pellet guns. Hardly violent crime - though dangerous and irresponsible - but a shot from a pellet gun usually only stings a bit).

      The UK btw has gotten pretty weird about crime statistics, cause of changes in how they reward police officers (bonuses depend on the number of crime 'detections', etc..) over the course of the labour government.

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    7. Re:Yep by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Got any figures on that, out of curiosity?

      Sure, the UK started exceeding US violent crime rates around 1991.

      The 4k figure in that article includes over 2k 'minor' injuries from air rifles / pellet guns. Hardly violent crime - though dangerous and irresponsible - but a shot from a pellet gun usually only stings a bit.

      While pellet guns are indeed generally near the bottom of the force chart - fatalities can and have occured from being shot with them. I have been shot with a spring type pellet handgun as a teenager - about the slowest you'll find. It left a good bruise, more than 'stings a bit'(the friend who shot me suffered worse). While at the time it was later laughed off - today I probably could have pressed assault charges and won.

      Today I have a air powered pellet rifle - fully capable of penetrating the skin, even through clothing, as well as consistently killing small animals - even cats(haven't killed anything with it, but I know it can be done). It put a quarter inch dent into a heavy aluminum pizza pan through a cardboard box and styrofoam- took a hammer to flatten back out.

      Still, remember what I said - I care about crime, divided roughly into classes by injury caused, not how the crime was commited - a murder commited with a knife is just as bad as one commited with a gun. A robbery commited with a gun is as bad as one commited with a gun, so on and so forth.

      Consider the permanent, crippling harm that can be done with your average hammer - would it really be any worse than being shot?

      The UK btw has gotten pretty weird about crime statistics, cause of changes in how they reward police officers (bonuses depend on the number of crime 'detections', etc..) over the course of the labour government.

      I've also heard that they're a bit wierd how they count murder - if the murderer plea-bargains it down to a manslaughter charge(or less), it's removed from the murder rate. I've heard this several times.

      Please note that the rates in quoted in the first link I gave include victimization surveys for stuff other than murder(a bit difficult to survey murder victims).

      The rest of Europe can be a bit different - in some areas silencers are considered good manners while hunting, here in the USA they're illegal for hunting, just plain illegal in others, and require a $200 tax stamp where they are legal. Gun laws are different - as is the culture.

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    8. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      Hmm. If we delve into the gun-lobby links you gave, the worldnetdaily one is spinning this data from Universiteit Leiden. The data doesn't seem that clear-cut, indeed it seems rates are the same. I'm not sure how to interpret this data though (there's not much of it). I'm not sure either one of us should draw any strong conclusions from it.

      Air-rifles: Yes, I did note in another comment they can be lethal. As the article notes though, over half the recorded "firearms" incidents were of 'minor wounds' (i.e. kids/teens shooting each other with pellet guns quite likely).

      The one clear-statistic available though is that the USA has the highest rates (a few times over) of gun-shot fatalaties in the developed world...

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    9. Re:Yep by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Hmm. If we delve into the gun-lobby links you gave

      I hardly think that the US Department of Justice is a gun lobby, nor is the Worldnetdaily(though it does appear to be a conservative news site). Theksa.com, I'll give you. Didn't look closely enough at the marquee. I mostly grabbed the first likely looking sites in google.

      The data doesn't seem that clear-cut, indeed it seems rates are the same. I'm not sure how to interpret this data though (there's not much of it). I'm not sure either one of us should draw any strong conclusions from it.

      It's simple enough:
      In 1995, 30.9% of those surveyed in England reported being the victim of a crime in the last year. In the USA, the figure was 24.2%, which would make the papers as 'Crime is 25% lower in the United States!'. It probably isn't a straight percentage actually, people who were victims of multiple crimes probably were counted in the survey. IE if 1% of the population reported being assaulted twice, the results would end up being 2,0.

      Overall, you were much less likely to have property stolen or damaged in the USA, a little less likely to be assaulted, more likely to suffer 'sexual offense'. Digging deeper into the methodology - sexual offense includes 'offencive behaviour', which seems a little vague to me - a wolf whistle could count for a particularly sensitive individual.

      Air-rifles: Yes, I did note in another comment they can be lethal. As the article notes though, over half the recorded "firearms" incidents were of 'minor wounds' (i.e. kids/teens shooting each other with pellet guns quite likely).

      I might be a 2nd amendment advocate - but at the same time I consider myself tough on crime and very much for gun safety. I don't care whether it's a .50BMG sniper rifle or a BB gun, it should be treated with respect and handled in a safe manner. If you really want to shoot each other, that's what paintball markers, combined with the proper safety equipment, are for.

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  26. What do you expect from government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    why should I expect to get an honest answer from a Conservative government?

    You shouldn't.

    Neither should you expect one from a Liberal government.

    Deceit just the same, but different reasons.

  27. MAD - Mutual Assured DMCA by Nymz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, in Canada it is illegal for a federal politician to accept corporate or union donations.
    Hmm, are you confusing 'lobbying deals' to mean 'buying off'? An example of a deal, that the MPAA might lobby for, would be an cross-country agreement declaring mutual respect for the others copyrights. By respect, that means pursing prosecution of pirates and infringers.
  28. MPPA thuggery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! She is are doing to the Canadian Public what her Lover has been doing to her.

    Criminals. I just suffered a DDOS from these people. I don't even BitTorrent movies, but they're sloppy and don't give a damn who the collateral damage is.

    1. Re:MPPA thuggery by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      I've been watching a DDOS on our public IP block for about 2 weeks now. I can't say for sure that it's these guys but it's certainly causing me grief. Not the least of which is that all the connection attempts to the firewall are logged. It's eating disk space and CPU time as well as network bandwidth.

      Thousands and thousands of hits a minute... and the real interesting log events are just being drowned out :(

      Somebody here was downloading videos about a bunch of guys in a prison before I got out the big stick and ended that. Didn't stop the DDOS happening though.

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    2. Re:MPPA thuggery by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      She is are doing to the Canadian Public what her Lover has been doing to her.
      Taking them out for romantic dinners? Buying them diamond jewelry? Giving them copious amounts of satisfying orgasms?

      I'm willing to bet that this lobbyist is a former sex worker of some kind, hired specifically for this purpose. Not that it made any difference to the likes of Neri. Politicians and bureaucrats have been embroiled in corruption and sex scandals since time began.

      On the bright side, it's nice to see that women now have the same opportunities as men, when it comes to lurid political affairs at least. How egalitarian of the **AA to support this.
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  29. Did I miss something? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    It's just the Canadians aren't made criminals by doing the same activities as everyone else in the world.

    Wasn't Canada the country which places a tax on blank optical media, based on the assumption that all of it (or some, at least) will be used for piracy? Thus, you may not be a criminal, but you're already being punished because something you're buying could be used to commit a crime??

    If so, fuck them. They're as bad as the rest. Worse, even.

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    1. Re:Did I miss something? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Yeah. In return, you can pretty much copy anything you like.

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    2. Re:Did I miss something? by dargon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, a tax that some want to also place onto MP3 players with storage > 30GB. Of course, the CRIA just woke up and realized that this little tax effectively legalizes all music downloads in Canada, so now they're fighting it :)

    3. Re:Did I miss something? by Bou · · Score: 1

      This actually is the current situation in The Netherlands: We do pay an extra tax for blank media (not on MP3 players yet), but we've also got the right to make a copy of any audio/video file (not software) for "home usage" without actually owning the original. This includes items borrowed from friends/libraries and files downloaded from the net. It is illegal however to upload or otherwise publish these materials.

    4. Re:Did I miss something? by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      My understanding was that the media levy was to pay copyright holders for the "fair use" activity of making backups and format-shifting of your own original music and data CD's etc.

      It wasn't supposed to extend to copying media that you have not paid for the right to hold a copy of.

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  30. Level of sacrifice? by dgr73 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Before we actually crucify the MPAA, let's look at the big picture. Does anyone have it? I mean a picture of this Neri woman, because if she's hot it's just a simple case of bribery by "hide the salami", or as the MPAA says "An innocent relationship, which in no way affected Ms. Neri's opinion".

    But what if she's a complete dog? I think then you could actually start charging people with bribery and MPAA with pimping. Come to think of it, MPAAs methods aren't too far from those of a street pimp, though MPAA actually prefers the term "Carborne entrepeneur":

    *SMACK* *SLAP* "I don't give a s**t if you already bought da movie, gimme da money, b**ch!" *SLAP* *SMACK* *THUD*

  31. Consider Jannelly Fortou in the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She is the wife of the head of Vivendi Universal for god's sake, and the EU let her determine intellectual monopoly policy! The EU is nigh-on irredeemably corrupt.

  32. sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    The Canadian government's top copyright policy maker has been moved aside after revelations that she was in a personal relationship with Hollywood's top Canadian lobbyist.


    In Canada, 'fuck the RIAA' has different meaning?

    1. Re:sooo by ultranova · · Score: 1

      In Canada, 'fuck the RIAA' has different meaning?

      Let's hope that Rule #34 won't hold this time...

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  33. 2nd amendment by proton · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights. All across the world people have overthrown governments, in spite of not having the right to bear arms.
    1. Re:2nd amendment by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The most successful revolutions are the ones where the army or a large section of the army takes part in the revolution. This is the only way a violent* revolution will be successful in any western country, which is also why the US isn't ruled by crazy secessionist nut cases (this isn't a sarcastic GWB reference either).

      *Remember that there is also Gandhi, who advocated non violent resistance and was a major reason the British left India. Non violent and to a bloodless revolutions are often successful.

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    2. Re:2nd amendment by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      On the flip side...

      Having guns can allow you to flee as well as fight.

  34. Michael Liberal Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yawn

  35. In Russia, no wait... by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    In Canada people screw DMCA!

  36. this just in... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    water is wet & politicians are corrupt

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  37. chastity belt by cdn-programmer · · Score: 1

    I think this brings new meaning to ancient ideas.

  38. Woo hoo! by penguinstorm · · Score: 1

    Finally, a decent sex scandal in Canadian Politics! We haven't had one since Maggaret Trudeau was hanging out with rock stars.

    Although there was that time a burglar was confronted by Aline Chretien at 24 Sussex...

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  39. Looks like another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    person that was screwed by the MPAA

  40. Typical Hollywood Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't get the bill passed, have sex with the top people and blackmail them to pass it. We see this in the Bush administration every day. If they don't join you, set them up with a sex, then blackmail them to join you. After they get done, throw you away like a condom. Nice, Sweet, Fun and well just plain good ole American. The American way; The American Dream; Sex your way to the top!

  41. Street Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what the going rate is for an former politician hooker? Do you think is would be more that $10.00 U.S. dollars.